Trippin On A Hole In A Paper Plot

[Dylonius Funk]

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In this thread we discuss anime with plot holes. Every show has a few, some are large enough to move a semi through, others aren't even noticeable, or are easily explained.

For example, how do they connect the 10th episode of Eva and what we learn about Angles with the later episodes, particularly the movie.

[CrazyAsano]

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In this thread we discuss anime with plot holes. Every show has a few, some are large enough to move a semi through, others aren't even noticeable, or are easily explained.

For example, how do they connect the 5th episode of Eva and what we learn about Angles with the later episodes, particularly the movie.
I don't think it's accurate to say EVERY show has plot holes. And if it's easily explained, it's not a plot hole.

[Maxflier]

Awesome thread title, and nice post count (1337)!

[JackProton]

For example, how do they connect the 5th episode of Eva and what we learn about Angles with the later episodes, particularly the movie.
You're going to have to refresh my memory on that one. Though, speaking of "angles", one of the interesting things going on in EVA is all the different layers of disinformation being spread.

[Lego]

Last Exile anyone?

[The Great Bear]

Last Exile anyone?

Agree on that one. The way it ended was all kind of pulled out of…somewhere…at the last minute, and not quite fitting in with the show as it was going.

[Takato]

As much as I loved it, the FMA movie still confuses me. Since alchemy isn't supposed to work in our world, how was Ed able to open the gate? Why was Eckart able to open the gate the first time but not the second time if she can't use alchemy? And if you can't use alchemy in our world, why did Ed have to go back to the other side to close the gate if nobody can open it unless they can use alchemy?

[Dylonius Funk]

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In this thread we discuss anime with plot holes. Every show has a few, some are large enough to move a semi through, others aren't even noticeable, or are easily explained.

For example, how do they connect the 10th episode of Eva and what we learn about Angles with the later episodes, particularly the movie.

EDIT: Changed the episode number, i meant the 10th episode, Magma Driver

[Hayate Kurogane]

Last Exile anyone?

Agree on that one. The way it ended was all kind of pulled out of…somewhere…at the last minute, and not quite fitting in with the show as it was going.

There's a lot of background that makes the whole thing make sense, but obviously none of it was ever mentioned in the show, so it might as well have never existed. (Would be nice if some company wanted to do a domestic release of the Last Exile Aerial Log, since I do own the original but my Japanese reading skills suck so there's only so much I can suss out before I run into a bunch of kanji I can't identify.) One might argue that it's simply because nobody knew or wanted to talk about what the Exile really was, or what Prester's true nature was, and so we could never get a convenient exposition moment, but that's just dodging the issue.

Done properly, I think the series could've been a lot more than it was (though I still love it), but as it stands I think it just couldn't decide what it wanted to do: be an interesting and stylish sci-fi adventure with some steampunk and vague pseudo-Victorian elements thrown in, or be some sort of grand "individuals get caught up in a greater picture that comes to affect everything they know" story. Interestingly, Vandread in a number of ways does a much better job of telling the same story.

[Dylonius Funk]

For example, how do they connect the 5th episode of Eva and what we learn about Angles with the later episodes, particularly the movie.
You're going to have to refresh my memory on that one. Though, speaking of "angles", one of the interesting things going on in EVA is all the different layers of disinformation being spread.

It's actually the 10th episode, i made a mistake with my episode count.

It's the one where they find an embryo of an Angel in a volcano and send Askuka down to try and contain it with an energy net so they can retrieve it for study. It awakes and begins to cause havoc and ultimately is detroyed. This however seems contrary to what we learn in later material, primarily the movies. The Angles come from the White Moon in Antarctica, the Egg where Adam was awoken and where Second Impact occurred, in contrast to the Geo-front in Neo-Tokyo 3 which is above the Black Moon, or Lilith's Egg.

[Hayate Kurogane]

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In this thread we discuss anime with plot holes. Every show has a few, some are large enough to move a semi through, others aren't even noticeable, or are easily explained.

For example, how do they connect the 10th episode of Eva and what we learn about Angles with the later episodes, particularly the movie.

EDIT: Changed the episode number, i meant the 10th episode, Magma Driver

DISCLAIMER: This post may or may not have Evangelion SPOILERS in it. I've hidden an obvious one, but I don't care enough to decide what else might or might not be. Your fault for reading if you shouldn't be.

