Are you a lolicon pervert?

[Chuplayer]

In response to the other thread, I've decided to start the lolicon thread. I'm even scientifically going to find out if the 70% figure is real or not by using a poll :cool:

There's even a poll for the ladies who may be into lolicon.

Anyway, I'm a dude, and I like lolicon. I've seen a lot of loli hentai on the internet, and I find some normal anime better because of the little girls. I sometimes find them sexually arousing, but I also find them cute and adorable. I don't always want to see them doing dirty things :blush: I can enjoy stuff like Sugar and CCS without sporting a woody.

I like mature women in anime, too. One of my favorite anime characters is Misaki's aunt in Angelic Layer even though she's a minor character. She's so beautiful, and she seems like a strong woman.

[touma]

Well, I do not consider myself to be a lolicon pervert but with the definition that you seem to be using I decided to vote "yes" because I, quite obviously, do like shows with cute young girls.
Besides, my vote is not admissible in court :> , is it :sd: ?

[Chuplayer]

Well, I do not consider myself to be a lolicon pervert but with the definition that you seem to be using I decided to vote "yes" because I, quite obviously, do like shows with cute young girls.
Besides, my vote is not admissible in court :> , is it :sd: ?


"Lolicon pervert" was sort of a joke. I saw it used in a loli hentai, and it was hilarious.

[something]

I can enjoy stuff like Sugar and CCS without sporting a woody.
For some reason, this struck me as a great quote.

[Speedy Boris]

God no.

[EmperorBrandon]

Definitely a no for me. I like a good deal of "cute" series and have several younger girl favorite characters. I'm not attracted to them in a perverted way, though.

[The Great Bear]

No.

Do I like some shows that have characters that are young and female.
Yes.

Do I feel any sexual attraction for those characters?
No.

I like women.

[christianlf]

Not even a little. I find the whole sexualization of prepubescent girls to be more than a little creepy, but whatever floats peoples' boats, I guess.

And before people crawl up my ass, I'm obviously not talking about people who simply find the young girls "cute" in a non-sexual manner. :) Though even that is really not my bag, and if a show features a cast of young girls, that serves as a big deterrent, especially when said show panders to the darker side of the fandom. Ideally, I prefer adult casts, but that can be hard to find, so mid to upper teens is usually the compromise.

[Jimmie M]

No, definitely not.

[ape2020]

Yes I'm an anime/manga loicon pervert. I find when the girls don't look real life they can be sexy at any age. Oh and I'm got my nasty thoughts on some hot MILFs too.

Now it seem you forgot to ask about the other side of the coin. Of course it really doesn't need another thread so I'll ask it here.

-ape2020

[ape2020]

"Lolicon pervert" was sort of a joke. I saw it used in a loli hentai, and it was hilarious.

Well if you find that funny, go around with a tee saying "Bukkake Master".

Oh now people need to speak up if they like the teeny-weenies. :> :> :>

-ape2020

[Vicserr]

No sir, I come from a time where in anime, Men were Men, Women were Women, both were glad of it and little kids and tweens were comic relief... O.O

[akcoll99]

Sorry, but I like my women older, legal, and nice and busty! :>

[Fencedude]

No sir, I come from a time where in anime, Men were Men, Women were Women, both were glad of it and little kids and tweens were comic relief... O.O

You want me to start pulling out examples from your golden age to refute that?

[angelx03]

No sir, I come from a time where in anime, Men were Men, Women were Women, both were glad of it and little kids and tweens were comic relief... O.O

You want me to start pulling out examples from your golden age to refute that?

Please do! I want to see how this will end!

[ayareiko]

No.

Do I like some shows that have characters that are young and female.
Yes.

Do I feel any sexual attraction for those characters?
No.

I like women.
QFT

Gimme adult Feito over chibikko Feito anyday.

[Garasharp K7]

No sir, I come from a time where in anime, Men were Men, Women were Women, both were glad of it and little kids and tweens were comic relief... O.O

You want me to start pulling out examples from your golden age to refute that?

Please do! I want to see how this will end!

Have to say I'm pretty curious myself. :) I don't remember any loli elements in Mazinger Z, Voltes V, Getter Robo or Grendizer...

And as to the question, No. I like a fair few cute characters alright, just not in a creepy filthy way. :)

[kit-kat]

No. I love cute, but for cuteness sake, not for anything "perverted".

[Vicserr]

No sir, I come from a time where in anime, Men were Men, Women were Women, both were glad of it and little kids and tweens were comic relief... O.O

You want me to start pulling out examples from your golden age to refute that?

Please do! I want to see how this will end!

Have to say I'm pretty curious myself. :) I don't remember any loli elements in Mazinger Z, Voltes V, Getter Robo or Grendizer...

or Gaiking, Jeeg, Daimos, Great Mazinger, GoLion, DaiRugger XV, Yamato, Capt. Herlock, Laserion, Gordian and Dorvack O.O , there might be examples in the time frame but at least not in the anime I've watched. :sd:

PS: Love your Gekiganger III avatar O.O

[treatment]

No sir, I come from a time where in anime, Men were Men, Women were Women, both were glad of it and little kids and tweens were comic relief... O.O

You want me to start pulling out examples from your golden age to refute that?

Please do! I want to see how this will end!

Have to say I'm pretty curious myself. :) I don't remember any loli elements in Mazinger Z, Voltes V, Getter Robo or Grendizer...

or Gaiking, Jeeg, Daimos, Great Mazinger, GoLion, DaiRugger XV, Yamato, Capt. Herlock, Laserion, Gordian and Dorvack O.O , there might be examples in the time frame but at least not in the anime I've watched. :sd:



I wanna see these examples, too!

[masterpez]

In my case, it depends on who's drawing/design it is. There are a few artists, be they mangaka, anime character designers, or just plain doujinshi circle artists that I follow. I think some of their art work is so good that they could make wooden boards look sexy....and I'm sure I'd own some of their books that focus on wooden boards. I just like attractive designs regardless of the character's age and wouldn't hesitate to say something like "she looks hot". I don't know whether that makes me a "lolicon pervert" or not.

[Lego]

Depends on the character and their personality really. I'm not a huge "oh wow a loli!" type of fan, but I do like a couple younger characters like Anita from R.O.D TV and Skuld from AMG. I tend to go towards the character personality and mannerisms though, not because of age heh. Obviously I'm talking about liking them as a character, not wanting to see them violated by tentacles.

