GitS-SAC: Solid State Society 11pm PST on Sci-Fi channel june-11-07 (Ani-Monday)

[treatment]

fyi.

Start of Ani-Monday at Sci-Fi channel with uber-kewl anime:

Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex - Solid State Society (http://www.animeondvd.com/reviews2/disc_reviews/6125.php).

The Major's expecting you.

:cool:

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Oh man. I loled at the blurred out robo-nurse ass.

Though they DO seem to be wearing thongs.

[zaldar]

well it was definitly interesting. I didn't like it as much as the other two movies, still it did get into some of the cool philosophical stuff toward the end. What did every one else think?

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What did every one else think?

Head -> Explode

[zaldar]

heh well it wouldn't have been a ghost in the shell movie if it didn't have that effect ;).

I so love an anime that makes me go to my dictionary. For everyone else:
Gestalt: in Gestalt psychology any of the integrated structures or patterns that make up all experience and have specific properties which can neither be derived from the elements of the whole nor considered simply as the sum of these elements.

Gestalt Psychology: a school of pshchology, developed in Germany, which affirms that all experience consists of gestalten and that the response of an organism to a situation is a complete and unanalyzable whole rather than a sum of the responses to specific elements in the situation.

Ok how do we add spoilers to posts now I can get it to make it black unless you highlight it...

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Ok how do we add spoilers to posts now I can get it to make it black unless you highlight it...


[ hide ]Spoiler here[ /hide ]

without the spaces

[Lego]

Oh man. I loled at the blurred out robo-nurse ass.

Though they DO seem to be wearing thongs.


Sci Fi still blurs it out? I remember a loooooooong time ago where Sci Fi had Galaxy Express 999 on and they blurred out ass as well. Still that helped push me into anime, so kudos to Sci Fi.

[DKL]

The ending was pretty solid for this one...

From what I could make out:

It seems like the Major was the puppeteer person after all (and it happened because of some stuff that arose from her subconscious after multiple synchronyzations with other people combined with her disillusionment with "da system")... well, this is after they tried jerking me off by having it seem like it was Kuse.

I was also pretty into the whole abduction scenario that was setup (by the system that was integrated into the building) in order to get abused kids out of their homes and into proper education (all the while covering this up by having those... old quasi-dead people pose as the parents).

Anyway... yeah, it might've flown over my head (especially since it's late and I actually just came off my very long marathon of THE SHIELD *seasons 2-5*) and I might need to see this again, but it's my favorite extension of the Stand Alone Complex universe so far...

I approve.

[Teiresias]

It was a major (so to speak) battle of will against desire not to watch this. I've got it preordered, and I'd prefer to watch the DVD version in Japanese first.

My hands are still shakin' though, and the veins stand out on the forehead...

[treatment]

Oh man. I loled at the blurred out robo-nurse ass.

Though they DO seem to be wearing thongs.


Sci Fi still blurs it out? I remember a loooooooong time ago where Sci Fi had Galaxy Express 999 on and they blurred out ass as well. Still that helped push me into anime, so kudos to Sci Fi.

Yeah. It was stupidly funny on SciFi-channel's part. I'm not sure why they even bothered to edit those scenes.

Dunno if they're gonna re-broadcast SSS, but here's the schedule for next week's show:

http://www.scifi.com/anime/

[Lego]

Usually it's either due to the time slot or they felt like they had to cut it out. I'm glad that they just ended up blurring it though instead of pulling a CN and adding digital pants.

[treatment]

nah.

SciFi-channel's just being their usual moronic selves.

[zaldar]

I think you are right that is what I got out of it as well. Very interesting and

that it was still around and was going to make some sort of new society. I was afraid they were not going to have any of the philosophical stuff that made me like the other shows glad they did.

Of the various incarnations which is closest to the Manga? Surley not the first Ghost in the Shell Movie as I can't see him getting rid of a character that quickly.

[DKL]

Nah, actually, I think that they're gonna toss that system thing... or were they?

How much does Aramaki know again? I can't remmeber.

*given that it seems like he didn't overhear the entire conversation... since he wasn't hooked up like Batou was, I mean*

But yeah, they're not quite sure what they're going to do with the issue

(as there are like 17,000 more missing kids with different foster parents who got out before that... what's his face dude... the guy who the "puppeteer" was gonna take out... well, some kids got out before he started his self-profit brainwashing scheme.

Yeah, a second viewing will probably clear up some things for me...

[Dicrel Seijin]

I found this one to be one of the most accessible incarnations of the franchise. I actually understood everything at one go. O.O

Gestalt: in Gestalt psychology any of the integrated structures or patterns that make up all experience and have specific properties which can neither be derived from the elements of the whole nor considered simply as the sum of these elements.

