School Days

[azudai45]

In honor of the new anime based on h-game, School Days, I created a few things for it,but I really want to know, which ending would you all like to see?

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l73/azudai45/SchoolDays5.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l73/azudai45/SchoolDays2.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l73/azudai45/SchoolDays1.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l73/azudai45/SchoolDays4.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l73/azudai45/SchoolDays3.jpg

[Fencedude]

By all reports School Days is only really notable for being a (more or less) fully animated H Game, and for the ludicrously bloody BAD ENDS.

So BAD END all the way here!

[Nork22]

I would like to see both girls telling the lead that they are pregnant with his child and they will start up a polygyny. If that doesn't work, what's her name, the spunky one that sets him up with the shy girl, should get the guy.

[beatmania]

<---- They just need a lot of Setsuna.

[Lego]

Something tells me that the ero version of this will be better. Still though it always looked kind of interesting outside the sex scenes.

[HitokiriShadow]

All I know about the game is that it has some ridiculously bloody deaths. That's what I want to see in this anime. There are plenty of other romances with happy endings, so I'd like something different and a bit more bloody.

[SnowfairyX]

"Bad End" all the way. I wouldn't have been interested in the show otherwise if I didn't think it would have that kind of potential. By the way, does anyone know if the show is going to be broken up into "arcs" with either a good or a bad end at the end of each, similar to Higurashi, or is it just going to be the traditional linear type of storytelling with one path?

[Suwako Moriya]

When I first heard about School Days the main thing people were hyping up was the bad ending to the point I was convinced that the entire game boiled down to really bad stuff happening. It was not until later I found those were just bad endings and the game had other type of endings too.

As for what type of ending I want? I can't really say. Simply because while bloody endings can be a change of pace. Gore for the sake gore is not something I'd ever enjoy. So if School Days is like that... Plus there is the whole weak stomach thing. Like with "When They Cry", I'll probably end up reading comments for the most part rather than watching.

[relentlessflame]

"Bad End" all the way. I wouldn't have been interested in the show otherwise if I didn't think it would have that kind of potential. By the way, does anyone know if the show is going to be broken up into "arcs" with either a good or a bad end at the end of each, similar to Higurashi, or is it just going to be the traditional linear type of storytelling with one path?
It'll almost definitely be a linear path. Whatever ending you get in the game just depends on the choices you make along the way (typical branching path system), so it wouldn't make very much sense to reset the anime to start over and tell different stories. They'll probably just focus on the core triangle, and develop some of the side characters a bit. As such, it's really unlikely that we'll get one of the bad endings, unless they're really going for something different.

As I often say, the bad endings in School Days are way overblown. It isn't what the game's about, and there's no gore in the sequel. It does show that shock value is one sure-fire way to get free PR, though, and the reputation sticks forever. :sd:

[Splitter]

Vengeful psychotic bloodshed makes everything better!

*roots for BAD END*

[LelouchLamperouge]

Wow. I was reading up on the game and anime recently, I want a bloody ending - something disgustingly bad, like, no happy ending! (Does that make me a dangerous person..?)

I'll look forward to this series getting licensed. I don't have any other means of getting to watch it, so that's when I'll get to it.

I'm very intrigued by the series plot and synopsis.

[beatmania]

If the audience doesn't know already, the glass-shattering effect in the OP shows that everything will not be hunky-dory.
Animation is so so...way too many dumb Makoto moments.
Script is taken from game, so are the episode titles.
Need more Setsuna.

[Jadawin]

I read somewhere that Makoto is one of the most hated male game/anime characters ever, and it seems that he's already showing a little bit of that in episode 2 where he first screws up the date (tries to force a kiss among other things) with Kotonoha and then tells her that it was all Sekais fault. What an ass.

He finally gets his kiss at the end. And Sekai who was secretly watching them is shocked. Since we're only at episode 2, it's obvious that she hasn't given up on him, so that kiss probably won't discourage here. At least not completely.

This show gives me KGNE vibes. Interesting indeed.

[HitokiriShadow]

Sekai is awesome, even if her name is a little odd.

And now I finally know who bemani's avatar is. Yeah, I want to see more of her too.

[golthin]

I read somewhere that Makoto is one of the most hated male game/anime characters ever, and it seems that he's already showing a little bit of that in episode 2 where he first screws up the date (tries to force a kiss among other things) with Kotonoha and then tells her that it was all Sekais fault. What an ass.

He finally gets his kiss at the end. And Sekai who was secretly watching them is shocked. Since we're only at episode 2, it's obvious that she hasn't given up on him, so that kiss probably won't discourage here. At least not completely.

This show gives me KGNE vibes. Interesting indeed.
Sekai REALLY gets me Angry! The guy is a completely moron, but she loves him so much she wants to grant himhis wish, nothing forced ever comes to anything good. The guy is completely inept. The best thing he did in episode 2 was getting rid of the "How to" book.

I wish Sekai will just let him crash land on his own so he can learn, that is part of the process of growing. Of course, Sekai is also a high school student looking at all from what she want a man to do for her.

Of course if Sekai was a real highschool student she wouldn't be helping the man she loves get with another woman, Only in anime!

[Buster Blader 126]

*reads thread*

I already thought that this series was right up my alley, but with the supposed bloody bad endings that I'm hearing, I'm definitely going to check this out.

If it's anything like KgNE, then I have a feeling that I'm going to end up really liking this series.

[beatmania]

Yea! Makoto finally shows his sluttiness. Whore it up Makoto!

And even though they can't show any H scenes, they can full reproduce the sound :)

Hopefully Sekai will get some Makoto lovin'. The more the messier :P

[pianocello]

And even though they can't show any H scenes, they can full reproduce the sound :)



Don't think anyone here has mentioned but: Nipples have been spotted in the OP.

[Buster Blader 126]

I finally got around to watching episode 1, and it was fairly average. Main characters are introduced, token "friend" was introduced, etc.

Though confessing in the very first episode was a little odd. It's not too uncommon, but I was a little surprised. I definitely liked that little twist in the end, though. :>

It's going to be fun seeing how this develops. At least I think it will.

[dasboot]

Well it looks like this could get very racy...nudity in the OP, Sekai doing something with Kotonoha in ep 2...I wonder how close they'll actually get to the explicit nature of the game.

Either way would anyone consider licensing this as I don't think it could exactly be targeted at the mainstream American anime audience eg the 15 - 18 demographic due to the adult nature of what's being discussed. This isn't a "nice" school romance folks!

-dasboot

[ibby]

I know I'm a bit late, but I manged to watch episode 1 on the weekend end, and good to see the train wreak starting already. :> I haven't choosen which girl to cheer for yet, becuase it's early days, but most likely I think that there will be no happyness for any of the 3 leads, by the end.

[beatmania]

Is this going to be 13 or 26 eps?

[Ty]

Is this going to be 13 or 26 eps?
The usual sites all list it as 6, which really doesn't sound right obviously.

[rg4619]

12 episodes of School Days are slated.

6 is in reference to the original number of game chapters. For whatever reason, people keep calling the demo movie (which covers Chapter 1 of the game) an ONA.

[Jadawin]

You know, Setsuna really has unusual methods at her disposal for helping out her friends. :>

I begin to understand why she's so popular and why she's the main heroine in Summer Days. :)

A friend of mine recently got the game, so we spent Friday night to play through one route. Our goal was clearly to get to one of the happy endings with Sekai, since she seems to be the most normal one out of the bunch. Without any backstabbing/killing/betrayal/despair/etc. We were wondering if that was even possible.

About the game and the route we played:
We always ignored Kotonoha and just kept choosing the choices which filled up Sekais affection bar.

In the end we got the good end with Setsuna flying to Paris and Makoto staying with Sekai (as a couple). No idea if that's the best one, but it was cute.
About Setsunas "unusual methods"? Well, as far as we understood it, she made Sekai believe that Makoto had slept with her by making photos of both lying naked in Makotos bed. The thing is that we first thought that it had really happened, but you don't see them "doing it", just the photo which is sent to Sekai. Why all the trouble? Sekai's mother had to move away (due to work?) and wanted to take her daughter with her. Either Setsuna wanted to test Sekais love for Makoto or help her forget him to avoid the pain of not seeing him anymore.
Setsuna might have feelings for Makoto, but she didn't betray her best friend. Makes me wonder why Makoto agreed to all this.

Since this is a fairly evil game, of course not everybody ends up happy. Kotonoha is bullied and then, feeling lonely, agrees to go out with one of Makotos classmate, an absolute asshole. I wonder if it's possible to help her our (as a friend) without breaking up with Sekai, but when we tried that once (thus filling up her affection bar a little bit), the game immediately started to involve another girl.
I guess there is no room for normal "happy ends for everybody" after all.

[Buster Blader 126]

I read somewhere that Makoto is one of the most hated male game/anime characters ever, and it seems that he's already showing a little bit of that in episode 2 where he first screws up the date (tries to force a kiss among other things) with Kotonoha and then tells her that it was all Sekai's fault. What an ass.

He finally gets his kiss at the end. And Sekai who was secretly watching them is shocked. Since we're only at episode 2, it's obvious that she hasn't given up on him, so that kiss probably won't discourage her. At least not completely.

This show gives me KGNE vibes. Interesting indeed.

I have to agree. I really felt like smacking him in the head when he puckered up.

The episode also showed some of Makoto's aggressive qualities. I also remember seeing something like this in Episode 1, when he pushed Sekai against the fence.

At the moment, I'm also unsure who to root for. Kotonoha is the immediate favourite out of the two, as I like the shy type. Though it's really fun watching Sekai too, and I really like how she talks with Makoto with her tone of voice. It kind of reminds me of how Asa talks to Rin in Shuffle!.

[Teiresias]

At the moment, I'm also unsure who to root for. Kotonoha is the immediate favourite out of the two, as I like the shy type. Though it's really fun watching Sekai too, and I really like how she talks with Makoto with her tone of voice. It kind of reminds me of how Asa talks to Rin in Shuffle!.


I was in a quandry over this to, until Kotonoha stepped out of the tub, after which, everything has become clear... Kotonoha for the win! :>

[beatmania]

All that work just because kotonoha wouldn't put out. Hurry up and dtb! :>

[Buster Blader 126]

I was in a quandry over this to, until Kotonoha stepped out of the tub, after which, everything has become clear... Kotonoha for the win! :>

You're not serious, are you? XD :P

Anyways, I finally watched Episode three, and overall, the episode was pretty harmless.

Except for that last line, of course. :angry:

All that work just because kotonoha wouldn't put out. Hurry up and dtb! :>

dtb? What does that mean? Dump that bitch?

[beatmania]

Bingo.
Of course Makoto is a slut so he won't refuse any poon that is offered to him.

[something]

So let's see what way this ones goes and how much I can stomach if it goes BAD END. If they do go BAD END, I sort of wish now that I hadn't seen those gifs, as the impact will be lessened.

Episode 1:

- Pretty standard beginning, boy meets girl kinda stuff. Makoto develops a thing for Kotonona, becomes friends with a cheery busybody named Sekai, she seems to want to help him get with Kotonoha (though I'm sure she loves him too), and a mysterious girl named Setsuna stares at hom from the distance...
- Hah, there go the first hints of something darker. Makoto gets pretty angry and rough with Sekai when he thinks she's told someone else about his feelings for Kotonoha.
- And Setsuna is looking more than a little scary. Undoubtedly she thinks her friend Sekai is moving in on the guy she likes (and she's probably right, though Sekai doesn't realize it herself yet).
- Kotonoha is really cute, and of course, a bad cook =P The lunch Sekai set up is a little awkward, but I think it's mostly Makoto being an annoyingly cliche lead. Really, really annoying. Don't like his voice either. I really hope he improves... OR DIES.
- He's already going to confess to her tomorrow? Hah, so Sekai is going to hate herself, Setsuna is going to hate Sekai, and Kotonoha is probably going to hate both of them when she sees that Makoto is close to Sekai. And all the while, Makoto will flail about like a retard.
- He confesses, she accepts. This is moving ridiculously fast. Sekai talks to him about it on the train platform after school, and when he offers to do anything to pay her back in thanks, she... just leans right in and makes out with him :sd: I'm shocked that Kotonoha didn't pop in and see it.