[DanielJr]

Even the thought of it makes me sick.

[Splitter]

A lolicon pervert? Once upon a time, but I'm clean now. I can even watch the hentai without a sudden tent pitch.

A shota pervert? Well, I did watch Boku no Pico this weekend... but that was mostly because a group of us each picked a hentai to show and the shotacon showed that... it was cute, I'll give it that. But I'm not raving hard for little boys.

[Krate]

Not even a little. I find the whole sexualization of prepubescent girls to be more than a little creepy, but whatever floats peoples' boats, I guess.
My thoughts exactly. :)

[GrateSaiyaman]

Not even a little. I find the whole sexualization of prepubescent girls to be more than a little creepy, but whatever floats peoples' boats, I guess.
My thoughts exactly. :)

I can't add much to that . . . but . . .

In my case, it depends on who's drawing/design it is. There are a few artists, be they mangaka, anime character designers, or just plain doujinshi circle artists that I follow. I think some of their art work is so good that they could make wooden boards look sexy....and I'm sure I'd own some of their books that focus on wooden boards. I just like attractive designs regardless of the character's age and wouldn't hesitate to say something like "she looks hot". I don't know whether that makes me a "lolicon pervert" or not.

Personally all I kind of doubt it . . .
. . . if you start following 5th graders around thinking nasty stuff, then I'd say you might need some help . . .

:roll:

Now . . . Looking at my avatar . . . she's kind of loli but she's also 1000 years old . . . :blush:

My Avatar was Al Azif from Demonbane (http://animeonnazuki.com/stuff/AlAzif.jpg)

[Vicserr]

No sir, I come from a time where in anime, Men were Men, Women were Women, both were glad of it and little kids and tweens were comic relief... O.O

You want me to start pulling out examples from your golden age to refute that?

Please do! I want to see how this will end!

Have to say I'm pretty curious myself. :) I don't remember any loli elements in Mazinger Z, Voltes V, Getter Robo or Grendizer...

or Gaiking, Jeeg, Daimos, Great Mazinger, GoLion, DaiRugger XV, Yamato, Capt. Herlock, Laserion, Gordian and Dorvack O.O , there might be examples in the time frame but at least not in the anime I've watched. :sd:



I wanna see these examples, too!


Let me add a couple more: Gakeen, Mospeada, Southern Cross, Gundam, Combattra V, Groizer X, Orguss, Remi (coming from ImaginAsian July 1st alongside Orguss and Cat's Eye), Conan, Dancougar, Dragonar, Bismark, Borgman...

[Chuplayer]

No loli moments in Gundam? Bullcrap! Remember 08th MS Team? The naked girl in the lake? Small tits and all? That girl was around 14.

And in First Gundam and Zeta Gundam, there were occasionally little boys and girls running around naked. Not loli, but there was also the episode of Zeta Gundam where Rosamia was prancing around topless :virgin:

Robotech Macross Saga/Macross had the Minmei shower scene if you watched the uncut version. She was 16 back when that took place. You only got to see her butt, but wow O.O Again, not loli, but The Masters Saga/Southern Cross has Dana in the shower once in about every three episodes, and you get to see her tits :cool:

[Vicserr]

No loli moments in Gundam? Bullcrap! Remember 08th MS Team? The naked girl in the lake? Small tits and all? That girl was around 14.

I was talking specifically about First Gundam.

And in First Gundam and Zeta Gundam, there were occasionally little boys and girls running around naked.

Comic relief, as I posted above, you can't deny that three kids avoiding a bath, barging on the bridge of a prim and proper military ship is funny.

Not loli, but there was also the episode of Zeta Gundam where Rosamia was prancing around topless :virgin:

Robotech Macross Saga/Macross had the Minmei shower scene if you watched the uncut version. She was 16 back when that took place. You only got to see her butt, but wow O.O Again, not loli, but The Masters Saga/Southern Cross has Dana in the shower once in about every three episodes, and you get to see her tits :cool:

You said it yourself, not loli, I have no problem if the anime pushes the sexuality of adult, mature or of age of consent characters, now kids are another matter ;)

[Chuplayer]

I was talking specifically about First Gundam.

Oh. Well, then. In the book version, Sayla and Amuro get it on, and they were 14 or so, right?

Comic relief, as I posted above, you can't deny that three kids avoiding a bath, barging on the bridge of a prim and proper military ship is funny.

Yeah, it's kinda funny. Nothing I fapped to.

Anyway, I find it interesting how most of the people who voted yes haven't commented at all. Heh.

[Vicserr]

I was talking specifically about First Gundam.

Oh. Well, then. In the book version, Sayla and Amuro get it on, and they were 14 or so, right?


The novels do a very different telling of the story, one that is not subjected to a tv station S&P board, so Tomino could get away with that on the novels.

[Chuplayer]

I was talking specifically about First Gundam.

Oh. Well, then. In the book version, Sayla and Amuro get it on, and they were 14 or so, right?


The novels do a very different telling of the story, one that is not subjected to a tv station S&P board, so Tomino could get away with that on the novels.

Um... yeah? They still got it on. Giggity!

[Ty]

Now . . . Looking at my avatar . . . she's kind of loli but she's also 1000 years old . . . :blush:
Ahhh.... the guilt-free loli. What will anime think of next? :P

[Isuzu Inugami]

No loli moments in Gundam? Bullcrap! Remember 08th MS Team? The naked girl in the lake? Small tits and all? That girl was around 14.


14 is not loli, 4 is loli. Anime 14 is like real life 17 anyway. Sheesh, you guys, trying to make me feel like a sicko for liking that scene? :P

[treatment]

Errr, 8th MS Team was done in the mid-'90's whereas Vicserr's golden era of anime was in the '70's. I thought him mentioning his titles was clear enough.

Also, if you wanna discuss non-loli service, then you might as well start a new thread about non-loli perversions. We got plenty of examples for those. In every era, I reckon. :P

[Teiresias]

This thread is hilarious! :D

Please continue...

[Vicserr]

Errr, 8th MS Team was done in the mid-'90's whereas Vicserr's golden era of anime was in the '70's. I thought him mentioning his titles was clear enough.


Not everything is in the 70's, I did mention titles from the early to mid 80's. :D

Should I feel old because of that?... :sd:

[treatment]

Errr, 8th MS Team was done in the mid-'90's whereas Vicserr's golden era of anime was in the '70's. I thought him mentioning his titles was clear enough.