For those whose heads have exploded yet again, here's how it was explained to me years ago...an airplane is a gestalt. Looking at all the disassembled pieces of an airplane one can expect certain things: flight not being one of them. A fully assembled airplane, however, has additional properties now: flight, carrying capacity, etc.

It seems like the Major was the puppeteer person after all (and it happened because of some stuff that arose from her subconscious after multiple synchronyzations with other people combined with her disillusionment with "da system")... well, this is after they tried jerking me off by having it seem like it was Kuse.

I remember one comment from her, that it seemed that she could only operate two bodies simultaneously. That's what got me thinking....

I was also pretty into the whole abduction scenario that was setup (by the system that was integrated into the building) in order to get abused kids out of their homes and into proper education (all the while covering this up by having those... old quasi-dead people pose as the parents).[/hide]

This does bring up the rather prickly question of: do the ends ever justify the means?

Oh, and before I continue, DKL, a correction: the quasi-dead old people do not provide a cover only, but upon their deaths, their foster kids will inherit all their wealth and not just be well-educated, but also well off.

With the exception of Muneh's interference and changing of education to re-education/brainwashing, I would approve of the system. My only tweak would be since the nursing net was plugged into and monitoring the reports on incidents of abuse, to wait until the child was taken from the abusive parents and placed into the system, before matching the child to one of the "noble rot" senior citizens. I realize that the system did mention that 3K of these kids died needlessly, so I would say, rather than subverting the parents, cyberhack the judicial authorities and have them remove the child from the parens' custody earlier. This however is speculation as I only know a little about the Japanese judicial system in a fictional future. :sd:

Putting ethics and morality aside, it is a logical choice (now I know why Vulcans can never be ship captains in Starfleet).

[DKL]

Oh yeah, "Noble rot"... which... sort of implies that they're rich, right?

Makes sense.

As for the thing about having the authorities do it:

Well, the system was sort of illegal anyway... so I guess brainwashing the parents was a better option as opposed to overly trying to make it seem like it was legally done (it would... probably raise eyebrows or something if it passed through like that *as it would leave some kinda solid trail*... but, who knows? Let's just say that, in the context of the situation, it was the best way to do it... or that hacking the authorities was harder...)

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Anyway... I'm interested in seeing more Kamiyama GITS, but I'd actually prefer it either be 13 episodes or a movie...

[Dicrel Seijin]

As for the thing about having the authorities do it:

Well, the system was sort of illegal anyway... so I guess brainwashing the parents was a better option as opposed to overly trying to make it seem like it was legally done (it would... probably raise eyebrows or something if it passed through like that *as it would leave some kinda solid trail*... but, who knows? Let's just say that, in the context of the situation, it was the best way to do it... or that hacking the authorities was harder...)

No, I agree hacking the parents' cyber brains is a lot easier. I'm assuming government officials have a bit more security than the average citizen.

It just all seems shades of gray when you find out that the children are going back to their abusive parents. Yes, their cyber brains have been wiped, so that neither child nor parent can remember one another, but still that seems to be the least satisfactory conclusion.

Philosophy aside, it was awesome seeing the Major in action again and she even brought along the Tachikomas. One interesting thing I noticed when I had the CC on was that the Tachikomas were always referred to as Fuchikomas. (And yes, I know the difference between the two, :) the close-captioner evidently didn't. :sigh: )

[DKL]

Hey, you watch with CC subs too?

Awesome...

But yeah, what's funny (and a little interesting) is that they actually confused Tachikomas with Fuchikomas...

...

I mean, you'd think that they'd just be listening to the dialogue or something.

Also, for some reason, the word "Christian" was in the captions... I was like: "Huh?"

[Dicrel Seijin]

It was late at night, so I had the volume down to 1 so I wouldn't disturb anyone and I had the CC on just to make sure I wouldn't miss anything.

The oddest error that I saw was "Rise Zone" instead of "Rhizome." It was odd because the Major is explaining what it is as a virtual representation animates, and I'm thinking that's the rhizome structure you would find beneath a bamboo forest. But I guess that can be forgiven as it is a bit esoteric.... :sd:

[Solbrain]

From what I could make out:

It seems like the Major was the puppeteer person after all (and it happened because of some stuff that arose from her subconscious after multiple synchronyzations with other people combined with her disillusionment with "da system")... well, this is after they tried jerking me off by having it seem like it was Kuse..

Consider for a moment that the Major was indirectly involved. Rather, one of her "Identities" decided to go "Project 2501" and start running amok.

Then again, I think that rogue money-making program from the episode ¥€$ might have been it. After all, the SSS "entity" did make an arguement that by abducting children and placing them with old folks, that the child stands to inherit the old folks fortune. Since it was maybe 4 or 5 years after Section 9 first encountered it, it could've "changed" during that time and felt "Robin Hood" with wealth.

