Zero No Tsukaima Season 2 discussion [Archive]

martod

07-10-2007, 09:29 PM

Strange how Zero No Tsukaima seems to be very popular in Japan, but you see relatively little discussion of it in English anime sites, AOD in particular.

Well, anyway, it's season 2 time!

There will be spoilers from season 1 here so if you haven't seen season 1 and intend to don't read on.

Episode 1

-Louise is now beyond tsundere--she's downright bipolar. At any given moment she's either beating Saito to within an inch of his life for THINKING the wrong thing or practically throwing herself at him.
-Saito now shares a bed with Louise, isn't being whipped, and isn't being called a dog. All he has to worry about is getting blasted with void magic and beaten with Louise's wand whenever he even looks at another girl. I'm wondering if he preferred being her dog.
-Louise should have been thrilled that the thought policing glasses she gave Saito went off for Tabitha-I guess breast size doesn't matter to him after all.
-I hope Siesta has more to do in this series. I thought she really didn't have much to do in the first season accept be someone for Louise to get jealous of--even the episode revolving around her had her just waiting for Saito to come rescue her.
-Looks like Henrietta will have a bigger role this time.
-I wanna know what happened during Louise's beating of Saito at the end of the episode that caused her to lose some of her own clothes.

Foxfossil

07-11-2007, 07:57 AM

Spoilers:
I'm glad someone's starting a discussion about this series. I really like this series as well and am glad the second season has started.
THere are spoilers here too I'm sorry for some reason I can't get the spolier tab to work right.

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I thought it was funny when he was flying the Zero around Tokyo in his Dream and with his personality the girls skirts come flying up as he flys low.

And also I liked the part when the Guard came in to find Saito being whipped with Louise on top of him with clothes missing. I so though I was going to hear NOOOOOOOOO!! and then an explosion.

golthin

07-11-2007, 03:01 PM

something

07-11-2007, 07:42 PM

::pretends the ending to season one never happened:: WOO HOO! More Louise~

Episode 1:

- So Saito decides to stay with Louise instead of going home. Well, of course, since we do need a story and all.
- Awesome, the first thing Louise does is exhibit precisely what makes me love her so much XD She's agreed not to call him a dog, make him sleep on the floor, or whip him anymore, but in return, asks him not to look at other girl anymore... particularly, maids. XD Hahah, oh Siesta. Also, why is Saito sleeping with shoes on?
- The OP might grow on me but right now I don't like it nearly as much as the first season's.
- Henrietta is going to be crowned as Queen soon, yay. The cardinal notes that although the invasion was held off, they're still technically at war and need to be on guard.
- Alright, some lady just killed some blonde haired guy and I can't for the life of me remember who the hell he is. I could skim the last ep of season one to brush up, but I just ate and want to avoid anything that could cause nausea. I *think* I can remember some vague stuff about it, like... well there was that short flashback to the soldier dude who tried to seduce Louise away and who was actually on the enemy's side. I guess Cromwell was the guy that lead the Albion forces? Wait wait I think it's coming to me now, that ring... I think he used that ring to control Albion and send them into war. But if the ring is gone and he's in jail, why is Albion still launching a war? >_>
- Louise gives Saito a pair of gaudy glasses, and soon he finds out their purpose. He runs into Siesta and drools at the site of her megabreasts, which makes the glasses light up. Yes, they're glasses that don't come off, and light up when he looks at a female pervertedly (other than Louise) :sd: She then fries him with a spell... so much for her promise at the beginning :sd:
- Then he gets zapped again when he sees Montmorency in a short skirt :sd:
- Then Kirche. Then Tabitha. Then two dozen other girls. When they get into town, Louise brings up the fact that every single girl set off his perv trap... even Tabitha. "You don't care as long as it's a girl, do you?" "Pretty much." XD Wrong answer! Of note, Louise has gotten a lot better at controlling her magic, apparently :sd:
- Then they see, of all people, Henrietta. Saito's glasses light up again, Louise blows him up again. Still, I bet if Louise were wearing the glasses they would have lit up like a lighthouse when she saw Henrietta =P
- That last explosion, so close to the queen, gets Saito arrested, and Louise flips out at the castle demanding him back :sd: She then meets Agnes, leader of the imperial guard.
- I don't remember Saito being so openly lecherous in the first season. He was a perv, sure, but only because he was surrounded by hot women. I don't really remember him being so forward with them, but it's been awhile so I donjust 't remember. It just seems a strange development for him when he and Louise had finally said how they feel. Well, sort of...
- Henrietta asks Louise and Saito (she knows that Louise became a void mage and Saito is Gandalfr) to help her, to be her closest confidants because everyone around her wants to go to war. She needs someone she can trust, someone who will help her turn things around. She in addition to her loyal guard run by Agnes, she recruits Saito and Louise.
- Hah! The ED is fantastic. It's like, tsundere distilled into a song :sd: Oh, and Henrietta was kidnapped, preview says it was the Prince who was supposedly dead in season one.

Good first episode, though I'm really hoping they develop Saito and Louise's relationship a lot more before the end. I also think they realized that Louise was a VERY divisive character in season one. Either people hated her or loved her, so I think they're just going to give the people who loved her more of that and give up on winning over the people who hated her. ::shrugs:: Thankfully, I loved her.

martod

07-12-2007, 09:54 PM

- I don't remember Saito being so openly lecherous in the first season. He was a perv, sure, but only because he was surrounded by hot women. I don't really remember him being so forward with them, but it's been awhile so I donjust 't remember. It just seems a strange development for him when he and Louise had finally said how they feel. Well, sort of...

I don't think he was more perverted--he just seemed that way because the glasses alert everyone whenever he has remotely dirty thoughts about anyone. He did try agressively to get a kiss from Henrietta, but that would hardly have been the first time he kissed someone without their permission.

I also think they realized that Louise was a VERY divisive character in season one. Either people hated her or loved her, so I think they're just going to give the people who loved her more of that and give up on winning over the people who hated her. ::shrugs:: Thankfully, I loved her.

IF this episode is any indication, she's going to be more divisive this season. In season 1 I could understand her frustration with having a familiar who actually had his own free will and didn't exist only to serve and protect her. In this episode, she's just being a control freak. :sd:

Shikamaru824

07-18-2007, 12:22 AM

Talk about tardy to the party...better late then never right? :sd:

A new season of Zero calls for a return the Louise we all know in love in the avy department. :D

But as far as the show goes, pretty much what I expected for the first episode. But right at the end I thought the show was going to hit the ground running, with the princess (queen now) already being kidnapped. But the preview kinda deflated the suspense there.

