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pianocello
12-02-2007, 08:42 PM
Without naming any titles for fear of revealing spoilers, there has already been two recent anime where the lead character meets a violent bloody end at the hands of their love interest. It made me think: there's a lot of harem where I would like the spineless, indecisive lead character to get a violent, bloody ending at the hands of their love interest.

Is there any particular harem anime that you wish the lead would have such a fate? Why?


This discussion by the way, is not restricted to the traditionally guy-surrounded-by-females harem anime but can include girl-surrounded-by-males, yaoi, yuri etc harem anime.

Fencedude
12-02-2007, 08:44 PM
Two? I can only think of one.

"Nice Boat"

Whats the other one?

aagranov
12-02-2007, 08:44 PM
Def the guy from Love Hina. I so wanted him dead like after the first episode. Throw in the ones from Hand Maid May and Mahromatic while we're at it. I can't stand these guys who let the females trample all over them, have some self respect guys! So far I really like Ah My Goddess, I hope it doesn't turn into a harem.

Splitter
12-02-2007, 08:47 PM
Shuffle!... and we were so close, too!

pianocello
12-02-2007, 08:58 PM
Two? I can only think of one.

"Nice Boat"

Whats the other one?


Granted that I've only seen the 1st 13 episodes of the 1st season of a certain bloody harem anime that is now running into its 2nd season but aren't there some arcs where the male lead meets a bloody end?

TnAdct1
12-02-2007, 08:59 PM
Def the guy from Love Hina. I so wanted him dead like after the first episode.
Nah. If someone needs to be killed in that show, it's Naruesegawa.

Splitter
12-02-2007, 09:00 PM
Def the guy from Love Hina. I so wanted him dead like after the first episode.
Nah. If someone needs to be killed in that show, it's Naruesegawa.

Kill the Hocchan character?! BLASPHEMY!

ADC
12-02-2007, 09:00 PM
"Harem anime which you wish the lead character would get a bloody, violent end," you say. As in, some external source comes in and plugs the male lead from behind. That's definitely what Urashima Keitarô needs. :>

HitokiriShadow
12-02-2007, 09:10 PM
Two? I can only think of one.

"Nice Boat"

Whats the other one?


Granted that I've only seen the 1st 13 episodes of the 1st season of a certain bloody harem anime that is now running into its 2nd season but aren't there some arcs where the male lead meets a bloody end?

I was wondering what you meant as well. You mean Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni? That's not a harem show.

pianocello
12-02-2007, 09:33 PM
Two? I can only think of one.

"Nice Boat"

Whats the other one?


Granted that I've only seen the 1st 13 episodes of the 1st season of a certain bloody harem anime that is now running into its 2nd season but aren't there some arcs where the male lead meets a bloody end?

I was wondering what you meant as well. You mean Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni? That's not a harem show.

Guy surrounded by lots of bishoujo (granted they are all psychotic but still) who are potential love interests? I'd say that fits the harem description well.

Fencedude
12-02-2007, 10:03 PM
Guy surrounded by lots of bishoujo (granted they are all psychotic but still) who are potential love interests? I'd say that fits the harem description well.


No, I'd say that you have NO IDEA what you are talking about.

And for that matter, Keiichi isn't even the main character.

Edit: and they aren't all psychotic. Please stop making assumptions about a show you haven't even seen.

The Great Bear
12-02-2007, 10:10 PM
"Harem anime which you wish the lead character would get a bloody, violent end," you say. As in, some external source comes in and plugs the male lead from behind. That's definitely what Urashima Keitarô needs. :>

I thought this thread was about killing the main character, not changing his sexual orientation :P

ADC
12-02-2007, 10:23 PM
"Harem anime which you wish the lead character would get a bloody, violent end," you say. As in, some external source comes in and plugs the male lead from behind. That's definitely what Urashima Keitarô needs. :>
I thought this thread was about killing the main character, not changing his sexual orientation :P
It's AOD. There's no non-gutter of the mind here.

pianocello
12-02-2007, 10:26 PM
Please stop making assumptions about a show you haven't even seen.