Not everything is in the 70's, I did mention titles from the early to mid 80's. :D

Should I feel old because of that?... :sd:

Yeah. You should apply for seniors-discount already. :P

[Gatts]

14 is not loli, 4 is loli. Anime 14 is like real life 17 anyway.

Rei Ayanami and Asuka Langley Soryu are both that magical anime age. I would also like to point to Aya Natsume from Tenjo Tenge (15), Hakufu Sonsaku Ikkitousen (15), Izumi Sawatari He is My Master (14), Imari Kurumi Bible Black (15), Flay Allster Gundam Seed (15) and of course my favorite Tomoyo Daidouji (10 going on 21 :D ).

[Vicserr]

Errr, 8th MS Team was done in the mid-'90's whereas Vicserr's golden era of anime was in the '70's. I thought him mentioning his titles was clear enough.


Not everything is in the 70's, I did mention titles from the early to mid 80's. :D

Should I feel old because of that?... :sd:

Yeah. You should apply for seniors-discount already. :P

Well, now that you mention it, I did receive a membership application for AARP last month. O.O

[Suwako Moriya]

The best example for me would be "Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha". As nine year olds I found both Fate and Nanoha to be kind of attractive at least in terms of their age. However I'd much rather fantasize about them as nineteen year olds. Especially since I'd feel less guilt and they come with bonus features. Including being even more attractive. Although who knows? Maybe I'd be too distracted by Hayate herself to get around to them. Yeah I had to mention her eventually because I can.

So I guess in my case it's wow that young girl is attractive and thus I must do her when she's old enough. Granted old enough is a subjective term and with the way some gripe about the evils of lolis. You start to wonder if they'd consider even a 90 year old woman that actually looks 90 to be a pure evil loli.

While it can be creepy when some fantasize about having sex with nine year olds. It can also be creepy when some make it a crime for a child to be a child. Where a ten year old isn't even allowed to wear a long dress that reveals nothing without being treated like trash for it. Those people may not realize it, but they only add to the problem.

[Lego]

It also has to do with the fact that a large chunk of airing anime is aimed at teenagers, so we see a lot of 12-18 year olds when it comes to newer shows. I'm sure if the market was more salaryman dominated, you'd still have the "loli shows" but more shows would be skewed towards older female characters.

Me? It really depends on the character as I don't latch onto a character because they fit a certain archetype.

[relentlessflame]

It also has to do with the fact that a large chunk of airing anime is aimed at teenagers, so we see a lot of 12-18 year olds when it comes to newer shows. I'm sure if the market was more salaryman dominated, you'd still have the "loli shows" but more shows would be skewed towards older female characters.
Are you sure about that? The people buying the merchandise are typically in their 20s; young salarymen with money to spare. Most of the anime we talk about around here (not counting the major shounen shows) are aimed squarely at that demographic since they pay the bills (although I'm sure they're popular among some teenagers as well). That's sort of a roundabout way of getting back to the topic though; as Shimauma said, teenaged characters aren't "loli".

[something]

Anyway, I find it interesting how most of the people who voted yes haven't commented at all. Heh.
Heh, but certainly not surprising.

[Dicrel Seijin]

Anyway, I find it interesting how most of the people who voted yes haven't commented at all. Heh.
Heh, but certainly not surprising.

I voted, and I'm commenting. :D

I don't like into loli. I like my ladies legal and a little bit lusty :D . (Okay, I'll stop with the L's now. :sd: )

[something]

I voted, and I'm commenting. :D
I don't like into loli. I like my ladies legal and a little bit lusty :D . (Okay, I'll stop with the L's now. :sd: )
But he was talking about people that voted yes not commenting...

[ape2020]

I voted, and I'm commenting. :D
I don't like into loli. I like my ladies legal and a little bit lusty :D . (Okay, I'll stop with the L's now. :sd: )
But he was talking about people that voted yes not commenting...

Yes people like me who have no sense of shame or personal moral code. Good thing I'm a moderator now. :> :> :>

[ADC]

Yes people like me who have no sense of shame or personal moral code. Good thing I'm a moderator now. :> :> :>
Isn't that the top requirement for being a mod? Hmm … I should fill out an application. Do I have to send Chris my boxers? Is that how it works?

[The Great Bear]

Yes people like me who have no sense of shame or personal moral code. Good thing I'm a moderator now. :> :> :>
Isn't that the top requirement for being a mod? Hmm … I should fill out an application. Do I have to send Chris my boxers? Is that how it works?

I've been informed that young virgins are required. I don't have access to any, so I've never bothered to apply.

[ADC]

Yes people like me who have no sense of shame or personal moral code. Good thing I'm a moderator now. :> :> :>
Isn't that the top requirement for being a mod? Hmm … I should fill out an application. Do I have to send Chris my boxers? Is that how it works?
I've been informed that young virgins are required. I don't have access to any, so I've never bothered to apply.
Well, hell! There's a school right around the corner from here! As I've, um, noticed while driving around and NOT looking at lolis. :nervous: Or shotas, for that matter.

[ape2020]

Yes people like me who have no sense of shame or personal moral code. Good thing I'm a moderator now. :> :> :>
Isn't that the top requirement for being a mod? Hmm … I should fill out an application. Do I have to send Chris my boxers? Is that how it works?

Only if they are tidy whiteys from your elementary days, (and they are still soiled :P :P :P )

-ape2020

[ADC]

Only if they are tidy whiteys from your elementary days, (and they are still soiled :P :P :P )
If they're soiled, they wouldn't be very tidy, right? Modding AOD requires you to do the impossible! O.O

[ape2020]

Only if they are tidy whiteys from your elementary days, (and they are still soiled :P :P :P )
If they're soiled, they wouldn't be very tidy, right? Modding AOD requires you to do the impossible! O.O

But with the right stuff they can still be whitey! :horse:

-ape2020

[populuxe]

Lolicon doesn't do it for me like mature women do. I love MILFs far more than lolis.

[Chuplayer]

Only if they are tidy whiteys from your elementary days, (and they are still soiled :P :P :P )
If they're soiled, they wouldn't be very tidy, right? Modding AOD requires you to do the impossible! O.O

But with the right stuff they can still be whitey! :horse:

-ape2020

At the risk of going to TMI Land... it turns yellow if you don't wash it out within a reasonable amount of time. I don't know why.