Something that's always been fascinating to me about Evangelion is how nobody ever questions where the Angels come from. We see them appear, but nobody ever thinks about from where they originate, regardless of whether they spontaneously appear or are detected while traveling towards Tokyo-3 from some other location. Nothing in Evangelion really provides an answer, either, in any sort of practical sense that would allow for proactive measures on NERV's part.

The most interesting thing about it, though, is that it's not at all relevant. Episode 10 is an exception, and there's quite bit of dialogue regarding how special it is that NERV can get to an Angel before it gets to them, but very little time or interest is otherwise shown towards figuring out where these things are coming from. Although I suppose nobody at NERV cares since all they're really doing is waiting for the Angels to all show up, so they can get that out of the way and move on to trying to initiate Third Impact. By one definition, the inexplicable nature of the Angels can't really be considered a plot hole because it's just not essential, whether internally or externally to the series.

But regarding episode 10 and the point you're addressing DF, they don't make any connection, whether we're talking about the characters or the writers of the series, because there's no need to. Each of the Angels is sufficiently unique that there's little point in trying to reconcile the nature of Sandalphon's embryonic state with any of the forms the other Angels take.

[Captain Impulse]

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[Lego]

Done properly, I think the series could've been a lot more than it was (though I still love it), but as it stands I think it just couldn't decide what it wanted to do: be an interesting and stylish sci-fi adventure with some steampunk and vague pseudo-Victorian elements thrown in, or be some sort of grand "individuals get caught up in a greater picture that comes to affect everything they know" story. Interestingly, Vandread in a number of ways does a much better job of telling the same story.

I like the show but thats pretty much how I felt. As you mentioned for someone like me who has just seen the show, I did have a couple head scratching moments.

[JackProton]

Something that's always been fascinating to me about Evangelion is how nobody ever questions where the Angels come from. We see them appear, but nobody ever thinks about from where they originate, regardless of whether they spontaneously appear or are detected while traveling towards Tokyo-3 from some other location. Nothing in Evangelion really provides an answer, either, in any sort of practical sense that would allow for proactive measures on NERV's part.

There's a conversation between Shinji and Misato at one point on this very topic. Misato merely states that if they knew where to find the angels, they'd do something about it. Having watched EVA 1,473 times, though, makes it clear that the angels don't so much exist in a different place as a different state (no, not like New Jersey) of being and may actually be living alongside humanity but hidden.


The most interesting thing about it, though, is that it's not at all relevant.....
Summed it up very nicely. The nature of the angels is, unsurprisingly, rather abstract which becomes clearer as the series progresses and the attacks themselves become less physical in nature.

[Dylonius Funk]

Something that's always been fascinating to me about Evangelion is how nobody ever questions where the Angels come from. We see them appear, but nobody ever thinks about from where they originate, regardless of whether they spontaneously appear or are detected while traveling towards Tokyo-3 from some other location. Nothing in Evangelion really provides an answer, either, in any sort of practical sense that would allow for proactive measures on NERV's part.

There's a conversation between Shinji and Misato at one point on this very topic. Misato merely states that if they knew where to find the angels, they'd do something about it. Having watched EVA 1,473 times, though, makes it clear that the angels don't so much exist in a different place as a different state (no, not like New Jersey) of being and may actually be living alongside humanity but hidden.


The most interesting thing about it, though, is that it's not at all relevant.....
Summed it up very nicely. The nature of the angels is, unsurprisingly, rather abstract which becomes clearer as the series progresses and the attacks themselves become less physical in nature.

The thing about Eva is it's differnet if you consider the movie or if you just take the series on it's own. You guys sound like you are just considering the series which is fine. But when End Of Eva is added in we have to take into account that the angles come from The White Moon in Antarctica, where Adam was found This makes the discovery in Episode 10 seem out of place and no real attempt is ever made to explain it's presence. Ultimately i think i used it as a bad example because when i look at it closer it seems less like a plot hole and more like filler. It's telling that Sadamoto did not include that part in the manga.

[Fencedude]

But when End Of Eva is added in we have to take into account that the angles come from The White Moon in Antarctica, where Adam was found This makes the discovery in Episode 10 seem out of place and no real attempt is ever made to explain it's presence. Ultimately i think i used it as a bad example because when i look at it closer it seems less like a plot hole and more like filler. It's telling that Sadamoto did not include that part in the manga.

Uhh...I don't think the angels come "from" the White Moon, thats just where Adam was found.