Ep 1 was pretty generic, but it's definitely set up for BAD END :sd:

Also, it just occurred to me that it might not be Makoto Setsuna is into, but... Sekai? Oh shit that would be awesome XD Won't hold my breath, but I still want it.


Episode 2:

- Er, what kind of guy looks at magazines with chicks in lingerie when he's in the middle of a date? Makoto, you dork.
- Makoto acts like a loser the whole date, and at the end stands there leering over her waiting for a kiss until the train doors shut on him. She just looks after the train with the face of someone who had all her illusions shattered.
- Sekai tears him a new one for his idiotic behavior on the date. When he brings up the sudden kiss she gave him, she gets flustered trying to explain it away :sd:
- Sekai gives Makoto two tickets to a movie to use with Kotonoha. Setsuna gets pissed, because she knows Sekai really wanted to use them to go with Makoto herself... Setsuna is an annnnnnnnngry little girl.
- Kotonoha in the bath... jiggle o_O Damn she's hot. Why is she wasting her time in a tard like Makoto? Gah he annoys me hugely.
- Haha, she wanted to see the zombie movie... he assumes she wants the romance, and they watch that without even asking her opinion :sd: The movie is pretty much a parallel to their love triangle, as they note.
- And Makoto fucks up again. I want to like this show but he's suuuuuuuch a horribly stereotypical clueless male lead that it's absolutely ruining things so far. Arrrrrrrrrgh, haaaaaaaaate him!!
- At least the notes being passed back and forth are fun. Makoto tries to make up with Kotonoha, but gets intercepted by Katou, an old friend of his. I wonder if she's going to go crazy too?
- Kotonoha takes to avoiding Makoto, and Sekai confronts her about it. Also, fondles her boobs. She tries to get Kotonoha to see it from Makoto's perspective.
- As they finish talking, Kotonoha thinks she understands Makoto a little better, but she also seems to confirm her suspicion that Sekai likes him as well. Dun dun dunnnnn~
- So she agrees to see it from his view, and that apparently means making out with him.


Episode 3:

- Kotonoha = hot. Kokoro = cute. Also, wtf at pseudo-nipples in the OP XD
- Ok, Sekai sitting on a separate bench eating by herself while Kotonoha and Makoto sit together and chat away on another just seems oddly disturbing to me. It's like she's some sort of third wheel voyeur or something. Though it's Kotonoha who might be feeling like the third wheel, with how well Makoto and Sekai get along.
- Enter a new girl, who stares at Kotonoha and Makoto as they stand next to each other on the train... I get "gonna kill that woman for not appreciating the guy I like" vibes from her.
- Haha what the hell is Sekai wearing? What is her job exactly? XD
- So far Setsuna is doing nothing but staring angrily at... well everything.
- Ah, cute loop-hair girl is one of Sekai's friends. She was probably giving Makoto and Kotonoha a dirty look because she thought Makoto was cheating on Sekai :sd:
- Oh, and Sekai just works at a restaurant. Thats
- Hah, all this talk about visiting Kotonoha's house was just to see her little sister, I knew it! He's got her in his lap already! Makoto you pedo! Now she's riding him! For shame, for shame!
- Haha Kokoro rules. "Onii-chan, why do you call my sister 'Katsura'?" (as opposed to Kotonoha) - and they get awkwardly silent, while Kokoro just stares and chomps away like she's watching a movie XD
- They finally agree to call each other by their given names as she's walking him to the station. She gives him a goodbye kiss on the platform (on the cheek though) as his train is coming. When he gets back he talks to Sekai again, notes that it went well, but then says that being with Kotonoha is... tiring.

It would just figure that he's starting to come off his Kotonoha high just as she's getting more and more into him. Drama angst and chaos, here we come. I will note that he improved in this episode. I didn't want to rip his head off or anything, unlike the first two episodes. I think he's finally settling the hell down a little, but we'll see how long that lasts.

[HitokiriShadow]

I will note that he improved in this episode. I didn't want to rip his head off or anything, unlike the first two episodes.

Really? I wanted to punch him when he decided to go on a first name basis with his girlfriend's sister before his actual girlfriend.

[something]

Really? I wanted to punch him when he decided to go on a first name basis with his girlfriend's sister before his actual girlfriend.
I'm of the understanding that it's a cultural thing, they you're more likely to go first name with younger children than your peers? That and if he didn't he'd be referring to them both as Katsura.

[Illusion]

Just watched episode 4...for all the previous eps, I've just felt that Makoto was a little pathetic, but this ep has really made me dislike him. Not only did hetouch Kotonoha in places she wasn't comfortable yet (during school hours, no less), but he actually got annoyed at her for minding?!! And then proceeded to act like a jerk to her the next day? :roll: . I'm going for Sekai, but I can't help but feel bad for Kotonoha.

[StudioZEL]

Can I punch this guy? Can I? Please?

I really want to punch this guy in his stupid fakey insensative face!

I also want to slap both of the girls and tell them that this dochebag isn't worth their trouble and they should get down on each other instead.

...

...

...that's not personal desire coming out. Really.

:virgin: :virgin: :virgin: :> :>

[lambda-driver]

This show has been awesome! I've loved it since episode 1.

I want to smack the hell out of Makoto he's got a beautiful girlfriend and he's a prick who isn't taking the time to get to know her or understand her he wants sex and then to do his own thing!

The "date" was stupid as hell who the BLEEP looks at girlie mags on a date!

I've loved the show and now that everything is starting to pick up and all the stuff that happened in episode 4 I think it's going to be very interesting to watch from here on out.

I really really hope they don't use any of the ending stuff from the game though let it run it's own course or something at least i hope that is what they are doing!

Can't wait for the next episode glad I found this awesome anime.

[TempestGarden]

I just finished watching the first 3 episodes of this series and I like it enough, so far. One thing bugs me a little though... Kotonoha!

I think she has some serious "issues" going on that might require psychiatric care. I mean, who runs away in panic when someone gives you a hug?? That's a little much if you ask me. Forget about the stereotypical male lead character... what is it in most anime of this type where the characters all freak out and act like it's completely unnatural to like someone or have a crush on them. That is getting a bit annoying to see over and over again in so many anime titles.

Overall, I am mostly enjoying this series though and I will most likely watch it though til the end.

[HitokiriShadow]

Yay for fanservice.

Boo for Makoto. Sekai should should stop wasting her time on that dickweed, give him a one-way ticket to Hinamizawa, and start focusing on giving Setsuna some love.

[Illusion]

give him a one-way ticket to Hinamizawa,

Hahaha, I LOL'd when I read that. =P But so true, guys like him should be left to the likes of Rika and Psycho Rena.

[lambda-driver]

Episode Five was great! the ending made me scream at my computer still angry.

Episode six should be awesome!

[HitokiriShadow]

I meant to say this before, but if there is one this show has going for it, it does have some good fanservice (and some amusing SFX to go with it; "Oh yeah!"). It has some nice character designs as well, and some amusing attire (namely, Sekai's work 'uniform').

But man, Makoto is painful to watch. And by "painful to watch" I mean, "I doubt I'll ever want to watch this again thanks to him." He kills the rewatch value. He better be one of the bodies at the end, I'll be upset if he survives.Certain aspects of the girls' characters are almost as bad, namely the "Well, guys are horny bastards, but thats just the way they are so we need to just learn to be comfortable with them feeling us up and groping us." :roll:

Actually, I take back what I said. The fanservice (and SFX), Setsuna, Hikari, Sekai, (some of the time), some amusing moments here and there, and (hopefully) a bloody, violent ending give this show some potential rewatch value. But man, Makoto is a douchebag (and an idiot in general) and there are some painful moments in this show and it really does hurt the rewatch value.

For this episode, I decided to try a something-style commentary for the heck of it. So here it is:

-LOL "pushpushpushpush"
-mmmm, yum, fanservice. And great sound effects, specific to each pair of beautiful boobies.
-Makoto's friend is even worse, except for the fact that he's a comic relief character and can't be taken seriously. I guess Makoto has some admirable moments here and there
-er, they sure are putting some detail into the guys nipples... far more detail than they put into the girls' in the opening.
-subtitles: "*orgasms*" :? That wasn't an orgasm, that was a startled gasp. Someone needs to watch more porn.
-"She's just that open to guys" Translation: She's gay for Sekai. Go Setsuna! Save Sekai from the evil bastard.
-Oh, nice job commenting on Sekai's breast size. Way to go, genius.
-Okay, I was getting annoyed with Sekai's repeatedly helping Makoto get together (and along with) Kotonoha, but now it makes sense: She just enjoys toying with other people's relationships. And now her hobby is getting in the way of her own happiness. Or so it seems, but in reality, its helping keep her away from an evil bastard. So she should hook up with Setsuna instead and continue facilitating Kotonoha's misery and other people's relationships.
-On the one hand, its admirable that Sekai is trying not to be the evil friend who steals her friend's boyfriend. On the other hand, she's also feeding Makoto's desire for her (the whole 'special training') and continuing to try to push him to continue a relationship he doesn't have his heart in when he's realizing he prefers Sekai. She's missing her chance and her actions will ultimately hurt Kotonoha more.
-and of course, the first thing he has to do WHILE CONFESSING, is grope her ass. And here I was thinking that he hadn't been that bad this episode.
-And immediately after that, its time to screw. Another peeve of mine. "We're dating now, so now its time to fuck."

[lambda-driver]

lol you saw the same fansubbed version too hehe pretty weird stuff :P STOP USING WHITE it's so hard to read especially when they have run on from other characters talking at once.

Anyway I'm really hoping Kotonoha clues up as to whats going on between Makoto and Sekai. Her sister is so cute at the end of the episode!

PS. Sekai is a whore!

[Illusion]

-and of course, the first thing he has to do WHILE CONFESSING, is grope her ass. And here I was thinking that he hadn't been that bad this episode.
-And immediately after that, its time to screw. Another peeve of mine. "We're dating now, so now its time to fuck."

I found that extremely distasteful as well, but I guess it's somewhat to be expected from a show based on a hentai game. Same with the having sex the moment he confessed. :sd: I can understand why he would pick Sekai over Kotonoha though.

I hope Makoto gets slaughtered at the end as well. =P That's the only thing that will set this show apart from just another school love triangle show.

[Ty]

You know they're not going to give you the violent ending, so you might as well quit watching now. ;)

[HitokiriShadow]

I found that extremely distasteful as well, but I guess it's somewhat to be expected from a show based on a hentai game. Same with the having sex the moment he confessed. :sd: I can understand why he would pick Sekai over Kotonoha though.

It's not limited to hentai-based games, though. The same thing pissed me off in I"s (manga, no idea what the anime covered).

But I agree that Sekai (whoring aside) is better than Kotonoha.

[HitokiriShadow]

You know they're not going to give you the violent ending, so you might as well quit watching now. ;)

Never give up! Never surrender! I will not give up hope for seeing heads roll until its all over.

And, well, the fanservice is nice and hating Makoto in kind of entertaining in a twisted way.

[Dagger]

I was going to watch this for the trainwreck fun of it all. In the end, I really can't do it. You know that feeling you get when you're watching an amateur (or just an idiot) on stage and you just know he's going to make an ass of himself, and you get so embarrassed/ashamed for him even though it really has nothing to do with you?