[ADC]

Only if they are tidy whiteys from your elementary days, (and they are still soiled :P :P :P )
If they're soiled, they wouldn't be very tidy, right? Modding AOD requires you to do the impossible! O.O
But with the right stuff they can still be whitey! :horse:
At the risk of going to TMI Land... it turns yellow if you don't wash it out within a reasonable amount of time. I don't know why.
I don't know. Maybe that's Chris' fetish. Point's moot, anyway, because I didn't keep any of my underdrawers from back in the day.

[battra92]

I own Sugar and I am not a lolicon. The fact that it's taking me years to finish it proves it.

Given a choice I take a mature woman with a developed mind and figure over a little girl any day.

[mk2000]

Considering the logs that are kept around this place, I doubt this poll will actually reflect a real number.

Still, interesting...

[pianocello]

Dude, seriously when you use words like "pervert" and word your sentences in such a sleazy way, most people are not going to want to admit it for fear of being labelled a pedophile.
I base my 70% on the fact that the last time in AoD we did both a mature, older women thread and a lolicon thread and the lolicon thread had MORE THAN TWICE the responses of the of the mature ladies thread.
The fact is, more of the male members here are more likely to be into underage school girls than MILFs. That doesn't mean that all of them spend their free time lusting after underage anime characters. When you word this thread like this, seriously very few people are going to admit that they are into lolicon.

[something]

I base my 70% on the fact that the last time in AoD we did both a mature, older women thread and a lolicon thread and the lolicon thread had MORE THAN TWICE the responses of the of the mature ladies thread.
Unless you go through and count unique responses, and unique positive responses at that, and then somehow qualitatively analyze them to tell who actually has a sexual fetish and who is just having fun, you've really got nothing with the numbers.

And to be honest, worrying about it is just silly. I believe (as do you probably) in the freedom of fap, the right to be turned on by whatever the hell you want so long as 1) you don't force it on others, 2) you separate fiction and reality and 3) your chosen entertainment doesn't rely on the sexual exploitation of other people, and thankfully since it's animated, it doesn't.

[Speedy Boris]

And to be honest, worrying about it is just silly. I believe (as do you probably) in the freedom of fap, the right to be turned on by whatever the hell you want so long as 1) you don't force it on others, 2) you separate fiction and reality and 3) your chosen entertainment doesn't rely on the sexual exploitation of other people, and thankfully since it's animated, it doesn't. LOL, "Freedom of Fap". I can just imagine a law called that in the Constitution. :P

[Ty]

And to be honest, worrying about it is just silly. I believe (as do you probably) in the freedom of fap, the right to be turned on by whatever the hell you want so long as 1) you don't force it on others, 2) you separate fiction and reality and 3) your chosen entertainment doesn't rely on the sexual exploitation of other people, and thankfully since it's animated, it doesn't. LOL, "Freedom of Fap". I can just imagine a law called that in the Constitution. :P
The day somebody tries to "govern" our freedom to fap is the day I move to Canada.

[HitokiriShadow]

Yes, it is one of my many fetishes. It's a natural extension of my preference for medium to small breasts. However, I also enjoy older mature women. MILFate < loliFate.

While I enjoy loli hentai, its purely of the original character variety. I don't really care for hentai twisting the characters to get them boning each other nor do I care for seeing characters I like getting raped or turning into sluts. This is true for characters of any age, but especially for the younger (say, 12 and under) characters. I can honestly say I don't find myself thinking "Boy, Caro is hot, I want to hit that." MILFate on the other hand....

[masterpez]

The day somebody tries to "govern" our freedom to fap is the day I move to Canada.

I think you'll have a harder time having this kind of freedom if you move to Canada... :D

[Johnny]

Only with real life girls.

[Ty]

The day somebody tries to "govern" our freedom to fap is the day I move to Canada.

I think you'll have a harder time having this kind of freedom if you move to Canada... :D

Ha, right. Isn't the legal age of consent 14 or 15 up there? Sounds like the opposite of what you're implying.

[something]

Ha, right. Isn't the legal age of consent 14 or 15 up there? Sounds like the opposite of what you're implying.
Getting into more serious territory, what he's referring to, I assume, is that Canada has been stricter in criticism of animation/hentai/etc, and you're more likely to get busted for it there than here. Though I can't say I'd worry about it terribly much in either country.

Lots of news stories about it on ANN and such in the last year or two, I'll be damned if I have any links on hand though. If you're really interested, I'm sure you can find some of em.

[Ty]

Ha, right. Isn't the legal age of consent 14 or 15 up there? Sounds like the opposite of what you're implying.
Getting into more serious territory, what he's referring to, I assume, is that Canada has been stricter in criticism of animation/hentai/etc, and you're more likely to get busted for it there than here. Though I can't say I'd worry about it terribly much in either country.

Lots of news stories about it on ANN and such in the last year or two, I'll be damned if I have any links on hand though. If you're really interested, I'm sure you can find some of em.
Didn't they pass some laws declaring cartoon pornography the equivalent of real pornography? I rarely spend time at /b/ but apparently enough to pick that bit up. It was the basis for similar laws being pushed in the US now. I'm all for protecting children. It's an ugly issue of that vs. limitation of freedoms whichever way you cut it.

[Shikamaru824]

:Looks at avatar...shrugs; votes "yes":

I've been guilty of looking at loli from time to time, and fappage does ensue. But not all the time...I really cringe at the pics where the artist really tries to make it look like a real child. That freaks me out.

But what this thread needs is more responses (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v705/Ranma824/1173916699050.jpg) from the "yes" party! :P

[chicogrande]

Oh gosh darn it, yes. As long as the female characters are made to look like they have reached puberty.

[Chuplayer]

Didn't they pass some laws declaring cartoon pornography the equivalent of real pornography?

The short answer: Yes.
The long answer: I don't have linkage, but some dude got arrested because he imported lolicon manga or something.

And that "MOAR" pic was so cute :D

[masterpez]

The long answer: I don't have linkage, but some dude got arrested because he imported lolicon manga or something.

And that's pretty much what my comment was referring to. I think someone had made a thread about it here not too long ago.

[Dylonius Funk]

Ha, right. Isn't the legal age of consent 14 or 15 up there? Sounds like the opposite of what you're implying.
Getting into more serious territory, what he's referring to, I assume, is that Canada has been stricter in criticism of animation/hentai/etc, and you're more likely to get busted for it there than here. Though I can't say I'd worry about it terribly much in either country.

Lots of news stories about it on ANN and such in the last year or two, I'll be damned if I have any links on hand though. If you're really interested, I'm sure you can find some of em.
Didn't they pass some laws declaring cartoon pornography the equivalent of real pornography? I rarely spend time at /b/ but apparently enough to pick that bit up. It was the basis for similar laws being pushed in the US now. I'm all for protecting children. It's an ugly issue of that vs. limitation of freedoms whichever way you cut it.

To post it here would probably light a political powder keg. I'll send you the details in a PM.

[Ty]

Ha, right. Isn't the legal age of consent 14 or 15 up there? Sounds like the opposite of what you're implying.
Getting into more serious territory, what he's referring to, I assume, is that Canada has been stricter in criticism of animation/hentai/etc, and you're more likely to get busted for it there than here. Though I can't say I'd worry about it terribly much in either country.

Lots of news stories about it on ANN and such in the last year or two, I'll be damned if I have any links on hand though. If you're really interested, I'm sure you can find some of em.
Didn't they pass some laws declaring cartoon pornography the equivalent of real pornography? I rarely spend time at /b/ but apparently enough to pick that bit up. It was the basis for similar laws being pushed in the US now. I'm all for protecting children. It's an ugly issue of that vs. limitation of freedoms whichever way you cut it.

To post it here would probably light a political powder keg. I'll send you the details in a PM.
I almost deleted my post for that reason, but it's not political discussion and it's on-topic so I left it. :) Discussions like this make me feel dirty. :sd: I like lolis when they're cute... as soon as it starts becoming more than just cute the very idea makes me feel dirty.

[mk2000]

I've always wondered about the no-politics rule since politics can have a direct impact on the industry, this website, and more importantly, our beloved past time. My previous attempts to bring up the subject mentioned (with specific links) have gotten locked in the past. I typically have to go to ANN for that kind of discourse.

In any case, to bring my post back to kosher status...how about that Strawberry Marshmallow! So cute! :roll:

[ADC]

In any case, to bring my post back to kosher status...how about that Strawberry Marshmallow! So cute! :roll:
Yeah, that's loli done right. But don't call them cute, please. ;)

[mk2000]

In any case, to bring my post back to kosher status...how about that Strawberry Marshmallow! So cute! :roll:
Yeah, that's loli done right. But don't call them cute, please. ;)

But they are...so cute!
I just recently got two of the gashapon sets and they're...so cute!

If it got any cuter I think I might have to get a barf bag.

Seriously, my feelings towards that series is paternally driven.
Sort of like kittens...just cause I like them doesn't mean I want to do them or something (unless you're Gates from FMP!SR :( )

But no denying, human sexuality is somewhat free flowing.

As a Liberterian, I stand by the following:
"You can live however you want so long as you don't initiate force or fraud against others or their property."

Freedom of Speech and Privacy above all else.

[TiGrBaLm]

There's gotta be grass and hills where I play

[jlazar]

There's gotta be grass and hills where I play



Well, bushes and mountains would be adult women, and plains and flatlands would be pre-adolescents... so grass and hills would mean that you like young teens. Gotcha. :neko:

[mk2000]

There's gotta be grass and hills where I play



Well, bushes and mountains would be adult women, and plains and flatlands would be pre-adolescents... so grass and hills would mean that you like young teens. Gotcha. :neko:

But not all are bushes and mountains. Some can be bushes and flatlands, bushes and hills, etc.
Of course, depending on what part of town you are in, it could be bug infested swamps and hills (Britney Spears?)
:P

[Kinomoto_Shinji]

I like lolicon. I like straight shotacon. I even like some of the feminine looking shotacon. I like the normal looking women too. It all depends on my mood. :P Love 7chan.

[Ty]

There's gotta be grass and hills where I play


My God...... your avatar...... it's possessing my soul......

[kakugo]

It should be noted that a Lolita Anime video series made their debut in 1983, the same year as the OVA itself. There was a time before loli, but only because more viable means of loli distribution didn't exist yet and the concept of mainstream TV loli (and moe) hadn't been nailed down as profitable yet.

Anyway, mark me down as a "yes". I'm a horrible man and make no qualms about it: guro, unko, gero, loli, shota, futa, bukkake, gokkun, chikan, public humiliation, monsters, body transformations, torture, incest, ramen, boiled eggs, whatever you got I'm down with assuming it's drawn and written well enough. 99% of what I watch in entertainment is things I'd not be particularly amused or willing to do in real life anyway, and looking at lolicon has made me no more a child hungry pedophile than watching horror films has made me a brutal serial murderer.

Frankly I'd probably do the latter before the former. Some people deserve to get a crowbar in the head, but no preteen deserves to get raped. Anyway...

I don't wank off to Cardcaptor Sakura, despite finding the show entertaining. Shintasho/Princess 69... well, no promises there. :D

[Chuplayer]

guro, unko, gero, loli, shota, futa, bukkake, gokkun, chikan, public humiliation, monsters, body transformations, torture, incest, ramen, boiled eggs, whatever

And I thought I was bad.

I don't wank off to Cardcaptor Sakura, despite finding the show entertaining.

I've got you beat there, but I do enjoy it the way you enjoy it, too. But, do you remember the bath scene early on in the series? Dayum :virgin:

Shintasho/Princess 69... well, no promises there. :D

At first, I was like, "What... the hell... did I just buy?" Then I was like, "Young gymnastics girls getting boned :D "

[ape2020]

Anyway, mark me down as a "yes". I'm a horrible man and make no qualms about it: guro, unko, gero, loli, shota, futa, bukkake, gokkun, chikan, public humiliation, monsters, body transformations, torture, incest, ramen, boiled eggs, whatever you got I'm down with assuming it's drawn and written well enough.

How about toddlericon? Well then again I've never stuck around long enough to see if it had any resemblance of a story.

Speaking of 70s or 80s didn't Urotsukidoji come out close to the golden age of Anime. I also remember running over a few "true" lolicon hentai that seemed from that age. Can't remember the name but it looked like elementary school girls and boys getting it on.

-ape2020

[Isuzu Inugami]

ramen

You sick, sick man! Kakugo, I've misjudged you!

