Xbox 360 v2... time to junk the 1st version!

[Rhodes]

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5591

120gig hd, hdmi and more than likely hd-drive built in.

[Chacranajxy]

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5591

120gig hd, hdmi and more than likely hd-drive built in.



I'll use the warranty on my current 360 at Best Buy and swap it for this one since... it's clearly superior. Kind of a bastard tactic to release a system that's leaps and bounds better than what everyone already bought though.

[Swordfish_II]

Good thing I waited.

[Rhodes]

well now that i think about it... i think it'll come in 2 flavors. 1 with the HD-Drive built in and 1 without. so folks that bought the hd-drive add-on can use it with the plain version.

this release was a given since the original never had hdmi, giving it 120 gigs of hd space would make it "better" than the ps3. thou you can mod the ps3 up to 200 gigs yourself.

pricing thou will be interesting, will it be the same or more... thinking it'll be more for the version with a hd-drive built in.

[indigo0086]

Rumor until proven by Microsoft. Any hobbyist can accomplish that. Not that I wouldn't want one, but it's still a rumor.

[Chris Beveridge]

Yeah, just lovely. FU MS. Truly. So this comes out, probably late summer, almost two years after the previous one.

When they get around to their third console, probably in 2008 just after they squeeze a few more people this way, they'll release it in a few variations so they can price it all over the map with different features and configurations.

It doesn't diminish my current 360 at all, but it pisses me off to no end. The point of consoles were that if you buy one, you're set for that generation of it. You don't put out new major revisions like this. And it IS a major revision; they can't just add HDMI functionality to the existing model because the internals cannot support it.

[Invisible Crane]

I guess this means people are going to be hating on MS just as bad as Sony now

[indigo0086]

It's a rumor people, show me where this was announced and we'll talk.

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How long do you think until sony starts releasing consoles with internal scalers, of course without telling anyone.

[Gatts]

I guess this means people are going to be hating on MS just as bad as Sony now

Where have you been for the past 10+ years? People have always hated on Microsoft.

[lostnomad84]

If true, I can say that i'm disappointed in Microsoft doing this to their first adapters to the 360. However, it is still under the rumor state. But we all know rumors of the HDMI cable for the 360 has been around for a while, so it wouldn't surprise me if this does come true.

[indigo0086]

I guess this means people are going to be hating on MS just as bad as Sony now

Where have you been for the past 10+ years? People have always hated on Microsoft.

Funny how the tables turned on Microsoft. They started out fighting against the proprietaries of larger companies and were ridiculed in the business world, praised by everyone else. Now people just don't like them. Many of them use windows. Gluttons for punishment the lot of them.

[Rhodes]

sony already has plans for an a/v centric version of the ps3... 2 hdmi ports and bigger hd... price point 1.5k to 2k :)

rumor or not... fact is they can NOT add a hdmi port to the existing 360. only way is for a new version to come out. ms is backing the hd-dvd... their console has hd-dvd support but lets face it... its an add on and it cant play movies at 1080p.

ms will do this sooner or later and most folks think its late this summer.

[indigo0086]

It actually does play 1080p through component.

[Chacranajxy]

I guess this means people are going to be hating on MS just as bad as Sony now

Where have you been for the past 10+ years? People have always hated on Microsoft.

Well... mostly for Windows. MS has been infallible for the last two or three years as far as consoles go. I, myself, am pissed, mainly because I want a system that doesn't sound like a goddamn airplane.

[Rhodes]

i dunno. i always consider myself a ms fan. hate apple.

however i dont really like how ms does things... good thing about ms was that it had a wide support for various hardware. thats why windows won and o/s2 died. ibm's os was better than windows but it was imb trying to drive their hardware sales that limited its appeal while windows supported everything under the sun.

talk that vista wont support blue-ray out of the box really turns me off to ms.

i dont think folks so much as turn on ms is that what ms does doesnt endear them to the folks who use their products. they are no longer the underdog and small company they once were. they are the leaders and their actions doesnt seem to be "fair" to the little guy.

however hdmi support should of been on the 360 once they decided to use a hd-drive to compete with the blue ray on the ps3. even if they couldnt bundle the drive together cause of time and cost... they should of added the hdmi port so in the future folks wont get burned like how they will now once this goes live.