Yeah, that's School Days for me. :D

[Suwako Moriya]

Never give up! Never surrender! I will not give up hope for seeing heads roll until its all over.

Funny how that seems to be the main motivation for several people. I'm still undecided on whether or not I want to even watch this yet. I may just stick to reading what is posted in this topic instead.

[HitokiriShadow]

Funny how that seems to be the main motivation for several people.

Aside from being fairly generic (though with some nice character designs), Makoto makes it really, really hard to want to see a "happy ending."

[Suwako Moriya]

Aside from being fairly generic (though with some nice character designs), Makoto makes it really, really hard to want to see a "happy ending."

Well based on the negative impression of Makoto that's been given so far. Perhaps a happy ending would involve the girls killing him? Well it's just a random thought.

[HitokiriShadow]

Well, "happy" is in the eye of the beholder, but I was referring to a typical happy ending which doesn't involve people murdering each other or committing suicide.

[Jadawin]

I hope for one of Sekais happy ends, but I doubt that Makoto will stay faithful to her, which (small game spoiler) is possible in the game, after all.

I prefer the way, they handled the "special training" in the anime. More romantic that way.

So Makoto finally betrayed Kotonoha. We'll see how she'll react once she finds out about it.

[cjed]

I don't really understand the level of 'hate' towards makoto in this topic so far - sure, he's a thoughtless idiot, but I havn't seen anything malicious in his behaviour. If anything, sekai is the one to blame (although she is the most appealing character in the series), for fostering his relationship with kotonoha.

I thought kudos was due to both makoto and sekai for not just recognising their feelings, but doing something about it. OK, the timing couldn't have been worse for kotonoha, immediately after she publically recognises makoto as her boyfriend. But compared to the usual repression and denial that usually goes on in this kind of anime it's a more realistic depiction of high-school relationships.

I'm actually quite interested to see how they handle the fallout in the next couple of episodes.

[Ty]

Indeed. I'm not going to defend Makoto and his stupidity, but Sekai is playing both sides and being very selfish about it in the process. Any mess that ensues is pretty directly her fault IMO.

[Krate]

I'm only up to episode 3 right now but I want a bad end. That episode made it clear for me: Makoto must die. :>

[angelx03]

I've only up to episode 3 right now but I want a bad end. That episode made it clear for me: Makoto must die. :>

AND GIVE US THIS!!!

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/8259/gif65ua5.gif

:virgin:

[HitokiriShadow]

:virgin:

Too bad there's no way that will happen in the anime. :sigh:

[Rhodes]

is there a harem route to take?

well so far makoto isnt that bad a guy... so he likes to have sex with his gf whos not into it... heck based on the

so he hooks up with someone else...

still this could of all be avoided if sekai just was honest to begin with, those 2 do seem to get along naturally.

[HitokiriShadow]

It wouldn't surprise if there was a harem route. There is apparently a lesbian route and I've heard about a double pregnancy ending as well, so it wouldn't surprise me if there was a harem/bigamy/polygamy ending.

[Jadawin]

With this episode it's official. Makoto is the worst male main character I've ever seen in an anime (The "Don't leave me alone Daisy" guy is on 2nd place).

Instead of clearing up things, he continues to treat Sekai as a Sex toy, while ignoring both her and Kotonohas feelings. Even when Sekai gives him a clear signal by saying that he's Kotonohas boy friend after all, he doesn't run after her, prefers to do nothing and goes home with Kotonoha.

It's painful to watch, and I never played the game that way, but I guess, that's the true character of School Days.

[HitokiriShadow]

I've had plenty of lead characters that annoyed me to no end and a few that I would have liked to see murdered simply to do being brain dead and/or annoying. But I don't think I've ever despised a character so much. Congratulations Makoto, you are now my Most Hated Anime Character Ever.

After watching the first episode, I didn't see why Makoto was so hated or anything wrong with him other than being a fairly typical highschooler. And I thought Sekai was awesome. Now, I utterly despise Makoto, am horribly disappointed in Sekai, and just feel sorry for Kotonoha.

I demand blood for a satisfying ending, and I'm pretty sure we are going to get it (I wonder if the focus on those knitting needles was foreshadowing a future murder weapon?). This show is worth watching only for the train wreck factor (well, that and some fanservice) and the only way this trainwreck should end is with blood. Preferably Makoto's, but certainly not limited to that. I wouldn't mind seeing her take a few of those student council girls with her. I'd like to see Kotonoha murder Makoto and then commit suicide. Then Sekai with learn her lesson and the error of her ways and decide that lesbianism (with Setsuna as her lover, of course) is the only way to atone for her sins, stupidity, and abominable taste in males.

[Illusion]

LOL!! I agree with most of that. Sekai needs to get a grip and start standing up to him again, otherwise he's going to use the both of them to his liking. I think Setsuna is by far the most sensible, observant character in the show at the moment.

[rg4619]

There is apparently a lesbian route and I've heard about a double pregnancy ending as well

Haven't played the game, but I hear that those are just misinterpretations (due to people watching the video clips, but not understanding the dialogue well) of one of the endings.

From what I'm told, what really happens is that:
Sekai and Kotonoha come to a truce, acknowledging that they both love Makoto. They then decide to present an orgy as a Christmas present, in a race to see who gets pregnant with his child first.

That said, I think people take School Days too seriously. Conceptually, it's a sadistic sex romp (hence the over the top character caricatures and tortured melodrama), so I'm not sure why people feel so strongly toward particular characters. To me, the show is mainly about the train wreck and some laughs (at the stupidity of the characters, at the dumb sex antics, at how horrible and perverted Makoto is, etc.). It's fun slamming the characters, but in the end, they're too comical/unreal for me to feel any lasting hate or empathy.

[Scaramanga]

I'm probably going to get lambasted for this, but here goes...

So based on what I've been hearing with all this Makoto hate in this thread, either everyone in this thread is a saint or they like their anime characters to be saints.

So Makoto is a horny dude, big shocker there. He gets either frigidity (Kotonoha) or mixed signals (Sekai) from girls, is it any wonder he'll kind of blunder his way around hurting people? I mean in all honesty I'd rather see an interesting if flawed character than another cookie-cutter "good" guy, who ends up with the predictable girl.

Hell, at this rate, I'm rooting for an Otome hook-up anyway. :>

[Teiresias]

Your missing the point: It doesn't matter what M does, he's simply not worthy of either of the girls. Only the AoD-Poster-Who-Will-Be-Nameless is worthy of them. :D

[Rhodes]

nah Otome is much more of a door mat and she doesnt do jack for her own interests she is worse than the 2 leads.

Setsuna is cool thou. She is active in what she is doing and voices what she thinks. I'm sure she could get Makoto inline :)

But yeah I dont understand what the big deal is... Makoto seems to be a regular horny high school guy. He seems like a breath of fresh air compared to most harem male leads. He isnt like a sicko pervert rapist from a Hentai show just a regular joe.

[StudioZEL]

I'm probably going to get lambasted for this, but here goes...

So based on what I've been hearing with all this Makoto hate in this thread, either everyone in this thread is a saint or they like their anime characters to be saints.

So Makoto is a horny dude, big shocker there. He gets either frigidity (Kotonoha) or mixed signals (Sekai) from girls, is it any wonder he'll kind of blunder his way around hurting people? I mean in all honesty I'd rather see an interesting if flawed character than another cookie-cutter "good" guy, who ends up with the predictable girl.

Hell, at this rate, I'm rooting for an Otome hook-up anyway. :>

My biggest problem with the protagonist isn't that he's flawed (the best of 'em are), it's how he's so incredibly stupid, so much so that it's gonna eventually hurt the girls (who love him, god knows why). There's some amount of cluelessness I'm willing to accept (Tenchi for example), but there are some times where I'm sitting there watching the show going "Okay, come on, no one in his TEENS could possibly be THAT ignorant!" I don't got a problem with him being horny. Makes him human. What bothers me is how he doesn't ever put any effort into thinking about what THEY are thinking/feeling etc., well, unless it involves his johnson somehow. >> <<

I want to punch the insensitive prick. There's some amount of insensitivity I can take, because it's believable and unintentional. This guy has gone WELL over that line.

[HitokiriShadow]

He's flawed alright, but he's still either a moron or a bastard, or quiet possibly both. Being 'flawed' isn't an excuse for the shit he's doing.

No, Sekai wasn't helping things, and I don't like her much either as of late. It still doesn't excuse Makoto. Hell, she was telling him that he needed to break things off with Kotonoha and he's not doing it. She also clearly isn't comfortable with Makoto's constant sex and groping and she's expressed it. Makoto's either too dense to notice and/or doesn't care.

[Scaramanga]

nah Otome is much more of a door mat and she doesnt do jack for her own interests she is worse than the 2 leads.
She hasn't? I'm pretty sure she has. Heck, early on even, when Kotonoha starts spending her lunch time with Makoto.

My biggest problem with the protagonist isn't that he's flawed (the best of 'em are), it's how he's so incredibly stupid, so much so that it's gonna eventually hurt the girls (who love him, god knows why).
Ahh, so it's OK to be a flawed character as long as they don't hurt anyone?

There's some amount of cluelessness I'm willing to accept (Tenchi for example), but there are some times where I'm sitting there watching the show going "Okay, come on, no one in his TEENS could possibly be THAT ignorant!"
Errr, are you joking me? I know people in their 20s that are that ignorant/backwards. Although I will admit that his general cluelessness, especially early on in the series, bugged me. Now he's not so much clueless as he is just a straight up slut.

I don't got a problem with him being horny. Makes him human. What bothers me is how he doesn't ever put any effort into thinking about what THEY are thinking/feeling etc., well, unless it involves his johnson somehow.
Again, I fail to see how this is different from the majority of the teenage male population.

I want to punch the insensitive prick. There's some amount of insensitivity I can take, because it's believable and unintentional. This guy has gone WELL over that line.
So you're saying the character isn't believable because he's a jackass? Man, I want to hang out with you and your friend, Mother Theresa. :D

He's flawed alright, but he's still either a moron or a bastard, or quiet possibly both. Being 'flawed' isn't an excuse for the shit he's doing.
I didn't say it was an excuse, only that it makes him, you know, HUMAN.

No, Sekai wasn't helping things, and I don't like her much either as of late. It still doesn't excuse Makoto. Hell, she was telling him that he needed to break things off with Kotonoha and he's not doing it. She also clearly isn't comfortable with Makoto's constant sex and groping and she's expressed it. Makoto's either too dense to notice and/or doesn't care.
Probably the latter (and I don't think she's expressed it particularly strongly.) As for Sekai, she said 'WE' need to tell her (Kotonoha), and yet she chickened out too. And the fact that she's giving it up to Makoto because she feels it's the only way she can be "close" to him, while certainly creepy, shows she's just as flawed and human as HE is.

In the next installment I'll rip into Kotonoha too. YES, she's human and has problems too, and is partly to blame for this whole situation (admittedly, to a lesser degree than Makoto and Sekai.)

[rg4619]

My biggest problem with the protagonist isn't that he's flawed (the best of 'em are), it's how he's so incredibly stupid, so much so that it's gonna eventually hurt the girls (who love him, god knows why). There's some amount of cluelessness I'm willing to accept (Tenchi for example), but there are some times where I'm sitting there watching the show going "Okay, come on, no one in his TEENS could possibly be THAT ignorant!" I don't got a problem with him being horny. Makes him human. What bothers me is how he doesn't ever put any effort into thinking about what THEY are thinking/feeling etc., well, unless it involves his johnson somehow. >> <<

That's the whole point of School Days (the concept is about sexual infidelity and emotional torment, not romance or harem). As a character, Makoto mainly serves to dish out pain. Otome and company serve a similar, though more malicious purpose.