Half a season is reasonable enough for anyone to make comments. Or are you going to start saying that anyone who hasn't seen the entire series of any show and isn't up to date as you cannot comment on that show(and going by your logic, anyone who comments on DBZ must have seen EVERY episode of the show). Please. We've had enough of this. If you want to disagree with someone on this forum, disagree in a cordial way and give supporting evidence(whether others may agree or not is a different matter). We don't appreciate you throwing your weight around and patronizing others.

Merr
12-02-2007, 10:28 PM
Kazuki from Maburaho.

The girls in this show may have been insane, but aside from the lead, none of them was asking for an actual relationship with the guy.

It's like, "Hi, I'm a big-breasted blonde chick who wears bondage gear to school every day! Would you like to have sex with me for a million dollars? No? Okay then, I'll just harass you incessantly until I've caused enough bodily harm to make you change your mind!"

All the guy has to do is sleep with two reasonably attractive women and everyone will stop trying to murder him (and I mean literally murder him). :sigh: But if he did that it just wouldn't be a harem show now would it?

Fencedude
12-02-2007, 10:33 PM
Half a season is reasonable enough for anyone to make comments. Or are you going to start saying that anyone who hasn't seen the entire series of any show and isn't up to date as you cannot comment on that show(and going by your logic, anyone who comments on DBZ must have seen EVERY episode of the show).

For Higurashi? Half a season hasn't told you a tenth of what you need to know to understand whats going on. And even after half a season I don't understand how you could consider it a harem show at all, not to mention not realize that Keiichi isn't anything like other "generic harem protagonists".

But if you haven't seen the first season and at least the first part of Kai, you really don't have a clue at all.

Is this true for all shows? Of course not, but Higurashi is not nearly as simple as you seem to think.

And again, Keiichi is no more the main character than Rena or Mion.

Please. We've had enough of this. If you want to disagree with someone on this forum, disagree in a cordial way and give supporting evidence(whether others may agree or not is a different matter). We don't appreciate you throwing your weight around and patronizing others.

And you need to stop jumping on me whenever I disagree with you. Yes, we disagree a lot, but its not because I'm picking on you or anything, I just DISAGREE.

I'm sorry if you find me a tad abrasive, but thats how it is.

HitokiriShadow
12-02-2007, 10:35 PM
Please stop making assumptions about a show you haven't even seen.



Half a season is reasonable enough for anyone to make comments. Or are you going to start saying that anyone who hasn't seen the entire series of any show and isn't up to date as you cannot comment on that show(and going by your logic, anyone who comments on DBZ must have seen EVERY episode of the show). Please. We've had enough of this. If you want to disagree with someone on this forum, disagree in a cordial way and give supporting evidence(whether others may agree or not is a different matter). We don't appreciate you throwing your weight around and patronizing others.


Actually, I find it amusing. And Higurashi still isn't harem. Romance is virtually non-existent and has virtually none of what you would find in a "harem" show no matter how loosely you define it. If Higurashi is a harem, we might as well call Bleach and Naruto harem too.

Westlo
12-02-2007, 10:58 PM
lol @ Higurashi = harem.

Lego
12-02-2007, 11:10 PM
You can't really count My Hime as a harem..

Hmm, I'd have to go with Love Hina..

zaldar
12-02-2007, 11:22 PM
"Harem anime which you wish the lead character would get a bloody, violent end," you say. As in, some external source comes in and plugs the male lead from behind. That's definitely what Urashima Keitarô needs. :>
I thought this thread was about killing the main character, not changing his sexual orientation :P
It's AOD. There's no non-gutter of the mind here.

quoted for truth

Nork22
12-02-2007, 11:24 PM
Higurashi a harem? ROFL!!!!

So as I don't get off track here... if there is one, and it's not really a harem if it's only a triangle, I would say Takayuki from Rumbling Hearts/KimiNozo.

aagranov
12-02-2007, 11:43 PM
There is no way Higurashi no Naku Koro ni is a harem. Watch again.

Isuzu Inugami
12-03-2007, 12:19 PM
"Harem anime which you wish the lead character would get a bloody, violent end," you say. As in, some external source comes in and plugs the male lead from behind. That's definitely what Urashima Keitarô needs. :>

I thought this thread was about killing the main character, not changing his sexual orientation :P

Huh? Isn't this a thread about explosive hemorrhoids? I'm so confused!