[Rhodes]

ummm yeah with their latest firmware update... however i dont think there are ANY xbox 360 games that are in 1080p are there? so till there is a game that is in 1080p that sort of doesnt really matter.

in order to view a movie in 1080p you need to use hdmi. so getting the hd addon will only let you view up to 1080i thru component?

this is all based on what i have read, if I am wrong I'm sorry.

[Chris Beveridge]

That's at least a firmware upgrade. Hardly the same thing.

[CrazyAsano]

ummm yeah with their latest firmware update... however i dont think there are ANY xbox 360 games that are in 1080p are there? so till there is a game that is in 1080p that sort of doesnt really matter.

in order to view a movie in 1080p you need to use hdmi. so getting the hd addon will only let you view up to 1080i thru component?

this is all based on what i have read, if I am wrong I'm sorry.
I heard somewhere on this forum that component has the necessary bandwidth for 1080p, but companies aren't supporting it because they want to push for HDMI being the standard. Or something.

[indigo0086]

That's at least a firmware upgrade. Hardly the same thing.

That's at least one thing it's competition couldn't do if it tried.

[beatmania]

Yeah, just lovely. FU MS. Truly. So this comes out, probably late summer, almost two years after the previous one.

When they get around to their third console, probably in 2008 just after they squeeze a few more people this way, they'll release it in a few variations so they can price it all over the map with different features and configurations.

It doesn't diminish my current 360 at all, but it pisses me off to no end. The point of consoles were that if you buy one, you're set for that generation of it. You don't put out new major revisions like this. And it IS a major revision; they can't just add HDMI functionality to the existing model because the internals cannot support it.

Consoles go through revisions all the time.
PS2 probably have like 15 or so revisions,Sony took out and added ports like mad. And the earliest PS2 could only play DVD with software on a memory card. But as long as you can play the games, what's the problem?

[indigo0086]

Consoles go through revisions all the time.
PS2 probably have like 15 or so revisions,Sony took out and added ports like mad. And the earliest PS2 could only play DVD with software on a memory card. But as long as you can play the games, what's the problem?


Not to mention that MS and other companies constantly shop for smaller parts that are more cost and heat/energy effective. Would you (chris) hold it against a company because they released a new console that saved a few bucks on your power bill per month and ran quieter/cooler than yours?

[lostnomad84]

I guess this means people are going to be hating on MS just as bad as Sony now

Where have you been for the past 10+ years? People have always hated on Microsoft.

Well... mostly for Windows. MS has been infallible for the last two or three years as far as consoles go. I, myself, am pissed, mainly because I want a system that doesn't sound like a goddamn airplane.

Blame the DVD drive for that one. While the fans are loud and I bet the new processor they are working on will help deal with that problem, until Microsoft makes the DVD drive quieter, the 360 will still sound like an airplane.

[Chacranajxy]

I guess this means people are going to be hating on MS just as bad as Sony now

Where have you been for the past 10+ years? People have always hated on Microsoft.

Well... mostly for Windows. MS has been infallible for the last two or three years as far as consoles go. I, myself, am pissed, mainly because I want a system that doesn't sound like a goddamn airplane.

Blame the DVD drive for that one. While the fans are loud and I bet the new processor they are working on will help deal with that problem, until Microsoft makes the DVD drive quieter, the 360 will still sound like an airplane.

The fans are the most annoying since, while I can't hear the DVD drive while playing a game, I can hear the fans going fucking nuts all the time.

[indigo0086]

The fans are the most annoying since, while I can't hear the DVD drive while playing a game, I can hear the fans going fucking nuts all the time.



I've grown accustom to the sound of white noise, I can hardly go to sleep without my computer running. But I do notice it, and while it's not annoying to me I can definitely see how people don't like it. If it's on a really hollow surface then it's not so much the fans but the dvd drive humming.