As a sidenote, game fans tend to hate Nanami the most (for being a bully of the worst sort), but I guess the anime hasn't presented that yet. There seems to be dissatisfaction over the fact she isn't murdered in any of the endings.

[HitokiriShadow]

Which one was Nanami again? I believe Otome is the brown haired girl in Kotonoha's class that also liked Makoto, but I don't remember which one Nanami was.

[HitokiriShadow]

Ahh, so it's OK to be a flawed character as long as they don't hurt anyone?

Errr, are you joking me? I know people in their 20s that are that ignorant/backwards. Although I will admit that his general cluelessness, especially early on in the series, bugged me. Now he's not so much clueless as he is just a straight up slut.

Again, I fail to see how this is different from the majority of the teenage male population.

I'm sorry that every teenage male you apparently knew was a horrible prick and borderline rapist.

So you're saying the character isn't believable because he's a jackass? Man, I want to hang out with you and your friend, Mother Theresa. :D

Oh, he's believable. He's a believable horny bastard who cares only for his own well being and getting laid and could give a shit about anyone else. I don't see how being 'believable' is the issue here. I'm not seeing why this means we have to like him or shouldn't hate his guts.

I didn't say it was an excuse, only that it makes him, you know, HUMAN.

I"m really not seeing your point. All your responses indicate that this shouldn't be a big deal and that all his horrible decisions make him 'human' and 'believable' and that somehow means we shouldn't be so hard on him. That's great that he's 'human' and not a space alien, he still deserves every bit of the vitriol he's getting.

[Scaramanga]

Ahh, so it's OK to be a flawed character as long as they don't hurt anyone?

Errr, are you joking me? I know people in their 20s that are that ignorant/backwards. Although I will admit that his general cluelessness, especially early on in the series, bugged me. Now he's not so much clueless as he is just a straight up slut.

Again, I fail to see how this is different from the majority of the teenage male population.
I'm sorry that every teenage male you apparently knew was a horrible prick and borderline rapist.
I'm sorry that every teenage male you ever knew was a saint. Also what exactly is a borderline rapist? Either he IS or he isn't a rapist. Sekai has had PLENTY of opportunity to tell him 'no'.

So you're saying the character isn't believable because he's a jackass? Man, I want to hang out with you and your friend, Mother Theresa. :D
Oh, he's believable. He's a believable horny bastard who cares only for his own well being and getting laid and could give a shit about anyone else. I don't see how being 'believable' is the issue here. I'm not seeing why this means we have to like him or shouldn't hate his guts.
I never said people have to like him, but to dislike him because he behaves EXACTLY like a teenage male seems kind of disingenuous.

I didn't say it was an excuse, only that it makes him, you know, HUMAN.
I'm really not seeing your point. All your responses indicate that this shouldn't be a big deal and that all his horrible decisions make him 'human' and 'believable' and that somehow means we shouldn't be so hard on him. That's great that he's 'human' and not a space alien, he still deserves every bit of the vitriol he's getting.
Why? Because BOTH female leads have identity and trust issues, perhaps?! See, I get that the Makoto isn't perfect, but everyone seems to ignore the fact that both Sekai AND Kotonoha have problems and have directly led to the situation they're all in now.

If Makoto was the villain everyone makes him out to be, wouldn't he be making stronger play towards Kotonoha too? If you can get sexin'/touchy-feely from TWO girls, that's certainly better than one, right? I mean after episode 5 and the breast-pressing and touching that goes on there. Actually, considering that, he's obviously not just a horny dude, and there's probably more going on here.

I'm just curious why people try to hold these characters to a higher standard then they would an average person (especially at that age.) When you're a teenager you screw up, you make mistakes, and - especially when you're a dude- you're often ruled by your hormonal desires.

EDIT: Oh, and why doesn't anyone give Taisuke the same treatment? I'm pretty sure this dude would do the same or worse given the opportunity.

OK, any guesses on who he IS going to end up with? I'm thinking Sekai is out of the running after the sexing (I doubt he's going to think much of her after that.)

[HitokiriShadow]

No, not everyone is a saint, and the girls aren't helping things. But Makoto is a moron and can't see blatantly obvious signals. Both girls have clearly expressed their discomfort with his advances, especially when he boned Sekai at the end of episode 5. That barely qualified as consensual.

Not all teenagers are like this and the idea that we should accept it because "Oh, that's how teen guys are" is not the right answer. That was (for some reason) Sekai's reasoning and part of the problem, but its not something that should be supported.

If Makoto was the villain everyone makes him out to be, wouldn't he be making stronger play towards Kotonoha too? If you can get sexin'/touchy-feely from TWO girls, that's certainly better than one, right? I mean after episode 5 and the breast-pressing and touching that goes on there. Actually, considering that, he's obviously not just a horny dude, and there's probably more going on here.

He stopped making a play towards Kotonoha when he figured out that Sekai was a much easier lay and he was apparently intelligent enough to realize that he couldn't have both of them at the same time. So he went with the one that was willing to put out with little resistance.

I'm just curious why people try to hold these characters to a higher standard then they would an average person (especially at that age.) When you're a teenager you screw up, you make mistakes, and - especially when you're a dude- you're often ruled by your hormonal desires.

I don't hold them to higher standards. He's a moron and an asshole and I would say the same of anyone like him in real life. Being a teenager isn't an excuse to molest girls (like he did with Kotonoha early on) or to fuck without regards to the girls feelings. He's only in this for the sex, and unless the feeling is mutual on both sides, that's deplorable.


EDIT: Oh, and why doesn't anyone give Taisuke the same treatment? I'm pretty sure this dude would do the same or worse given the opportunity.

Because he's not the main character. He's had maybe 5 minutes of screen time in seven episodes. I don't really like him either, but he's not the main character and its easier to just ignore him.

OK, any guesses on who he IS going to end up with? I'm thinking Sekai is out of the running after the sexing (I doubt he's going to think much of her after that.)

I'm hoping he doesn't end up with anyone.

[Ty]

You guys are taking a pretty mediocre show a little too seriously here. :)

[Gatts]

You guys are taking a pretty mediocre show a little too seriously here. :)

That sentence could apply to any number of shows with discussion threads on AoD, but that doesn't mean people can't have fun discussion these things. :)

[Scaramanga]

Both girls have clearly expressed their discomfort with his advances, especially when he boned Sekai at the end of episode 5. That barely qualified as consensual.
Errr, what? Sekai was the one who initiated that shit HERSELF in episode 4. If anyone's to blame it's HER. As for Kotonoha, she's pretty much expressed a more "physical" side as of episode 5, so she doesn't seem to have much discomfort anymore (too late to appease Makoto, of course.)

Not all teenagers are like this and the idea that we should accept it because "Oh, that's how teen guys are" is not the right answer. That was (for some reason) Sekai's reasoning and part of the problem, but its not something that should be supported.
I'm not saying anyone should condone it, but accept that it's a reality and a fairly COMMON one at that. Again, I doubt there's much we can do about teenage hormones.

I'm just curious why people try to hold these characters to a higher standard then they would an average person (especially at that age.) When you're a teenager you screw up, you make mistakes, and - especially when you're a dude- you're often ruled by your hormonal desires.
I don't hold them to higher standards. He's a moron and an asshole and I would say the same of anyone like him in real life. Being a teenager isn't an excuse to molest girls (like he did with Kotonoha early on)
I think it was pretty well established that that's what he thought boys could do to their girlfriends. The fact that he was wrong in Kotonoha's case only means he was poorly informed (and probably watched too much porn,) and not really an asshole, per se.

He's only in this for the sex, and unless the feeling is mutual on both sides, that's deplorable.
Well how is he supposed to KNOW Sekai doesn't JUST want to sleep with him? Again, she's the one who instigated this shit, so you'll probably have to forgive him for not possessing psychic powers.

OK, any guesses on who he IS going to end up with? I'm thinking Sekai is out of the running after the sexing (I doubt he's going to think much of her after that.)
I'm hoping he doesn't end up with anyone.
Yes, big shocker there. However, I would be fairly surprised (although pleasantly - I always enjoy shows that buck trends) if he didn't end with someone.

I get that some people are going to hate Makoto no matter what, and nothing I can say is probably going to change that. But it sure does baffle me sometimes when people get down on characters who act more human and REAL than their generic anime counterparts.

[Scaramanga]

Which one was Nanami again? I believe Otome is the brown haired girl in Kotonoha's class that also liked Makoto, but I don't remember which one Nanami was.
Nanami's the short-haired girl in the Sekai/Setsuna group, who has the older boyfriend.

[Ty]

You guys are taking a pretty mediocre show a little too seriously here. :)

That sentence could apply to any number of shows with discussion threads on AoD, but that doesn't mean people can't have fun discussion these things. :)
I know, I know. I'm just trying to lighten it up. I would actually discuss myself, but I find the only way I can enjoy shows like this is with the brain firmly in the "off" position. :)

[HitokiriShadow]

Which one was Nanami again? I believe Otome is the brown haired girl in Kotonoha's class that also liked Makoto, but I don't remember which one Nanami was.
Nanami's the short-haired girl in the Sekai/Setsuna group, who has the older boyfriend.


Hmmm...the tall one with the black hair? Was reading to pound Kotonoha in episode 7? I don't really remember anything about a boyfriend, but she's the only one I remember other than the girl that liked Taisuke and I was pretty sure that wasn't Nanami because she certainly hadn't exhibitid any bully-like behavior. Still, from what I've seen, Otome has always seemed like the lead bully and Nanami (if I'm right) hasn't really done much (that I can remember, at least).

As for the other stuff, we'll just agree to disagree. I think he's a bit extreme and deserving of the hate, but whatever. I completely agree, however, that Sekai has contributed to the problems significantly. I facepalmed at her suggestion for "practice".

[Scaramanga]

So come... you guys gotta admit Makoto kinda redeemed himself here, at least to a small degree. Also, I'm disliking almost ALL the girls now (except that Kotonoha kinda redeemed herself and her dignity a bit at the end.) I've got to say though, both Kotonoha and Makoto are both pretty easily bullied by people (and both by GIRLS.)

[HitokiriShadow]

He kind of started to redeem himself and then plummeted once again. He lost the "Sekai is pressuring me to keep dating her" excuse several episodes ago and she's been telling him to break it off and she does it again here and Makoto once again tries to weasle out of it and still doesn't do it.

Lots of Setsuna was nice since she's about the only character I like at this point. Well, and the girl that likes Makoto's friend, but that's more that I don't dislike her.

[Rhodes]

Makoto should just follow Rentarou's example from Futakoi Alternative.

That would solve everything and we can all get along :)

Edit:
"3 is a magic number" after all

[Scaramanga]

He kind of started to redeem himself and then plummeted once again. He lost the "Sekai is pressuring me to keep dating her" excuse several episodes ago and she's been telling him to break it off and she does it again here and Makoto once again tries to weasle out of it and still doesn't do it.
Wouldn't a good way of getting him to do something be withholding the sexin'? You'd figure that'd do the trick.

Lots of Setsuna was nice since she's about the only character I like at this point. Well, and the girl that likes Makoto's friend, but that's more that I don't dislike her.
I thought Setsuna's been pretty mean too, especially to everyone's favourite Kotonoha.

[lambda-driver]

Just watched Episode 08.

Thought the episode went by quick I have now lost all hope for Makoto he made his feelings very clear when the tea was spilled.

Also Kotonoha seems like she is becoming desperate and not being true with herself!

Now that setsuna is leaving I'm hoping like hell Kotohona and Makoto both grow a spine and reaffirm each other's love and kick Sekai to he curb or something.

Makoto continues to be a god damn door matt and letting girls control how he acts and does I want to slap the **** out of him lol.

Not exactly sure what to expect 4 more episodes left things should start heating up big time!