But it's so nice to see my Tsundere Queen back to her old ways of whipping and calling Saito a dog. But would he want it any other way? I know I wouldn't O.O :virgin:

something

07-18-2007, 08:23 PM

Episode 2:

- Flashback to three years prior, Wales and Henrietta by a lake pledging that their love will become a rainbow that unites Albion and Tristein. >_> Honestly, I had totally forgotten that he died :sd:
- He shows up at her window, but the method of his arrival and what he says make it pretty likely it's someone impersonating him to get close to her. "I'm alive, my substitute died!" >_> yeah sure. He then asks her to come to Albion with him, and like a schmuck she agrees.
- The next morning Agnes enlists Saito and Louise's help in tracking down Henrietta. They set out in the Zero, cutting the take off to close that they tear off a chunk of the walls in the process.
- Ah there we go, the ring that was stolen has the ability to give life to the dead. So... someone dug up Wales' corpse and brought him to life to control him and make him steal Henrietta?
- Flashback again, to a NEKKID Henrietta, bathing in the lake.
- Agnes and her group catch up to Wales and Henrietta, and Wales proceeds to attack them with wind magic. Henrietta protests at first, but he basically tells her to shut up and trust him, and she buys it :sd:
- Saito and Louise are having troubles of their own. The Zero sputters and stalls, and as they plummet towards their deaths, Tabitha and Kirche soar by and Tabitha saves them with a wind spell. Saito then pilots the Zero into a water landing on the lake [uhhh... I don't think it can do that...], and they quickly realize it's the stolen ring that has brought Wales back.
- Ughhhh Henrietta is SUUUUUCH a schmuck. They tell her about the ring, about how this isn't the real Wales, and she persists in defending him even while he makes ridiculously suspicious faces and chuckles confidently to himself. Still, what's interesting is that he seemed genuinely surprised at the mention of the ring. So he's being controlled, definitely, but didn't know he was a revived Wales.
- Even after Tabitha ventilates Wales' torso with shards of ice and he heals instantly, Henrietta still insists it's him >_> I think she needs some sense smacked into her by Louise. With her tongue. In bed. Naked. Sweaty. Mmmmmmmm~
- Wales manipulates his and Henrietta's magic into a Hexagon-class spell, but Louise is able to use the Book of Will to chant a Void spell while Saito protects her (which is the role of Gandalfr, as the talking sword reminds him). The spell dispels Wales' magic and the spell controlling his spirit.
- "Although I was being controlled, I hope you can forgive everything I've done." Shouldn't he collapse and be gone the moment the controlling spell is dispelled? Anyway, with that, Wales dies (again), Henrietta cries, and the episode is over.

Is it just me or is episode 2 waaaaaaaaay too early for this kind of drama? :sd: Ah well, a good ep nonetheless. It's just sort of strange timing to do something like this, but it does beat him coming back at some cheesy time late in the series.

Oh and I still love the ED. Bwhahah.

Suwako Moriya

07-18-2007, 08:49 PM

*Reads the something news report* So episode 02 can be boiled down to Henrietta allows lust err love to lower her intelligence? :sd: Well either way I wonder what the main plot thread for this season will be. I'll find out eventually as summaries and information for the episodes comes up.

martod

07-30-2007, 09:18 PM

I didn't really like episode 2. A whole episode devoted to a relationship that got about ten seconds worth of development in the first season.

Episode 3 was a return to form though. Saito is again showing some of the fearlessness that made him such a good male lead in the first series, and it was nice to see him jealous too. And I love Louise when she's stuck between tsun and dere. :D

Guilio Cesar from Romalia, huh? I'm going to guess Romalia happens to be a boot shaped peninsula to the south of Tristein. ;) The problem with that name is that ZNT's world is filled with references to Rennaisance era Europe, and Julius Caesar predates the Rennaisance by a few years--a few as in 1500. :sd:

something

08-03-2007, 06:02 PM

Episode 3:

- It looks Tristein's army is going to attack Albion, and we get to meet a new bishie, Giulio Cesare, who has pretty much already positioned himself as Saito's rival for Louise's affections. And with all the male mages sent off to battle, he essentially cockblocks Saito, who was looking forward to being the only non-teacher male remaining in the school.
- Speaking of that war, I still really don't feel like they've done a good job explaining why it is seen as necessary or desirable by either side. Albion was being manipulated by the ring, the bearer of which was captured and recently killed. There are others behind the plot still alive, yes, but is the populace still being controlled? Do Tristein's leaders not understand what happened? It's just not very well explained. Perhaps it's just been so long since I saw season one that I'm missing something obvious, but this just isn't set up terribly well right now. Then again, I guess I really don't care, I just want to see Louise's panties again.
- In the middle of class, Agnes and her soldiers burst in and order everyone into the courtyard to practice basic self defense. When their professor tries to intervene, Agnes silences him with her sword and tells him she hates mages, especially fire mages. Out in the courtyard, Montmorency disparages the lowly tools of the soldier and says the wand is all she needs. Agnes walks up to her, yanks the wand from her hand, twists her arms behind her back, and makes the point very clear that if your wand is all you have, you're far from invincible.
- Giulio wastes no time getting his groove on with Louise (so, what evil faction does he work for?), which makes Saito jealous. He's interrupted in his seething by one of Agnes' soldiers who starts chasing him around with a wooden sword, which he's unfortunately useless with, since his power only works on real weapons.
- This is playing out rather familiarly... mysterious new guy comes in and tries to sweep Louise off her feet. Saito gets jealous and they wind up challenging each other to a fight. The prize is a kiss from Louise >_> Louise forbids Saito to use a real sword though, because she thinks Giulio might die if Saito uses his Gandalfr powers.
- Saito asks Agnes to help him train, saying that while his power will help him win with a real sword, he wants to actually learn how to fight so he can win in any situation, and not just rely on his power. This is just the sort of thing Agnes likes to hear.
- XD Louise can't find Saito, so she accuses Siesta of hiding him... in her breasts XD
- More misunderstandings, more Saito being beat silly.
- During the battle, Giulio lets Saito win, for reasons unknown. Saito notices this and is pissed and storms off, with Louise following him sputtering about how it makes her look like she's been rejected if he won't kiss her XD God she's so cute. But then an emergency meeting is called between Agnes' people and "Codename Zero", Louise and Saito.
- So Giulio isn't a bad guy (yet), he's been sent by the Pope of Romalia to aid Henrietta in stopping the war, and thus becomes Louise and Saito's comrade at arms along with Agnes.
- And over in Albion, whatever happened in the interim to keep things stirred up, Sheffield (Cromwell's subordinate) is now in control of the ring and is inciting Albion to war against Tristein.

something

08-03-2007, 06:03 PM

Episode 4:

- Someone just as strong-willed as Louise - her sister Eleanor. She storms in, tells Louise she's coming home. She drags her and Saito along, and when she sees Siesta, she grabs her too, and demands she work for her :sd:
- Eleanor has arrived to take Louise away from the war preparations, and bring her back to be... a bride >_> Also, Siesta, riding in a separate carriage with Saito, says that she understands Saito's true feelings for Louise, and this she's giving up on him.
- At the Valliere mansion we meet Louise's other sister - the nice one, Cattleya. You can certainly see why tsundere is practically genetic for Louise. It's like Cattleya got pure deredere genes, Eleanor got pure tsuntsun, and Louise wound up getting the mix.
- Heh heh. Siesta thinks to herself that she had planned to back off and leave Saito and Louise alone, but it seems to her like those two aren't getting anywhere (reasonable conclusion for her, really). She looks at her face in a mirror, and decides that she's definitely a worthy woman for him. Then she looks a bit lower to her breasts, turns around, and thinks "No matter how you look at it, it seems I win!" XD
- Oh here we go again XD Siesta, newly confident, sneaks into Saito's room that night. Then Louise, at Cattleya's gentle prompting, gets out of bed to do the same thing... and while she's walking there she's thinking up excuses she give as to why she came to see him XD
- HAHAHA XD I've been waiting for something like this XD Louise sneaks under Saito's covers. Soon as she does, someone pulls her close and kisses her on the mouth. Louise is startled but likes it, and reaches out and grabs... a handful of Siesta breasts! XD MOAR!!!!!!
- Ohh Siesta is getting catty. She claims she's in Saito's bed because Saito called her in. Oh god poor Saito :sd: I don't think Siesta realizes what she just did...
- But Saito isn't there. He's looking for Louise because he's concerned aout this 'bride' talk. Unfortunately for him he finds himself in Eleanor's room instead, she mistakes him for the Count she likes, he mistakes her for Louise and... it ends badly for him.
- Oh that didn't end how I expected. Louise that is. Saito indeed got whipped into oblivion, but Louise, instead of walking in on them and pummelling Saito, instead goes back to Cattleya and... cries her eyes out. Aww~
- You know, honestly, while Louise is all sorts of violent and Saito gets beat whether he deserves it or not, he certainly deserves some of the blame. He's just dying to grope anything he can get his hands on. Now, I mean, who wouldn't? But he's completely lacking self control. No wonder Louise gets the wrong idea all the time. he is a perv.
- HAH! He totally just made up for all that in the very next scene. Cattleya arranges an escape for Louise and Saito, and tells him where she is. He goes to her, and she's despondent, thinking that he really did call Siesta to him last night. She's also depressed that she has to take abuse from her family, because she can't prove them wrong, as her Codename position and her Void magic are top secret. But Saito totally comes through out of the blue, telling her straight up that he does care for her, he does trust her, he does acknowledge her, he does want to protect her he does love her. Woo!
- This turns Louise into a sputtering wreck of epic deredere adorable godliness, and he shuts her up with a kiss. Then he lays her down on the boat and kisses her more, and repeatedly tells her he loves her, and haha oh christ I can't believe this isn't ending in a punchline and more abuse.
- It does end, but with the boat running aground and Louise's parents seeing her making out with Saito in the boat XD Her father immediately decrees that Saito be decapitated, but he escapes with Louise (who is just on cloud nine and barely conscious) and boards the carriage being driven by Siesta.
- Ah damn, I guess it's too early for this to stick after all. We do get the "misunderstanding" punchline, the beating, the inu inu inu inu~. I guess that's okay though, they just made MAJOR progress in that boat, even if it won't bear fruit until later (assuming it does at all).
- But Siesta is incredibly determined, and fully intends to "beat" Louise, since she doesn't know about Saito's confession in the boat. Heh oh man...

martod

08-07-2007, 09:45 PM

And here we see why Saito is the greatest harem anime main guy in the history of harem animes. He confesses his love and immediately starts making out with her(and more). He takes everything he can get. :D

I'm liking Siesta a lot more in this season. She seems to have much more of a personality and isn't just a cute girl for Louise to get jealous of. Also, I can smell doujinshi authors working on "enhancing" Louise and Siesta's little accidental rendevouz in the bedroom. Unfortunately, knowing doujinshi authors, they probably envision either Saito joining them or one of the girls growing a phallus.

Oh and one more thing--CHIBI LOUISE! :D I love that nickname/insult so much! Amazing how that one word can make Louise so much cuter.

HitokiriShadow

08-08-2007, 01:31 AM

It's odd, I honestly didn't care for the first season that much and I continuously asked myself why I was still watching it. But I'm actually enjoying the second season. It's especially fun seeing Eleanor nag Louise.

And Henrietta and Seista are love and are still the main reasons why I'm still watching this. Fanservice is also a plus. I can only hope Jessica will show up again at some point.

I'm liking Siesta a lot more in this season. She seems to have much more of a personality and isn't just a cute girl for Louise to get jealous of.

I was always rather fond of Siesta but its nice to see her actually doing something. I don't remember the first season even suggesting she was interested in Saito, but now she's actively going after him and really IS Louise's rival (but for better or for worse, she's destined to lose).

Foxfossil

08-08-2007, 08:25 AM

I'm really enjoying this season. I am glad they are letting Siesta play a bit more of a role in this season as a rival for Saito, and also introducing Louise's Sisters. I can pretty much guess where Louise gets her love for beating Saito from. I still like that Louise basically only uses magic that goes kaboom however I miss all the back fire ones from season one that got her as well.

something

08-09-2007, 09:21 PM

Episode 5:

- So now the students' training involves how to efficiently use magic in a combat situation. Taught by... Eleanor >_>
- Gah. At least Louise has a deredere side, Eleanor is just unrelentingly mean and annoying and bitchy. Puke.
- Heh, Saito is on a bed musing over Louise's sisters' panties when Siesta comes in, probably to make a move on him. And that she does. She takes the panties from him and wonders aloud if she should try them on. Then she's about to (...who the hell wears someone elses' underwear just like that?) when Louise comes in. Saito tries to avoid a misunderstanding, but Siesta is in seek and destroy mode, and does her best to complicate the situation. Man, I totally did not expect her to have this evil, devious side. She doesn't much care what she has to do to Saito and Louise in the process of winning the former over. I just never would have thought she was capable of this sort of attitude. It's pretty hot, so I'm not complaining, but it does seem pretty sudden, given how passive I remember her being before.
- Oh, and then there's an explosion elsewhere in the building to break the tension >_> Oddly enough, Louise is willing to give Saito a chance to explain what happened in the bedroom just prior. She's actually, truly, giving him a chance... but Agnes requires his help, and he has to part with Louise for the moment. :sd: Figures.
- Osman (or whatever the principal's name is) managed to mark the thief with a magical stamp. Right on her copious bosom. (...did Eleanor have breasts like that? Maybe it isn't her, hard to tell with the outfits she usually wears.) Agnes had told Louise to go back and Saito to stay because only non-mages are taking part in this investigation, since the culprit is obviously a mage (and an Earth mage at that). So in order to find out who, they have to... check all the girls' boobs for the mark :sd:
- Saito gets tasked with doing the job for... Louise's sisters >_> Could it be any worse?
- Alright, Eleanor indeed does not have breasts like that (or at all, really), and so it's definitely not her. It could of course be Cattelya, going for the "so innocent it's obvious" route.
- But he doesn't get a chance to see, because Louise finds him and, angry, decides to test out her new whip on him :sd: And why is he so, so amazingly horrible at explaining himself? Even when he has the chance >_> I guess if he did, the jokes wouldn't get a chance to play out =P And it resulted in an adorable scene where Louise calmly kneels down next to him, and asks him to guess what she's thinking. "Forgive Saito?" ::smiles, shakes head no:: "Go to bed now?" ::smiles, shakes head no:: "...Kill Saito?" ::smiles even more, shakes head yes happily:: XD
- Explosion in Cattelya's room. An explosion that conveniently places a superficial burn on her chest, right where the stamp would have been :sd: But since Guilio and Agnes come to that conclusion right away, and even find the imitation rings in Cattelya's room, the setup is far too perfect and thus the likelihood of it being Cattelya swings entirely the other way again :sd:
- And it turns out to be neither, instead going the final route -- make it a throwaway character. Michelle, Agnes' subordinate, is the thief. She fights with Saito a bit and manages to escape, until Cattelya calmly calls up a HUGE golem to block her path XD
- She goes on with her some sob story, and Agnes reveals that the one she did it for was in fact the one responsible for her trouble, and so on and so forth. I guess they'll be forgiving Michelle or something now.

And I'll say it again, I love the ED~ DON'T TOUCH! TOUCH ME!

Looks like some Henriettaservice in the next ep.

HitokiriShadow

08-10-2007, 12:48 AM

- Heh, Saito is on a bed musing over Louise's sisters' panties when Siesta comes in, probably to make a move on him. And that she does. She takes the panties from him and wonders aloud if she should try them on. Then she's about to (...who the hell wears someone elses' underwear just like that?) when Louise comes in. Saito tries to avoid a misunderstanding, but Siesta is in seek and destroy mode, and does her best to complicate the situation.Man, I totally did not expect her to have this evil, devious side. She doesn't much care what she has to do to Saito and Louise in the process of winning the former over. I just never would have thought she was capable of this sort of attitude. It's pretty hot, so I'm not complaining, but it does seem pretty sudden, given how passive I remember her being before.

I love Siesta's aggresiveness in this season. In the first season, I don't think it even implied she had feelings for Saito. She was just clueless. I suspect this may just be one of the aspects of the show that was lost in the adaptation process for some reason.

something

08-10-2007, 06:19 AM

I love Siesta's aggresiveness in this season. In the first season, I don't think it even implied she had feelings for Saito. She was just clueless. I suspect this may just be one of the aspects of the show that was lost in the adaptation process for some reason.
I do remember a couple things. At the very least she was attracted to their common status. And wasn't she sort of hot for him when he set up an impromptu batch in the courtyard near the end? It wasn't overflowing with a budding relationship but I think some signs were there. Maybe... been so relatively long.

HitokiriShadow

08-10-2007, 12:08 PM

Yeah, now that you mention it, she may have shown some signs when they shared the bath. Maybe. It's been way too long. The common status thing seemed like it was on the friendship level though, since she really didn't have anyone else of her status around there (or at least no one her own age). She appears to be the only maid there. The only other servants I recall were a few cooks and were much older than her.

HitokiriShadow

08-15-2007, 12:14 AM

There was a plot about Anies' revenge but who cares about that.

In this episode we get more of the Divine Goddess Henrietta, and she reveals that she is LOVE and SEX incarnate.

Sadly, there was very little Jessica. I think the "prince" was supposed to be her, but I'm not sure. I don't really remember much about her from her single episode in the first season, to be honest. I remember she had a very large chest, which the 'prince' did NOT have, but since she was trying to be a guy (kind of) maybe she tried to wrap them up and suppress them or something.

Oh well, Henrietta was HOT.

Foxfossil

08-15-2007, 11:12 AM

There was a plot about Anies' revenge but who cares about that.

Oh well, Henrietta was HOT.

I have to Agree Henrietta was so sexy in this episode. I guess she doen't mind kissing Saito at all. I think in the first season did Saito take the princess's first kiss I can't remember.

Jadawin

08-15-2007, 11:25 AM

There was a plot about Anies' revenge but who cares about that.

:D

In this episode we get more of the Divine Goddess Henrietta, and she reveals that she is LOVE and SEX incarnate.

Those were some very hot Saito x Henrietta moments. :virgin:
First Saitos hands between her assets and then the scene on the bed. Saito must have a special aura around him. :D

Anyways, no idea if there'll be a flashback later on which explains what happened with Saito x Henrietta after the guards left, but this is what happens in the novel (posted by Sushi-Y in a known forum): Even after the guards left, Henrietta continued the intense kiss on top of Saito. But just when Saito's mind was about to evaporate into nothingness, Henrietta raised her head and looked down at him with a flushed face and watery eyes, sweet breaths can be heard leaking out from between her lips... Then she asked him to "treat her like a lover would, just for tonight"... For a few minutes, inside the small, smelly and dinky bedroom, with the sound of rain in the background, Saito and Henrietta lost themselves in each other...

And then Saito remembered Louise and how she would never forgive him if he went any further with Henrietta, so he stopped himself.

......Talk about an integrity of steel.

Wow... :blush:

HitokiriShadow

08-15-2007, 01:10 PM

Yeah, I hear the novels are bit steamier than the anime. I can't wait for them to come out. :virgin:

Jadawin

08-15-2007, 02:07 PM

Yeah, I hear the novels are bit steamier than the anime. I can't wait for them to come out. :virgin:

I need a release date for vol. 1 NOW!

Speedy Boris

08-17-2007, 04:56 PM

Haha, episode 1 was great- a nice light way to get back into the second season. Those glasses that beeped whenever Saito looked at another girl lustfully was classic, especially when he walked by Kirche.

EDIT: And ""Suki!?Kirai!?Suki!!!" is one of the best ending songs I've heard in a while.

Speedy Boris

08-18-2007, 11:52 AM

It's weird, even though this show veers into predictable harem territory at times (i.e. many girls vying for Saito, and Saito in situations that look bad and perverted for him), it's executed so well that I don't really mind. Plus the war and magic elements of the plots mean that the show isn't entirely about that, anyway. I think it's an acceptable balance.

martod

08-27-2007, 08:41 PM

Interesting fact--Louise has now kissed as many girls(2-Siesta and Anies) as Saito has(Louise and Henrietta). I love at the end of episode 6 how Saito briefly turns the tables on Louise by reminding her of her own recent romantic misadventures before they go back into their (kinda tiresome) Naru and Keitaro routine.

HitokiriShadow

08-27-2007, 11:00 PM

I love how no one gives a damn about the plot in this show. :D Episode 7 had almost nothing in the fanservice department (just Siesta in a sailor uniform) and very little in the plot department as well (not that anyone really cared).

In any case, the most fanservice episode 8 has is a bunch of girls in pajamas and nothing particularly sexy either.

Once again, the action scenes disappoint. They are dull and they whitewash the violence. Pretty much the entire musketeer squad gets wiped out and only the dialogue lets you know they are dead and not just unconscious.

At least Tabatha looks like she may actually do something next episode. And the identity of the Snake of Flame should be painfully obvious.

08-27-2007, 11:36 PM

It's evil. I swore off this show because Louise gets on my nerves more than half the other anime characters I dislike in the world combined. The rest of the show is almost a divine example of fanservice done right. Siesta + seifuku = love. It calls to me, but I must resist no matter the cost! The big foldout posters in Megami and (I think) Animedia featuring the girls in school outfits did ease the pain quite a bit though. :)

something

08-29-2007, 04:58 PM

Got behind, so I'll just note things that amused/annoyed/aroused me.

Episode 6:

- Ahaha, is that the place where Louise worked in the first season, and got that sexy outfit from? Awesome XD
- Yep, it is, and Louise is helping out~ And Giulio appears to make Saito jealous some more.
- Henrietta spends a lot of time on secret missions, doesn't she? And of course not telling Louise that Saito is now her bodyguard, wonderful setup for more misunderstandings :sd:
- Oh god, Henrietta trying to wear Louise's shirt... so hot, but I don't think that's a good way for her to *avoid* attention :sd: Also, wtf is Louise going to wear? XD
- So sexy with that little ponytail~~~
- Oh man she's a little whore. "I'm cold, please hold on to me!" ...How about, like, use the covers or something? Also, I love how the guards just totally give up their search when they see people getting it on. :sd:
- AHAHA XD Looks like the same ploy works for Agnes as well XD AGNES x LOUISE, HOT!
- Poor Louise, nobody is telling her wtf is going on :sd:
- Whee, Agnes actually got to kill the guy. Good. I feared someone would jump out from the shadows and lecture Agnes on how killing for vengeance was wrong or some shit. YAY FOR DEATH!!!
- Saito fails at explaining himself as usual, but Louise remembering what *she* did as well was hilarious XD

Good episode, totally need Louise x Henrietta NOW. Asymmetrical docking!

something

08-29-2007, 06:12 PM

No subthread on 7 so I'll reply for 7 and 8 in one post.

Episode 7:

- Hmm, Henrietta is being further pressured into declaring war. And she does! Yay, kill kill KILL!!!
- Saito buys a seifuku for Siesta >______>
- The DANGEROUS SECRET ARCHIVES aren't very secure if Eleanor can just pop in and undo the lock just like that :sd: I know she's good, but she's not supposed to be THAT good, is she?
- ...Saito can detect Seista's jiggling breasts from far distances in the dark XD
- Also, Siesta is soooooo fucking catty. That's one thing you can say about Louise, she doesn't pick fights with people. Well, except Saito, but he doesn't do his part to defuse dangerous situations either :sd: But Siesta, she just comes right out with "Saito said Louise doesnt have any breasts so it wouldn't look good on her!" Raaaaaaaaawr, hiss, hissssssss.
- Ahahaha, "It's just a rumor, but they say captain Agnes is into women.." "I knew it--er... >____>" XD
- Countless thousands of books and they start by just pulling them off the shelf and reading :sd: What would she have done if the title wasn't obvious? Where's the magical archival finding aid?
- ...Agnes has been defeated by a book.
- So she escaped by having Colbert carry her on his back, just like she was carried out of the fire by a man long ago. yeah, it's gotta be him =P And I'm guessing he was one of the mages sent to incinerate the place, which is why he's stressing that those who did the deed didn't know the truth :sd:
- Or he's the captain himself :sd: Or it's someone he's covering for. I'm kinda surprised they're sticking with this Agnes backstory so long into something significant.

And the fact that they think they're going to wrap up a war in the time they have left at the pace they're going cracks me up. I wish they'd dispense with all pretense of "plot" and just make with the HOT HOT Louise x Siesta x Henrietta yuri. ...Pretty please?

[Episode 8[/b]

- Oh god. Benuniruwhatever is so horribly cliche death-loving soldier dude it hurts to even look at him. And whatsherface (the one they're trying to pass off as a villain, as if ANYONE gives a shit at this point) is telling him to destroy the magic academy. And so Agnes' personal fight comes full circle back into the larger war, since he was involved with the burning.
- Hmm, Louise wants to head to the front lines with Henrietta and Agnes, but Eleanor will have none of that.
- Colbert and emotional baggage are going to get annoying.
- Wow, air security at the Magic Academy sucks. Generic baddie and his even more generic lackeys just fly right in.
- Why hello there Kirche and Tabitha, I forgot you two were alive. Too busy molesting each other, I guess, which is perfectly fine with me, but not if I don't get to see it, damnit!
- Agnes and her harem take out three of the five instantly, so that leaves one for Saito and then the baddie for Agnes. Or for Colbert, since... eithre Colbert or this guy was the commander.
- ...Um wait, how many guys did he have? I guess more were hiding on the ship :sd:
- Osmond and Giulio were taken too? Bullshit, they can take out some random thugs. Osmond is probably just playing along though.
- Eleanor and Cattelya too? Well, gotta get everyone else captured so Agnes can prove her stuff I guess. Hopefully Louise too but maybe not yet.
- Ahahaha, Mega win for Louise. "The magic for unlocking is... ah whatever" ::BOOOOM::
- Lawl, stupid baddie reveals his role in the burning just like that. How convenient for Agnes.
- Oh eat a dick Colbert, you know full well just how strong the four people you're talking to are. Plus, main character advantage, more than enough to win!
- Ahaha, so Colbert was the captain after all, this dude was just vice-captain. But Colbert must have lashed out at this guy for going overboard, and scarred him. And thus Colbert would also have been the one to save Agnes.

This episode was about the plot and all, which I guess is a good idea, but psh, who cares? More boobies (or lack of boobies in one case), damnit!

martod

08-29-2007, 07:46 PM

I love how no one gives a damn about the plot in this show.

In general, plots are vastly overrated.

something

08-29-2007, 08:05 PM

I love how no one gives a damn about the plot in this show. In general, plots are vastly overrated.
I just hope they don't suddenly change their mind in the last episode and throw something together that's about as fun as a bucket of cow shit (i.e. ending to season one). It's not that I want them to just abandon all semblance of story or anything like that, but they better realize that the strengths of the show lie elsewhere, and play to those accordingly.

Also, I don't even want them to mention the Zero or returning home. Just... don't do it. That can feel nothing but horribly forced at this point. Sorry Saito, you're stuck with all the hot women, there's no going back =P

Unless, like I have considered for Nagasarete Airantou, he brings them ALL back, and then we have a high school romantic comedy in modern day Japan with the girls =P

HitokiriShadow

08-29-2007, 09:58 PM

And the fact that they think they're going to wrap up a war in the time they have left at the pace they're going cracks me up. I wish they'd dispense with all pretense of "plot" and just make with the HOT HOT Louise x Siesta x Henrietta yuri. ...Pretty please?

Yeah, I don't know why ZnT is still pretending to have a plot and acting as if anyone cares about. I mean, it was kind of cool to see Agnes stab the guy, but that's because ZnT tends to whitewash all the death and the plot really doesn't have much going for it. I think there's a good reason no one posted on episode 7 before you did (well, I kind of mentioned it) and it shows how much people care about the plot in ZnT. ZnT's plot is at its best when its laughably bad. Unfortuntaly, episode 7 was just kind of there. Siesta in sailor seifuku was the episode highlight and apparently even that wasn't enough to get anyone to post on it.

[Episode 8[/b]

- And whatsherface (the one they're trying to pass off as a villain, as if ANYONE gives a shit at this point)

I love how she's so blatantly evil and apparently no one in the country gives a shit.

- Wow, air security at the Magic Academy sucks. Generic baddie and his even more generic lackeys just fly right in.

And more white washed 'death' follows. OH, look its a hand and it stopped moving. *yawn*

- Ahahaha, Mega win for Louise. "The magic for unlocking is... ah whatever" ::BOOOOM::

That was hilarious.

This episode was about the plot and all, which I guess is a good idea, but psh, who cares? More boobies (or lack of boobies in one case), damnit!

Well, at least they remembered that Tabitha and Kirsche existed. Well, next episode should finally finish this stuff with Agnes. Maybe. Which will leave 3 episodes to deal with Evil Queen Lady. Maybe. But it would be better if the war was ignored or crammed into the last episode or something since no one really gives a shit about it. And then we could have a hot springs episode or something. Maybe they could go back to the bar and they could remember Jessica this time.

Speedy Boris

08-29-2007, 10:19 PM

Yeah, I watch ZnK more for the comedy than the war plot. I think the show does that aspect better.

HitokiriShadow

09-04-2007, 10:26 PM

Wow, nice job Anies, you're a fucking idiot.

That said, the last few minutes of the episode were fairly decent. I was surprised they actually killed off Colbert.

martod

09-14-2007, 12:05 PM

I just finished episode 8, and I'm starting to wonder if this season the Zero in the title refers to Louise's part in the plot rather than her magic skill. :sigh:

For all intents and purposes, Anies is the heroine of this season, and it annoys me to no end when characters who we've already grown to like are forced to take a back seat to new characters.

HitokiriShadow

09-18-2007, 09:08 PM

Yay, Siesta is back and Jessica finally appears again!

We get Louise in a skimpy catgirl outfit, but more importantly Siesta counterattacks with a skimpy bunnygirl costume with +5 Wardrobe Malfunction. Fighto, Siesta-chan~!

THIS is why I keep watching ZnT.

Oh, and there's the damn plot. Fuck the plot, this is definitely NOT why I watch ZnT, it's why I keep wondering why I'm still watching it after three episodes of plot. Give me more Jessica and Siesta! And Henrietta, too.

something

09-20-2007, 08:49 PM

Right, where was I... cliche buff dude I don't care about indirectly revealed that teacher guy was the one who burned Agnes' town. Alright.

Episode 9:

- Ok so like, more of the enemy dude loating, and being silly, and "seeing temperature" >_> And blah blah he's boring. And Kirche got her ass kicked.
- And OMGWTF COLBERT IS THE ENJYA I'm so very surprised. Agnes is confused and angry and Colbert talks about protecting his students.
- But the best part of the episode so far was Louise and her rope untying magic. She undoes Eleanor and Cattlya's bonds, and Eleanor says it was a fluke. So Louie get angry and waves her wand in the air and undoes them all at once! She looks so happy XD
- Then there's more with whatshisname fighting Colbert. And Agnes flipping out. And stuff.
- But really, how do they manage to mix such bad fight choreography (most of the time) with what was... honestly, really goddamn impressive lighting/flame effects in the latter part of this fight? It looked really damn good when whatshisname gathered flame for his final attack, before Agnes ran him through (that's two kills for her, gj!)
- Holyshitwhatthefuck? They seriously had the balls to kill Colbert (though not by Agnes' hand)? Are you serious? I am genuinely surprised, and sort of impressed, I guess.
- ...What just happened? When did I enter the bizarro universe? How did ZnT II suddenly get some compelling? The scene between Saito and Louise at the end, with her reading the letter and then hugging him while he cries was... wow, it was incredibly well done (especially his tears flowing down her cheeks as she pulls him close).

Seriously, if they were capable of this why didn't they do it earlier? :sd: The Agnes arc definitely ended on an interesting note, and I'm glad, but I'm even more glad it's over. And now we have a few short episodes to actually tell the main story.

So... cmon, why not just make the last four or so episodes onsen episodes instead?

Speedy Boris

09-22-2007, 09:11 AM

HitokiriShadow

09-25-2007, 11:10 PM

And, we end with three episodes worth of material crammed into one. On the positive side, that means they cut out all the crummy plot and most of the fighting which was never ZnT's strong point. The little bit of fighting they did show was actually animated nicely, although it was rather ridiculous seeing Saito mow down hundreds of trained soldiers and orcs and whatnot.

Also, we get a brief glimps of the fairy girl, whoever she is. I don't know her name, but I saw a bit of art of her, Saito and/or Louise at one point, so I was kind of wondering about her. I guess we'll see her if there is a third season. And if there is a ZnT 3, I hope they will realize that no one really cares about the plot aside from how it affects the character relationships and allows for fanservice.

something

10-03-2007, 05:08 PM

No ep 10 subthread so I'll post 10-11 here.

Episode 10:

- Huh? Maybe it's because I waited awhile between 9 and 10 but I totally feel like I missed something. Or a lot of somethings. After dealing with Colbert and all that, suddenly they're in Albion and Louise is being asked to use her magic to attack? Is this episode 10?
- God damn, talk about diving right into the action with no setup at all. Henrietta asks Louise to use Void magic, Louise agrees. Next scene they're flying over the enemy city and Louise is trying to use her magic. Saito is getting a faceful of panties and Louise's magic fails, then they get run aground by two dragon riders.
- The "Must not kill! (even though it's fucking war)" theme is getting gradually stronger, and it's probably going to be driving me nuts by the end of the show.
- Still, in the meantime, we at least get more fanservice. Saito is freezing his ass off, and after Louise accidentally renders him unconscious, she feels sorry and decides to take his suggestion of warming with skin to skin contact... =D
- Huh and it actually went smoothly. Allll night... Saito wakes up the next morning without a clue :sd:
- Sheffield... NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOU, YOU'RE A SHITTY, SHITTY VILLAIN.
- And so they make nice with the dragon knight who helped shoot them down, Henry. >_> Also, Saito says the Zero is a military secret he can't talk about... as it sits in the snow way back, ripe for the picking for Albion :sd:
- Aaaaaaad saved by Guilio. And the writers go, "Oh shit, only two eps left! We totally forgot there was more after that whole Agnes thing!"

Episode 11:

- Mmm, so the Zero was retrieved since the Albion forces had withdrawn.
- Ahaha, Saito you loser, you just got tsuntsuned. XD Louise heads off with Guilio for the recon mission instead of asking Saito. He says that she should go with him, but she shoots back "I thought you didn't want to help the war?" and off she goes XD
- Oh, right, Siesta. There was supposed to be that whole thing with her going after Saito that got sort of forgotten. =P In some ways, I agree with Saito that the war is stupid... it takes time away from the plot points that matter... like this love triangle!
- Hahah, the creepy cafe owner dude (Siesta's boss) totally reveals Siesta's plan to come to Albion and find Saito, but she doesn't seem to mind at all. She's cast aside all shame, and that's hot.
- Oh man, Guiche is sooooo transparent despite trying to act so nonchalant about his medal :sd:
- Louise returns to the room and Derflinger (or whatever) chats with her and makes her stop lying to herself about Saito. Course, just as she gets renewed determination to confess to him, he's off cavorting with big breasted Siesta and her big breasted cousin. And so there will be more misunderstandings and... and holy shit this is the next to last ep :sd:
- Ahaha, the sword recommends Louise switch roles with Saito for a day, and become HIS familiar XD
- ...oh god, this is going to be baaaaaad XD She gets into that super sexy cat getup (where the hell did she find that?) just as Siesta and company are coming by to invite her out...
- XD OH GOD YES, NEED MORE OF THAT AND LESS OF PLOT AND LEAST DEVELOPED VILLAIN IN ANIME HISTORY Louiseeeeeee <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
- Oh yeah, she fucked up. The explosion of deredere resulted in an equal and opposite explosion of tsuntsun, and now she's telling Saito she did it for Guilio and how much better Guilio is and blah blah... just as Siesta is running off to get an outfit of her own... Good job, Louise =P
- Ahaha, Siesta-pyon! This is awesome. Next to last ep, theres supposedly a war going on, and they just throw their hands up in the air and give us utterly amazing catgirl and bunnygirl fanservice. This is automatically the best episode. Oh goddddddd~ The ending can only be disappointment now.
- Annnnnnd, Saito and Louise have this stupid, stupid fucking "nobles must be willing to die/dying for honor is stupid/you dont understand/no you dont understand/NO U/NO U DOUBLE DOG JINX/blah blah/blaaaah blah" routine. MAKE IT STOP PLEASE.
- Siesta runs out worried that she has ANYTHING to do with what happened... wtf, obviously not. Siesta, I'm sorry, you're just boobs now, you have no plot relevance whatsoever, resign yourself to that :sd: Oh god her advances are so obvious.
- And thus the most pointless villain ever makes a last ditch attempt at relevance, by poisoning the troops and making them attack each other and Henrietta :sd:
- We get elf elf chick Tiffiania next ep, she better get some hot cosplay too.

Suwako Moriya

10-03-2007, 06:57 PM

And if there is a ZnT 3, I hope they will realize that no one really cares about the plot aside from how it affects the character relationships and allows for fanservice.

From reading posts at the evil forum it seems a lot of people do care about the story. Well mainly those familiar with the novel anyway. Simply because they know what's getting cut out and condensed. Granted I haven't really started watching the show yet myself. However the general impression I'm getting is that how people feel about the show is dependent on what they desire out of it.

relentlessflame

10-03-2007, 07:57 PM

From reading posts at the evil forum it seems a lot of people do care about the story. Well mainly those familiar with the novel anyway. Simply because they know what's getting cut out and condensed. Granted I haven't really started watching the show yet myself. However the general impression I'm getting is that how people feel about the show is dependent on what they desire out of it.
Well, yeah -- after the first season, a lot of novel readers were upset that the show was so untrue to the source material. And then, a lot of people introduced to the series through the anime became interested in the novels, and now they're upset that the second season isn't true to the source material. Perhaps they were thinking that a change of director would indicate a change in focus/approach, but if anything I think the new director tried pretty hard to make the show similar to the first.

Anyway, it is interesting watching people's reactions to the show. There's certainly a very large, and very vocal group claiming the second season is a disaster, but I personally felt that it was much like first (which works for me). As you said, it's all about expectations.

HitokiriShadow

10-03-2007, 11:58 PM

- Huh? Maybe it's because I waited awhile between 9 and 10 but I totally feel like I missed something. Or a lot of somethings.

I missed you too. But how do you miss yourself? And multiple copies of yourself at that?

After dealing with Colbert and all that, suddenly they're in Albion and Louise is being asked to use her magic to attack? Is this episode 10?

Supposedly. The pacing of this season is absolutely horrid and they really don't know how to play their strengths. The season was heavily focused on the whole Agnes thing which left little time for anything else. They seem to have needed an entire season for everything after the Anges and Colbert stuff, but they only had 3 episodes so they did a lot of jumping around and skipping stuff. They really should tell the plot to go screw itself and find more ways to get Louise and Siesta to kiss and dress up in sexy animal outfits.

- The "Must not kill! (even though it's fucking war)" theme is getting gradually stronger, and it's probably going to be driving me nuts by the end of the show.

I didn't mind the "no kill" thing in Ruruoni Kenshin, but for some reason, the way its handled in just about anything else just really grates on my nerves. And this certainly wasn't an exception.

- Aaaaaaad saved by Guilio. And the writers go, "Oh shit, only two eps left! We totally forgot there was more after that whole Agnes thing!"

Yep. And yet, they waste time on the stuff in this episode. It was an utter waste of time and the only points (Saito's no kill spiel and Louise's noble's honor crap) could have simply been dealt with in other episodes in about 30 seconds.

- Oh, right, Siesta. There was supposed to be that whole thing with her going after Saito that got sort of forgotten. =P In some ways, I agree with Saito that the war is stupid... it takes time away from the plot points that matter... like this love triangle!

Apparently, someone at JC Staff dropped the memo.

- We get elf elf chick Tiffiania next ep, she better get some hot cosplay too.

Look forward to all 5 seconds of it.

Speedy Boris

10-04-2007, 09:32 AM

It's been a while since I watched season 1 so I don't recall how good or bad the pacing was, but I agree that season 2 needed a lot of work in that department. To me, the show didn't know what it wanted to be: A goofy harem comedy or a serious war story. The two sides didn't mix very well.

I have no qualms with two tones in the same show, but I didn't feel ZnK was successful in transitioning between the two, or leaving enough time/development for both, and we were left with a really rushed ending (especially (spoiler)
Saito coming back to the school ).

something

10-04-2007, 03:26 PM

SpeedyBoris: I do definitely appreciate that you used spoiler tags, but if you're discussing the ending please make your post a reply to one of the posts about the final episode, not eps 10-11.

Haven't quite watched ep 12 yet, I'm waiting for, uh... "moar pixels".

The season was heavily focused on the whole Agnes thing which left little time for anything else.
From the first hints (when her subordinate is found to be a thief) to the death of Colbert, that was six episodes mostly focused on her. That's just... amazingly disproportionate to its importance.

They really should tell the plot to go screw itself and find more ways to get Louise and Siesta to kiss and dress up in sexy animal outfits.
Seriously, you think this wouldn't exactly be rocket surgery. I get the feeling they realized this, but felt bound to at least pretend towards a plot.

I didn't mind the "no kill" thing in Ruruoni Kenshin, but for some reason, the way its handled in just about anything else just really grates on my nerves. And this certainly wasn't an exception.
I tolerated it in Kenshin (partly because Saitou was there to pick up the slack) but yeah, it's... annoying. If it were done well, if the show were built around it, it would seem far more appropriate than how it's pulled off in, like... every show ever. (That said, I would not be likely to watch such a show. Trigun sorta tried it, and I hated Vash.)

Look forward to all 5 seconds of it.
Somehow that doesn't surprise me at all :sd: At least I can put an (animated) name to the face I see in fanart and such.

You know, all the flaws aside, I'd still totally buy both seasons is licensed... er, I mean, licensed and released. And I'd watch a third season without any hesitation even if it were about as ridiculous as this one, because I really do like the characters. Somehow, even when the series is really bad, it's still pretty easy to watch. Dunno why. Maybe the moments of fanservice are enough =P

Speedy Boris

10-04-2007, 06:57 PM

You know, all the flaws aside, I'd still totally buy both seasons is licensed... er, I mean, licensed and released. And I'd watch a third season without any hesitation even if it were about as ridiculous as this one, because I really do like the characters. Somehow, even when the series is really bad, it's still pretty easy to watch. Dunno why. Maybe the moments of fanservice are enough =P So would I. Unfortunately, with Geneon going under, it may be a while before the first season is license rescued by a company that's still alive. Or not- it may happen quickly. Sure would be nice. :)

HitokiriShadow

10-04-2007, 07:46 PM

You know, all the flaws aside, I'd still totally buy both seasons is licensed... er, I mean, licensed and released. And I'd watch a third season without any hesitation even if it were about as ridiculous as this one, because I really do like the characters.

Same here. I'll get the R1s if/when they come out and I want to read the novels to see if there is any improvement.

Somehow, even when the series is really bad, it's still pretty easy to watch. Dunno why. Maybe the moments of fanservice are enough =P

It's because when its bad, its usually laughably bad and then there are the occasionally moments of utter awesomeness in the fanservice department.

something

10-08-2007, 07:33 PM

Moar pixels acquired, commencing crappy ending!

Episode 12:

- Hay guys, it's the last episode, let's suddenly ruin the OP with shitty sound effects! I swear they didn't do this before but maybe I haven't watched the OP on awhile. Sound effects in the OP is the cheesiest goddamn thing ever.
- Ok, it's started pretty well, aside from the absurdity of the villain who has done nothing suddenly hitting upon the idea of poisoning everyone and making them revolt. But Saito and Louise get another good scene (like after Colbert's death). Louise finally articulates her "noble" outlook in a way that even Saito has to accept to some extent (in terms of protecting others), but she doesn't want Saito to stay behind.
- So.. she proposes marriage! Ahaha XD This is going to the the most tsundere wedding ever.
- Ooh, Saito you bastard. He's gonna slip Louise some date rape drugs (ok, sleeping potion, whatever), just when she's dead serious about finally giving herself to him as an equal. I get why he's doing it, but...
- Huge thumbs up on the scene in the church. Louise finally says what she's wanted to say for so long... just as the potion kicks in. Damn. =( The sudden moments of brilliance really show what ZnT is *capable* of, it just usually doesn't do it.
- Feh! Saito you douche. He sends Louise off with Guilio and tries to be all macho and stay behind by himself. -_- Give Louise a chance to get void magic right again!
- And suddenly Saito is about fifteen thousand times stronger than he's ever been before! Oh well, I'll just ascribe it to the POWAA OF LOVE and stop thinking about it.
- He also went from Mr. No Kill to slaughtering thousands. XD
- And Eleanor is a giant bitch. Louise is so passionate about Saito now, seeing her scream at Eleanor for talking about him like a useless thing really made a good show of

...Oh.
..What the.
....Fuck.

GJ ruining the ending, Saito.

Saito.
SAITO.
I hate you.
Seriously.

DIE IN A FIRE.
...DOUCHE!

And fuck the creators too for not having the balls to end the show on an emotional note. An overall very good though massively rushed final episode, and they just flush it all at the end. Die, all of you bastards, just die a thousand hellish deaths.

...and yet I still know I'd be back for more in a heartbeat if they churn out another season. Argh, fuck me!!

Westlo

10-23-2007, 01:40 AM

Well I just finished this series and while I loved a lot of it some parts just made me want to.. um... sigh or maybe /wrist..

It was probably good in the source material but the way the plot was handled in this show was just awful and uninteresting. Agnes would've had way to much time in this series if this was 26 episodes long let alone 12. Pacing was just off and the villains were just boring and even though the last ep was so rushed it was still great and than they had to ruin it in the last minute.

Seriously we know what sort of relationship Louise and Saito have, it's not going to take much to convince us they are back to their usual love/hate relationship in a 3rd series (if it happens), did they have to ruin an emotional ending like that /sigh Also didn't like the lack of screen time for Kirche and Tabitha :(

The fan service in this series was pretty good (the last minute was just stupid!), got a lot of laughs out of it and I still enjoyed it enough to hope a 3rd season sees the light of day... just hopefully with a new director or the one who did the first season.

Henrietta in episode 6 was awesome :>

martod

11-05-2007, 09:31 PM

I was ready to stick a fork in this season by the time we got to the fifth episode of Agnes no Boring Backstory. But the last two episodes redeemed the show by focusing on Louise and Saito. The last episode was cliched, but it was a good kind of cliched, and at least we got a love confession from both sides(Louise never fully confessed to Saito, but he got the point). Yes, an emotional ending would have been nice, but I knew from the minute Saito came back that he'd say something stupid and we'd end on a slapstick note.

Saito remains one of my favorite male anime characters of all time, even though he appears to have been born without a sense of tact. Louise remains the definition of tsundere, and she remains just cute enough for me to forgive her occasional obnoxiousness. I love it when she stutters. It was also nice in the series to see Siesta get a little more personality.

pianocello

11-20-2007, 03:04 AM

My thoughts on finishing:
The positives:
(1)Yuri
(2)Henrietta's character development and her assets :laugh:
(3)The 1st 3 quarters of ep 12 and ep 6
(4)The really awesome OP.
(5)Siesta finally deciding to do something.

The negatives:
(1)Louise is now officially on my sh*tlist. She is worse than Naru Narusegawa and only marginally better than Yuna Miyama. You would think that she would have gotten better this season and yet she keeps blathering on about how she is a noble and Saito is a commoner. Half the time when she rags on Saito, it isn't really his fault. And her unwillingness to be up front with her feelings is annoying.
(2)All this talk about boobs boobs boobs every episode is annoying. Haven't they heard of the phrase "show, don't tell"?
(3)Saito's boob fetish. It's not funny cause Saito is no Ryo Saeba.
(4)Using Siesta as a plot device to come in between Louise and Saito. Couldn't they have a scene with Siesta telling Louise off about her tsuntsun behaviour?
(5)I hated the last 5 minutes of ep 12.
(6)Wasting time endless filler of Louise getting angry at Saito.

Does anyone know if a 3rd season is being planned?

cjed

11-20-2007, 04:18 AM

I couldn't agree more. While I really enjoyed the first series, I found the second series a huge dissapointment - especially in Louises character development (or rather, lack of it).

something

12-18-2007, 04:23 PM

pianocello

12-18-2007, 09:35 PM

something

12-18-2007, 10:25 PM

HitokiriShadow

12-18-2007, 10:31 PM

As long as I get more of the characters I like {Siesta, Jessica, Henrietta) I'll be more or less satisfied. I would hope for decent plot, pacing, character development, and fight scenes, but this is ZnT we are talking about, so I leave my expectations for such things at the door.

Westlo

12-18-2007, 10:50 PM

Since it's undoubtedly a little ways off I'll just note it here instead of making a new thread.

ANN (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-12-18/third-zero-no-tsukaima-tv-anime-series-announced) reports via MoonPhase that the third season is confirmed.

I am SHOCKED! (note: not really)

And because I'm a sucker for it, epic failure and all, I'll without be watching this one too, without doubt or hesitation.

I guess I can only hope they ignore the last 5 minutes of episode 12 and go straight into Volume 8 which they pretty much summed up in ZnTII as "lol I got saved by a fairy with big tits".

Though Vol 8's contents is probably not something you would want to start a ZNT series off with... maybe they can redo it from the wedding scene and up and expand on that battle that took place when Saito proved you can simply walked into Mordor.

Oh and I hope they get a new director because the one from the 2nd series was an incompetent idiot who had no idea of good pacing.

martod

12-20-2007, 06:55 PM

(1) Either Louise gets a complete character change or we get less of her.
Then there's no point in it being Zero no Tsukaima.

If Louise is too tsundere for you, you're watching the wrong show. It's like asking for Initial D without cars, Gundam without robots, or CCS without transformations and magic. It's not that there aren't many other things in ZnT that are quite interesting in their own right, but it's really not a stretch at all to say that the series' raison d'être is, well, Louise being an extreme tsundere. It's the franchise' defining characteristic. I personally couldn't imagine watching ZnT if I didn't like that element.

Plus there's the number one rule of romantic comedies--nothing kills a romantic comedy like the central couple actually getting together any time before the very end.

Which is the problem with the upcoming third season. Saito knows Louise loves him, and that he loves her. He's gotten at least to second base with her(we don't even know how far they got in that boat). There really isn't much separating them from full coupledom. I'm curious as to how they'll fill out the third season. Hopefully they won't do it the way they filled out the second season--exhaustively developing a not very interesting character who never appeared in previous seasons.