discussing "american" anime here

[zaldar]

How is discussing American anime on this site viewed? For example is it ok to discuss Avatar which I would view as American anime? Should shows like this be reviewed by the site? We all ready have manga written by American's.

[Vicserr]

Anything that is not anime or an anime adaptation(Robotech, BotP, StarBlazers) goes to Off Topic.

[zaldar]

and the definition of anime we are using means it has to be made in Japan? Probably the question I should have asked first.

[Serial Experiments Nobue]

As I interpret it, "anime" as defined by the AoD site and forums is animation produced in Japan for a Japanese audience.

Avatar, Teen Titans, Ben 10, and the like are all produced for American audiences, so regardless of any Japanese influence they may carry visually, they are not "anime" as defined by AoD.

That's how I see it anyway.

[jlazar]

We all ready have manga written by American's.

Which many of us don't consider 'manga'. Comics, fake-manga, manga-influenced-comics, original English language... take you pick of alternate names that are more appropriate for those.

And like those, non-anime titles that don't fit SE Neia's definition (which I agree with) are discussed in the off-topic forum.

[2old2care]

Anime is animation made in Japan for Japanese...financed by Americans.

There is no such thing as "anime" anymore. Avatar rocks, BTW

[LenMiyata]

Grumble Grumble Grumble
As I interpret it, "anime" as defined by the AoD site and forums is animation produced in Japan for a Japanese audience.

Avatar, Teen Titans, Ben 10, and the like are all produced for American audiences, so regardless of any Japanese influence they may carry visually, they are not "anime" as defined by AoD.

That's how I see it anyway.
Produced and targeted for a Japanese audience still remains a valid definition, but made in Japan may no longer be valid...

Case in point, the recent 'Highlander' Anime feature recently released was actually produced by a Hong Kong studio, but made with a Japanese director. Inbetweening work even for the most expensive Anime productions are routinely done by Korean and Chinese studios... And the upcoming Astro Boy CGI feature, made in Hong Kong and distributed by Warner Brothers???

[Lego]

For me, anime is anime. Anime is still a specific word used to describe a specific style and or type of animation. I'm sure if you started a thread in OT you'd have many responses.

[Takato]

As I interpret it, "anime" as defined by the AoD site and forums is animation produced in Japan for a Japanese audience.

Avatar, Teen Titans, Ben 10, and the like are all produced for American audiences, so regardless of any Japanese influence they may carry visually, they are not "anime" as defined by AoD.

That's how I see it anyway.What about shows like Afro Samurai or Robotech Shadow Chronicles where they're U.S./Japanese co-productions created for an American audience? Would those count as anime or would they go in off-topic discussion?

[Dicrel Seijin]

What about shows like Afro Samurai or Robotech Shadow Chronicles where they're U.S./Japanese co-productions created for an American audience? Would those count as anime or would they go in off-topic discussion?

If you want to get into even murkier territory, there's Witchblade. An American property which is being adapted by a Japanese company for consumption in both countries. And said American company has even stated the Japanese adaptation is canon and not an alternate universe or anything, which leaves the door open for the Americans... use their own product. (I'm trying to make a point here but I think my brain just blew a fuse... :sd: )

[zaldar]

ok glad I started this topic as it seems to be something that needs discussing. Now if only the moderators would have a say...

I have always considered it more of a style than where it was made. I can see that definition however. What ever the site uses as its definition I will of course abide by here.

[Fencedude]

No, it doesn't.

[something]

ok glad I started this topic as it seems to be something that needs discussing. Now if only the moderators would have a say...
I have always considered it more of a style than where it was made. I can see that definition however. What ever the site uses as its definition I will of course abide by here.
It's actually been discussed (at length... painfully... brutally... endlessly... really, it got BAD, particularly with manga) before.

Just be sensible about it. 99% of the time there's not question as to what is anime. If you're not at all sure, just make the thread in OT and/or ask a mod on a case by case basis.

[tanahome]

hmm.. how about samurai jack? it's about a japanese doode fighting a japanese demon. :P

[Fencedude]

hmm.. how about samurai jack? it's about a japanese doode fighting a japanese demon. :P

Its not anime. End of story.

[Njr Scrawl]

Where do the anime sequences in Animatrix & Kill Bill stand?

I remember Chris posting his review thread of Lady Death in R1. (OK its his site..), so is that allowed as a precedent? ;)

[bctaris]

Where do the anime sequences in Animatrix & Kill Bill stand?

Seven out of the nine Animatrix shorts can technically be defined anime if just that they were produced first for the Japanese language track, the English side being dubbed. But that's not the primary consideration.

Expanding on the "definition" earlier in the thread, for those outside of Japan, what anime is is dependent on its intended audience. Pretty much that simple. Can be made anywhere, by anyone, from whatever source, as long as the first, or primary intended audience is the anime market of Japan. Animatrix is one in that increasing category of international productions which can be considered anime as much as they can be considered American or European or Asian animation because the intended audiences are simultaneously Japan and other international markets, most often the US. Oban Star Racers, beyond a Japanese animation studio being responsible for its co-production, is another example: its original audience was intended to be Japanese, European and American (and I believe even South American...) (Which is why some of its fans desire its DVD release to have the Japanese, English and French tracks. ;) )

That's always been my take, and I think is the most egalitarian approach, but what anime is for some of its fans is also as much a matter of personal and fiercely defended identity as it is a definition for anything. So what I said may not mean a thing.