[Scaramanga]

Just watched Episode 08.
Or as I like to call it: 'Kotonoha just can't catch a break.'

Thought the episode went by quick I have now lost all hope for Makoto he made his feelings very clear when the tea was spilled.
What, that he wanted to bang Sekai again?

Also Kotonoha seems like she is becoming desperate and not being true with herself!
Actually yeah, that was a pretty degrading thing she did on the train.

[HitokiriShadow]

He kind of started to redeem himself and then plummeted once again. He lost the "Sekai is pressuring me to keep dating her" excuse several episodes ago and she's been telling him to break it off and she does it again here and Makoto once again tries to weasle out of it and still doesn't do it.
Wouldn't a good way of getting him to do something be withholding the sexin'? You'd figure that'd do the trick.

Subconsciously, she must know that that would just make him more likely to go back to Setsuna, especially now that she is finally willing to do the horizontal tango.

Lots of Setsuna was nice since she's about the only character I like at this point. Well, and the girl that likes Makoto's friend, but that's more that I don't dislike her.
I thought Setsuna's been pretty mean too, especially to everyone's favourite Kotonoha.

Yes, but keep in mind that A) she's doing it for the sake of her friend, not herself and B) she thought Makoto had already broken up with her and that Kotonoha was either too dense to get it or didn't care. She also only cares about keeping her away from Makoto and doesn't really have anything personal against her aside from her "stealing" Makoto from Sekai, unlike Kotonoha's classmates who apparently really hate her.



Also Kotonoha seems like she is becoming desperate and not being true with herself!
Actually yeah, that was a pretty degrading thing she did on the train.


Of course, Sekai isn't any better and she's the one that suggested to Kotonoha that "that's just they men are, so you need to get use them groping you." Argg.

[Illusion]

Subconsciously, she must know that that would just make him more likely to go back to Setsuna, especially now that she is finally willing to do the horizontal tango.


I think you mean Kotonoha here?

But yes, Makoto is an idiot. I can't believe he sees absolutely nothing bad about cheating on a girlfriend. :sigh: Even Sekai admits that what they did was wrong, and that people are getting hurt because of it, but all Makoto seems to think about is down below.

[Scaramanga]

But yes, Makoto is an idiot. I can't believe he sees absolutely nothing bad about cheating on a girlfriend. :sigh: Even Sekai admits that what they did was wrong, and that people are getting hurt because of it, but all Makoto seems to think about is down below.

I love how everyone keeps laying it on the guy. Yeah, Sekai had NOTHING to do with it. :sigh:

[HitokiriShadow]

Subconsciously, she must know that that would just make him more likely to go back to Setsuna, especially now that she is finally willing to do the horizontal tango.


I think you mean Kotonoha here?


Er, yeah, that's what I meant.

But yes, Makoto is an idiot. I can't believe he sees absolutely nothing bad about cheating on a girlfriend. :sigh: Even Sekai admits that what they did was wrong, and that people are getting hurt because of it, but all Makoto seems to think about is down below.

I love how everyone keeps laying it on the guy. Yeah, Sekai had NOTHING to do with it. :sigh:

Oh, please. I've said that she shares some of the blame, but that doesn't get him off the hook and he lost that excuse a couple episodes ago. And you apparently ignored that Illusion said that even Sekai is saying that he should break up with her (like she has been since their little affair started).

[Scaramanga]

But yes, Makoto is an idiot. I can't believe he sees absolutely nothing bad about cheating on a girlfriend. :sigh: Even Sekai admits that what they did was wrong, and that people are getting hurt because of it, but all Makoto seems to think about is down below.

I love how everyone keeps laying it on the guy. Yeah, Sekai had NOTHING to do with it. :sigh:
Oh, please. I've said that she shares some of the blame, but that doesn't get him off the hook and he lost that excuse a couple episodes ago. And you apparently ignored that Illusion said that even Sekai is saying that he should break up with her (like she has been since their little affair started).
Makoto has agreed too that he needs to break up with her, he just doesn't do anything about it. Of course neither does Sekai.

Actually as it stands now, I'm not sure I really like ANY of them very much (which may in fact be the point,) except for Setsuna, who's about the only one with dignity anymore. Although now, I DO question her motives in keeping Kotonoha away from Makoto (could it have been more selfish desire than to see Makoto safely with Sekai.) Also, if Setsuna can leave things the way they are without thinking anything is wrong, she's nuts.

I think Dagger said it best, in comparing it to a trainwreck. I'm hating most of them now, but I just can't avert my eyes. :D

[HitokiriShadow]

Damn. I can't find anything in that post I don't agree with. :D

[beatmania]

Now all we need is for Otome to fondle Makoto's junk.

Hopefully he won't get laid next episode.

[Illusion]

But yes, Makoto is an idiot. I can't believe he sees absolutely nothing bad about cheating on a girlfriend. :sigh: Even Sekai admits that what they did was wrong, and that people are getting hurt because of it, but all Makoto seems to think about is down below.

I love how everyone keeps laying it on the guy. Yeah, Sekai had NOTHING to do with it. :sigh:

Erm, I never said that Sekai was free of blame, but at least she realises that what they did was wrong. Yes, her not doing anything doesn't make her any better than Makoto, but I just find it appalling that he thinks that neither of them are in the wrong in the first place.

Like HitokiriShadow, I do agree with your next post though. :sd:

[Buster Blader 126]

So I finished watching Ep. 6, and all I got to say at this point (that hasn't already been said), is that the shit's really gonna hit the fan now, if it hadn't done so already.

At this point, I don't know whether or not to catch up through the speed subs, or to wait for Conclave. Decisions, decisions....

[HitokiriShadow]

:sd: Oh good grief, this is getting ridiculous. I was surprised Otome and Makoto didn't get caught. But then that would have shattered Kotonoha's delusions, and they have to drag that out a bit more.

[Illusion]

Hahaha...just when I thought Makoto was redeeming himself a little....

Uzuki is a very observant little girl, I like her already. ;)

[Scaramanga]

Hahaha...just when I thought Makoto was redeeming himself a little....

Uzuki is a very observant little girl, I like her already. ;)
Honestly, I'm now more disgusted with Kotonoha now than Makoto. That girl seriously needs to grow a pair.

[Illusion]

Hmm yeah, I'm torn between feeling pity and irritation for Kotonoha. I think she needs to open her eyes and deal with what's actually happening, instead of deluding herself.

[HitokiriShadow]

Honestly, I'm now more disgusted with Kotonoha now than Makoto. That girl seriously needs to grow a pair.

I still dislike Makoto far more, but I've never been particularly fond of Kotonoha and pity only gets you so far. I feel sorry for her as she's the victim in all this, but she's not exactly doing herself any favors. And she ran out of Pity Points sometime last episode.

[beatmania]

Now all we need is for Otome to fondle Makoto's junk.

Hopefully he won't get laid next episode.

Damn it.

[lambda-driver]

From episode 09 - 12 every episode will be rated "R"

"The School Days anime is now officially rated R from episode 9. Up to this point it had no such age restriction set and many viewers and fans of the violent game endings were anxious that this meant no "bad ending". But maybe School Days is now free to write some new anime history~"

SOURCE: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=4318

Episode 10 will be good, hurry up you darn subbing groups I NEEDZ MY FIX!!!!

Hopefully something huge will happen!

[mellowrg2]

ep. 10

man, this guy is a piece of work

Setsuna, too? Wow, this is almost epic

[Scaramanga]

From episode 09 - 12 every episode will be rated "R"

"The School Days anime is now officially rated R from episode 9. Up to this point it had no such age restriction set and many viewers and fans of the violent game endings were anxious that this meant no "bad ending". But maybe School Days is now free to write some new anime history~"

SOURCE: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=4318

What exactly does this mean? How does a TV show get rated "R"? Can someone who can read it, possibly translate the Moon Phase page (http://d.hatena.ne.jp/moonphase/20070829)?

[BonifaceVIII]

I will not watch this series until I get a confirmed bad ending.

Not one episode, dammit.

[Sean_Connolly]

ep. 10

man, this guy is a piece of work

Setsuna, too? Wow, this is almost epic

No one is safe.

[Rhodes]

why? been following the blogs for this show... this show is gold man, pure gold. best series of the year to date. i wish all harem shows was this good.

gotta import this game when i can... i tried to at palet but someone ordered the copy they had before me.

doesnt need a bad end... but it looks like this is where we are headed... they seem to be combining as many storylines as possible, like how it was done with Tsukihime and F/SN. dont see how a good end can come but would love to see how they pull it off if they do that... but from the looks of things its all coming to a bad end :)

btw i dont think makoto is a bad guy... so far is he is just a horny wishy washy guy who follows his hormones rather than his heart... but he isnt evil nor is he a rapist.

[lambda-driver]

Can anyone tell me what happened after the ending of episode 10? The sub'd version I watched said PS. more after the ending credits but than they cut it off :\

one word..... WOW
wow, after all that sekai and Kat may team up to finish off Makoto! Did anyone else get a weird vibe when they showed the knives in the kitchen? also that make is new if I'm not mistaken!

[Ty]

I will not watch this series until I get a confirmed bad ending.

Not one episode, dammit.
Well, it was announced that all the remaining episodes would receive a R rating from here out, something that the previous episodes did not carry even with the sexual innuendo in them. So all those hoping for the bad ending stuff to make it in have got their hopes up over it.

[Fencedude]

What exactly does this mean? How does a TV show get rated "R"? Can someone who can read it, possibly translate the Moon Phase page (http://d.hatena.ne.jp/moonphase/20070829)?

Tits and violence.

For example, Elfen Lied and the later episodes of Shuffle were both rated R-16

[Scaramanga]

Can anyone tell me what happened after the ending of episode 10? The sub'd version I watched said PS. more after the ending credits but than they cut it off :\
Setsuna at the airport, where Makoto is looking for her. A brief flashback to when Sekai first revealed to Setsuna that she liked Makoto (she asks Setsuna to switch seats with her so she can sit next to Makoto on the first day of class.)

Thanks Fence. Here's to tits and violence! Bloodbath ahoy.

[HitokiriShadow]

Ahaha, oh wow. Now there's only two remotely important characters left for Makoto to bone. Three if you include Katsura's sister, but I don't even this show will go there.

Bad ending incoming.

[beatmania]

Ahaha, oh wow. Now there's only two remotely important characters left for Makoto to bone. Three if you include Katsura's sister, but I don't even this show will go there.

Bad ending incoming.

He better do Kokoro and Uzuki soon before Kotonoha pull off a Lorena Bobbitt.

I'm a little sad that they didn't go the Kotonoha-do-Taisuke-to-get-Makoto-jealous route though.

[Rhodes]

i think while she was zoned out... taisuke had his way with her... you dont see it but it's implied.

btw i dont think makoto ever "does" kokoro in either school days or summer days (games) so I doubt he'll do her in the anime.

[lambda-driver]

Wow that flashback really makes you think what if she said no! I could see them doing another show just based off that fact alone!

[relentlessflame]

btw i dont think makoto ever "does" kokoro in either school days or summer days (games) so I doubt he'll do her in the anime.
Actually... I haven't played the games, but that was rumoured to be one of the reasons Summer Days v1.0 was pulled from shelves (in addition to the incredible bugginess); the game was lacking the clear "all characters portrayed are 18 years or older" label, despite explicit Kokoro scenes. Apparently those scenes were altered in Summer Days v2.0, although I don't know to what extent.

[Rhodes]

really? 2 versions huh? guess I need to track down ver 1.0 then when i go buy the game.

but from what i know... he plays with kokoro but gets smacked in the head and is knocked out before anything major happens.