[Dicrel Seijin]

Then again, I think that rogue money-making program from the episode ¥€$ might have been it. After all, the SSS "entity" did make an arguement that by abducting children and placing them with old folks, that the child stands to inherit the old folks fortune. Since it was maybe 4 or 5 years after Section 9 first encountered it, it could've "changed" during that time and felt "Robin Hood" with wealth.

I don't see a basis in this second theory. After all, that program while autonomous, was not sentient to the point of self-awareness.

Your first point, and the theory that everyone subscribes to, is it. The revelation about who and what the Puppeteer are come at the end and is fairly definitive. There's no real room for speculation. And besides, since Gits:SAC:SSS is supposed to lead up to the first GitS OVA, we all should know what happens next.

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And besides, since Gits:SAC:SSS is supposed to lead up to the first GitS OVA, we all should know what happens next.


What?

Since when?

[Dicrel Seijin]

And besides, since Gits:SAC:SSS is supposed to lead up to the first GitS OVA, we all should know what happens next.


What?

Since when?


Er, well, since at the end of the first OVA, the Major technically doesn't exist anymore, it would make it a little difficult to continue from that point.

IIRC, the series creators decided to make prequels, SAC, 2ndGig, and SSS all pre-date the first OVA. I can't remember where I watched this, but to narrow it down for you, it's an extra in one of theSAC volumes, an interview.

I remembering them mentioning that they had to change the character of Aramaki. In the OVA, Aramaki is ready to retire and if you watch the three series, you can see how he gets to that point in the first OVA. In fact, remember that conversation with Batou in the parked car in the garage (in SSS)?

Another is the Major herself. At the end of 2ndGig, she had left Section 9, SSS had to set up how she comes back to head Section 9. SSS is the bridge between 2ndGig and the first OVA. This bit I remember reading in a transcript of an interview with I can't remember who, he was speaking about the plot for SSS. The Major had to come back, otherwise continuity would be screwed.

And don't forget, in SSS, she faces the Puppeteer and then in the first OVA, she finally joins with it.

I've realized I've said a lot, but probably have not explained this well. Little help? :sd:

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...by "OVA" you mean the original movie, right?

They aren't even in the same continuity, so I don't see why you are trying to link them.

[Dicrel Seijin]

...by "OVA" you mean the original movie, right?

Yes, I mean the original movie.

They aren't even in the same continuity, so I don't see why you are trying to link them.


Because I thought they were in the same continuity. :sd: I'm not being snarky or anything, I honestly thought these were prequels.

This'll be my last reply to this thread until i get home and watch my DVDs. Whether my memory is wrong or right, I'll post.

[Fencedude]

Yes, I mean the original movie.

Any particular reason you were calling it an OVA?


Because I thought they were in the same continuity. :sd: I'm not being snarky or anything, I honestly thought these were prequels.

This'll be my last reply to this thread until i get home and watch my DVDs. Whether my memory is wrong or right, I'll post.

Everything I've heard places the SAC shows in a third continuity, seperate from the manga (containing Ghost in the Shell and Man-Machine Interface) and the movies (Containing Ghost in the Shell and Innocence)

Now, that could change, but as of yet there is nothing to demonstrate that this is not the case.

[Dicrel Seijin]

Okay. You're right. I'm wrong. :sd:

I fast-forwarded through the SAC extras and while I found a lot about people speaking about the differences in the characters, from original movie to the TV series. Having to really pay attention to them, I can see where I made assumptions I should have not. :sigh:

[Solbrain]

Okay. You're right. I'm wrong. :sd:

I fast-forwarded through the SAC extras and while I found a lot about people speaking about the differences in the characters, from original movie to the TV series. Having to really pay attention to them, I can see where I made assumptions I should have not. :sigh:

Yeesh, at least be patient. Alot of stuff you have to take from the stuff.

[zaldar]

Okay. You're right. I'm wrong. :sd:

I fast-forwarded through the SAC extras and while I found a lot about people speaking about the differences in the characters, from original movie to the TV series. Having to really pay attention to them, I can see where I made assumptions I should have not. :sigh:

Yeesh, at least be patient. Alot of stuff you have to take from the stuff.



Wow that made no sense....

So which of the two continuities is closest to the manga continuity?

[treatment]

Okay. You're right. I'm wrong. :sd:

I fast-forwarded through the SAC extras and while I found a lot about people speaking about the differences in the characters, from original movie to the TV series. Having to really pay attention to them, I can see where I made assumptions I should have not. :sigh:

Yeesh, at least be patient. Alot of stuff you have to take from the stuff.



Wow that made no sense....

So which of the two continuities is closest to the manga continuity?

None.

They're all parallel/separate-continuities.

It is really best NOT to try to link up any of them together.

[Shsway]

Damn it, THIS is what I missed on Monday?

*Growls and pouts*