[kakugo]

Chuplayer - Hell, I could jerk off to Cardcaptor Sakura if stranded on a desert island with a DVD player and a collection of shoujo DVDs, sure. But my wife would be incredibly angry at me, and these's thousands of doujins to make wanking off to Sakura-chan all the more rewarding. :D

Ape2020 - The lack of narrative structure and general art quality is exactly why the overwhelming majority of loli material doesn't appeal to me. We've all got fetishes, but even a hardcore loli fan would be hard pressed to get it up over the majority of poorly scratched out and plotless attempts at eroticism you'll find in the genre. Some of it's cute, sure. But most of it just plain sucks.

The only toddlercon material I can remember being especially fond of was Waita Uziga's manga Maichan no Nichijou (Mai-chan's Daily Life) which ends with - DON'T READ THIS! - an unborn infant pulled from Mai's womb, said infant being raped violently, and then said infant being put into a blender... I'm still amazed Mai didn't have to drink it..., and the OVA adaptation Lolita Anime Uchiyama Aki no Omorashi Gokko, in which a loli gets raped by a parrot's beak, tries to eat some ants, pees herself constantly, is forced to poop herself, and has intergalactic sex with her ojisan and turns him into a baby before making her parents explode with her special freaky mind powers.

While not quite toddlercon, another personal favorite is the stylish OVA Datenshitachi no Kyouen (Orgy of the Fallen Angels), in turn based on the 2 part manga by Dirty Matsumoto. After her mother and sister are given enemas before her eyes by the yakuza, she's in turn raped by a predatory lesbian and their fat mongoloid boss. At which point the young girl bites off his dick, crushes him with a statue, cuts his assistant's eyes in half with a straight razor in the shower and then floods the basement with gasoline, killing the gangsters - and her unworthy family - in a hellish blaze. Not only does this awesome "I Spit On Your Loli" concept deliver on basically every sleaze level, but it also has a lot of subtle touches that make it both clever and disturbing. One of my favorite examples is the fact that, before doing anything with the girl, the boss steals her doll and then puts it on a shelf filled with dozens of similar children's toys. In not even showing a single sex act they've established what a horrible man this character is, and it makes the outcome all the more fitting.

Urotsukidoji was originally serialized from 1986-1988 in Wani Magazine, and the initial OVA series distributed by Columbia Video/Penthouse ran from 1987 to 1989, with various sequels continuing on until 1996. The earliest hentai I'm aware of though was the Wonder Kids' Lolita Anime series which, despite the title, had surprisingly mature character designs in all but one, maybe two instances (never seen them, but I do own an artbook which covers a lot of the material). That ran from 1983-1984, and the Uchiyama Aki series which was animated and distributed by Nikkatsu (and had no real relation to the Wonder Kids show) picked up in early 1984 and continued until 1985. Both were based on earlier manga.

The 80's produced several other loli hentai shows, along them Lolicon Angel, various episodes of Cream Lemon, and probably another half-dozen shows I've only seen the covers for. Regardless, the attraction has grown over the years, and in the La Blue Girl Returns commentary producer Rusher Ikeda even notes that despite the character of MIDOU Miiko being older in these episodes, she looks younger than she did in the previous series.

Shinmauma - Blame Murakami Teruaki. I myself was horrified for a second or two when I saw a use of ramen I had prior only associated with boiled eggs, but Murakami has the nasty habit of over-doing his fetishes so hard (like stray pubic hairs in girls mouthes) that after a while they just seem... kinda' dumb. The man is a genius, to be sure, but I almost wish producers or someone would reign him in just enough that we aren't literally watching the same exact fetishes on every series his name is attached to. His work was more creative and inspired before he tried to emulate American gonzo porn in anime form (though admittedly, there's always been an element of that in his work).

[ape2020]

The only toddlercon material I can remember being especially fond of was Waita Uziga's manga Maichan no Nichijou (Mai-chan's Daily Life) which ends with - DON'T READ THIS! - an unborn infant pulled from Mai's womb, said infant being raped violently, and then said infant being put into a blender... I'm still amazed Mai didn't have to drink it...,


Oh yeah Waita Uziga'a stuff is way out there. I've seen Mai-chan and was enjoying this until that scene (dirty nasty Americans). Still I can't help looking at his works when I come across them. I really liked Death Panda and to me one of the few things he as done that could be 'tame' enough to be animed.

Despite the realizism in the drawing I also like works from Hiraku Machida, they seem to have a story behind them. Unfortunatly I haven't run across a translation of them.

Another one I would like to see as an anime is Tokyo Red Hood a manga series by Tamaoki Benkyo. It is about a 12 year old immortal girl who has sex with random strangers hoping one of them will kill her permanently.

-ape2020

[mrsparklenoodle]

No sir, I come from a time where in anime, Men were Men, Women were Women, both were glad of it and little kids and tweens were comic relief...

Enforcement of gender roles is actually linked to paedophillia, strongly linked. I'm pansexual, I think lolicon is appalling, in fact generally I think it strange to be attracted to cartoon characters, as you cannot guarantee they look even remotely adult, they could be tall but have a childlike face or something. Plus objectification is a bad idea, so I have no more desire to watch cartoon porn than live-action porn.

Frankly I'd probably do the latter before the former. Some people deserve to get a crowbar in the head, but no preteen deserves to get raped. Anyway...

No-one of any age deserves to get raped, and wanting to crowbar born homosapiens in the head is psychotic.

[kakugo]

No, no-one deserves to get raped ever. And yes, shoving a crowbar through someone's skull is psychotic.

Clearly you've never heard of sarcasm... :roll:

[Ty]

No, no-one deserves to get raped ever. And yes, shoving a crowbar through someone's skull is psychotic.

Clearly you've never heard of sarcasm... :roll:
This is the internet afterall. It's pretty hard to recognize sarcasm when the normal method of expression. ;)

[Isuzu Inugami]

Shinmauma - Blame Murakami Teruaki. I myself was horrified for a second or two when I saw a use of ramen I had prior only associated with boiled eggs,

Haha! Wow. And here I was thinking it was the innocent joke entry. :sd:

Actually, I don't know if I should be proud or worried that I recognized most everything from your list. I have to ask (though I may not want to know after all :P ) about gero and gokkun, although I can kind of guess the latter if it's the sound effect for swallowing....

[Chuplayer]

gokkun

I am also bewildered on that one. And unko. I know it was brought up in Tenchi GXP, but all they did to explain it was show Tenchi holding a tiny sauasge in his chopsticks. Does it really mean small penis? And what does that have to do with luck?

[mk2000]

gokkun

I am also bewildered on that one. And unko. I know it was brought up in Tenchi GXP, but all they did to explain it was show Tenchi holding a tiny sauasge in his chopsticks. Does it really mean small penis? And what does that have to do with luck?