[beatmania]

[quote=lostnomad84

The fans are the most annoying since, while I can't hear the DVD drive while playing a game, I can hear the fans going fucking nuts all the time.


That's where the die shrink will really help.

[FigNewton]

It doesn't diminish my current 360 at all, but it pisses me off to no end. The point of consoles were that if you buy one, you're set for that generation of it. You don't put out new major revisions like this. And it IS a major revision; they can't just add HDMI functionality to the existing model because the internals cannot support it.

Wait wait... why are you so angry again? You admit it doesn't diminish your current 360 at all, but it pisses you off because once you buy a console you are set for that generation?

I think you were right the first time: this doesn't diminish your current 360 at all. You are still set for this generation even if you choose not to upgrade to a new one. It's not like there are going to be games released specificly for 360 v2. Yeah, it's a pretty major revision to the hardware, but not one that shuts out the previous version in any way.

The key here, is that for owners of the original 360, NOTHING CHANGES. I get the feeling that some people would be a lot happier if MS never releases the v2... and yet the release does not affect them in the least.

[DiGiKerot]

The fans are the most annoying since, while I can't hear the DVD drive while playing a game, I can hear the fans going fucking nuts all the time.


Thats wierd. When I'm playing demos and stuff off the HD the console is pretty silent - its the second I boot a game of DVD that the noise level starts to go insane.

[Azumangaman]

If this is confirmed in the next 40 days or so, I'm bringing back my 360 and putting towards this one.

Although I think it's kind of rediculous...
120 GIGS? BS!
That's inhuman.

[indigo0086]

It's the dvd more than the fan. I have mine on a dresser that has an almost hollow first shelf, so it echoes inside it. I need to fill that thing up with a blanket or something

[Chacranajxy]

The key here, is that for owners of the original 360, NOTHING CHANGES. I get the feeling that some people would be a lot happier if MS never releases the v2... and yet the release does not affect them in the least.

Nothing changes, and that's the problem. What we're left with is a device that MS' basically had use pay to beta test. It's glitchy, it's prone to malfunctioning far more than it should be, and it's obnoxiously loud. MS is essentially releasing what the 360 should've been the first time around.

[Magus427]

Consoles go through revisions all the time.
PS2 probably have like 15 or so revisions,Sony took out and added ports like mad. And the earliest PS2 could only play DVD with software on a memory card. But as long as you can play the games, what's the problem?

Actually, it's funny you mention this. Before Playstation came along, I don't remember having "versions" of consoles. Nintendo may have streamlined manufacturing with the Gamecube and their previous consoles, but I don't recall them ever having revisions to the point it changed the console's capabilities, let alone Sega, Neo-Geo, or TGFX16. Granted Nintendo is kind of doing that with the Wii (i.e. the version they plan to release that plays DVDs), but I hardly call that a make or break to buy the sytem now or later like some of these other changes MS and Sony plan to make to their systems.

-Magus

[beatmania]

If this is confirmed in the next 40 days or so, I'm bringing back my 360 and putting towards this one.

Although I think it's kind of rediculous...
120 GIGS? BS!
That's inhuman.

That's still too small. Need bigger HD!

[indigo0086]

It's glitchy, it's prone to malfunctioning far more than it should be...

proof fairy, where are

[lostnomad84]

Consoles go through revisions all the time.
PS2 probably have like 15 or so revisions,Sony took out and added ports like mad. And the earliest PS2 could only play DVD with software on a memory card. But as long as you can play the games, what's the problem?

Actually, it's funny you mention this. Before Playstation came along, I don't remember having "versions" of consoles. Nintendo may have streamlined manufacturing with the Gamecube and their previous consoles, but I don't recall them ever having revisions to the point it changed the console's capabilities, let alone Sega, Neo-Geo, or TGFX16. Granted Nintendo is kind of doing that with the Wii (i.e. the version they plan to release that plays DVDs), but I hardly call that a make or break to buy the sytem now or later like some of these other changes MS and Sony plan to make to their systems.