Vicserr
12-03-2007, 01:33 PM
"Harem anime which you wish the lead character would get a bloody, violent end," you say. As in, some external source comes in and plugs the male lead from behind. That's definitely what Urashima Keitarô needs. :>

I thought this thread was about killing the main character, not changing his sexual orientation :P

Huh? Isn't this a thread about explosive hemorrhoids? I'm so confused!

Why did you have to remind me with the Miscellaneous Adventures of Poo Boy. :crazy:

TheGreenMan
12-03-2007, 01:35 PM
Ichigo 100%
Love Hina

Sly05
12-03-2007, 03:38 PM
Harem is a pretty problematic, or at least overused, classification to begin with. While there are clear examples, say Shuffle!, it tends to get used for either any series that has a disproportionate ratio of girls to guys (regardless of how many of the girls are interested in said guys). This makes things more tricky when you have series like Kimikiss, which I've seen called a harem, where you have a lot of girls, but the girls are interested in different guys and there is three "main" characters (one of which is a girl).

The term also seems to have such a negative stigma attached to the term that people tend to use it only as an insult for the series they don't like.

That said, the focus of Higurashi is more the mystery than multiple girls trying to end up with Keiichi so I'd agree it's hard to classify it as a harem or even as the broader category romantic comedy.

To leave that aside and answer the initial question. I'd agree with Ichigo 100% as a lot of problems would have been solved if the main character just picked a girl and stuck with it.

Nork22
12-03-2007, 06:14 PM
To leave that aside and answer the initial question. I'd agree with Ichigo 100% as a lot of problems would have been solved if the main character just picked a girl and stuck with it.
He did though. Manga spoilers: In the end he went with Tsukasa, the first person he confessed to. Yes the blondie won.

aagranov
12-03-2007, 08:01 PM
By now I hate, hate, hate harem anime with a passion. I admit I watched Mahoromatic, Love Hina and Hand Maid May as my early guilty pleasures. But I'm over it now, fully recovered and onwards to better things.

RayeKinezono
12-04-2007, 01:19 AM
Well, I don't know if it fits, but Kotonoha (from School Days). She is kind of a lead character.

I was hoping like hell that Setsuna would pop up out of nowhere and gut that little psycho bitch. :susel:

Fencedude
12-04-2007, 01:24 AM
Well, I don't know if it fits, but Kotonoha (from School Days). She is kind of a lead character.

I was hoping like hell that Setsuna would pop up out of nowhere and gut that little psycho bitch. :susel:

*cough*

That was mentioned in the OP...

RayeKinezono
12-04-2007, 04:46 AM
That was mentioned in the OP...


Sorry to be off-topic, but...

It was?! Where? I'd love to see that.

Njr Scrawl
12-04-2007, 06:39 AM
Def the guy from Love Hina. I so wanted him dead like after the first episode.
Nah. If someone needs to be killed in that show, it's Naruesegawa.

Anyone to clear the way for Keitaro to end up with Mutsume!

Kaolla & Sarah can join Naru. :evil:

Ashyukun
12-04-2007, 07:08 AM
Def the guy from Love Hina. I so wanted him dead like after the first episode.
Nah. If someone needs to be killed in that show, it's Naruesegawa.

Anyone to clear the way for Keitaro to end up with Mutsume!


I agree... that was my biggest problem with the show, I wanted to smack Keitaro silly for having not choosing Mutsumi. Nothing against tsundere in general, but Naru just way overdid the tsun and sucked at the dere.

GrateSaiyaman
12-04-2007, 08:08 AM
Hiroki Kamikura

From Canvas2 . . . .



At least the ending would be a little less creepy.

Suwako Moriya
12-04-2007, 08:35 AM
The term also seems to have such a negative stigma attached to the term that people tend to use it only as an insult for the series they don't like.

That I've noticed quite a bit myself. Also from what I've seen the harem elements (assuming a show even has them) are often mixed with other elements. It's the mixture and how it's used that makes some (so called) harem anime better or worse than others.

Suwako Moriya
12-04-2007, 08:38 AM
lol @ Higurashi = harem.

At least reading this thread now reveals the source for that joke in another thread. For the record yeah I wouldn't consider Higurashi to be harem either.

Fencedude
12-04-2007, 10:06 AM
That was mentioned in the OP...


Sorry to be off-topic, but...

It was?! Where? I'd love to see that.


It was one of the two shows PCC mentioned, but for some silly reason didn't want to name.

Also, NICE BOAT

Kouji Tamino
12-04-2007, 11:07 AM
Kaolla & Sarah can join Naru. :evil:

...Well that's not very nice. Leave Koalla out of this! :P

But seriously, as cute and hot as Mutsumi was, she was too sweet. The series would have been boring if she had been the love interest and some of my favorite storylines wouldn't exist. I would have preferred if he had gotten together with Motoko, despite my belief that she was much more bitchy than Naru initially.

Anyway, I'm staying out of this discussion as I'm less jaded than the rest of y'all. I'm still in late in my "Wonder Years", so I haven't reached the point where I'd wish death on harmless characters. :sweatdrop:

Sly05
12-04-2007, 11:49 AM
He did though. Manga spoilers: In the end he went with Tsukasa, the first person he confessed to. Yes the blondie won.

And how many volumes of indecisiveness did that take? :P

Whoomp
12-04-2007, 12:40 PM
To Heart, Yukinari, he is so fricking ignorant and ugly.

martod
12-04-2007, 06:57 PM
Almost all male leads in harem animes should die. Nobody watches those shows to see the male lead, yet so many creators still force the girls to play second fiddle to him.

Buckeye
12-04-2007, 07:34 PM
To Heart, Yukinari, he is so fricking ignorant and ugly.
The main character's name is Hiroyuki in To Heart. Yukinari is the main guy in Girls Bravo. If you mean both then say so.

pianocello
12-04-2007, 08:41 PM
Two shows that haven't been named:

Tokimeki Memorial: Only Love
I'd like to see Tsukasa Kasuga and Mina Yayoi take a kitchen and skin that gutless Aoba. Then after that, both girls leave the country to have a hot passionate yuri affair.

Tenchi Muyo
I'd like to see Aeka and Ryoko mutilate Tenchi repeatedly for being such a spineless wimp and not giving them an answer to their feelings. Thereafter, Ryoko and Aeka realize that their constant rivalry is due to their suppressed sapphic attraction to each other and decide to be a yuri couple.

ADC
12-04-2007, 08:48 PM
Thereafter, Ryoko and Aeka realize that their constant rivalry is due to their suppressed sapphic attraction to each other and decide to be a yuri couple.
Ayeka's the butch, Ryoko's the bitch.

Njr Scrawl
12-05-2007, 12:24 PM
Be cute if Ryo-Ohki & Ken-Ohki mated & had lots of little baby cabbits. :noodle: :noodle: :noodle: *goes back to nursery*

Sensuifu
12-05-2007, 01:32 PM
Tenchi Muyo
Thereafter, Ryoko and Aeka realize that their constant rivalry is due to their suppressed sapphic attraction to each other and decide to be a yuri couple.

which you see in the Pretty Sammy OVA.

RayeKinezono
12-06-2007, 02:49 AM
That was mentioned in the OP...


Sorry to be off-topic, but...

It was?! Where? I'd love to see that.


It was one of the two shows PCC mentioned, but for some silly reason didn't want to name.



I've watched and re-watched every OP in the School Days series. No clues.

I also scrutinized every minute of episode 12. I didn't see Setsuna anywhere in the ending, just the typical ending with Kotonoha on the boat with "Makoto."

Does she show up somewhere? Because that would really turn around the ending for me. The one person I wanted to be taken down was the only one (of the three--Setsuna not included) left at the end.

Fencedude
12-06-2007, 03:17 AM
I've watched and re-watched every OP in the School Days series. No clues.

I also scrutinized every minute of episode 12. I didn't see Setsuna anywhere in the ending, just the typical ending with Kotonoha on the boat with "Makoto."

Does she show up somewhere? Because that would really turn around the ending for me. The one person I wanted to be taken down was the only one (of the three--Setsuna not included) left at the end.

...

*sigh*

"OP" == "Original Post"

School Days is one of the two anime PCC was referring to (the other being Higurashi, but we've covered that one).

I responded with "Nice Boat", which you can read about here (http://miezaru.donmai.us/wiki/show?title=nice_boat) and here (http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2007/09/19/nice-boat-wusses/)