[relentlessflame]

but from what i know... he plays with kokoro but gets smacked in the head and is knocked out before anything major happens.
Apparently, there are at least two seperate scenes; first time he gets knocked out by a log before he goes too far, second time they get further (it's apparently portrayed as "concentual" the second time, ignoring the legal implication for the moment), but he still gets knocked out by a golf club. Not that he doesn't deserve it... :sd:

[Illusion]

Wow. Just watched episode 10. I think this show may actually deliver what we've all been hoping for. ^^

[Rhodes]

well from what i can tell of the anime version... kokoro seems pretty fond of makoto :)

[Ty]

well from what i can tell of the anime version... kokoro seems pretty fond of makoto :)


I suppose you could hope for a dvd only episode (no way it'd ever get on tv), but still, just ewwww.

[beatmania]

Scored 4 more. Noice.

[Ty]

The show's going purely for shock appeal at this point.

[Scaramanga]

The show's going purely for shock appeal at this point.
Yeah, that was my thoughts as well after this ep. Kind of disappointing.

But, was I the only one who thought that last scene with Kotonoha was going to end in 'stabbity stab stabbing'?

[masterpez]

But, was I the only one who thought that last scene with Kotonoha was going to end in 'stabbity stab stabbing'?

The last scene of ep 10 should've had that occur, and I was kind of disappointed that they skipped over the outcome of that scene, but oh well. I got an unexpected laugh when Sekai noticed that she might be pregnant. I think this is what that little bastard gets and it's just ashame that all the girls that he's slept with won't end up pregnant, since having to be responsible for that many children from so many different women at high school age is probably a fate worse than death for him. :>

[Ty]

The show's going purely for shock appeal at this point.
Yeah, that was my thoughts as well after this ep. Kind of disappointing.

But, was I the only one who thought that last scene with Kotonoha was going to end in 'stabbity stab stabbing'?
Man I had my fingers crossed. :D When I saw her eyes I had the "yer gonna diiiee..." voice in my head. :)

[HitokiriShadow]

The show's going purely for shock appeal at this point.

No, its a sick parody of harem/erogames at this point. I've suspected it for a while, but I'm pretty sure that's exactly what this is at this point. I LOLed when Sekai announced her pregnancy to the whole class. I still hate the entire cast, but I don't care anymore because its gotten so laughably absurd.

He's now boned pretty much every named female in the cast (even had a threesome) except Nanami, Kokoro and Kokoro's friend, Uzuki (I think).



But, was I the only one who thought that last scene with Kotonoha was going to end in 'stabbity stab stabbing'?
Man I had my fingers crossed. :D When I saw her eyes I had the "yer gonna diiiee..." voice in my head. :)

I was hoping for that as well, but alas, we still have one more episode. Sadly, her eyes have gone back to normal, so she's not in psychotic mode anymore. But she doesn't know Sekai is carry Makoto's child yet...

[Illusion]

LOL, I felt a little disappointed as well.

I'm still finding Sekai to be the most respectable out of all the girls (despite making the stupid decision of getting with Makoto in the first place), and I hope Makoto gets what he deserves - castration :>

[Buster Blader 126]

Episode 7 has finally been released by the group I'm watching it from, so I've finally watched the episode.

The girls are bullying Kotonoha again. Poor girl. That aside, the whole idea of the "Break Room" is not sitting well for me. I have a bad feeling about that room.

Setsuna's acting pretty cold towards Kotonoha as well, but I can understand why. Though it seems like she doesn't understand the whole picture....

& wow, Makoto's such a bitch. Bitch as in being ordered around by the girls, of course. This whole episode was like a bitchfest IMO, with Otome & Co. acting bitchy and Kotonoha & Makoto taking orders too easily. XD He does redeem himself a little bit towards the end of the episode, but it doesn't really matter all that much in the end.

After seeing how Kotonoha noticed Sekai's shoes and Sekai's urge to leave the house (due to guilt?), an encounter between the two was imminent. & what happens? A good 'ol BITCHSLAP! I have to say, it wasn't like Sekai didn't deserve it.

I'm really itching to continue through watching the other group's releases, but I'll hold out a little while longer.

[Rhodes]

Straight from Random Curiosity...

"TV Kanegawa suddenly decided not to air it and replaced it with a nature/scenery program instead. This appears to have been without any prior announcement, so speculation is rampant right now about what really happened."

Maybe tomorrow the other channels will have it broadcasted.

Well its as good as done that we will have a Bad End where the blood spills!

So who is gonna go psycho on us? And how many bodies will be flopping around when this is all done?

[Destinyblade]

From what I have read, it seems that there was some kind of incident that occurred in Japan that made the broadcasters push the episode airing to next week. It sounds very similar to what happened after 9/11 (the omitting of the twin towers, etc.).

[Andrew Cunningham]

Namely, this. (http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/national/news/20070918p2a00m0na006000c.html)

[something]

Namely, this. (http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/national/news/20070918p2a00m0na006000c.html)
Is it wrong that my first thought was "Oh god, she's going to be cameoing in School Days doujins now"

And since it sounds like the last ep will have death, perhaps I should get some time for this again and get past ep 2.

[BonifaceVIII]

Heh, well since an ax murder is topical enough to School Days for it to be rescheduled I think we can safely assume what we wanted all along is imminent.

[Sean_Connolly]

Heh, well since an ax murder is topical enough to School Days for it to be rescheduled I think we can safely assume what we wanted all along is imminent.

I wonder if it will be the ending everyone wants though...

[Buster Blader 126]

Aw damn it. :sigh:

Having given in and watched episodes 8-11, I was anxiously awaiting the final episode. Guess it'll just have to wait for now.

& having watched Episodes 8-11 on Sunday, I have but 3 things to say:

- Episodes 10-11 = Holy shit.
- Any respect I had towards Taisuke has flown out the window.
- Damn, Makoto's such a man-slut now.

Personally, I'm thinking that it's going to be Sekai who'll turn crazy, with her killing Makoto. That's my guess.

[Andrew Cunningham]

Here's (http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/national/news/20070919p2a00m0et021000c.html) an article on why it was pulled.
There was a scene where a high school girl does something violent, and even though they made the blood black, it was still too much.
Now people are worried about Higurashi getting yanked as well...

[InsaneZero]

Well, at least we get a Nice Boat.

[Ty]

I don't think Higurashi is quite as close to the specific subject as this is, plus it's been violent the whole time. Not that any of that really matters, they could pull it anyway just because there is blood. That's be pretty silly though given the type of show Higurashi is.

[TnAdct1]

Just watch: the "boat footage" that aired instead of the final episode will somehow become a secret ingredient in an upcoming AMV Iron Chef match. :D

[loplop]

http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/national/news/20070919p2a00m0et021000c.html

TV Kanagawa cuts final episode of anime after teenage girl kills father with ax

Television Kanagawa has decided to cancel the final episode of the anime "School Days," which shows a high school girl acting violently, in response to the recent murder of a Kyoto Prefectural Police officer by his 16-year-old daughter.

The broadcaster made the decision to cut the final episode on Tuesday. The drama is also being aired by Chiba Television Broadcasting Corp. and Aichi Television Broadcasting Co. Those two stations also reportedly plan to halt broadcasts.

"School Days" depicts a love triangle between three high school students: Makoto Ito, Kotonoha Katsura and Sekai Saionji. Episodes have been screened on Television Kanagawa and other UHF stations since July this year. The computer love simulation game on which the anime was based has about 20 different endings and one shows a high school girl slashing a victim with a knife.

Television Kanagawa officials said that the last episode of the anime shows a schoolgirl acting violently. To tone down the scene, the victim's blood was made black instead of red, but after the killing in Kyoto on Tuesday, officials decided to cancel the episode.

"We ask viewers for their understanding," a station official said.

Officials at communications satellite broadcaster "AT-X," which airs anime restricted to viewers aged 15 or over, said they were still considering whether to screen the final episode.

The killing in Kyoto occurred in the predawn hours of Tuesday, when a police officer's 16-year-old daughter attacked her father with an ax. (Mainichi)

[angelx03]

Just watch: the "boat footage" that aired instead of the final episode will somehow become a secret ingredient in an upcoming AMV Iron Chef match. :D

Ohhh, now I can't wait to see the entries!

[jojo_home]

I wonder if they're overreacting over a possible dream sequence.

[aquastar831]

Don't forget that there are still the DVDs, so one way or another, we'll get to see the ending. Even though I haven't been keeping up with this series, I know about the violent endings and probably which one they're going for.

"Nice boat" is going to end up being a huge joke for awhile.

[Andrew Cunningham]

There's a massive edit war going on on Wikipedia, with lots of new accounts changing the last episode name to Nice Boat.

[Ty]

Just imagine what could happen if they put their minds to constructive purposes.

[Illusion]

I'm speechless.

[Scaramanga]

Heh, well since an ax murder is topical enough to School Days for it to be rescheduled I think we can safely assume what we wanted all along is imminent.
I wonder if it will be the ending everyone wants though...
I'm leaning towards the 'To My Children'/我ã�Œå*�ã�¸ ending. I dunno, but that may be what everyone wants at this point. :>

[Sean_Connolly]

Heh, well since an ax murder is topical enough to School Days for it to be rescheduled I think we can safely assume what we wanted all along is imminent.
I wonder if it will be the ending everyone wants though...
I'm leaning towards the 'To My Children'/我ã�Œå*�ã�¸ ending. I dunno, but that may be what everyone wants at this point. :>


I doubt it's that ending. I'm guessing "The Bloody Conclusion." Simple reasons. 1) "To My Children" isn't all that bloody to begin with. Certainly not enough to try to dye the blood black. 2) "The Bloody Conclusion" somewhat mirrors what has happened recently and is VERY bloody (comically so). It's also probably the game's most famous ending.

So, I'm hedging my bets on that one.

[Scaramanga]

Heh, well since an ax murder is topical enough to School Days for it to be rescheduled I think we can safely assume what we wanted all along is imminent.
I wonder if it will be the ending everyone wants though...
I'm leaning towards the 'To My Children'/我ã�Œå*�ã�¸ ending. I dunno, but that may be what everyone wants at this point. :>


I doubt it's that ending. I'm guessing "The Bloody Conclusion." Simple reasons. 1) "To My Children" isn't all that bloody to begin with. Certainly not enough to try to dye the blood black. 2) "The Bloody Conclusion" somewhat mirrors what has happened recently and is VERY bloody (comically so). It's also probably the game's most famous ending.

So, I'm hedging my bets on that one.
Except that the situation everyone is in now, fits more with To My Children (Makoto back with Kotonoha and Sekai preggers) than The Bloody Conclusion, plus TMC has the benefit of being the one most people "like" out of the bad endings IIRC.

[Sean_Connolly]

Except that the situation everyone is in now, fits more with To My Children (Makoto back with Kotonoha and Sekai preggers) than The Bloody Conclusion, plus TMC has the benefit of being the one most people "like" out of the bad endings IIRC.


The situations seem all wonky, mixed up a bit in the show regardless. However, the fact that stations are pulling the show and mentioning that they recolored the blood and still decided against that, tells me it's not this ending. I mean, this ending wasn't all that bloody at all and has no relation to the recent axe murder. Where the other ending...well, the connection can definitely be made.

Then again...maybe they made a whole new ending? :>

Either way, someone's going down. I personally hope they all die in a fire. All of them are messed up in the head and I love it. If it's Makoto or Sekai, I'll be happy with either one since both of them are scummy. Even if she's...pregnant, she could still get dropped and I'd cheer.

Woof, thank goodness this is a TV show or I'd really feel bad about myself thinking all this.

[TheGreenMan]

Randomc (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2007/09/27/school-days-12-end/) has the episode summary and pics up. HOLY SHIT! That was brutal. Yuck. Now I see why it was canceled. Did she really have to do that to the other girl?