Having bought too much stuff from J-list over the years...gokkun is a japanese onomatopoeia for the sound one makes when swallowing.

In the case of this particular Japanese AV genre (yes, whole series are devoted for this), the AV actress/actor will most likely swallow large amounts of semen from multiple partners...sometimes directly and sometimes first collected in cups, wine glasses or even specialized bowls that can be directly attached the AV actress/actor's head. :sweatdrop:

And leaving on that high note...goodnight everybody!! :neko:

[Isuzu Inugami]

And unko. I know it was brought up in Tenchi GXP, but all they did to explain it was show Tenchi holding a tiny sauasge in his chopsticks. Does it really mean small penis? And what does that have to do with luck?

No, it's kiddie talk for poop. In Japanese there are usually multiple ways to pronounce a kanji character, and I think one alternate way of reading the characters in "great luck" is "un ko." Although no one would. Because it sounds like "poop."

[akcoll99]

gokkun

I am also bewildered on that one. And unko. I know it was brought up in Tenchi GXP, but all they did to explain it was show Tenchi holding a tiny sauasge in his chopsticks. Does it really mean small penis? And what does that have to do with luck?

Gokkun is an onomatopoeia for swallowing, kind of like the English word "gulp." It is also, however, a porn genre that involves a different kind of swallowing... Wiki entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gokkun)

Unko, as has been explained to me, can mean either good luck or "feces" depending on how you spell it in Japanese. Hence the gag in Tenchi... :D

Edit: Blast, just beaten to it. :)

[cassius335]

The only toddlercon material I can remember being especially fond of was Waita Uziga's manga Maichan no Nichijou (Mai-chan's Daily Life) which ends with - DON'T READ THIS! - an unborn infant pulled from Mai's womb, said infant being raped violently, and then said infant being put into a blender... I'm still amazed Mai didn't have to drink it..., and the OVA adaptation Lolita Anime Uchiyama Aki no Omorashi Gokko, in which a loli gets raped by a parrot's beak, tries to eat some ants, pees herself constantly, is forced to poop herself, and has intergalactic sex with her ojisan and turns him into a baby before making her parents explode with her special freaky mind powers.

And... sane people make these things? (We need a "WTF" smiley here).

[Gatts]

And... sane people make these things? (We need a "WTF" smiley here).

Well Lolita Anime was Cream Lemon (early 80s) so it's only about as weird as most of the other early 80s stuff. Recent anime/hentai has been toned down considerably from what it was back in the day, but the "details" are a lot more vivid.

内山亜紀のおもらしゴッコ

Mai-chan, on the other hand, is Uziga so there isn't really much I can say in that one's defense. Uziga has a reputation and he keeps to it very well. I haven't read Mai-chan specifically, but I have read enough of his other works to know that Kakugo isn't exaggerating anything. :>

まいちゃんの日常

[cassius335]

I'm tempted to try to download the Lolita Anime one just to prove to myself such high grade crack could exist but downloading toddlercon might be crossing that thin blue line which gets me investigated by the police (and besides, my drive's kinda full)

[doink-chan]

Definitely a no for me. I like a good deal of "cute" series and have several younger girl favorite characters. I'm not attracted to them in a perverted way, though.

Same with me too, I enjoy quite a few series that have young or younger-looking female characters, and I do find some of these characters cute (Kinomoto Sakura, Mihama Chiyo, Osaka-chan, Amamiya Manabi, etc.) but doinkies isn't attracted to them in that sort of way, nor am I into that sort of stuff, so I also voted no on this poll.

[Shsway]

My answer is, "No way". Hell, even when I think a couple of underage characters should get together (or that one could go after someone already "legal"), I always imagine everyone involved aged up appropriately first.

I'm looking at you, cast of CCS!

[mrgazpacho]

I'm not a pervert; I'm a specialist.

[kakugo]

I hate to correct a Bukkake Master like yourself Gatts, but neither "Lolita Anime" series was directly connected with the Cream Lemon series to the best of my knowledge. 1983 gave us the Lolita Anime series distributed by the Wonder Kids company, which despite the provocative title wasn't all that crazy or loli-filled (though it was completely uncensored). I've never seen the episodes, but I do own an artbook full of original cel's and episode descriptions (not the same thing, but it's all I got). It was similar to Cream Lemon in that it catered to every fetish it could think of, it just wasn't nearly as wild as the yokai-filled manga shown in the back of the book that the material was (I assume) based on.

1984 started the Uchiyama Aki Lolita Anime series, which included the 2001'ed out Omorashi Gokko, as well as the less toddler-themed Miruku Nomi Ningyou and Obyouki Aki-chan. Uchiyama Aki is a manga-ka that's published dozens (if not hundreds) of erotic manga, and these OVA's were evidently adaptations of 3 of them. Sadly, I've never read any of her work so I can only assume the original is just as insane. These were distributed by Nikkatsu Video.

Remember people, never underestimate Uziga or his reputation: he is the man who gave us "Death Panda: A Love Comedy". :D

And whoever said people like Uchiyama Aki and Waita Uziga were sane? 'Cept their families, collaborators and publishers... I guess. ;)

[AbeChinchilla]

Ugh, no.

That's all.

[JCDenton]

I'm not one personally, but it doesn't really bother me that others are. If it was really that bad, Japan and America would be overrun not only by pedophile otakus, but also many other more... unspeakably radical deviants :sd:

[Leon_Belmont]

No I'm just a regular pervert.

[ape2020]

Remember people, never underestimate Uziga or his reputation: he is the man who gave us "Death Panda: A Love Comedy". :D

Hey, hey I liked Death Panda and feel its one of the few Uziga's works that would be great animated. Better then the Gates of Hell which was just freakin gross. :( :( :(

-ape2020

[perpetualrei]

I dont feel any sexual attraction for them, but they are so darn cute I love the shows that contain them.

[GrateSaiyaman]

This reminds me of an old song by the Kinks . .
Art Lover . . .

:roll:

[tyciol]

Shinmauma - Blame Murakami Teruaki. I myself was horrified for a second or two when I saw a use of ramen I had prior only associated with boiled eggs, but Murakami has the nasty habit of over-doing his fetishes so hard (like stray pubic hairs in girls mouthes) that after a while they just seem... kinda' dumb.These aren't my fetishes and I would have tried to avoid such things in years past, but hearing about it makes me so freakin' curious that I want to see them, lol.

Maybe it's like "would seeing it make me hate it, would I not care? or would I get a fetish from watching it?"

Sometimes I wonder if part of it is people are petrified of the idea of fetishizing odd things (armpits for example) that they won't even consider looking at in in case they don't hate it.

[something]

These aren't my fetishes and I would have tried to avoid such things in years past, but hearing about it makes me so freakin' curious that I want to see them, lol.
Four and half years? This has to be a necrobumping record. :sd:

[Ingraman]

Four and half years? This has to be a necrobumping record. :sd:
Heh... I saw the thread title, and I was thinking "I don't remember this thread. How did it get to 110 posts so quickly?" ^^;

[Damius]

Four and half years? This has to be a necrobumping record. :sd:
Heh... I saw the thread title, and I was thinking "I don't remember this thread. How did it get to 110 posts so quickly?" ^^;

I had the exact same reaction... Then I realized wait I register in July 2007 and the las post of this thread was in June 2007, that's why!

[touma]

These aren't my fetishes and I would have tried to avoid such things in years past, but hearing about it makes me so freakin' curious that I want to see them, lol.
Four and half years? This has to be a necrobumping record. :sd:

Well, it is nice to see the forum get a new member.:P
Seriously, tyciol, welcome to the forums.:)

[Fencedude]

I remember this thread.

...I really didn't want to remember this thread. Why did you make me remember this thread?

[Ingraman]

I remember this thread.

...I really didn't want to remember this thread. Why did you make me remember this thread?

For those of us who didn't participate, could you please write up a nice, long, detailed summary of what we've missed? ;p

[strangefour]

I remember this thread.

...I really didn't want to remember this thread. Why did you make me remember this thread?

For those of us who didn't participate, could you please write up a nice, long, detailed summary of what we've missed? ;p

Ancient spirits of weeaboo, transform this out of shape form into Pedobear the ecchi lolicon!

*cough*

[Orochimaru]

This used to be a poll, right? Why is there no poll now?

[superdry]

Skimming this thread reminded me of one of the OreImo radio shows where Ayana Taketatsu talks about lolis.

Ayana Taketatsu and Hana Kanazawa talk about lolis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4z4O_NGHlI&feature=related)

It's a rather humorous listen.

[HitokiriShadow]

This used to be a poll, right? Why is there no poll now?

The forum software has been changed two or three times since the thread was made. At some point, the data for at least some pre-existing polls must have gotten wiped out in the process.

[Orochimaru]

This used to be a poll, right? Why is there no poll now?

The forum software has been changed two or three times since the thread was made. At some point, the data for at least some pre-existing polls must have gotten wiped out in the process.

Damn, I was so curious!

[Shiroi Hane]

Heh... I saw the thread title, and I was thinking "I don't remember this thread. How did it get to 110 posts so quickly?" ^^;
I thought that. Then I saw the age. Then I saw who bumped it - and it suddenly all made sense.

[zalder]

Well staying away from this thread like the plague glad I missed what ever caused this...I would have ticked off everyone left on the site..

[something]

Well staying away from this thread like the plague
You say while posting in it.

Protip: posting about how you're not going to post because everyone already knows you'd say stupid shit is nearly as annoying as just posting said stupid shit.

[Suwako Moriya]

Skimming this thread reminded me of one of the OreImo radio shows where Ayana Taketatsu talks about lolis.

Ayana Taketatsu and Hana Kanazawa talk about lolis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4z4O_NGHlI&feature=related)

It's a rather humorous listen.

Wow, the fact it lead to that being linked makes me sort of feel that earlier bump had a higher purpose.

As for the whole subject of the thread. I'm not going to lie. I do find some younger girls in anime attractive and the same goes for some older girls. Up to a certain point of course.

I also have a thing for older girls that are short for their age and younger girls that are tall for their age. Figure that out.

I could pretend I have no attraction to younger females and pretend to be above it all, but given my pasts posts, no one would buy it.

On a final note, I treat fantasy and reality a bit differently. It's sort of like how I like beating up stuff in RPGs, but I'm not trying to kill stuff in real life. Now if real life gave EXP....

[strangefour]

Well staying away from this thread like the plague
You say while posting in it.

Protip: posting about how you're not going to post because everyone already knows you'd say stupid shit is nearly as annoying as just posting said stupid shit.

Says the man posting in a thread about lolicons. Pot. Kettle. Black... oh shit, that's me now too. DAMN YOU ALL AND YOUR TINY JAPANESE GIRLS!

[something]

Well staying away from this thread like the plague
You say while posting in it.

Protip: posting about how you're not going to post because everyone already knows you'd say stupid shit is nearly as annoying as just posting said stupid shit.

Says the man posting in a thread about lolicons. Pot. Kettle. Black... oh shit, that's me now too. DAMN YOU ALL AND YOUR TINY JAPANESE GIRLS!

That made no sense whatsoever. Anyway you're not familiar with zaldar and his bullshit, so I'll forgive you.

[Doom86]

On a final note, I treat fantasy and reality a bit differently. It's sort of like how I like beating up stuff in RPGs, but I'm not trying to kill stuff in real life.

THIS. I don't consider anime characters to be real people. Therefore, anyone persecuting one for being attracted to "underage" drawings is being ridiculous IMHO. By that logic, everyone who has ever played a Grand Theft Auto game should be arrested for mass murder, theft, etc. :rolleyes: As long as one's attraction or such never carries over to the real world, there's nothing wrong with it and those who do carry it over to the real world are the very rare exception and not the rule.

Now, that being said, I'm attracted to virtually no loli characters. There are a few exceptions, but they are generally mature for their age and are actually in high school anyway (due to the author just choosing to draw "loli"-style anyway. Lucky Star being the most mind-boggling example as the characters are now in college!). If people are attracted to loli anime characters though, fine, whatever floats their boat, you know? And I find PLENTY of teenage anime characters attractive (but once again, it's a drawing and not a real teenager, and their 18+ version will probably look virtually the same anyway) and read/watch plenty of doujin/hentai with them in it. If that makes a pervert in someone's eyes, whatever, personally I feel less perverted enjoying the sight of a fictional character as opposed to some strange woman I've never met and am not in a relationship with. Not judging those who do watch live-action porn, but I'm just saying acting like watching/reading hentai/doujin is somehow "not acceptable" compared to that is idiotic as far as I'm concerned.