-Magus

Nintendo did revise the Gamecube with the removal of the component cable port. Also past Nintendo revisions on home consoles were just to reduce the size of the machine. When it came to portables, I always felt gypt with buying an original DS than shortly after Nintendo came out with the DS Lite. While the console does not change any aspects to play the game at all, the experience improved with the brighter screen, improved D-Pad, and the unit was lighter and easier to carry around to play with.

Basically, traditionally once a company releases a console, they tend to stick to the same console design to play the same games. However, it doesn't mean they will try to improve on the design in some manner other than trying to reduce the costs of manufacturing when it comes to the parts.

[FigNewton]

Nothing changes, and that's the problem. What we're left with is a device that MS' basically had use pay to beta test. It's glitchy, it's prone to malfunctioning far more than it should be, and it's obnoxiously loud. MS is essentially releasing what the 360 should've been the first time around.

My point is that the problems you have exist independent of the release of v2. These are problems that were identified early on in the lifespan of the machine, early enough for even release day purchasers to get a refund if they had a problem with it.

There is no difference in the outcome for owners of the original 360 whether they release it or not. So just chill about it already.

[FigNewton]

It's glitchy, it's prone to malfunctioning far more than it should be...

proof fairy, where are

Indigo, could you fix this? The quotes are misattributed. I didn't say that.

[indigo0086]

kay.

[Kurou]

Nintendo's worse with "make or break" decisions than Sony and MS combined. Particularly because they've got a nasty habit of "forgetting" something, then coming out with an entirely new version a year later.

There's a good reason I didn't even consider buying the DS when it came out.

[Mazinkaizer]

Hummm, i wonder if it will still have the stupid region lock ? IMO region-lock these days is more like shooting yourself in the leg and a big F** You to the buyers.

[indigo0086]

Nintendo's worse with "make or break" decisions than Sony and MS combined. Particularly because they've got a nasty habit of "forgetting" something, then coming out with an entirely new version a year later.

There's a good reason I didn't even consider buying the DS when it came out.

Nintendo doesn't forget. They know what's best for we gamers, even before we do.

[Gatts]

If this is confirmed in the next 40 days or so, I'm bringing back my 360 and putting towards this one.

Although I think it's kind of rediculous...
120 GIGS? BS!
That's inhuman.

If all you want is the 120, then you will more than likely be able to buy that separately. Hopefully for a reasonable price since $90 for the 20GB is crazy. $90 for the 120GB would be about right.

[Gatts]

Nintendo's worse with "make or break" decisions than Sony and MS combined. Particularly because they've got a nasty habit of "forgetting" something, then coming out with an entirely new version a year later.

There's a good reason I didn't even consider buying the DS when it came out.

Nintendo doesn't forget. They know what's best for we gamers, even before we do.


Yup, because they didn't forget the headphone jack on the GBA SP and they didn't forget. Selling it as an extra was good for the gamer. :P

GBA
GBA SP
GBA Micro

[kaiyouske]

I heard somewhere on this forum that component has the necessary bandwidth for 1080p, but companies aren't supporting it because they want to push for HDMI being the standard. Or something.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I read everyone is pushing for HDMI since is has the DRM(Digital Rights Management) stuff on that and not on component. That is the main reason why no one wants to go super hyper turbo ultra HD on component.

[fujishig]

You can view an HD-DVD at 1080p through the Xbox 360 VGA connector currently. The main draw with HDMI will be outputting HD audio, but even then you'd need a reciever capable of it. The current 360 doesn't even do DTS (wonder if that will change)...

It is also my understanding that the 360 is capable of outputting 1080p through component, but that this is currently disabled for HD-DVDs... there is a copy protection flag that is supposed to be set on the HD-DVD itself to prevent 1080p on component, but I don't think the current HD-DVD movies have that flag set. In addition, a lot of current 1080p sets don't allow 1080p through their component inputs anyway.

[Azumangaman]

If this is confirmed in the next 40 days or so, I'm bringing back my 360 and putting towards this one.

Although I think it's kind of rediculous...
120 GIGS? BS!
That's inhuman.

If all you want is the 120, then you will more than likely be able to buy that separately. Hopefully for a reasonable price since $90 for the 20GB is crazy. $90 for the 120GB would be about right.


Really? I had no idea. I just figured that 120 GIGS is A LOT for video games, and maybe CDs.

[kaiyouske]

Really? I had no idea. I just figured that 120 GIGS is A LOT for video games, and maybe CDs.

Yup. I got my 320GB PC HDD for $90.

[indigo0086]

Really? I had no idea. I just figured that 120 GIGS is A LOT for video games, and maybe CDs.

The idea is that people want the larger hard drive since the video marketplace is up. I keep all my music on my hard-drive or mp3 player to keep it networked, that shaves about 5 gigs off my hd, most of which won't be touched lest by trailers and demos.

[ADC]

Really? I had no idea. I just figured that 120 GIGS is A LOT for video games, and maybe CDs.
Yup. I got my 320GB PC HDD for $90.
Be advised that the Xbox 360's hard drive is a 2.5-inch mechanism, which is comparitively more expensive. Having said that, a 120-GB notebook drive currently costs about $100 (prices vary), about like Gatts said.

[Johnny]

Confirmation? (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/xbox-360/clip-xbox-360-hdmi-in-action-226584.php)

[Gatts]

I like how that guy does a video. Following the connections to the TV and the controller, not once, but four times as well as button manipulations. :D

[kaiyouske]

Be advised that the Xbox 360's hard drive is a 2.5-inch mechanism, which is comparitively more expensive. Having said that, a 120-GB notebook drive currently costs about $100 (prices vary), about like Gatts said.

Yeah, I realize that. I never understood why the notebook HDDs were more expensive other than that it's smaller than its 3.5" cousin. Not only are they more expensive, they are usually slower too. If that's the case, why not come out with 3.5" HDD attachments? The PS2 had it, although they were over priced as well.

[ADC]

Yeah, I realize that. I never understood why the notebook HDDs were more expensive other than that it's smaller than its 3.5" cousin. Not only are they more expensive, they are usually slower too. If that's the case, why not come out with 3.5" HDD attachments? The PS2 had it, although they were over priced as well.
Smaller; generally quieter (in my experience, anyway); lower-power for better battery life; and they're getting faster, too (I've seen 7200 RPM at up to 120 GB; 5400 at up to 160; and the old standby 4200 for the 200s). I think they're also generally sturdier against physical jarring, owing to the uncertain nature of laptop life compared to desktop residence. So there you go. As for why they don't have desktop drive attachments for the Xbox 360 or PS3, I'd guess it's more a matter of form factor than anything. Kind of silly, especially considering the size of the Generation 7 consoles absent the Wii.

[ape2020]

Wow and the Linux Penguin sitting there as well. Personally I believe the up date to the x360 is coming but the video is more likely hack or moded.

-ape2020

[indigo0086]

The video does not show the back of the television, and it could obscure another 360 in the background, it really doesn't confirm anything.

[GHardin]

The video does not show the back of the television, and it could obscure another 360 in the background, it really doesn't confirm anything.
Actually, the clip does show the back of the TV - it shows the cable running from the back of the 360 to the back of the TV set around the :45-1:00 mark.

[Bitterman]

I never understood why the notebook HDDs were more expensive other than that it's smaller than its 3.5" cousin.
That's pretty much the reason right there.

[stfram]

Wow and the Linux Penguin sitting there as well. Personally I believe the up date to the x360 is coming but the video is more likely hack or moded.


Not to mention that the music was annoying and sucked balls.

The bias of the video author is so obvious that one must seriously ask if it is a fake-up, even if it ultimately turns out to be legit.

Now, if it is legit, it would be nice if they introduced the new one at a $399 price point, and dropped the current models by $100.

That would put Sony in a bind, for sure.

[FigNewton]

The bias of the video author? Just because he has Tux sitting there it means he is biased? He also has a a t-shirt spread out of the Xbox fan/news site which is displaying the video. Did you even look at the pictures in the article showing the insides of the machine comparing the old board with the old scaler to the new board with the new scaler?

You can't just mod an old Xbox to use an HDMI port. It doesn't work that way.

[Daniel_Perales]

Consoles go through revisions all the time.
PS2 probably have like 15 or so revisions,Sony took out and added ports like mad. And the earliest PS2 could only play DVD with software on a memory card. But as long as you can play the games, what's the problem?

Are you talking about the Japanese or the USA version?

I bought my first PS2 (U.S.A. version) at launch time and it played my DVDs right out of the box. The only time I needed software installed on the memory card is when I bought Sony's own remote which came with a disc that installed an updated DVD driver into it.

I take it would have been the early Japanese version, instead.


Danny

[UsadaHikaru]

Consoles go through revisions all the time.
PS2 probably have like 15 or so revisions,Sony took out and added ports like mad. And the earliest PS2 could only play DVD with software on a memory card. But as long as you can play the games, what's the problem?

Thing is, Sony never made a big deal out of the revisions aside from the PSOne/PSTwo's. Most people wouldn't even know about the minimal changes made to each one.

Now here MS will probably make a big show of this and rumor has it there will be a price hike for this version. So this is naturally a much bigger deal.

[DiGiKerot]

Consoles go through revisions all the time.
PS2 probably have like 15 or so revisions,Sony took out and added ports like mad. And the earliest PS2 could only play DVD with software on a memory card. But as long as you can play the games, what's the problem?

Thing is, Sony never made a big deal out of the revisions aside from the PSOne/PSTwo's. Most people wouldn't even know about the minimal changes made to each one.

Now here MS will probably make a big show of this and rumor has it there will be a price hike for this version. So this is naturally a much bigger deal.

So, if they are going to release this as a premium version at a marked up price, I don't really see how its any different to the PSX (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSX_%28DVR%29).

-edit-
Now that I think about it, how about Sega's Wondermega? That was a pretty major revision even over a Mega Drive/Genesis + Mega-CD.

[ape2020]

Consoles go through revisions all the time.
PS2 probably have like 15 or so revisions,Sony took out and added ports like mad. And the earliest PS2 could only play DVD with software on a memory card. But as long as you can play the games, what's the problem?

Thing is, Sony never made a big deal out of the revisions aside from the PSOne/PSTwo's. Most people wouldn't even know about the minimal changes made to each one.

No be deal? I do remember a huge ad push when the PS2 went to the PS2 slim. And all the hype surrounding the DS to DS slim. Sorry now a days all companies will make a ballyhoo for any major changes.

-ape2020

[ADC]

Thing is, Sony never made a big deal out of the revisions aside from the PSOne/PSTwo's. Most people wouldn't even know about the minimal changes made to each one.
No be deal? I do remember a huge ad push when the PS2 went to the PS2 slim. And all the hype surrounding the DS to DS slim. Sorry now a days all companies will make a ballyhoo for any major changes.
But minor revisions, to which Rabi~en~Rose referred, are barely mentioned at all by the manufacturers. Usually it's just people bitching because the latest minor revision broke their region-cracker of choice (or prevented them from using their burnt games). Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, Sega, Atari — doesn't matter. They get really quiet about the hardware right after a minor revision.

[SpaceButler]

...it would be nice if they introduced the new one at a $399 price point, and dropped the current models by $100.

That's what I'm hoping they do, but I have a feeling it'll be priced at $500. Either way though EB/GameStop will prolly have a trade-up deal, so that will soften the blow for me.

[Super Saiyajin Joshua]

This makes me glad I waited to get a 360. One of the reasons I did pass on it for so long was the lack of HDMI.

[Lego]

All I can say is thank god that I haven't bought a next gen console yet, and won't for another six months to a year. If I owned a 360, I'd be pissed though. A smaller, cooler, and quieter chip, IPTV, bigger hard drive, and HDMI over the one that they pushed on me since launch while taking shots at Sony .

The real irony would be if this thing ends up costing 500-600 dollars.

[beatmania]

...it would be nice if they introduced the new one at a $399 price point, and dropped the current models by $100.


They're not going to continute to make any of the 'current models' because the new one would be cheaper to produce. Die shrink = lower cost, it would be totally stupid to keep making and selling ones with 90nm chip when they can make 65nm ones.

Not to mention that having 3 models is just bad for marketing and retail.

[ADC]

Not to mention that having 3 models is just bad for marketing and retail.
With Macworld Expo just days away, now's a good time to remember the success Apple has had promoting computer configurations as Good, Better, Best. Absolutely, a three-tier strategy works. Microsoft can, at least in the short term, do a smaller price drop on the existing units — $50 each, I'd wager — and roll out a Best unit with the HDMI port, HDDVD drive, whatever else at a $450–500 price point. Then, once the existing (Good, Better) units sell out, they might decide to bring out a new low-end version with HDMI but not HDDVD, for example, at $300, and drop that Best unit down from $500 to $400. The old stock gets cleared out quickly thanks to the price drops, and they get to maintain their existing price structure on the new models. Sounds like a plan to me. They might lose a bit more on getting rid of the old stuff, but they'll pay themselves back getting the new hardware to market.

And they'll probably get their contingent of 14-year-old fanboys to double-dip. :D (Poor Azumangaman. At least I'm not getting into his business like Loafy does with johnny, though.)

[indigo0086]

I guess I'm one of the few (see: many) who don't really mind, especially considering this hasn't been confirmed (by an official source) and people are raising a stink. The only reason I wanted HDMI was for upcoverting dvds since my tv doesn't have vga, but I can buy a good upconverting dvd player for much less than a new xbox360. The 360 itself does all the hd-dvd processing so it can send 1080p and 720p through component so there really is no incentive even if I do get an hd-dvd package.

[Gatts]

I guess I'm one of the few (see: many) who don't really mind,

Oh, I don't mind either. My 360 works just fine as is. I'll probably buy the larger hard drive depending on the price point, but that's about it for me.

[indigo0086]

goodnight sweet princes

http://gamerscoreblog.com/team/archive/2007/01/05/539826.aspx

* We have no plans to include an HD DVD drive in an Xbox 360, and in fact, we won’t put games on HD DVD.
* The Xbox 360 is built to be modular, and while we haven’t announced anything specific, the hard drive on the Xbox 360 was made to be easily swapped out.
* We have made no announcements about a new SKU, any new accessories, or any plans for a price drop.

[stfram]

All I can say is thank god that I haven't bought a next gen console yet, and won't for another six months to a year. If I owned a 360, I'd be pissed though.


Then you'll probabably NEVER want to buy a next-gen console, from any manufacturer.

Nintendo came out with the GBA, then the improved SP with backlight, then a even more improved SP with a brighter backlight, then a mini GBA with backlight...all at the same or lower prices.

At least with the 360, it's upgradable. You can buy the HD-DVD drive. You'll probably be able to buy the bigger hdd. The only thing that wouldn't be doable is the HDMI...but not having that capability probably affects very few.


The real irony would be if this thing ends up costing 500-600 dollars.


That is the key. Hopefully they've learned from Sony that price DOES make a difference.

[Lego]

Then you'll probabably NEVER want to buy a next-gen console, from any manufacturer.


Probably heh. What I meant was that I never buy the first generation of any console as a newer or "fixed" version comes out. Like the launch PS2 and then the slim PS2. I'll probably buy a PS3 when the price comes down in the year 2100.

[Rhodes]

well if you wait till "2100" you'd probably be paying tons more than what they are asking now :)

the value of the dollar has only gone down over time... your buck goes for less and less as time crawls forward.

[stfram]

Probably heh. What I meant was that I never buy the first generation of any console as a newer or "fixed" version comes out. Like the launch PS2 and then the slim PS2.


IMO, the slim Ps2 is a first-gen system, compared to the last full revision of the full-size PS2 system.

I still want one, though, just to free up a bit of room in my TV stand.