[Splitter]

0_o

I need to start this show. Now.

[angelx03]

I believe it's more apparent now that DVD versions are a MUST! Someone needs to license this!

*stares at FUNimation*

[Splitter]

I believe it's more apparent now that DVD versions are a MUST! Someone needs to license this!

*stares at FUNimation*

How well did Rumbling Hearts do for them? It's basically the same thing... except Haruka never gutted Mitsuki like a fish :(

[Rhodes]

This show rocks! Need to get the DVD version when someone licenses this for R1.

haha if Funi gets it... would love for the leads to be the same as Rumble Hearts =0

[jojo_home]

BWAHAHAHAHA!

Honestly, this show has been rather meh for most of the run, but this last episode brings a whole new dimension to the show.

Finally, a last episode that lives up to the hype!

[Ty]

Well, the people looking forward to the bad ending showing up should be 110% satisfied now. Holy crap. I hope they do away with that black color for the DVD version though because it just looks odd.

[Sean_Connolly]

I called it! Well, I suspected it anyways.

Edit: Seems there's more to the episode than what was shown on TV according to what was shown at the Overflow (sp?) event. Wow, I need the DVD version. Someone license this STAT!

Edit: Fixed mistake.

[Suwako Moriya]

Wow they really did go that far and apparently even farther in the eventual DVD version. I have to admit that the fact they were willing to have such an ending seems pretty bold. That being said I'm glad I decided to hold off on watching this.

Simply because the impression I get from posts, summaries, and the like is that it's one of those shows. A show that one only really watched because of a certain hook, but when all is said and done one ends up realizing it was just a waste of time.

I have a strong feeling that's the feeling I'd have with School Days. That the only reason to watch it would be to see how bad things could get in the ending. Likely I'd end up cringing from the ending. Then I'd wonder why I even bothered. So it's good for me that I ultimately did not watch this and probably won't bother at all now.

[Rhodes]

its no different than when they cry... you have that hook of omg all that blood and gore!

its not the destination is the trip getting to there.

the trip from episode 1 to 12 is amazing. looking forward to the differences in the dvd version and if they will have a dvd only episode.

wonder if they will follow this up with a summer days anime.

[Suwako Moriya]

its no different than when they cry... you have that hook of omg all that blood and gore!

Well there's no denying all shows have their hooks which includes both Higurashi and School Days. However it's up to each individual to decide how much value the hook has for them and how they feel beyond it. All I'm saying is that I don't feel I would have enjoyed School Days and that the only real possible motivation would have been curiousity to see how bad things could get.

In reality this is just one of those cases where a poster decides based on information gathered that he's better off passing on a show. This would be one of those cases for me. Although I'm sure many will have the opposite feeling. That they'll now decide the show is indeed worth watching to them.

[mk2000]

Seems there's more to the episode than what was shown on TV according to what was shown at the Overflow (sp?) event.



Yup, it wasn't just the black blood. Sounds and whole visual sequences were edited out, so I'm sure the DVD is going to be incredibly shocking. :(


...according to the people who went to the special screening of the final episode that Overflow held, the AT-X broadcast was edited heavily. In the uncut version, not only was the blood was red, but there were also no flashbacks during the Makoto stabbing scene (a lot more of where she stabbed him were there), they actually showed Makoto’s head in the bag, and there were apparently some more sounds added to the baby-confirmation scene.

Too bad the R2 for the final volume won't be out till probably December.

[relentlessflame]

Too bad the R2 for the final volume won't be out till probably December.
End of February, in fact.

[relentlessflame]

Well there's no denying all shows have their hooks which includes both Higurashi and School Days. However it's up to each individual to decide how much value the hook has for them and how they feel beyond it. All I'm saying is that I don't feel I would have enjoyed School Days and that the only real possible motivation would have been curiousity to see how bad things could get.

In reality this is just one of those cases where a poster decides based on information gathered that he's better off passing on a show. This would be one of those cases for me. Although I'm sure many will have the opposite feeling. That they'll now decide the show is indeed worth watching to them.
I'm in the same boat (heh) as you. I've always had a peripheral interest in the show, but would have been more interested in the adaptation if they had gone a different route. I never really liked the violent ends in the game because it was obviously just going for "shock factor" -- the fact that that was what the game became "known for", even though it was only a small percentage of the game endings, proved it worked. The anime producers, likewise, decided to capitalize on that hype/shock factor, and of course it worked here too. I've seen a ton of positive comments about the series on the whole, simply because of this ending. They definitely knew how to make a large fanbase happy. Personally, it really just isn't my thing, I guess.

[HitokiriShadow]

After all is said and done, I'm really not sure how I feel about the show. I hated all the main characters with a passion (and my hate for Sekai multiplied tenfold after we saw what she knew and what she was thinking in this episode), though that's probably a good thing considering how things turned out. You just can't do this kind of thing with characters people actually care about. In any case, hating the characters was kind of entertaining in its own odd way. The ending was more fucked up than I could have imagined. The obvious editing certainly had something to do with it, but Makoto's death wasn't as satisfying as it should have been. But Sekai's death was... not what I was expecting.

But was it worth it? Well, despite my feelings on the main characters (far less so for supporting characters; I still liked Setsuna and Otome was alright), the show still entertained me. As I said before, hating the main characters was its own form of entertainment and there were amusing points like the sound effects during the fanservice (see episode 4) and the fanservice itself. By episode 8 or so, things became so ridiculous that I could no longer take the show seriously and it was simply comedic. When I saw the epsiode title "Everyone's Makoto" I had an idea of what was coming and it delivered. I mean, three girls that Makoto seemed to barely know suddenly decided "Well, our friend fucked him and so is everyone else important, so why don't we? Hell, lets one up them and make it a threesome." and they all show up at his house? Hilarious. I also found the show more amusing when viewed as a parody of shonen romance and harem shows/manga.

Would I watch this show again? No, probably not. I want to see those particular scenes unedited because I'm a sick bastard, but that's it. This was a one trick pony and while hating the cast was a unique experience, it was still frustrating and I'm not going through that again.

So was it worth it? Yeah, I guess so.

[jojo_home]

My question is, why don't we see these type of endings more often? As some people noted in that blog link, it wasn't uncommon in Greek or even Shakespearean plays. With all the shock and awe going on right now in response to the ending of School Days, you'd think more writers would mine the past for outlandish gold like this. Oedipus kills his dad, fucks his mom, then plucks out his eyes. Sekai kills Makoto, Kotohona kills Sekai, then rips her open to check for a baby.

What's the difference in shocking-ness? :D

[Sean_Connolly]

My question is, why don't we see these type of endings more often? As some people noted in that blog link, it wasn't uncommon in Greek or even Shakespearean plays. With all the shock and awe going on right now in response to the ending of School Days, you'd think more writers would mine the past for outlandish gold like this. Oedipus kills his dad, fucks his mom, then plucks out his eyes. Sekai kills Makoto, Kotohona kills Sekai, then rips her open to check for a baby.

What's the difference in shocking-ness? :D

Well, anime in general has been in a sort of happy-happy moe mode for awhile now. So, something like this could come as a shock for someone not expecting it.

Perfect example, girlfriend of mine started School Days and thought it was going to turn out a cute little harem romance show. Well, she was half right. What she didn't see coming at all was that it was actually a cute little harem sex romp with a cast of flawed, emotionally unstable, and downright mean characters. Things getting to such a point that...well, it turned out like it did.

She was kind of confused and the show tested her notions of who was right and wrong in situations like these not only in shows like this, but in real life. Sometimes, screwed up shit like this happens. I've known at least two women who did was Sekai did, I've known women who are so beat down, they just shut down, I've known guys who are exactly like Makoto (especially in high school).

It did kind of sadden me that it took an eroge to shake things up a tiny bit and not something else since the market is overflowing with eroge adaptations and moe pap. Better than nothing though.

Why don't more shows do it? Well, it's a pretty bold risk. People are conditioned for happy endings. Throw them a screwball and they get all hurt.

[Shikamaru824]

I'm with Patchouli Knowledge and relentlessflame flame on this one. It's definitely a "well, what the hell was the point" kind of thing. You learn about these characters and their experiences, just to have a slash & gore fest at the end. It's more of a cop-out..or pandering, then an actual ending IMO. I know I was disappointed, I'm totally a "happy-happy" ending person. :P

[Ty]

I think it's what the majority of the game's fans honestly wanted to see, so they were just fulfilling expectations. I mean, after the events of the last few episodes what was left to salvage of the situation anyway?

[Shikamaru824]

I think it's what the majority of the game's fans honestly wanted to see, so they were just fulfilling expectations. I mean, after the events of the last few episodes what was left to salvage of the situation anyway?

Yeah, I know but...they could have salvaged something. And I agree that this is what the games' fans wanted. (I never played the game, so...)

Really it's just me; coming off a disappointing ending to Wild Arms 5 and then this ending; I'm just not in the mood for anything depressing. Hopefully Potemayo and Zero Season 2 will sooth my anime psyche. :D

[jojo_home]

I've known at least two women who did was Sekai did, I've known women who are so beat down, they just shut down, I've known guys who are exactly like Makoto (especially in high school).



I agree that in real life, some people do act this way, but I'm surprised that you've known TWO women who killed their ex-boyfriends! O.O

Or maybe you meant that they lied about being pregnant.

[HitokiriShadow]

Or maybe you meant that they lied about being pregnant.


Or that they helped them hook up with other girls to make themselves look good.

Yeah, maybe some clarification there would be good.

[Sean_Connolly]

Or maybe you meant that they lied about being pregnant.


Or that they helped them hook up with other girls to make themselves look good.

Yeah, maybe some clarification there would be good.


Lied about being pregnant of course. lol

I did know one who assaulted her ex-boyfriend because he started dating long after they broke up as well.

Lesson - People are jacked up in the head sometimes. Perhaps that why I find the ending to School Days interesting and even a teeny, tiny bit refreshing. Whacked out crap like that can and has happened.

Now, I wonder who will license this. I would LOVE to see how an english dub turns out.
:>

[ayareiko]

I think it's what the majority of the game's fans honestly wanted to see, so they were just fulfilling expectations. I mean, after the events of the last few episodes what was left to salvage of the situation anyway?
For as much of a unredeemable d*** Makoto was, I say he got off easy.

[ayareiko]

In light of things, I find this really f'n funny...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU-pZ0ozBG8

[Shikamaru824]

Heh. I would have Sekai win every battle :P

After skimming over the series again, what upsets me the most is the fate of Sekai and Kotonoha. You don't drive beautiful girls to being psychotic; that's just one of the rules. I would have love to seen the girls come together and realize that Makoto is a piece of garbage not worthy of their spit. And to make the "Blood Please!" crowd happy, there'd be some juicy torture scenes for Makoto; at the hands of said girls - definitely long and painful. Also, the girls discover their love for each other and are together at the end. Yuri Happy Ending FTW!!

[Ty]

I think it's what the majority of the game's fans honestly wanted to see, so they were just fulfilling expectations. I mean, after the events of the last few episodes what was left to salvage of the situation anyway?
For as much of a unredeemable d*** Makoto was, I say he got off easy.
I though he was pretty much a D-bag from the beginning, but I didn't actually begin to despise him until the scene where he took advantage of Setsuna (the only girl in the show who wasn't despicable either).

[Rhodes]

ummm how did Makoto take advantage of Setsuna. In the entire show... he never once forced/raped any of the girls. Its all "oh no you shouldnt we shouldnt" crap while they go at it.

Sure Makoto was a horn dog... who followed his dick. But come on when girls come up to you and say please jump me so you shouldnt cheat on your girlfriend and be true to her... i mean lets be serious here.

if you look at it without any bias from the game and who you want to "win"... from the 1st day it was pretty straight forward romance and the 1 act that started all this was the kiss on the train before they parted ways... thats the kiss Sekai planted on Makoto.

[Ty]

Don't even try to defend him here. ;) Taking advantage emotionally is still taking advantage. Actually the best part of the whole show was the thought that if Sekai hadn't been selfish and asked to switch seats Makoto and Setsuna may have fallen for each other properly and none of the events in the show would've happened. It's noted that he was much nicer 1st term afterall.

[Rhodes]

Well he was pretty nice and normal till all this started up. Thats why he had several girls like him after all... it wasnt an act, he was a "nice guy". just that when he had one girl after another offer themselves up well he went with his dick instead.

yeah those 2 probably would of hooked up if they hadnt switched seats... but then he and kotonoha would of worked things out and be a couple without all the drama if Sekai didnt kiss him at the train either.

i still dont get why makoto gets all the hate... i've seen my share of hentai shows and cheating on your partner isnt that big a deal to me for these scenarios compared to rape or blackmail for sex etc that is the plot line for some shows/games.

sides i'm still wondering if kotonoha got raped during the school dance/festival... i thought she did but the show didnt mention what happened to her when she zoned out.

[Ty]

He gets it on with the entire female cast, large as it is, and shows little consideration for any of their feelings until he is forced to at the very end with Kotonoha because he's suddenly run out of fuck buddies. Personally I think the intent of the anime producers was to make Makoto very easy to hate on purpose. They just lay it on so thick.

[Rhodes]

well not every female character...

and again if you play any of the h games thats what you can do... nail close to all the female characters. but in his case he didnt rape them... well not all h games have rape, it's either rape or like in school days all the ladies just offer it up. which is why i dont get the fan hate from school days compare to other h games with romance in it. but i guess those games dont have bad ends like the kind you can get with school days.

[relentlessflame]

and again if you play any of the h games thats what you can do... nail close to all the female characters. but in his case he didnt rape them... well not all h games have rape, it's either rape or like in school days all the ladies just offer it up. which is why i dont get the fan hate from school days compare to other h games with romance in it. but i guess those games dont have bad ends like the kind you can get with school days.
Well, School Days is very different from the sort of games in the genre that usually get animated. It's sort of an unusual cross between "story-driven" and "sex romp", where the choices you make in the game can have totally bizarre and unexpected consequences (including those bad endings). The anime adaptation played on that bizarre fusion, and the net effect is something that's more than a little unusual, certainly for people who only know the genre for its anime.

If you look at the Da Capos, Shuffles, and ToHearts of the genre, they're told more like seperate, independant love stories. You have maybe 10-12 hours of story leading up to maybe one or two sex scenes, followed by a story-driven resolution. Sex is part of the game, but typically only in the context of a relationship built up through the storyline. When they port the games to the PS2, they take the sex out completely, since it's not really an essential part of the story. They're not "h games with romance in it", they're "romance games with sex in it". So, anyway, all that to say that most fans of the genre who came at it through anime are more used to these sorts of stories. If they came into School Days expecting something similar, the end result would leave them somewhat shocked.

[Ty]

well not every female character...

and again if you play any of the h games thats what you can do... nail close to all the female characters. but in his case he didnt rape them... well not all h games have rape, it's either rape or like in school days all the ladies just offer it up. which is why i dont get the fan hate from school days compare to other h games with romance in it. but i guess those games dont have bad ends like the kind you can get with school days.
The difference here is that when most h-games are adapted into anime they don't retain their "gets to get it on with every girl" storyline. They will usually focus on the most popular pairing or story arc. School Days is pretty novel for being so oddly faithful to it's game roots, but anybody who takes advantage to such an extent just because they can will never be a likable character.

[Sean_Connolly]

School Days is pretty novel for being so oddly faithful to it's game roots, but anybody who takes advantage to such an extent just because they can will never be a likable character.

There's just really no likable characters in the show IMO. It's high school. High school is a hotbed for sex romps, thrown away feelings, broken hearts, and people acting on pure impulse. Something that's never been depicted in such a way outside of hentai before this came along.

Makoto gets the brunt of the hate, but really, all of the characters can go piss off in one way or another. He gains confidence and goes with the flow without settling things up front, the girls want to fuck, Sekai is manipulative, and Kotonoha is so...ugh that you can't root for her. It's a cesspool of ugliness that was just fun to watch personally.

As for the ending, I think the right people "got what they deserve" really. Even if it's an extreme end. It did make me smile and think about pulling out some copies of some good Greek Tragedies. :>

[rg4619]

The difference here is that when most h-games are adapted into anime they don't retain their "gets to get it on with every girl" storyline. They will usually focus on the most popular pairing or story arc. School Days is pretty novel for being so oddly faithful to it's game roots, but anybody who takes advantage to such an extent just because they can will never be a likable character.

Most games that have a "gets to get it on with every girl" story aren't adapted. As relentlessflame mentioned, relationships are generally culminated through independent story routes, so it's rare for a protagonist to sleep with multiple heroines from start to finish. These are romantic stories (catered to the tastes of the target audience) that just happen to depict love scenes explicitly.

School Days is a different kind of game, one in which infidelity is the main theme. Even now, a number of viewers (who're probably accustomed to relatively innocuous shows like Kanon) continue to express shock at the trainwreck they've been watching.

Then again, some people did go into School Days hoping to curse/hate the characters, so some of the strong emotions might be artificially drummed up.

[HitokiriShadow]

He gets it on with the entire female cast, large as it is, and shows little consideration for any of their feelings until he is forced to at the very end with Kotonoha because he's suddenly run out of fuck buddies. Personally I think the intent of the anime producers was to make Makoto very easy to hate on purpose. They just lay it on so thick.

I still think the whole show was a dark parody of the harem/romance genre. At the very least, its clear that you weren't supposed to take those last few episodes seriously.

And yeah, you are definitely supposed to hate the characters, especially Makoto. You can't do this kind of ending with characters people actually like. Can you imagine what would happen if they did this to a show like, say, Ai Yori Aoshi?

[Fencedude]

The difference here is that when most h-games are adapted into anime they don't retain their "gets to get it on with every girl" storyline.

Most of the Eroge that get turned into anime don't have plots or routes like that. If you've managed to sex up more than one girl in a given playthrough, you are probably on a trip to bachelor'sville at the end.

Generally, when the sex romp games get adapted, they get adapted into HENTAI, not mainstream anime.

[Ty]

As they should be.

[kazewa]

Well, the 1 I want to blame is not Makoto,Sekai, Kotonoha, or other characters, but the "story creator"(whoever it is)...
Makoto?... Yes, he is a jerk, but I just piry him, his role decided by THAT very "story creator" afterall...
The story itself(from ep 5 onwards), just too ridiculous n seems to be too made up...
What a waste for the 1st-4th ep...
Why not just a NORMAL bad ending?(like Makoto got dumped by all the female characters)...

[Kenneth_Lee]

A little late to the party, heh. :P

Just caught the controversial last episode for this show, and, wow, UGH... definitely not what I was expecting when this show was first starting out. Just throwing out a few points:

* I had no previous knowledge of the property before the Anime, so when I was watching it, it seemed like a *total* Romantic-Comedy-Drama-Harem show. :sigh:

* I think what bugs me the most about the show is that the Ending is SUCH an extreme change from where it starts out, it's just gratuitous and exploitative for shock-factor only. (>_<) Again, from someone who knew nothing about it, watching the Anime, here you see bits of KGNE, some romantic comedy elements, the spunky girl, the "Pool / Beach episode" :P , even ridiculous (funny) Sound FX such as when they were zooming in on the fan service shots in episode 5 by the pool. Makoto's buddy's exaggerated "oohh!!!" "Waah?!" etc. All points to typical comedy elements. And by the final episode's Bloody Gore Fest, sure, they got what they deserved, but, seriously, WTH?!

It was certainly a shock factor, but I liken this extreme change to you watching an NFL Football Game for 3 Quarters, and then in the 4th Quarter, the Patriots are down by 3 points, and... BZZT! it changes to "Dancing With The Stars!" or "American Idol".

Uhh, seriously, WTH?! :( :roll:

Sure it turns expectations on its ear, throwing a ridiculous curve ball and going extreme, but for me (personal opinion), it was annoying and felt more gratuitous than anything. Using the analogy above, I sat down to watch an NFL Football game (episode 1, 2, 3...) and then at the end, it's Dancing With The Stars, and I'm seeing lame Dancing Couples.

Personally, it's not my cup of tea. School Days ending reminds me actually of the plethora of BAD, BAD Hong Kong movies in recent years... where the script writers for a new HK Action Movie can't decide what they want to do, and during a serious Action Movie, they throw in bits of SUPER-CHEESY Comedy and Slapstick (really bad stuff), and then mix in some laughable Drama-Romance stuff, and then the Martial Arts / Action sequences, and then back to some Cheesy Romance, and then... etc. This kind of turn of events reminds me a lot of those bad Hong Kong scripts actually. :roll: :sigh:

I'm new to these Romantic Anime adapted from H games... I guess in something like Kimi ga Nozomu Eien, they threw you the Curveball Tragedy in Episode 2, and shook things up and set the tone *early* for the anime viewer, and was consistent. Here, it's just... bleh.

YMMV.

[Rhodes]

isnt that what you described most of the jackie chan movies that gets released in the us?

[Kenneth_Lee]

isnt that what you described most of the jackie chan movies that gets released in the us?



Hahah, actually if you saw some of the newest Hong Kong action movies (No Jackie Chan talent, or John Woo direction), it's FAR worse.

The scriptwriting is also even more ridiculous (yes, worse than Jackie Chan's The Medallion or The Tuxedo, with even more Wild Mood Swings). :(

Ultimately, this type of random direction Shock Ending has its place and some people enjoy it.

Just for me, it's totally not what I was looking for: When I buy GOD OF WAR III (Sony PS3), I want to play Kratos and beat the crap outta things.

I'd be pissed if it turned into, say, ROMANCE OF THE 3 KINGDOMS part XX, forcing me to play a Turn-based, Historical War Simulation. (>_<)

[littleharlock]

Originally started as April Fool's Day joke by 0verflow (http://0verflow.com/) earlier this year this is going to get the OVA treatment earlier next year!
School Days ~ Magical Heart☆Kokoro-chan (Sofmap already put up a site (http://www.sofmap.com/product_detail/exec/_/sku=10839446/-/gid=DD03030000) for it).
Release Date scheduled is 2008/03/28 and it seems (according to the announcement) that the School Days TV anime staff will return with Motonaga Keitarou as director, Uezu Makoto in charge of series composition and 0verflow's Goto Junji for character designs and chief animation director, while animation production will be handled by TNK (http://www.e-tnk.net/).

For those that missed the Magical Heart☆Kokoro-chan April Fool's Joke or better said the video 0verflow made for it you can watch it here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXVCL2IaGLQ) (in case this Youtube link is forbidden a mod may remove it please...but as far as I've looked 0verflow did put down the video as download from their page past April Fool's Day ^_~).

All there's left to say: Kokoro power-up! :bigsmile:

[HitokiriShadow]

Well, that was amusing.

I look forward to the OVA. Kokoro was one of the very few characters I didn't hate by the end of the show. And I'm all for random mahou shoujo spinoffs.

[pianocello]

Having just finished this, I think I can safely say that this is in my list of my top 10 worst anime of the year. But on the other hand, I also think that more harem anime (specifically Tenchi Muyo, Tokimeki Memorial:Only Love ) should be like this anime because of two reasons:
(1) tEh sEcks
(2) I'd like to see more wimpy indecisive male leads who enjoy stringing other women along get what they deserve in the end.


Anyhow, School Days should have been a full-blown hentai anime. Maybe they should make it like Bible Black and add all the weird stuff too? :grin: