Kimikiss Thread 2 (18-24) aka Lego intervention thread [Archive]

Westlo

02-09-2008, 06:00 AM

Link to the previous thread Right Here (http://www.animeondvd.com/forum/showtopic.php?tid/24995/tp/1/)

As posted by Something in the original thread.

ANN (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=8210) entry.
Official (http://www.kimikiss-pure-rouge.jp/) site.
Schedule (http://cal.syoboi.jp/tid/1240/time) for airing dates and times on various stations.

Note
As usual, please try to follow these two easy forum courtesy habits when replying:
1) If you're the first person to post about an episode in any given week, please respond to the root post (this post) and indicate in the subject line which episode you're posting about.
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Thanks.

I'll start the post for 18 in a sec.

Westlo

02-09-2008, 06:04 AM

I'm looking forward to seeing exactly what Mao will say to Kai as well as seeing something more from Futami. Who should be in this episode quite a bit more than usual since she narrated the next episode preview in 17.

golthin

02-09-2008, 07:10 PM

Well, with lego being a casulaty of this show. I guess I should do this! this episode is an example of how spoilers and second hand info can be so misleading. Here is a little summary of
the episode.

The episode continues where episode 17 left off. Mao this time apologizes to kai. She begins to leave but Kai stops her and asked why. She tells him that she always thought that their relationship was as a sibling. That after he got together she tried to encourage him with Yuumi. That she also tried to be serious about her relationship with Kai, but that not matter what, she couldn't get Kouichi out of her mind. Mao apologizes again and runs off after Kai left go of her hand. We see Kai's eyeless face on the background.

Kouichi is asking his mother where Mao is, when she returns Kouichi and his mother are alarmed as she is soaked wet. The next day she caught a cold and can't go to the filming of the movie. Kouichi can't get his mind off her being sick during acting practice. He ask for a break and sends Mao an email.

Sakino arranged a meeting between Futomi and Kazuki. She then runs and when she looked at them together she can't help but feel pain. Futomi invites KAzuki to her apartment and give him some of her awefull coffee. She tells him the reason for the experiment and that now that she has her answer, that the experiment is over.

Kouichi on the way home after seeing yuumi to the train station, met Kai on his way to work. He asked him if something happened with Mao. Kai tells him that they broke up. Kouichi asked him why, but he only get a smile from Kai and he tells him he has to go to work.

Kouichi goes into Mao's room and asked her why did she break up with Kai. Mao is hiding under the covers, she is feeling now better as her fever is gone. Mao under the covers tells him that it doesn't concern him if she broke up with kai. Kouichi admits that it is true, that it doesn't concern him. He tells her that he will do anything in his power to help her.

She gets mad at him for always being so kind, and asks him not to be kind to her anymore. Kouichi keeps insisting and even proposes the idea that he will go and talk to Kai about whatever problem they had. Mao gets out of bed and tells Kouichi that she loves him. There is a long silence between the two of them. Mao gets more angry and tells Kouichi to get out and pushed him out of the room. Kouichi gets the door slammed in his face still with the same expression all the time.

Now lets talk about some info that was given about the episode. I think that someone was lying to himself when they said that Kai didn't give up on Mao

After watching episode 18, I completely disagree with the opinions of that person. Mao also never said that she loved kai but that she was trying to be serious about her relationship with Kai. That is all it was said. It was obvious to me that Kai accepted the break up as he was the one that told Kouichi about it.

So this is a perfect example of taking the opinions of other people too serious. Listen to what ever other had to say, but don't take it as gospel.

Westlo

02-10-2008, 06:15 AM

I don't know why I have zero problems with reading Kimikiss spoilers, even to the extent of looking at the raw on nico last week for 17 yet won't touch a True Tears spoiler at all if I can help it. (Yeah I posted in ep 6 thread for it.. but someone didn't spoiler tag that thing... was only reading the thread to see non spoiler impressions :\ nevertheless I maintain it was revealed too early to be true!)

About 18
Looks like a fun episode and finally we have some movement on the Kouichi x Mao front, though it's pretty funny to see what made her confess in the first place lol.

About Lego + 19-21 "spoilers"
Lego gave up too early.

From reading what you and other people posted about 18 it looks like Kai has accepted the brake up. So unless Kai decides otherwise in 19 (which I think would be stupid really) that guy must've got his information wrong.

Anyway when I initially read that "surprisingly cheers up Mao" spoiler I never thought it was an indication of him being back in the race for Mao. Reading about this episode just makes me continue to think that..

golthin

02-10-2008, 08:57 AM

About Lego + 19-21 "spoilers"
Lego gave up too early.

From reading what you and other people posted about 18 it looks like Kai has accepted the brake up. So unless Kai decides otherwise in 19 (which I think would be stupid really) that guy must've got his information wrong.

Anyway when I initially read that "surprisingly cheers up Mao" spoiler I never thought it was an indication of him being back in the race for Mao. Reading about this episode just makes me continue to think that..

Well, the thing is that they most likely used the word "å¿œæ´"=Ouen which is the one for Rooting, encouraging and cheering. Which is different from trying to make some one happy of cheering.

Westlo

02-10-2008, 09:39 AM

That guy just corrected his spoiler, Lego where are you lol

golthin

02-10-2008, 10:58 AM

That guy just corrected his spoiler, Lego where are you lol

Yeah, I saw! It was such a small mistake but changed the meaning SO MUCH! Poor Lego!

Westlo

02-14-2008, 10:23 AM

golthin

02-14-2008, 10:50 AM

The one I like is you, Kouichi!!.........................Get out.

Nice confession scene ^^

Oh yeah check this out for (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJpxL4qGb6Q) the end of the episode with the original ending theme song. Slaughters the second ED in this instance.

It feels so lonely here since Lego left. Now it is only the two of us, westlo!

untoldsorrow

02-14-2008, 08:10 PM

Suwako Moriya

02-14-2008, 08:14 PM

Just finished the episode. Interesting how during some of the conversation between Kazuki and Eriko, we get scenes of a young Eriko. Makes one wonder. Ah Asuka I feel both proud and sorry for her.

In terms of the Mao scenes. Despite the fact I feel sorry for Yuumi, that scene at the end was definitely one of those "finally" moments with Mao directly making it clear to Kouichi. Now things should really get interesting.

Suwako Moriya

02-14-2008, 08:17 PM

So this is a perfect example of taking the opinions of other people too serious. Listen to what ever other had to say, but don't take it as gospel.

Now that's definitely sound advice. Honestly sometimes the best thing to do is in fact to just relax and let the series tell its own story. Although I should say I didn't pay that much attention to the spoilers anyway.

Suwako Moriya

02-14-2008, 08:20 PM

Oh yeah check this out for (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJpxL4qGb6Q) the end of the episode with the original ending theme song. Slaughters the second ED in this instance.

I'm not sure which version I prefer, but it does change the feel a bit I guess.

Suwako Moriya

02-14-2008, 08:21 PM

Westlo

02-14-2008, 09:45 PM

After you guys watch episode 21 I'll post the reason why Lego left, the hilarious thing is that the guy who did the magazine translation which caused Lego to "quit" admitted he stuffed up.

Even with the original word in place cheered instead of encourage I never saw it the same as he did. I pretty much said he overreacted in the old thread and I stand by that comment. Good thing Lego isn't watching True Tears because if he was a Hiromi fan like myself he would've thrown in the towel after episode 6, while I get even more confident.

golthin

02-14-2008, 09:47 PM

It feels so lonely here since Lego left. Now it is only the two of us, westlo!
What Lego left?

I'm not sure what's going on, but it sounds like that for some reason Lego stopped watching the series. Which is too bad given what happens in 18. Also I should note I would have posted earlier, but I only finished 18 recently.

Yeah, he was getting too involved with the show and the angst was affecting his real life. So he decided to take a break from anime. This was mostly due to some spoilers about future episodes from some magazine and about episode 18 and 19.

The funny thing is that a minor mistake in translation was what caused everything. The japanese word for Rooting, or encouraging can also be translated as "cheering up" but that can sound like someone actually making a move to get close to someone.

Westlo

02-14-2008, 09:54 PM

Suwako Moriya

02-14-2008, 09:55 PM

After you guys watch episode 21 I'll post the reason why Lego left, the hilarious thing is that the guy who did the magazine translation which caused Lego to "quit" admitted he stuffed up.

*Reads this and Gothlin's post* Hmm it looks like what you have to say will be interesting. Either way I just hope that eventually Lego will learn to be more relaxed and watch this series more naturally.

Good thing Lego isn't watching True Tears because if he was a Hiromi fan like myself he would've thrown in the towel after episode 6, while I get even more confident.

Heh if anyone should be throwing in the towel it's the ones rooting for Aiko like me. Thankfully my reason for watching these series is deeper than just wanting X to end up with Y.

Suwako Moriya

02-14-2008, 10:02 PM

I read Lego's post on this forum which was all doom and gloom and I'm slightly pissed off. I go to that forum and read the "spoilers" for 20 +21 and I'm thinking.. "what's he on about?"

Now I'm starting to wonder about this even more. The wait for future episodes is going to feel longer. Still I'll be honest, part of me wonders why he's so worried. Let's face it Mao's victory is almost set in stone anyway.

golthin

02-14-2008, 10:23 PM

I still have no idea why he took those two words the wrong way. I read Lego's post on this forum which was all doom and gloom and I'm slightly pissed off. I go to that forum and read the "spoilers" for 20 +21 and I'm thinking.. "what's he on about?"

Well, I can understand why he was like that. The wording made it seem like Kai and Mao were getting close again. The guy that made the translation admited that "cheering up" was not the right word to use. Rooting or encouraging are more like what it should be.

Also the guy said that Mao still was in love with Kai according to episode 18, and as you can see that is not true at all. It was just that guy opinion.

Buster Blader 126

02-15-2008, 04:00 PM

Aww, shit. She did it.

My fears are starting to become realized. Why is it that the guy NEVER picks the girl I like the most?! XD

Now I'm starting to wonder about this even more. The wait for future episodes is going to feel longer. Still I'll be honest, part of me wonders why he's so worried. Let's face it Mao's victory is almost set in stone anyway.

*Enters a state of complete denial* :susel:

Suwako Moriya

02-15-2008, 04:03 PM

My fears are starting to become realized. Why is it that the guy NEVER picks the girl I like the most?! XD

Your chances are usually better when you pick the lead girl.

Buster Blader 126

02-16-2008, 04:46 PM

My fears are starting to become realized. Why is it that the guy NEVER picks the girl I like the most?! XD

Your chances are usually better when you pick the lead girl.

In most cases, yes. Though I've had series where even when I picked the main girl or picked a girl that was likely to win, the other/another girl got picked. Of these examples, Canvas 2 and Ichigo 100%* come into mind. Especially Ichigo 100%. :cry:

*: Well, based off of the manga, because the anime never resolved anything.

golthin

02-16-2008, 07:58 PM

well, this was a wonderful episode. animation was top notch and you can see it on the characters design.

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The first day of school is an add moment for both kouich and Mao. On the way to school, Mao tells Kouichi not to worry about her and to keep going ahead with Yuumi. Still, she reafirms that what she said was true and doesn't deny or try to take her words back or blame it on her cold. Yuumi shows up and goes to greet Kouichi. You can see the pain on Mao's face. Mao can't stand to see them together, so she excuses herself.

Mao meets Kai at the shoe lockers, and she doesn't have words to tell him, he wishes her a "good morning" and leaves.

All during morning practice KAzuki tries to be cheerful and do his best, but Sakino can see that he is putting an act.

During class both KAzuki and Kouichi are in low spirits, and both of them get chosen to do some duties for the class as there weren't not volunteers. yuumi volunteers after Kouichi was chosen which bring some whistles and cheering from the other classmates, when Yuumi look at kouichi, he is not his usual cheerful self.

After the school day is over, Mao meets Sakino at the shoe lockers, and Sakino finds that the final scene, the kiss scene is going to be filmed during their next filming day. Sakino blushes and asked Mao about the kiss, but Mao said it is just acting, Sakino a little disappointed but agrees with mao and tells her that it is true, it is not like is a kiss between lovers. As sakino leaves, Mao tighten her grip around her briefcase handle.

Kasuki meets with Futami again and confessed to her that he loves her, She asked him since when.
He tells since the first time they met her, that he wanted to know more about her, that he couldn't take her out of his head. She tells him that in the sameway, someday he might stop liking her. This time she tells him clearly that the experiments won't produce love.

Like I expected, this episode was VERY centered on Yuumi. She had more screentime in this episode than in the last 5 episodes put together. She reveals to Mitsuki and the frog girls that she is transfering schools and that Kouichi knows about it. The three girls encourage her and promise to write her letters. We get a big monologue from Yuumi as we see all the other characters go about the rest of the day. We also see Kouichi and Mao both agonizing about the kiss scene.

The day arrives for the kiss scene, and Mao can't control her feelings and when she say her lines they are little modified from the original and express her true feelings. Kouich can control himself either and he also changes his lines a little. As Kouichi moves in for the kiss, a big tear runs down Mao's cheek and Hiragii calls cut.
Everyone congratulate the both of them and praise them on how well they acted, that it seemed like they actually were like lovers.

Mao keepts crying and she tells them that she is having problems with her contacts. Mao can't take it anymore and she leaves, Kouichi calls to her and yuumi drops her scripts as she finally realized what is happening.

Mao goes to the park and starts crying over a bench. Someone calls to her and when she turns around, there he is, Kai.

Episode 20 is the episode that made many people quit the show, it is an episode where Kai is supposed to give encouragement to Mao about her feelings. due to a mistranslation of a magazine spoiler, it seemed like they actually got back together.
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this time the ending fits very well here!

Westlo

02-17-2008, 06:28 AM

well, this was a wonderful episode. animation was top notch and you can see it on the characters design.

[hide]The day arrives for the kiss scene, and Mao can't control her feelings and when she say her lines they are little modified from the original and express her true feelings. Kouich can control himself either and he also changes his lines a little. As Kouichi moves in for the kiss, a big tear runs down Mao's cheek and Hiragii calls cut.
Everyone congratulate the both of them and praise them on how well they acted, that it seemed like they actually were like lovers. [hide]
this time the ending fits very well here!

If the scene is not to long can you type up the lines there or give a general overview of what they say? If you have the time of course....

golthin

02-17-2008, 08:06 AM

[hide]

If the scene is not to long can you type up the lines there or give a general overview of what they say? If you have the time of course....

[hide]

Mao: From the beginning we were wrong...
I was afraid of falling in love with you...I should have kept these unfair feelings to myself.

kouichi:I was also afraid...but I don't want to be afraid anymore. I don't want to be afraid of hurting you and not be able to do anything.

[Mao changes her lines]Mao:Why did...Why did we have to be childhoodfriends?...IF we had not been childhoodfriends...I might have been able to tell you that I love you.

[Kouichi changes his lines]Kouichi: Because we were childhoodfriends, we were always together...That is why I fell in love with you... "When it started doesn't matter." I love you.
Mao:I love you too.

I am not very sure about "When it started doesn't matter." though. It is a very important line because that is what Kazuki uses in the preview for episode 20 to give him courage to go and talk to futomi again.
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Westlo

02-18-2008, 02:29 AM

Thanks for that

If Kouichi was a tennis match between Mao and Hoshino than I say this conversation is Mao winning set 3 of a best of 5 match.

Set 1 = Mao for being childhood friend
Set 2 = Hoshino for the kiss
Set 3 = Mao for Kouichi changing his lines to say what he really feels

Mao to win it in 5 sets!

golthin

02-18-2008, 05:31 AM

Suwako Moriya

02-19-2008, 11:03 PM

The movie scene near the end was rather nice with the double meaning and such. Still poor Yuumi, her world is starting to shatter now. Remember Mao fans as you desire what is clearly set in stone never forget that Yuumi is a sacrifice.

In any case I'm going to be waiting to see what words Kazuki will be able to use to convince Eriko to move forward. Also his sister and her friend have had enough "practice" with the frogs so they need to move forward.

20+ is going to be interesting and it will be interesting to see the real final results of those episodes. Still I suspect there to be an angst aura from Yuumi very soon.

untoldsorrow

02-20-2008, 05:29 PM

Wow,episode 19 was great. Perhaps one of the best episode of any anime I've seen in a while. It had it all, good animation, music, comedy and drama. The last scene in the movie was great. Its nice of Yuumi to be able to pick it up by dropping her script book. I almost shed a tear during that emotional scene kiss scene. I can't wait for next episode, not because of the main love triangle but more for Kazuki. For some reason I still like his side more, lol.

Suwako Moriya

02-20-2008, 06:05 PM

For some reason I still like his side more, lol.

Well Kazuki does have the Eriko and Asuka factors.

untoldsorrow

02-20-2008, 06:18 PM

For some reason I still like his side more, lol.

Well Kazuki does have the Eriko and Asuka factors.

I think you're right. I like those 2 better than Mao and Yuumi.

Suwako Moriya

02-20-2008, 06:27 PM

I think you're right. I like those 2 better than Mao and Yuumi.

Yeah I'm definitely right ( ;) )and truth be told I actually do prefer both Asuka and Eriko right now. Also while Asuka's chances are low unlike Yuumi she doesn't feel like a sacrifice for the other girl.

Buster Blader 126

02-20-2008, 07:21 PM

Inertic

02-20-2008, 09:39 PM

Hmm.. cool discussion going down :). I know the points I'm about to make isn't related to episode 19 only, but to the whole anime. Sorry!~

In my opinion (Discussing KaixMaoxKoichixYuumi), Mao and Yuumi both seem to have equal reasons for winning Koichi.

For Yuumi,
- She is one fragile little girl and the anime doesn't hesitate to show it. Big part is Mao and Koichi both know how fragile she is. Remember the scene when Yuumi is recommending the romance books to Koichi? Well, all of them end in a lovers suicide. Foreshadowing? Probably Not :P. Again, the heart warming scene near the fountain where Koichi makes his promise to visit Yuumi every week (As a friend, or a boyfriend? Hmmm >_>). Also, Yuumi credits every thing good thats happening for her to Koichi (i.e. her courage).
With only 5 episodes left, I really wonder if the anime can somehow get Koichi and Mao together without drastically ruining it for Yuumi.

-Kai, Kai, Kai. Purple haired jazz boy, haha. His role is so essential for YuumixKoichi fans. He is not the average harem romcom adversary that comes in, puts up a show and just never comes back. With him coming in to comfort Mao at the end of episode 19 probably means, "Watch out! if Koichi doesn't get his facts straight, something might happen!"

For MaoxKoichi the biggest factor is that they both share the biggest character background.( Well, after like episode 17 Yuumi is getting lots of attention also). There is just so much more of a romantic reason to put Mao and Koichi together. They are the typical, grow up together, get through troubles together, and not realize true feelings till long later. Then make huge romantic drama and end in a bang (And theres only 5 episodes left >:U). I mean, if you look at KaixMao the couple doesn't seem to have as much of a romantic history. Besides staring silently and few catchy lines. The only good point I see is that Kai is patient and caring, nothing else.

My opinion of Kaz and his problems is more fun. I'm rooting for Eriko!~ haha. I really care though xDD.

Anyways, thats my opinion, heh heh sorry about any grammer and spelling mistakes >_>.

golthin

02-21-2008, 02:58 AM

untoldsorrow

02-21-2008, 10:19 AM

IT'S OK, YUMI! :cry:

As a Yumi fan, this episode, as good as it was, made me go "Oh, shit!" even more than before.

As likely as the Mao/Koichi pairing is right now, I'm still going to hold out. I won't admit defeat when I see it with my own eyes! :susel:

& this might be a really stupid question, but did they kiss? I ask, because to me, it really didn't seem like it. :confused:

I think they did, but they didn't show it to us. I think they are keeping it for when they show the movie during the school fastival.

Did they? I think the way ep 19 went was perfect. It didn't need the kissing scene to make the ending of the movie great because of the line changes.

golthin

02-21-2008, 02:03 PM

Horny_Otaku

02-21-2008, 08:33 PM

Did Lego run off to True Tears land? Its a lot better than this kimikiss land right now...

Suwako Moriya

02-21-2008, 08:42 PM

Did Lego run off to True Tears land? Its a lot better than this kimikiss land right now...

Lego has given no indication that he's watching True Tears. Also the issue would not be how he feels about other series compared to Kimikiss, but how he feels in regards to Kimikiss. I mean there are multiple series running I like better than Kimikiss, but that doesn't stop me from watching it.

Westlo

02-21-2008, 09:03 PM

Lego started posting in the Kimikiss thread on the other forum, he said that he was going to wait for it to finish but he was keeping up with spoilers. As for True Tears he said he will wait until it's finished which with episode 8 airing tomorrow it's probably the better action. Seriously if he wants Hiromi to win he would be a train wreck right now lol...

Horny_Otaku

02-21-2008, 09:12 PM

I have a feeling Lego needs to seriously get laid...

Lego

02-21-2008, 11:38 PM

golthin

02-22-2008, 03:46 AM

I have a feeling Lego needs to seriously get laid...

Hands across the nation I tell you! While I'm fair game to poke fun at for this, I'll just hint that theres tons more going on real life wise that has led to the last line in my sig, so don't worry :P

You as a Emma fan got lucky that they didn't decide to go with an original ending and went with the same as the manga.

Offtopic, the traffic in here seems to have decreased a lot and I noticed the site lost another sponsor. Now from the three that were still sponsoring the site with links, only 2 remain. I wonder what is in the future for AOD.

Lego

02-22-2008, 06:15 AM

Well they kind of did that with the second season since a big character and a lot of the events aren't included in the manga and the manga didn't end with them having kids. Of course it should of but the manga ending was in its own way and is one of those great things where the manga and full anime compliment each other. Right now my main manga passion is Historie and Vinland Saga.

I really haven't noticed a big traffic drop since we usually get the same old fogies posting heh. I don't mind it really over some of the bigger forums like AN, that evil site, or a couple others that seem to be more teenage hangouts first then anime second. Still I have noticed some new guys coming in that are knowledgeable. Add to the fact that we're in between seasons with the Spring starting in April and theres not much going on right now. I'm actually comtemplating on taking a season off to recollect my thoughts and just stave off "burn out" in general but there are so many appetizing Spring shows that I don't know yet.

Suwako Moriya

02-25-2008, 09:48 AM

A pretty nice episode over all with Kazuki showing his dedication to Futami and making some progress too. It also shows the real advantage to multiple male protagonists assuming you're going for guy x girl couples of course. The scenes with Kazuki and Futami wouldn't have happened if there was only one guy in the series.

As that said guy is already tied up by Mao and Yuumi. In any case let's see if Mao's dramatic move has a positive or negative effect. Could be argued both ways and probably will be both positive and negative.

Westlo

02-25-2008, 10:33 AM

I think it will end up being a positive in a "you don't know what your got till it's gone" kinda way.

masterpez

02-25-2008, 10:01 PM

...I now declare Eriko the winner of Kimi Kiss (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/marsh-/Random%20Pics/snapshot20080.jpg). :beat: :beat: :beat: That expression on her face is priceless and shot her out about 10 laps ahead of all the other girls to take the spot as my favorite. To think that she make that kind of face. Then how she ran into her house and looked around, not knowing what to do was adorable.

Horny_Otaku

02-25-2008, 10:08 PM

untoldsorrow

02-26-2008, 07:51 PM

Draneor

02-26-2008, 09:04 PM

Eriko is why tsundere girls are the best. It may only be for a split second, but that moment of dere dere makes every thing else worth it. I found that scene teramoe.

untoldsorrow

02-27-2008, 08:20 AM

Episode 20 was another great one. Love Eriko's face and reaction when she saw Kazuki coming. The only thing I didn't like that bothered me while watching the episode was how bad the characters were so off. I don't know who did this episode but almost all the character designs and art wee different in a bad way, especially Kazuki, he looked so different.

Westlo

02-27-2008, 08:27 AM

I liked Eriko's hair in episode 20 but it was a massive contrast from the rest of the series.

Lego

03-07-2008, 09:08 AM

Well thank god this series is ending since it has pretty much turned me upside down mentally. It's the first series to really grab me since Hime, so here are the usual spoilers for 23 and 24, you know all the warnings..

23. miss you
Spoiler for 23.:

They completed their movie, and the day in the school fastival finally came when Yumi has to leave her school.
Kouichi is going to walk around the school fastival with Yumi, but he thinks about Mao who told me her feelings, and went out from his house.
At the same time, a football match was held on the ground. Asuka achieved a satisfactory level of result with Kazuki. After the game, a coach of the opposition invites her to attend a residential training of women's football. For Kazuki who is gratified as if he were invited, Asuka...

24. ãƒ»ãƒ»ãƒ»and meet again(the final episode)
Spoiler for 24.:

Kouichi comes across Kai and they come to talk about Mao. At the time, Yuumi does Mao and they are talking about how much they love him.
Eriko is acting alone like she avoids Kazuki since she knows the love as she is spending time with him. She was not able to meet him because she cannot stop thinking that the day when she breaks up with him will come even if she got honest to her own feeling.
The school fastival come to an end. It starts to display fireworks at a night sky. They should decide at last to give their own answer to their own heart...

I'm still holding out hope for Kouichi x Mao like I've been doing all series.

Suwako Moriya

03-15-2008, 08:55 PM

Sometimes it seems like the more happens in this series the less progress is made. That's the best way I can describe things. Especially when it comes to Mao and Kouiichi. I feel rather sorry for poor Yuumi. I mean this must be like slow torture for her. She really needs to get together with Kai. Not in a romance sense, but more to form the "Let's force them to get it over with" duo.

Seems like the Kazuki story isn't completely over with yet since there's still the problem with Asuka. However then again she probably has less of a chance than Yuumi does in her situation. Plus for Kazuki to end up Asuka would make some of the earlier events pointless. Even so it was nice to see Futami giving off a more happy aura.

something

03-15-2008, 09:01 PM

I'm not sure why I'm finally catching up now when I could just wait for two more episodes and marathon the rest, but whatever. Kimikiss time! I got hideously behind here, but I'm in the mood to catch up.

Episode 17:

- Had to skim 16 first since it's been at least a month. So Kouichi ditches Yuumi because he's worried about Mao. Mao runs to Kai to cry. Eriko calls off the experiments with Kazuki. Everything sucks for everyone.
- ...Figures, in the first few minutes they flash back to just about all of that.
- So at the moment Kouichi is wishywashy but at the very least knows he has to do something about it. Kazuki is busy building a wall around his emotions for Eriko. Kai comes out best right now for me, because he's able to answer Mao seriously when she asks him if he likes her. Without stammering, looking away, changing the subject or anything like that.
- On the girls' side, Yuumi comes out best of those in the main couples/triangles. But she's running out of time, unfortunately. Eriko and Asuka are a mess. Mao might be bugging me the most, because she keeps telling Kai nothing is wrong and then continues staring into space depressed all fucking day. I give her credit for not getting all weepy though. We really need Mitsuki right now.

And Mao does it, breaking up with Kai... I never ever thought I'd be saying this about Mao of all characters, but Kai is too good for her anyway. Or at least, too good for her as she is now. On the other hand, it's about time she said something, so that's getting her a step closer to being someone who IS good enough. He was bending over backwards for her but she just wouldn't open up to him. It's merely unfortunate for him that this was the end result anyway.

But just breaking up isn't enough, she needs to actually tell him why.

Episode 18:

- And she does. I'm glad she's being honest, finally. But now this just opens the floodgates and tempts Kouichi...
- Upside down Nana is so cute XD
- Asuka is insane, trying to get Kazuki and Eriko back together. Though, in this case, I can't decide who I like more. It used to be the same for the Kouichi love triangle, but I've since come to prefer Yuumi far and away beyond Mao. With Eriko and Asuka however, I'm not so sure. At the moment I do think it's Asuka, merely because Eriko spent the past few episodes doing absolutely nothing, but I still do remember how much I liked her before when she was opening up.
- So Eriko ends it for good... Or, "for now", though this is Asuka's chance. I don't think she'll take it, however. Of all the relationships, I feel the most confident in Eriko and Kazuki ending up together, merely because theirs is the most fucked up.

But the real development is of course Mao's confession. It was pretty well done, actually. It's just like a truck hitting Kouichi. :sd:

something

03-15-2008, 09:02 PM

Episode 19:

- Bit of a slightly servicey shot of Nana. She's definitely cute, and definitely, uh, imouto. And thankfully there havent been any frogs in the past few eps.
- This interaction between Mao and Yuumi is something they'll have to handle delicately. I really don't forsee this show going all yandere on us at all, but at what point will Mao snap and do something dumb? Or will Kouichi corner the market on dumb all by himself? Hell, might Yuumi succumb instead?
- Dead eyes. Dead eyes are never a good sign. But on the other hand we have Narumi and Nana growing their empire, Akira getting busy for the culture fest, Mitsuki being happy to make friends... everyone else might be emo (except Yuumi who will no doubt be there soon), but at least they're there to balance it out.
- Balance very well indeed. When we get the scene with Nana, Narumi, Mitsuki and Yuumi, it works incredibly well as an illustration of how much she's changed.

But alas, it's not meant to last, not when the kissing scene still remains to be shot, and turns into a complete disaster.

Oh and I guess there's also Eriko shooting down Kazuki's confession, but like I said, I think those two actually have the most straightforward relationship going, albiet the most bizarre on the surface.

God what I wouldn't give for Yuumi to just forget all this and marry Mitsuki and hire the udon club on as their chefs. But even then, I'm quite liking how the show is depicting everything, even if some of those things are a bit frustrating.

something

03-15-2008, 09:03 PM

Episode 20:

- Why is Kai so awesome? My respect for him jumped even higher with how he handled Mao in the park, and I think this lays some nice groundwork for any potential reconciliation between the two, should things go that way.
- It even better, I do think it worked. Sure, Mao has spent literally half the series saying she's okay when she's clearly not, but this time I actually believe her. But in Kimikiss depression flows like a wave, and once it rolls off one person it continues onto another. Mao had it, and it pulled Kouichi into the undertow. As she comes back up for air, he's drowning and pulling Yuumi in. Even if Kouichi bounces back now, Yuumi will still be underwater.
- Kazuki and Eriko, on the other hand, continue to amuse me. 90% of the laughs I get from this show anymore are in reaction to her stern responses and his reactions. And in the middle of the school cafeteria no less. And she's not used to being defied :sd:

!!! Holy fuck, I have not laughed this hard since Lucky Star. The entire Eriko/Kazuki scene from the moment she sees him was perfect! Fucking perfect! I'm still laughing, that was the best fucking scene of the entire show. From her flustered reaction at seeing him coming, to the unholy cuteness that was her sitting on her couch, staring at the intercom, the way she totally destroys Kazuki's calm and ruins his plans, the abrupt laugh ("I'm I didn't laugh! ::cough:: It was a cough!") and everything else. Kazuki and Eriko are officially my favorite couple XD!

Oh and Mao is moving out but whatever, Kazuki and Eriko win this episode.

something

03-15-2008, 09:04 PM

Aya, that is WEIRD timing. Not much progress in this thread lately, then I marathon 17-22 and you post on 21 minutes before I finish o_O

Episode 21:

- Maybe Kai's pep talk worked too well. I do think Mao has the right idea - things are too intense at the Sanada house for her to stick around. But the speed and severity with which she's making the move makes it obvious she isn't sure exactly what the best way is to "stand on her own two feet" yet.
- Deredere Eriko is fucking epic. I hate to seem as if I'm tossing Asuka aside like a used condom, but Eriko just leapfrogged right over her. Through absolutely, positively no fault of Asuka's own, mind you. I've maintained a good deal of respect for her throughout the series, but if you ask me she's toast as far as love goes now. The Kazuki/Eriko make-up scene was too awesome for the writers to go screwing with it now. I will be completely happy if they consider this case closed for that love triangle and focus on everyone else.
- Well, I should amend that. Case closed once Asuka finds out and gets her last hurrah. This is going to be a bit of a shock for her.
- Oh god. Oooooh god. Just shove a railroad spike into her chest and wiggle it around why don't you? I'm sure she's ecstatic to hear that you got together with Eriko thanks to her.
- Random stuff: Eriko finally likes their udon! Mao's class is selling "Crapes"! Yuumi and Kazuki find out Mao is moving.
- Yuumi is doing the "No, it's nothing..." thing now. What did I say about waves? Here it is. I thought something big might go down when she ran into Mao, but it's too early. And this should really be Asuka's episode anyway.

So there's a bit of tension as Kouichi is torn between helping two different girls pack, but it was played pretty well. Why this episode would anger anyone so, I really can't fathom but ah well.

I am wondering how much they plan on splitting the focus between Mao and Asuka, and the fact that Asuka isn't at all wrapped up yet makes me think it won't be in 22 either.

something

03-15-2008, 09:05 PM

Episode 22:

- So Mao moves out between episodes, I was wondering what was going on when it was suddenly Monday.
- Lots of bits and pieces in the first third or so of the episode. Mitsuki has an idea to cheer Yuumi up, Kouichi is being a bit frustrating, Kazuki is once again obliviously destroying Asuka's feelings, Eriko overhears and starts to feel bad, etc.
- Maid Mao! Also stumbling Mao, which results in another Mao/Eriko scene. It's a bit weird, because there might not be two other characters in the cast less directly connected in terms of storylines and situations right now, beyond the superficial. But they are infirmary buddies, so it's fitting to revisit that I guess =P
- Farewell/Thank You party for Yuumi! That was sweet. Even Mao is there, without incident.
- But Eriko, she's totally got a look on her face that says "second thoughts!" and I don't know if I like that. I understand she feels bad for Asuka but...
- GAH FROGS NO! ...well it's short. I really hope Eriko doesn't do anything dumb, I thought they really had it made >_<
- The show just dodged a bullet. When Yuumi and Kouichi are walking back from her party at night, he stops her and says "Yoshino-san!" and oh god I expected something horrible. Like breaking up or at least "taking a break", but instead he says they should walk around the festival together. So close to disaster, but nicely avoided.

But, he does get home and look at the Dog of Flanders book and cry. Danger! Danger! I'll just hope this was the emotional release he needed. After this, he'll be okay... it'll all be okay... right? Right?

Now I'm really, really kicking myself for not waiting until I had the last two episodes. Damnit!

Suwako Moriya

03-15-2008, 09:12 PM

Aya, that is WEIRD timing. Not much progress in this thread lately, then I marathon 17-22 and you post on 21 minutes before I finish o_O

I prefer to call it epic timing. Well let's just say I've been having a lot of trouble deciding what to catch up with and it just lucked out that I ended up deciding to watch episode 21.

Suwako Moriya

03-15-2008, 10:49 PM

Now I'm really, really kicking myself for not waiting until I had the last two episodes. Damnit!

Yeah maybe, I should have waited and watched 21-24 in a row. It would have been like watching volume 6 of a "normal" R1 DVD. Still it's going to be curious what they do with the last two episodes.

Buster Blader 126

03-16-2008, 09:18 PM

Finished up 21-22 a while ago.

I'm really liking how pleasant Eriko is now. For some odd reason, even though her appearance hasn't changed, she physically looks much prettier to me now that she doesn't act like a cold, heartless bitch. :crazy:

Which leads me to Asuka.

IT'S OK, ASUKA!! :cry:

When it comes down to who I generally support, I will at least narrow it down to the girls who are "set-up" to win. Or in the case of there being only two girls in a triangle, I'll often pick the one who seems more likely to be picked. Despite not being the girl set up to win Kazuki, Asuka really grew on me. She trumps Eriko in terms of personality for pretty much the entire series, and she's really pretty to boot. This is one of the very few set-ups that if she was the one chosen over Eriko, I wouldn't mind it one bit.

Meanwhile in the other triangle, it seems like Mao and Koichi have switched places, with Mao generally feeling better now, while Koichi is in some sort of depression. It really breaks my heart to see Yumi looking very concerned for him, as it brings the (seemingly) imminent breakup of Yumi and Koichi even closer.

Despite the sadness of the last scene in Episode 22, I thought it was a really good scene. The flashback of Mao taking The Dog of Flanders from Koichi during their younger days reminded us again that if she had the book, then Koichi would stop crying (about it). But now, he has that exact same book in his hands after all this time, and what does he do? He starts to cry, but not because of the book's contents. I don't know if it would be considered irony or not, but that's the only word I can think of that would describe it. =\

Perhaps I'm looking too far into it? Regardless, if that was the director's intention, then my respect for the man has gone up a notch.

Lego

03-16-2008, 10:14 PM

Give me Kouichi x Mao or give me death!

You know, sometimes I wish I was an ostrich for a week, I could stick my head in the sand and bring it back up Saturday afternoon.

golthin

03-18-2008, 02:36 PM

Give me Kouichi x Mao or give me death!

You know, sometimes I wish I was an ostrich for a week, I could stick my head in the sand and bring it back up Saturday afternoon.

Be at ease my good man! what ever happen it is just anime! You should do like Somthing, he is pretty good at avoiding the truth, but you are worried because yoiu expect J.C. Staff to pull a canvas2/shuffle on us!

Lego

03-18-2008, 03:30 PM

Well if it was a Shuffle we would of saw that coming a little while back since they wouldn't just spring it on us. If I remember right Shuffle had something in the mid range of episodes. Canvas 2 would worry me if it was some sort of "Ok we kissed, now I have go to college, France, or the moon" heh.

So I'm remaining apprehensive until I hopefully see what I've been wanting all series, a Kouichi x Mao kiss and relationship. Hopefully they don't try and pull a kiss then a "I'm sorry" or a mutual "just friends" look on us :shifty:. Still it we get the kiss or an accepted mutual confession then I don't really see how they can go back to the "just friends" point I made.

Maybe the ... and meet again episode title is a way of saying that now they're free of anything from the past, no obligations, and they can now literally "meet again" and go on as a new couple.

Lego

03-22-2008, 11:45 AM

Well it has finally come, today is D-Day and a little later on we'll have an ending to something that has grabbed me for six months and has got to me mentally like no show before it. I'll update this post or post a new one depending on the circumstances once it airs.

Westlo

03-22-2008, 11:54 AM

Since I'm pretty sure the end result is assured I'll spoil myself, True Tears ep 12 otoh... must resist clicking thread....

Lego

03-22-2008, 11:55 AM

Since I'm pretty sure the end result is assured I'll spoil myself, True Tears ep 12 otoh... must resist clicking thread....

I'll just say one thing in that if it does end how everyone is predicting, Kimikiss that is, then I'll be the happiest guy in the world before something else comes along to make me get into a crappy mood :grin:

Suwako Moriya

03-22-2008, 12:39 PM

Westlo

03-22-2008, 12:43 PM

More or less things seem to be going the way one would suspect. The main things of interest are the idea that Kuryuu seems to like Akira. And of course Mitsuki talking about being Dracula who's become a zombie? Okay then and we're almost done with the series.

It's a pity they couldn't take ten minutes out of the Mao/Kouichi square and give it to Kuryuu/Hiiragi/Mitsuki. I just found out the other day that Kuryuu was a secret character in the game but that's no fucking excuse for why she had less screen time than the frogs ffs...

My attempt to stay out of the True Tears thread failed spectacularly, when I saw what one person rated the show I had to see wtf happened. I forgot you were on that site too Aya/Tatiana.

Lego

03-22-2008, 12:49 PM

This is why I'm hoping that the "mysterious 25th" episode will be about Akira, Mitsuki, Udon girls, and of course her. They've been kind of pushed to side character status and I'm sure we'll see them during the credits if they decide to do the usual "text while we show what everyones doing" ending.

Westlo

03-22-2008, 12:52 PM

The Udon girls can DIAF along with their frogs.

Suwako Moriya

03-22-2008, 01:36 PM

It's a pity they couldn't take ten minutes out of the Mao/Kouichi square and give it to Kuryuu/Hiiragi/Mitsuki/

Honestly they spent way too much time on Mao/Kouichi if you ask me.

My attempt to stay out of the True Tears thread failed spectacularly, when I saw what one person rated the show I had to see wtf happened. I forgot you were on that site too Aya/Tatiana.

And here I thought the fact I was Tatiana was some massive secret. Still yeah the True Tears thread was kind of fun in certain ways. Either way I still need to watch and possibly re-watch 12. Come on Noe, please get a decent conclusion to your story. Note I said conclusion, I didn't say she had to end up with anyone.

Lego

03-22-2008, 01:54 PM

Here is a copy of me watching the episode from that evil evil site(well I posted their while watching it) so these are my initial reactions

Commercial using new footage, would be funny if JC Staff gave us a new opening..

Episode has started, udon girls again..

No one is visiting their booth..

Eriko is sad watching the game last episode, Kaz goes in to meet her, no one there

Kouichi and Yuumi are staring at each other with weird eyes, her hands are behind her back

They stop in on Mao's class

Smiling Mao in her maid costume is advertising their class

Kaz runs up to Mao presumably looking for Eriko

Yuumi glancing around, that look on her face again

Mao is outside smiling, talking to someone..

Mao runs into Yuumi, Mao HUGS Yuumi much to her surprise

Kouichi comes across Kai, they talk but Kai acts extremely cold towards him

NO NO NO, 2chan is talking about Mao "passing the baton"

Mitsuki has cat ears on..

A dressed out Asuka is talking to Eriko sitting on a swing

Eriko is still in a crappy mood, Asuka most likely told her to take care of Kaz

Eye catch

and we're back more udon and class rep girl

class rep girl gets her own moment, they really shouldn't be wasting time

ah damnit.. Kai is standing next to Mao taking things down in the room talking to her

Fireworks time already?

Mao is standing by herself looking at some sort of fire

Kouichi and Yuumi are talking, boom surprised face

it's at night, smiling Yuumi..

YUUMI DID IT, SHE DID IT!

Eriko cries meeting Kaz

And we get a nice kiss between Kaz and Eriko

Kouichi is left alone like in the preview, Yuumi left him

Here we go, Mao flashback time for Kouichi

Mao shot from the preview, Mao blushing and crying..

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Yuumi and Kai are shown on their own

Ah Sax you magnificent bastard you!

Mao blushing and smiling at Kouichi as they watch the fireworks

The end.

Just a side note in that it looks like Akira ended up with everyones favorite class rep as Mitsuki is alone at the end watching fireworks

So with the series now over barring any sort of "extra episode" they want to throw in I'm pleased. Kouichi and Mao are together and it looks like they had a nice moment complete with kiss(es?) and smiling all abound. It was a wild ride from start to finish and I'm glad that Kouichi and Mao finally ended up together, they're meant for each other and I can't wait to see that scene subbed

Westlo

03-22-2008, 04:12 PM

Honestly they spent way too much time on Mao/Kouichi if you ask me.

I'm just making a rough guess but the Kouichi/Mao/Yuumi/Kai thing probably took up 60% of the show, Kazuki/Eriko/Sakino 30% and the rest 10%. This show is hovering around an 7-8 for me atm, now if they had subtracted 10% of the time spent on the love square and injected 5% into the triangle and the other 5% into Hiiragi the show would've been better balanced and the main story would not have dragged on for too long.

And here I thought the fact I was Tatiana was some massive secret. Still yeah the True Tears thread was kind of fun in certain ways. Either way I still need to watch and possibly re-watch 12. Come on Noe, please get a decent conclusion to your story. Note I said conclusion, I didn't say she had to end up with anyone.

I was reading the Night Wizard thread back when that was airing and it was obvious it was you. Completely forgot about it but I've read enough of your posts on this forum to recognize your writing style. Also you were repeating some of the stuff you said in the True Tears thread here in that episode thread.

That spoiler post by Tun that was fucking bullshit was a fucking punch in the gut when I read it. I'm still very confident in my preference winning and I'll address why in the True Tears thread once 12 is subbed and I've seen it. I need to confirm that the second half of track 30 wasn't used in that episode.. hopefully in about 12 hours time!

Westlo

03-22-2008, 04:31 PM

24 Spoilers

I thought it was (even more) obvious after Mao broke up with Kouichi, you might have noticed that I stopped posting as much and didn't care as much about the Mao X Kouichi pairing since that episode aired. It was because I was extremely confident in the final pairing after that episode... in addition to True Tears hitting me in the face and going "Hey I'm way better".

Anyway I'll be disappointed if the dvd episode is an 7.5 or a 15.5 type episode full of fanservice. I don't care if it's full of fanservice but make it happen after the series so we can see Mao X Kouichi, Eriko and Kazuki and Hiiragi and Kuuryu. Heck even Suzaku and Kallen is fine..

Suwako Moriya

03-22-2008, 04:48 PM

I'm still very confident in my preference winning and I'll address why in the True Tears thread once 12 is subbed and I've seen it.

To be honest I hope your right because a certain character deserves better if you ask me. Probably better to explain in the True Tears thread, but let's just say I'm angry at at X for toying with Y. An apology is needed

untoldsorrow

03-22-2008, 09:03 PM

Episode 23 was another great one. Great to see the teacher stealing the class in her maid cosplay, lol.

I hope to god that Eriko doesn't do anything stupid!!! I dont like the next episode previews AT ALL!! Kazuki deserves both girls but he tried so hard to win over Eriko and for her to mess it up because she feels "guilty" is BS.

Its also good to see that Hiragi might have someone after him too, lol.

something

03-24-2008, 02:54 AM

Episode 23:

- Yuumi's last day =( If Kouichi does something stupid (perhaps while/after watching the movie) and hurts Yuumi on her last day before moving, I will neuter him with a rake.
- Eriko watches Asuka... don't you do anything stupid either, Eriko. You've already won. Unless you plan on asking Asuka out instead, in which case I wholeheartedly approve.
- Zombie Dracula Mitsuki...
- Udon drama! Nana and Narumi finally reach their goal. Shouldn't they be making out in celebration or something?
- Mao in a maid outfit. And Kai in a frilly apron. Err... Tomoko makes it all better though.
- Seems inevitable that Asuka is going to get a goal and thus confess. Can't end the show without it being made clear to her. She deserves that much, I suppose.
- Even Megumi gets her bit. I'd have preferred Mitsuki and Akira, but that would require an involved storyline with Mitsuki ditching her fiance and all that. Not that I'm against a Mitsuki storyline, but it's way too late for that. So a Megumi is fine too.
- They're pretty happy for a team that just got their asses kicked. Yay for Asuka getting picked to try out for a regional team.
- Blah blah Kouichi and Mao staring at each other, blah blah.
- Annnnnnd Asuka gets shot down. But steals a kiss anyway :sd:

And I want to smack Eriko and Kouichi right now. But hey, things can't be perfect with an ep to go, else what would we do in 24? =P

Lego

03-24-2008, 03:10 AM

Just a spoilerly note. I'm the happiest anime fan on the planet right now after seeing the ending for the 20th time subbed. Even after spoiling myself by checking the 2chan thread, watching the raw, I can't get enough of it. Kouichi and Mao make an amazing couple, that look on Mao's face right before she goes in for the second kiss on her tipey toes is amazing. You can really see how much they love each other, they're both truly happy.

something

03-24-2008, 03:26 AM

Episode 24:

- Want to smack Eriko and Kouichi even harder. You have about 19 minutes to get your shit together, you two!
- And Kazuki runs around like a headless chicken. If Eriko is going to keep her woe-is-me act up, maybe he should switch to Asuka after all. When Eriko is good, she's really good, but when she gets like this and withdrawls without any effort, she bugs me.
- Mao does something good! That's the best thing she's done in awhile, that little bit with Yuumi. Now to hope Kouichi can stand up and take responsibility as well.
- WARNING, WARNING, WARNING! BAD CONVERSATION, BAD CONVERSATION! ABORT / RETRY / FAIL. Emphasis on the fail. Kai you son of a bitch, what are you saying? Are you singlehandedly trying to destroy the ending?
- Kitsune Mitsuki!
- Points to Asuka too. Alright, Asuka and Mao have done their part, have done the right thing. I really hope their counterparts can say the same. Eriko I don't worry about nearly as much as Kouichi.
- Second part. 12 more minutes to move this back on track.
- Heh! For a relationship with just about zero development, Akira x Megumi makes me pretty happy. So does the Udon club.
- Narumi and Nana dancing together, and no frogs anywhere to be seen lately. Yay!
- ARRRRRRRGH STOP IT. This endless wide-eyed staring at each other is driving me insane. They're really going to do it... they're going to fuck Yuumi right up the ass.
- Sit the fuck down, Kouichi, before I break your legs and leave you no option.
- "We need to talk." and with that, I see the ending going right out the window.

What a piece of shit. Whaaaaat a piece of SHIT. Kouichi is officially one of my most hated anime characters of the past few years. And fuck Yuumi for taking it like the punching bag the writers want her to be. I'm absolutely disgusted.

I would normally really like the Kazuki-Eriko scene but fuck, what do I care now? I hope Kouichi dies cold and alone in a gutter somewhere after contracting some horrible STD.

Fuck it, I didn't even watch the last bit. Soon as he found Mao, I just skipped around a bit and then closed the episode before the ED was over.

Absolute bullshit. Hands down the worst end to a romance/bishoujo anime I have ever seen. Unimaginably pathetic. This may in fact be the worst ending to a show I've ever seen. I think My~HiME and Blue Drop have been trumped. God I will never ever watch this show again.

This may be the first time an ending has rendered an entire show completely worthless.

Lego

03-24-2008, 03:28 AM

Wow, and here I'm the happiest anime fan alive and my good friend something is in despair...

I was a Kouichi and Mao fan from the beginning, but never really pegged your allegiance something, so the ending was great for me(not to rub it in, just stating fact). After six months of driving myself insane it was an amazing payoff.

I personally give more credit to Yuumi then you, the key line is "I was always watching you, I knew your feelings". Since we're stealth editing, I felt the same way you do now when I watched the end of Hime, if it's any consolation.

something

03-24-2008, 03:40 AM

I was a Kouichi and Mao fan from the beginning, but never really pegged your allegiance something, so the ending was great for me(not to rub it in, just stating fact). After six months of driving myself insane it was an amazing payoff.
I'm just disgusted with how terribly the switch was handled. Kouichi would go from genuinely happy and loving towards Yuumi to suddenly staring into space like a douche for 30 seconds, then loving again. Then we get that really nice scene between Yuumi and Mao where Mao "passes the baton" and everything is set up for a nice ending. Then they completely throw it all in the garbage.

And man, fuck that Dog of Flanders. I'm glad it died. Too bad Kouichi didn't follow suit.

I personally give more credit to Yuumi then you, the key line is "I was always watching you, I knew your feelings".
That's all rubbish though. The show set her up as an emotional punching bag, then seemed to switch gears, Kouichi and Yuumi got along wonderfully for a long, long time, and then they threw Yuumi under a train at the end anyway. And she took it all with a smile. What despicable treatment of such a great character. I HATE when characters are treated like that.

Since we're stealth editing, I felt the same way you do now when I watched the end of Hime, if it's any consolation.
Each time I edited the post I felt the HATRED wasn't enough and had to add more. I'm still not satisfied that I expressed enough just how completely and utterly this show failed.

I knew I shouldn't have watched this before work. When I saw you coming back in the thread excitedly I figured this was the only way it could end. And it really did fuck everything up epically. I'm going to delete my entire Kimikiss folder right now. I almost hope it doesn't get licensed, because then I'll feel forced to spend money on this garbage.

cjed

03-24-2008, 03:48 AM

I'm not quite understanding the extreme reactions to this series. I'm another who didn't like the way koichi handled things - his character was pretty lame throughout the show, and I'm pretty sure that mao (in character) would go balistic when he dumps yumi the day before she transfers, regardless of her feelings for him.

Having said that the previous episodes had set yumi up with their emphasis on how her character had grown since going out with koichi, and she had shown a bit more inititive recently.

I really liked the kazuki-eriko-asuka triangle and how that was resolved, it's a pity that wasn't the main focus of the series.

However, looking at the series as a whole it wasn't really about the individuals relationships, but more about the "being part of a group", especially in relationship to kai, eriko and (to a certain extent) yumi. At the start these are all shown as "outsiders", but come to be integrated more into the group and its activities, a very Japanese point to the story.

I quite enjoyed the series but it was way too slow - it should have been 12 or 13 episodes.

Lego

03-24-2008, 03:50 AM

Not to fan the flames as believe me I'm not going to pull a "I know how you feel" because I don't. But the way I suffered, most at my own hands for six months with this damn show I can at least try to empathize with you in that feeling of "ah crap". Although like I mentioned this is weird for me because I live and died for Kouichi x Mao, and it finally happened.

Personally I think that was the point to show Kouichi wavering. Mao had her moments throughout the whole middle and even recently. Kouichi tells Mao that hes tired of lieing(lying?) to himself, to her, and to Yuumi(we know how that ended) and tells her that he loves her, she does the same while crying, kiss, and then fireworks. They come back to them but I won't rub it in as you probably want to chuck a brick at me already.

But this series has stirred up so many emotions not just from me, but from you, and I'm sure others, it's unique.

@ cjed

She did just that in suddenly turning and questioning him about Yuumi first, then after he confesses to her much the same way she did to him. Before she even says "shouldn't you be with Yuumi, you promised Yuumi". The big thing was when she told Kouichi to go to Yuumi, but he didn't, he stood his ground with blushing/red cheeks, his mouth clenched and staring right at her after telling her that he loved her. That and if anyone had any doubt when Mao is turned after Kouichi says that he "won't let her go again" and that he "won't let her cry, won't hurt her, and won't let her be alone again". She responds to this by turning away from him crying but says "never hurt you again?" in a teary voice remembering what she went through and still goes through for him and then says "You always make me think of you and.." boom cutoff when he puts his hands on her shoulders and you know the rest. Again I hate to sound like I'm lecturing everyone(which I'm not, I'm the last person who should be heh) but the key to making the Kouichi breakup with Yuumi alright was when she said two things

"Raise your head"

and

"I've always been watching you, I knew your feelings"

It was obvious she knew, and she knows where his heart was. This is explained when Kouichi is talking to Mao at the end and he says hes tired of lying to her, himself, and to Yuumi. Hes not going to lie about his feelings anymore and hurt people. He finally decided that he loves Mao as Mao loves him. Kai's words kick started him after the Yuumi breakup. The question if it was really ok with him that Mao moved out. Kai's words were the final kick start to make Kouichi go for his true feelings. Look at what Kai said to Kouichi, He does mention that Mao gave him the same eyes in that she was lieing to herself not to hurt him, the same thing Kouichi is doing with Yuumi. In a weird way Kai is trying to get at Kouichi's feelings for Mao, he even mentions to him "you know her feelings don't you?" A shot at Kouichi as if he had to spell it out for him. This all ties into Kouichi knowing but hes lieing to himself like Mao did about her true feelings trying not to hurt the other person they're with. This is one reason why the ending was amazing for me seeing that finally get out between Kouichi and Mao and a mutual teary confession.

Kai knows that Mao loves Kouichi and he is making sure that Kouichi knows right then and there. When him and Mao talk later on when her classmates try to push her out(to go on her own) Kai does the same thing in basically telling Mao to go and good luck on her exams since he knows that her heart is with Kouichi. I don't think that little smile on his face at the end was from the fireworks, he has to know that with a little help from him Kouichi and Mao are now finally together and hes happy that Mao is finally happy. Out of everyone he knew first hand that Mao loves Kouichi big time and that Kouichi is lieing about his feelings for her since hes seen it first hand. Hes going to go tour with that band, so hes written out and gone.

Asuka is the female Kai in pushing Eriko towards Kaz again, a nice little pep talk. So nothing I said will change anything, but my mind is finally able to be at ease with a Kouichi and Mao couple and I'm sorry if I spoiled it(you mentioned it something) or poured salt into any open wounds.

something

03-24-2008, 03:55 AM

Having said that the previous episodes had set yumi up with their emphasis on how her character had grown since going out with koichi, and she had shown a bit more inititive recently.
The first part of your post explains it - sure they set this little safety net up on the side, but that doesn't make the execution any more deplorable. It's an unqualified failure of a show. Not even Blue Drop made me wish I'd never watched a second of the series before. And I may have hated HiME's ending, hated it a lot, but it's STILL one of my absolute all time favorite shows.

But Kimikiss? It can go to hell.

Damnit, I need to hurry up and go watch something else less terrible before work.

Westlo

03-24-2008, 08:42 AM

Episode 24:

This may be the first time an ending has rendered an entire show completely worthless.

I can't agree with that because the entire show was leading up to this especially from the last scene of episode 6. You honestly can't tell me you where blindsided by this? You really expected Yuumi and Kouichi to say in such a relationship that was flat lining? Their relationship peaked at the kiss Mao saw on the train and went down from than on, 9 episodes on a downward slide it was bloody obvious this would happen. KNGE, ef, this show (and I truly fucking hope so fucking much True Tears) follow the formula of the winning girl looking screwed midway through.

From the flu episode Kouichi started noticing Mao (just watch the episode at Mitsuki's house for proof of this) more and the only reason he started to devote himself to Yuumi was the news of her transferring.

The writing was on the wall for a long time, I honestly have no idea why you and Aroduc (Tenka Seiha blog) actually thought Kai was a chance with Mao after 17.

Speaking of Aroduc's blog, cheer yourself up with this http://blog.seiha.org/?p=732

something

03-24-2008, 10:13 AM

I can't agree with that because the entire show was leading up to this especially from the last scene of episode 6. You honestly can't tell me you where blindsided by this?
Oh, I feared it from very early on and constantly said as much, but there was nothing, absolutely nothing, that made it a requirement of the story's conclusion, until the very end when he reneged on their promise and threw Yuumi in the trash. Knowing something stupid is a possibility does not mean it's any more acceptable when the stupid decision gets made.

There were more than enough chances (many of which were even taken and at least temporarily developed!) to come to a conclusion where Mao decides to move on, let go of her "little brothers", to go on to university, to find her own new life. Shit, she did it all the way up to the last episode. The "baton pass" was brilliant, and settled everything wonderfully. What a useless scene that became only minutes later. They completely missed their chance to really make Mao shine.

The conclusion was bad, uninspired writing and the execution was just abysmal in every way. And it's a shame, because I was unable to care about the other nicely handled plot developments and characters (Asuka, Eriko, etc) because this was so infuriating. And hell, I liked Mao, most of the time anyway, and she was far and away my favorite at first, so I'm not just hating on her here. But Kouichi, ugh, I want to replace his eyes with his testicles, if he even has any.

The writing was on the wall for a long time, I honestly have no idea why you and Aroduc (Tenka Seiha blog) actually thought Kai was a chance with Mao after 17.
? Who said anything about Kai? The show could have ended perfectly well with Kai and Mao still being single. I don't care that Kai didn't end up with Mao. Kai is a non-issue in my annoyance.

Anyway, I have nothing more to say about Kimikiss. Ever. I will endeavor never to mention it in any discussion thread, recommendation thread, hypothetical license announcement thread, anime romance/couples/etc thread, or in this thread. The show no longer exists in my world as of the moment I hit "Add Post", and my goal is to never even think of the title again so long as I live. Should it get licensed I'll think about it as little as possible, and I really hope it does not because then I'll have to buy it, gagging each time I hit "submit order", hoping the package gets lost in transit. Maybe I'd enter a shipping address somewhere in the bowels of Africa, but then it would be cruel to inflict Kimikiss on people already suffering malaria, poverty and malnutrition. ...Well ok they probably don't have DVD players, but you get the point. I'll probably even blacklist the 'kimi_kiss' tag on danbooru.

This is not just because I now think the show is officially shit, but because it's too easy for someone to put two and two together and spoil themselves if they know which pairings I prefer and then what I think about the ending. I imagine a lot of people will be able to figure out the ending far in advance from things Lego will say, for example, even if he never directly or intentionally spoils - this is one problem inherent to "who will get who?" romance series. So I don't want to spoil anyone, even if it's probably in their best interests to know how bad it is. Not my decision to make though.

I'm marathoning the rest of Sketchbook ~full color'S~ when I get home. Watching eps 6-8 cheered me up before I left for work, and finishing it off tonight should fully purge my mind of the abuse inflicted upon it by this... thing.

Suwako Moriya

03-24-2008, 10:32 AM

Ah I see the ending has angered you quite a bit. Truth be told, I'm not sure how I feel about Mao x Kouichi. On one hand I'm not exactly against them getting together. On the other hand I don't like how Yuumi essentially became a sacrifice with her only consolation being the "I'm stronger and more independent now" line. Or how Kouichi's desire to be with Yuumi suddenly became meaningless or a joke as if he never really cared that much about her.

Still I think the major problem with Mao x Kouichi not the two getting together or Yuumi being treated like a sacrifice. No the real problem is how much they dragged what was beyond automatic and most of it consisted of first Mao being angsty then Kouichi being angsty. At least the Eriko/Kazuki/Asuka side of things mixed things up a bit.

Seriously they could have spent some of that time on other things. Like for example give us more Mitsuki. Heck maybe even develop the Akira x Megumi relationship a bit further. Seriously Mao x Kouich with bonus Yuumi sacrifice is like watching a basketball game where the score is 150 to 30 and there is 2 seconds left on the clock (I hope that's a large enough gap and time difference), but the ref decides to put the game on hold repeatedly just to drag out what's already been decided.

I think it would have been better if it didn't take forever for Mao to get around to making her move and for Kouichi to dump Yuumi. I think it would have been more interesting if Yuumi had been dumped sooner. Plus it's almost convenient that she gets dumped close as possible to the time she's going to leave.

So in conclusion I can't say I hate the two being together, but it could have been handled a lot better in the long run. For an example of that we can look at Kazuki x Eriko with Asuka on the side. That was definitely the better relationship.

I mean sure Eriko did get a bit emo in part because she was probably confused on her own feelings. Mainly due to the fact she had to realize things like love aren't a simple science. However it felt like quite a bit was happening between the two. Also Asuka doesn't feel like a sacrifice, but more like a friend who accepts that things won't go further. Plus she didn't have that "I'm leaving" plotline.

Over all I have mixed feelings on this series. It started out pretty good. However then it eventually started to drag. Several characters were shafted just for the sake of letting other things drag. There were rather nice scenes and rather pointless scenes. How I feel about the ending depends on which side I look at it from. Ie Kouchi side, Kazuki side, or Akira side.

As for Blue Drop err there's no way I'm watching that and in terms of My-HiME, you already know that I'm supporter of Mashiro Kazahana so I'm probably biased in that regard. Plus playing certain games where defensive and healing powers are a norm has made me used to certain things.

Suwako Moriya

03-24-2008, 10:44 AM

I can't agree with that because the entire show was leading up to this especially from the last scene of episode 6.

To be honest in my case the problem was I could see it coming a mile away. And while I knew they were going to drag out until the finale episode, I was still bothered by it quite a bit. In again due to the poor pacing and the time wasted that could have been spent on other characters. That will continue to be my main problem.

Lego

03-24-2008, 12:01 PM

Am I the only one thrilled and genuinley happy that Kouichi and Mao are together? I don't see Yuumi as a sacrifice, it would be a sacrifice if she had to break up with him and push him towards Mao, ie holding his hand. When Mao did that "Baton Pass" thing, look at how she acts and her body motions. She is in distress from the time she first comes upon Yuumi. Remember she still doesn't know Kouichi's true feelings for her, so she has resigned herself into that scene and hugs Yuumi. The good girl that Yuumi is she picks up on it right away and is left wondering what the hell just happened. Then at the end where Kouichi and Yuumi breakup she does the same thing Mao did to her but with Kouichi. Notice how she keeps looking at her hand as if to "pass Kouichi to Mao". Again that key line is:

"I've always been watching you, I knew your feelings".

She knew that he loved Mao, she even wanted to ask him about it. It also ties into to what he said to Mao about lying to her, Yuumi, and himself about his feelings. Kai even picks up on this when he asks Kouichi if he knows "Mao's true feelings" and says that Mao made the same eyes with him when she was lying to herself to avoid from hurting him. Kouichi is doing the same thing with Yuumi. That and Kai's simple question of "Mao moved out, is it ok with you?" was the final straw for Kouichi to go after Mao after the Yuumi breakup.

The "is it ok with you?", basically in a sense saying "go for your true feelings". But if theres one thing that did irk me at times in the series was the pacing. Kouichi x Yuumi should of been a lot shorter since they dragged it out for a good eight episodes when we all knew that their relationship was in trouble since Kouichi's feelings for Mao were in high gear. I loved the Kouichi and Mao confession scene but because of saving it for literally the last minute you don't get to see them as a happy couple and even though others might not want to see it as a Kouichi and Mao fan I'd love to.

The ending was anti climatic to some but a long time coming for me.

Suwako Moriya

03-24-2008, 12:03 PM

Suwako Moriya

03-24-2008, 12:06 PM

Lego

03-24-2008, 12:06 PM

After six months of driving myself insane it was an amazing payoff.

Actually about that, I don't mean any offense, but I'll be honest here. I saw no real point worrying about Mao's chances of ending up with Kouichi. Simply because they did their best to constantly remind you that it would happen. And as the series progressed Yuumi's chances dropped. From 95% for a mere two or three episodes to -50%.

Well you saw my posts and even my pm's in how mentally retarded I was with this series. The damn thing grabbed me from the start and wouldn't let go even now. I went through a roller coaster of emotions with the series and the last episode but when I saw Kouichi going after Mao I got goosebumps, hell I even almost shed a tear when him and Mao were finally with each other.

Golthin says the same thing to me in that he saw the hints and writing on the wall but I guess I was just to bull headed or superstitious to believe it. But like I told golthin on that evil other forum that difference is that I can be spoiled ten times over, discuss things at length yet the ending still gets to me, even after watching that part 20 or so times.

Weird I know, but thats the only way I can describe my feelings towards this series.

rg4619

03-24-2008, 01:57 PM

I'm not quite understanding the extreme reactions to this series.

It happens a lot with romance shows, especially those with long, drawn out conflicts. Somehow, a particular end pairing can either vindicate a series or turn it into complete crap, depending on a viewer's preferences. I've never understood it myself (although I tend to judge a series by overall execution rather than the plot details).

To be honest in my case the problem was I could see it coming a mile away. And while I knew they were going to drag out until the finale episode, I was still bothered by it quite a bit. In again due to the poor pacing and the time wasted that could have been spent on other characters. That will continue to be my main problem.

That's my problem as well. The people who planned the series failed to prepare enough material ahead of time (underdeveloped characters; lots of filler scenes) and mishandled the love triangles by needlessly drawing them out. Consequently, the show fizzled out well before the finale.

Kimikiss feels flat when taken as a whole. However, I don't think a loose final quarter negates the good points of the show. Some individual episodes were fabulously executed, and in general, storyboarding and timing are top-notch even when the writing is dull. Despite my waning enthusiasm, I sat through every episode without quitting midway (although Ep. 23 really tested my patience), which is more than I can say for most recent series.

In the end, I'll probably remember and praise the show for the quality content it does present. I got several hours of entertainment, so I'm still pleased. Nonetheless, I'll simultaneously see it as an example of missed opportunities and questionable planning.

Lego

03-24-2008, 02:25 PM

The one thing I'm noticing a lot is a lot of comments about the pacing and the length. I can agree with those in that it really should of been a True Tears like series length wise. Things did feel drawn out at times but I still loved the ending. My only thing is that at times it felt like the staff wasn't sure if they should or were allowed to go forward or not. There were so many episodes from 20-24 with them finally going for it in 24 that you felt like you could of ended it with the same result.

Still they knew what they were doing with the buildup, and we got a good ending.

Suwako Moriya

03-24-2008, 02:30 PM

I can agree with those in that it really should of been a True Tears like series length wise.

It's hard to say if a shorter length would have done any good with the Mao x Kouichi pacing. It would depend on what was removed in order to make the series shorter. Instead of removing some of the dragged out Mao x Kouichi stuff, they may have removed other things instead. Still in the end it's not length, but what one does with it that matters. Both short and long series can make proper use of their time. Both can completely butcher their time.

Lego

03-24-2008, 02:38 PM

I love the series the way it's, but even with the 24 episodes you still had things like the udon girls, class rep girl, Mitsuki, Akira, and other little ends that they left. I guess thats my only real complaint. We have the luxury of looking back on 24 episodes now and going "Well they could of cut this and this and this" or "changed this". I guess it's me looking back hearing all the arguments trying to think about it.

Man I loved Mitsuki's voice in 24, it makes me :blush: whenever I hear it :grin:

I wanted to put up blushing Mao/Mao and Kouichi kissing for my avatar, but that would be a big no no with the spoilers.

Suwako Moriya

03-24-2008, 06:32 PM

I wanted to put up blushing Mao/Mao and Kouichi kissing for my avatar, but that would be a big no no with the spoilers.

Why not make it your wallpaper? That way you'd to view it as a much larger image. Not like people here can see that. So you get the better view and avoid spoiling.

Lego

03-24-2008, 07:03 PM

Nah, I'd be staring at it for weeks and while I enjoyed the ending and the fact that Kouichi and Mao got together finally it has come time for me to try to push Kimikiss aside. It's a tough thing to do seeing that it has dominated my mind for a good six months but I'm trying heh.

Or at least until we see what this mystery episode/omake/epilogue/whatever is coming up on the last DVD. But the ending is set in stone, go Kouichi and Mao.

Draneor

03-24-2008, 07:14 PM

This may be the first time an ending has rendered an entire show completely worthless.

I felt that way about Shuffle and Kimi Ga Nozomu Eien myself.

Lego

03-24-2008, 07:16 PM

KGNE made me want to punch something and made me depressed a whole week. Shuffle? I loved it.

Draneor

03-24-2008, 07:17 PM

Am I the only one thrilled and genuinley happy that Kouichi and Mao are together?

I'm sure several are very happy. Also again I'm not so much bitter that they are together. I'm bitter about how it was handled and what was shafted because of it.

Personally, I enjoyed the ending. Both Mao and Futami Eriko ended up happy so I'm happy. I do feel bad for Yuumi, since I did like her too, but I thought the ending was sweet. It had an almost Canvas2 feel to it. And I loved the ending to Canvas2.

That sad, I would have executed the Mao and Kouichi moment a bit better. Since they waited until the very last two minutes, there wasn't any time to animate any after story. :(

Draneor

03-24-2008, 07:20 PM

Shuffle? I loved it.

My problem is that I really, really, really did not like a certain girl in Shuffle and really, really, really liked someone else who's character got mauled by the script writer. But you can't win them all.

I know a lot of people felt that way about Da Capo (Nemu/Kotori) Honestly, I'll never understand the Nemu hatred since she is my favorite character of all time (not that I also didn't like Kotori). But people have different feelings.

Lego

03-24-2008, 07:20 PM

Thats what I wish I could see because you know that Kouichi and Mao went to her apartment after walking home together :surprised:. Theres no way you have the much pent up love, act like that and not decide to stay with each other the whole night.

Still part of my mind is telling me "leave well enough alone Lego", "leave well enough alone" in regards to getting that Kouichi and Mao ending that I wanted executed in a defining way so theres no mistake. I'm hoping that it won't turn out to be something like the Onegai Teacher OVA where it was an episode of angst till the good part at the end. That and I'm interested in just seeing them as a couple, they looked so happy and at peace with each other that I'd like to see how Kaz and Eriko would react, even Asuka or his and her classmates.

I personally think that Kaz and Eriko knew, Mitsuki knew, Akira knew. That movie scene pretty much let everyone know. So while I wouldn't mind seeing a Hime like "extended footage ending" with them walking together or going into Mao's apartment or back to Kouichi's house together(imagine how his mom would react heh, she'd probably say "about time") for some "way hey hey", it probably won't happen or I'll have to pay for that with some BS they'd come up with like in Onegai Teacher for an episode.

Draneor

03-24-2008, 07:22 PM

Thats what I wish I could see because you know that Kouichi and Mao went to her apartment after walking home together :surprised:. Theres no way you have the much pent up love, act like that and not decide to stay with each other the whole night.

Good Haruhi, Lego. This isn't based on an adult game so none of that! Go hunt down KimiKiss doujinshi if you want that kind of thing as I don't think you'll be seeing it officially. :)

I was more wanting to see some more innocent and sweet development in the new path their relationship has taken. Like their first date. Holding hands. That kind of thing.

Anyway, Osananajimi always win in the end (or should--unless an imouto overrules them). Osananajimi power! Oneesan + Osananajimi power was just too much; Yuumi never stood a chance. ^^U

Lego

03-24-2008, 07:25 PM

Heh, thats how much I like them as a couple. But yeah, I imagine that Mao would be glowing like she was resting her head on Kouichi's shoulder and smiling at him the whole time with Kouichi. They were holding hands the second time they kissed, so thats a start. I'm basing some of it on Mao, she wanted that second kiss right away and went in for it on her tipy toes, of course Kouichi was happy to oblige :laugh:.

It's going to be weird since Mao is going to college while Kouichi has one more year left, she is a year older. But after all of that and that big scene I imagine that Mao would run home to him or vice versa every day :laugh:

Draneor

03-24-2008, 07:39 PM

Lego

03-24-2008, 07:42 PM

Well, to sum it up, I enjoyed this show quite a bit. I do not personally feel it is R2 worthy, and I doubt I'll pick up the game, unless it gets a budget release. Although I really did want the Mao and Eriko towels, I'll be passing on those too. However, if it does ever get licensed for a R1 or R3 release, I'll pick it up then. PVCs of Mao, Eriko, or Yuumi are on my want list too. In the end, I'm a sucker for romance.

On a side note, I'm just glad udon girl wasn't chosen as I really, really, really hate her. She and her frog can go drown in a peat bog.

Me and you should collaborate on a new show this upcoming season, we sound a lot alike :grin:. There is a figure set of the girls but I believe it's out of stock. There is a book that deals with the game(1 of 2) that comes with six figures, so I can link that for you if you want it.

I personally ordered the reissue of the PS2 game last night after seeing the ending, it's going to sit on my shelf right next to my Mao pillowcase that I got with said book :noodle:. Of all things I was really hoping that Bandai Visual picked this up because at least I could get the show since I can't see Funi or Bandai licensing it, ADV? Maybe, but not now. The show does have Bandai Visual listed on the ANN page.

I'm going to try my best to stay away from this thread since I finally got that Kouichi and Mao ending with confessions, kisses, and nice moments. It's hard for me to do but I need to try to put Kimikiss behind me after these long six months now that it has ended and on a happy note. I'm sure that when the last DVD comes out with whatever they want to add to it, it'll all come back again but as of now I need to close the book on the series and on it in my mind since my mind still wants me to worry but there is nothing to worry about, it's over, Kouichi and Mao are together and happy.

Draneor

03-24-2008, 07:48 PM

it's going to sit on my shelf right next to my Mao pillowcase that I got with said book :noodle:

I didn't know the book came with a Mao Pillowcase. Also, if you forgot, I was the one who made the 20 item list of KimiKiss merchandise for you a while back in retail.^^U

but as of now I need to close the book on the series and on it in my mind since my mind still wants me to worry but there is nothing to worry about, it's over, Kouichi and Mao are together and happy.

Yup. Whether one enjoyed the ending or did not, it's over. Time to move on to the next one. Like To-Love-Ru or Kanokon.

Lego

03-24-2008, 07:51 PM

I thought so, man then that settles it, pick a series and I'll watch it with you and post next season :evil:

Suwako Moriya

03-24-2008, 10:46 PM

KGNE made me want to punch something and made me depressed a whole week. Shuffle? I loved it.

KGNE made me happy that Haruka didn't end up with that trash. As for Shuffle, I rather liked the ending myself. Although I do admit the series could stand some improvement.

Lego

03-25-2008, 06:26 AM

Thats the sunny side of things, why couldn't he of been hit by a car instead?. It just seemed so abrupt for a nice person like Haruka to suddenly get "plot twisted" and screwed out of the show. Oh well, Fuck you Mitsuki.

Kimikiss was really about two people, Kouichi and Mao growing up both emotionally and mentally when it came to their feelings. If theres one thing I take away from the show it's exactly what Mitsuki said when talking to Kaz about how "love isn't always pretty" and it "comes in many shapes". This completley describes Kouichi and Mao's relationship before the big confession. Kouichi's love for Mao was always caring for her, always thinking about her, always being with her. Mao's was a little more open but shes that kind of person, remember how shy Kouichi is.

Thats why Mao even mentions to Yuumi when shes trying to forget yet again that "Kouichi acted many and that she can retire her older sister role". This is where I think Kouichi and Mao are finally on equal ground in their relationship, no "older sister"/"younger brother" stuff, just two people who love each other. The one thing that really told me that Kouichi had changed for the better was when he used Mao's confession on her then when Mao tried to shoo him away so she wouldn't get hurt he stood his ground, determined. Then most of all he quickly and confidently walked up to her, hands on shoulders, and reaffirmed that he deeply loved her.

This was all that Mao needed and she broke down, even wiping her tears on his hand and saying "Me, too", "I love you, Kouichi!" before the big kiss. I've never seen Mao so happy and content before, good ending.

Westlo

03-25-2008, 07:46 AM

Thats the sunny side of things, why couldn't he of been hit by a car instead?. It just seemed so abrupt for a nice person like Haruka to suddenly get "plot twisted" and screwed out of the show. Oh well, Fuck you Mitsuki.

:alert: kgne spoilers :alert:

Mitsuki > Akane >>>>>> Haruka

If it wasn't for Mitsuki in the first place Haruka would never had been his girlfriend. She never had the courage to ask him in the first place so she made her friend do the dirty work and become friends with him so she could set them up. Not to mention that in addition to pity the main reason he become her boyfriend was because she was Mitsuki's friend.

Mitsuki earned the win, I will never watch that abomination of an OVA series unless I hear Akane steals him from Haruka in the last episode

Lego

03-25-2008, 08:00 AM

Thats one of the reasons why I'm so afraid for a Kimikiss OVA or even an episode like Onegai Teacher had on the DVD. Of course afraid in the figurative sense I'm not curled up in a fetal position in my room(some would say thats an improvement heh). You don't want something to come along either for a cash/DVD sales grab or to mess with a solid ending and a series that can be considered finished. This isn't Tenchi or even FMP where you need to keep going.

Njr Scrawl

03-25-2008, 12:27 PM

Lego

03-25-2008, 02:28 PM

So...would you buy Kimikiss if releases on R1? Not because you'd seen the digis, but on the show's merits.

There are spinoff possibilities IMO, just as there is for any romance/slice of life. Either dealing with secondary characters & couples, or focussing on particular events - either during the main story or after its ended. All depends on how well thought out they are, rather than being primarily just extra merchandise for collectors. :noodle:

Well something I found interesting was Enterbrain must have tight creative control since they series showed you what they were going for if you paid attention to it form the starting. That and you really had no merchandise coming out with it aside from a ecchi towel coming out now for Mao and Eriko, a coffee mug, and some misc stuff.

There really wasn't a lot of fanservice either aside from a few ankle shots and Eriko in the shower but it was more of a Shuffle moment then a "ooo shower" moment.

I'd personally buy it on R1 now if it was licensed because the ending made it all worthwhile to me. Golthin, Westlo, and I'm sure Aya and others say it coming but I was to bullheaded and superstitious to accept it thinking that if I did something would run that great Kouichi and Mao ending we got. But yeah I'd buy it on R1 in a heartbeat since I most likely wouldn't sit through the whole series again and torture myself, just replay the last episode like I did with the raw then the sub to see that great Kouichi and Mao scene at the end.

I don't even want to hear the word "spin off", "OVA", or sequels. I don't think after watching an entire series were two people were so meant for each other and loved each lying to themselves and to each other for the whole series until they were finally able to tell each other in the last minutes I could sit through a spin off where they'd come up with some BS to create drama.

They've suffered enough, let them be that happy couple that they will be now that they're dating and much much more. There is supposed to be some mystery "25th episode" coming out with the last DVD, I hope it isn't anything that'll screw up the ending since I waited the whole series for it. At least at the end of the Onegai Teacher OVA they had sex and walked home together. Lets just say that after Kouichi's declaration to Mao saying that he loved her deeply to her face, Mao saying she did to, the kiss, then the second kiss initiated by Mao where they both look like the happiest people in the world I don't want to see them apart of mad at each other.

Hopefully they make the little thing about Mitsuki, Akira, and the class rep girl, keep it away from Kouichi and Mao, don't screw up their love :susel:

Draneor

03-25-2008, 04:57 PM

Draneor

03-25-2008, 05:07 PM

I thought so, man then that settles it, pick a series and I'll watch it with you and post next season :evil:

I wish I did know of a romance to fill the void of KimiKiss this season. Both of the shows I am most looking forward to right now, Kanokon (http://www.kanokon.com/index-n.html) and To-Love-Ru (http://www.tbs.co.jp/anime/to-love-ru/), should be fan-service filled. Should be, assuming Xebec doesn't screw them up and the broadcast versions aren't censored to death like so many other similar shows have been in the past. Itazura na Kiss (http://itakiss-anime.jp/index.htm) looks to be a shoujo romance as does S-A ~Special-A~ (http://special-a.jp/). There is always D.C.II.S.S. (http://www.starchild.co.jp/special/dc2ss/) to fall back on.^^

I dunno. I can only wait and see for most shows, although the five I listed above look interesting. As for a slice of life romance, probably one of the two shoujo anime might be the best chance.

Lego

03-25-2008, 06:02 PM

It could be an alternate ending--that has happened before. Or perhaps a clip show.

As far as KimiKiss merchandise is concerned, keep in mind that only a small fraction of merchandise released gets posted online on English sites.

NO NO NO NO NO NO!, FUCK OFF KAI, MAO LOVES KOUICHI!

Sorry.. had to get that out. I don't want to see Kouichi and Mao finally get together as a solid couple after a whole series, after that last scene and have them throw it all out for some fan pandering. I'm personally hoping it's some cheesey thing like the movie they worked on...

Suwako Moriya

03-25-2008, 06:24 PM

NO NO NO NO NO NO!, FUCK OFF KAI, MAO LOVES KOUICHI!

Why do I get the feeling the second you play the Kimikiss game, you'll only play through the Mao path and be too nervous to play through any other path?

Draneor

03-25-2008, 06:30 PM

Why do I get the feeling the second you play the Kimikiss game, you'll only play through the Mao path and be too nervous to play through any other path?

That was me and Ar Tonelico. I just can't hurt Misha-chan (so no Aurica ending for me). ^^

Westlo

03-25-2008, 07:11 PM

Special A is going to be dope if Gonzo don't fuck it up.

Draneor

03-25-2008, 07:23 PM

if Gonzo don't fuck it up.

That's a big if (for me). But I do hope it turns out well. I kind of wish it was part of their experiment instead.

Lego

03-25-2008, 07:30 PM

If I could read the game even though I have no means to play it, I just want it I'd only do the Mao route really. I like Eriko, but shes not my type when it comes to the "distant, really good hearted" female characters that seem to be popular these days, ie Rei.

Yuumi really isn't my thing, shes a nice girl don't get me wrong, but to quiet and reserved. Asuka is more of a good friend type. Mitsuki is more of a "big sister" type to me, the refined girl you go to when you need advice or someone to talk to. Class rep girl doesn't interest me at all, sorry. The Udon twins are out as well, no interest.

Although that is different from how I felt in the series. I was introduced to the term "shipper" over on that evil forum and I'm not one of them. Sure I wanted Kouichi and Mao to get together like they did, the ending was amazing. I kept mentioning it, but I had no vested interest in "predicting the right couple", "bragging about it", or "adding a notch to my score card", I genuinely wanted to see them together after the whole series that that last couple minutes really made me happy.

My inital reaction to a "alternate ending" as you saw was a "HELL NO" in kinder terms. Heres hoping that they just make it some cheesy thing and not some BS thing that ruins the series or ending.

Go Kouichi and Mao :beat:

Westlo

03-25-2008, 07:31 PM

Well I have some hope in that it's a joint project with AIC, I think because of that it's the reason why it isn't part of the "experiment".

Suwako Moriya

03-25-2008, 07:33 PM

That was me and Ar Tonelico. I just can't hurt Misha-chan (so no Aurica ending for me). ^^

I kind of wish the print run of that game was larger. So much for the wait for a price drop plan. I feel stupid... Ah well I'll live without it. Then again I may not be able to talk. In one game I refuse to play a certain quest because a character I always use can't join. I consider that quest to be pure evil.

Suwako Moriya

03-25-2008, 07:33 PM

Special A is going to be dope if Gonzo don't fuck it up.

Ah yes that series, I may check out an episode or two out of curiosity.

Westlo

03-25-2008, 07:43 PM

I don't think you will be disappointed, it has the potential to be the next Ouran in terms of popularity if it's well done. I actually prefer the 5 volumes (Around 18-20 episodes worth of material) of the S.A manga I've read to the seven episodes I've seen of Ouran. The lead female is dense but not to the point of frustration and JunFuk will do a stellar job as the lead. I just can't guarantee the quality of the anime but if it sucks I'll fall back on the manga which I will still read anyway since there is no way they will be able to animate it all.

Suwako Moriya

03-25-2008, 07:55 PM

I don't think you will be disappointed, it has the potential to be the next Ouran in terms of popularity if it's well done.

Well it's only a matter of time before I find out if you end up being right or not.

Lego

03-25-2008, 08:01 PM

Draneor

03-25-2008, 08:18 PM

Well I have some hope in that it's a joint project with AIC, I think because of that it's the reason why it isn't part of the "experiment".

Ah, AIC actually does good work. I had forgotten they were involved with it. I did like Seto no Hanayome, so AIC + Gonzo may result in a good show. ^^ Yeah!

Draneor

03-25-2008, 08:19 PM

Not to detract from your conversation over Kimikiss's successor but on that evil, evil forum someone linked to an amazing Mao PVC. Has anyone seen it around besides seeing at something like WF as a model?

No, it hasn't been solicited yet. Do you know what company made the prototype or if it was a garage kit?

Westlo

03-25-2008, 08:23 PM

Ah, AIC actually does good work. I had forgotten they were involved with it. I did like Seto no Hanayome, so AIC + Gonzo may result in a good show. ^^ Yeah!

My intial reaction to hearing Gonzo was doing this was fuck fuck fuck fuck. Than I heard AIC were doing it jointly with them like SnH so I became slightly optimistic.

Lego

03-25-2008, 08:34 PM

This (http://littlepinksummer.blog95.fc2.com/blog-entry-76.html) one. It looks so nice :blush:

untoldsorrow

03-25-2008, 09:02 PM

Well, Episode 24 was satisfy to say the least. Didn't care for Mao x Koichi much, loved the Kazuki x Eriko lots more. I loved how they handled their relationship. Eriko was smart enough to realize that Asuka was going to confess to Kazuki. She was suprised when Asuka showed up. She expected her to be with Kazuki since they feel so natural and right together compared to her and Kazuki. I loved Kazuki's words when he finally found her on the roof. He is cool, he has grown the most during the series IMO. This time he was the one to initialize the kiss.

As for Mao x Kouchi, was expected so wasn't too upset, I did like Yuumi alot also. I think it was set up nice since the kiss scene recording when she dropped her book at the end of that episode. She knew from then that Koichi loved Mao most. It was great that she told him that she was waiting for him to tell her. It would have been better than she breaking up with him for that reason because she couldn't stand being 2nd when she's the one dating him.

I would buy this no questions ask if it got a R1 release.

Lego

03-25-2008, 10:01 PM

Just a quick note that I forgot to bring up is that the "special" section will have one last update this week with supposed DVD info. I'm really hoping that they don't somehow fuck it up, heres what was posted.

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Bah, now I'm getting hyped up again over the mere suggestion of an "alternate ending". God I hope not...

Lego

03-31-2008, 03:05 AM

Well it looks like I dodged a bullet with some friendly help from the AOD chatroom.

The site is updated (http://www.kimikiss-pure-rouge.jp/special/index.html) .

It looks like the extra episode will be about Megumi, so fans of her can dance for joy. Little surprised they left Mitsuki out in the cold as well. Looks like it'll be between her and Akira, not surprised if Mitsuki gets put in a little. It'll take place when they're looking for the main female lead for the movie club, so probably before Mao agrees to take the job.

Then you have Mao's VA talking about the different characters:

On Kouichi:

"i made a solid bond with mao(you already know what the bond is from watching the end of 24); however many years later, it would be nice if i/we could meet yuumi-chan on good terms"

If you notice the pictures under the character parts the ones that ended up together:

Kouichi and Mao
Eriko and Kaz
Akira and Megumi

are all next to each other while the loser(I couldn't think of a better word) is next to both of them.

Westlo

03-31-2008, 04:53 AM

Lego

03-31-2008, 04:58 AM

Oh nice Megumi rocks! Guess they realized they pulled that relationship out of nowhere... but I really didn't mind since Megumi was the only real tsundere in the show and if Akira had turned out to be Mitsuki's finance... /face palm.

Yeah, I was sweating bullets hoping it wasn't something else. From the thing with AOD channel help(thanks again) it looks like it's going to be almost all about Megumi and Akira, and Megumi's feelings towards Akira changing. This also lets them put it before any of the big developments in Kouichi and Mao, so it's a win win and it'll only be one episode to fill out the last DVD.

Now I can finally close the book on this series, with visions of Kouichi and Mao all lovey dovey in my head, both of them saying and now being able to openly say they really love each other. Those looks on Kouichi's and Mao's faces, especially Mao's makes my heart glad that they're together. That and Mao going in for that second tipey toe kiss with Kouichi then going back to holding each other, they'll be fine.

Westlo

03-31-2008, 05:52 AM

Btw quoting you from animelike

Update

TWO DVD only episodes?

Ah god damnit

Read the website wrong?

Lego

03-31-2008, 05:53 AM

Yeah, I did. I had to get some help, and it's one episode. Basically it sounds like this'll be the episode where Megumi realizes she likes Akira. It won't come out until August so I'm not going to wait for it. The series ended nicely after a series long buildup of Kouichi and Mao, I'm not going to go over it fifty times a day when we now know the this "DVD only episode" will focus on Akira and Megumi when they're first trying to find a female lead or after Yuumi is horrible at it.

The timing of that makes it a little dicey, but I'm leaning more towards the original choice since it would be hard to fit a full 24 minute episode into that time from of an episode.

Suwako Moriya

03-31-2008, 03:51 PM

Oh nice Megumi rocks! Guess they realized they pulled that relationship out of nowhere... but I really didn't mind since Megumi was the only real tsundere in the show and if Akira had turned out to be Mitsuki's finance... /face palm.

Having the extra episode focused on Megumi almost feels like they're trying to apologize for her being shafted. Also to be honest I don't think there was any real chance of Akira or any of the named characters being her finance even if she had a more major role.

If anything the finance would have probably have just been some random guy we meet later who's only role is to be some sort of obstacle for whoever would have ended up with Mitsuki. So if it had ended up as Akira x Mitsuki then more likely he would have ended up competing with the finance rather than actually be him.

Lego

03-31-2008, 05:24 PM

Well something HAD TO of happened since Megumi is hanging around Akira in episode 24 to the point that shes fishing for him to notice her. She was a secret character in the game, so I don't mind her getting some time since they went all the way to making her and Akira a couple. I'm sure Mitsuki will have her moment to since it's hinted at that she likes Akira. That and her little "speech" at the end to Kaz about love, which seemed really out of place.

The full cast looks like they'll make a final, token appearance which isn't to surprising. I'm hoping that this is when they're first looking for a lead around 8 or 9 and not up in the 15/16 range where things could get dicey. It tells you something that the director is stepping in and doing the storyboard himself. It even says "rewind to a time" so this is going to be purely in the past.

Still it'll be weird seeing something like that with I'm sure current relationships when we had that great Kouichi and Mao ending that I've talked about a thousand times. So I guess they're content in leaving Kouichi and Mao at that time, since we all know that they'll be together forever based on the series then their feelings for each other that they were finally able to get out.

I'm sure he'll tease us until August, but I'm finally able to close the book on the series since even if the entire cast has big moments of "look, I'm Kaz and I have screentime", he wouldn't do anything to fuck up the series continuation.

Buster Blader 126

04-05-2008, 04:59 PM

*Campfire scene*
*Koichi sees Mao from a distance*
Koichi: *gasp*
Yumi: *stares at him sadly*
Me: ....Oh shit...
*Mao ditches her friends and goes somewhere*
Koichi: *has a grim look on his face*
Me: No...
Koichi: Hoshino-san...
Me: NO...
Yumi: Eh?
Koichi: We need to talk.
Me: NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! :(

In other words, I finally watched Episode 24 of Kimikiss.

Well, that was an interesting way to end the series off. It kind of leaves a bitter taste in my mouth in terms of how they ended it off, but I guess it was alright.

I really liked the series overall. I ended up liking almost all of the girls, and I liked how Kazuki, the "male protagonist's best friend," wasn't there just for comedic relief.

But as a fan of the "loser," I can't help but feel somewhat copped out. To be honest, I saw the whole complication involving the eventual winner coming since the beginning (who didn't?), and it was obvious as to what the outcome was going to be several episodes ago. But still....

*bawls*

~

As for "that other love triangle," I think I actually liked this one a little more. I tend to like seeing the "other main characters" or (main) supporting characters develop more than the main characters, and I really liked watching how the Kazuki/Eriko/Asuka developed over the course of the series. There were some annoying bumps along the way (mainly Kazuki being an idiot at times, with Eriko's bitchiness being the icing on the cake), but to me, that's forgivable. I actually liked both Asuka and Eriko equally, to the point that I didn't care who was going to be the lucky girl by the end of the series, unlike the other two girls, where I did prefer Yumi despite liking both her and Mao.

On another note, I also liked the interactions between Akira and Megumi in the final two episodes. I kinda wished that Megumi would be more of a supporting character than a minor character, since I kind of liked her character, and I love her hair. XD Too bad I'll never see how she and Akira really turn out.

All in all, I had fun watching Kimikiss. It was my "more light-hearted romance" series of the Fall season, and it fulfilled its role well.

Suwako Moriya

04-05-2008, 05:01 PM

In other words, I'm finally watching Episode 24 of Kimikiss. *sigh*

There there, it's okay. You just have to hope for the best for her.

Lego

04-05-2008, 10:21 PM

I somehow think this is some grand conspiracy to keep me in this show :p

I liked the finale, of course I was a huge Kouichi x Mao fan for most of the series. Mao literally had a mental breakdown when it came to her love for Kouichi. Look at her until she moves out where her spirits lift a little, shes going and is crazy for Kouichi. Yuumi just seemed kind of "there" for most of the series. I'm sure he had feelings for her, she was his crush after all but nothing to match the awakening that was his feelings for Mao.

There shouldn't be any doubt about it when he saw Mao leaving him again, shot up, told Yuumi the truth(good job Yuumi), and that was that. Then he decided to go after Mao remembering what Kai said to him about "are you alright with Mao moving out?", hence the whole "I lied to Yuumi, to me, and to you" bit he says to Mao at the end. The whole show Kouichi was absorbed in Mao but he couldn't place his feelings and felt guilty because he was with Yuumi.

Again comes Kai and his "Mao had the same sad eyes you do, she was trying not to hurt me but she was lying to herself. Basically saying he knew that Mao's heart was with Kouichi, but Mao was to good of a person to hurt him much like Kouichi. So in the end we get a nice confession, a kiss, then a head on shoulder moment before Mao goes up on her tippy toes to kiss Kouichi a second time. For me the biggest thing was the way Mao looked at Kouichi before the second kiss, she never looked that happy and that "into someone" the whole series. Of course Mao going up for the second kiss and Kouichi's big smile confirmed this, but it was nice for them to end it with us seeing them together and both of them being truly happy.

Buster Blader 126

04-06-2008, 12:33 AM

In other words, I'm finally watching Episode 24 of Kimikiss. *sigh*

There there, it's okay. You just have to hope for the best for her.

*sigh* Yes, I know.

Looking back at the posts for Episode 24, I can see that there were some people who really liked the last episode/eventual outcome (Lego), while some people, well, didn't like it so much (something). I guess you can say that my thoughts of the last episode are a bit mixed.

As I said in my last post, I thought that the final episode was OK. I mainly say this because while I didn't mind most of the things that happened in the episode overall, I also didn't really like how the transition to Mao was executed.

Simply put, I kind of expected a little more out of that ending. Yes, it did end on a happy note (for Mao fans) and despite being a Yumi fan myself, I would ultimately accept a Mao/Koichi pairing, because Mao's an awesome character overall. But it just didn't feel right to me that they would simply end the series right then and there with the confession. It felt to me like there could've been more to it afterwards, like an aftermath, further interaction with the characters or whatnot.

Personally, I think that they dragged out the whole Koichi-wavering-towards-Mao thing a little too far. In my opinion, they shouldn't have waited until the very last episode for Koichi to dump Yumi AND confess to Mao. I wouldn't have minded one or the other to happen separately in the final two episodes, but not both in the final episode, especially if it's within a span of 8-10 minutes. It just felt kind of rushed.

The scene with Mao and Yumi was kind of interesting. I thought that it was ironic that Mao was "passing the baton" to Yumi, yet it would all be moot when it would be Mao that would end up with Koichi. If I had any hope that Yumi would still be with Koichi, I might've been a bit irked in regards to how it seemed like Mao was moving on. But I was so firmly into the "yeah, Yumi's screwed" mentality that it didn't really faze me. I was simply waiting for the breakup to be officially official.

Otherwise, the episode was fine. The other couple(s) made the episode more enjoyable to watch, Mitsuki is love :beatingheart: , and the actual confession scene was still good.

Suwako Moriya

04-06-2008, 12:38 AM

In my opinion, they shouldn't have waited until the very last episode for Koichi to dump Yumi AND confess to Mao.

On that note I still find it utterly convenient that he dumped her close to the time she's about to leave. Honestly I think dumping her earlier could have made things more interesting and give Yuumi a role beyond wait to be trashed.

Suwako Moriya

04-06-2008, 01:35 AM

Some guy named Kaz was in it to, but we ignored him :p.

Clearly someone wants Eriko to preform an experiment on him and I don't mean the "love" kind. :devil:

Lego

04-06-2008, 01:47 AM

Some guy named Kaz was in it to, but we ignored him :p.

Clearly someone wants Eriko to preform an experiment on him and I don't mean the "love" kind. :devil:

I didn't mind Kaz at all, hell that episode where he had the guts to walk to Eriko's apartment, flowers in hand to basically confess again to her was amazing. Eriko was amazing in that episode as well with her crying and falling into Kaz's arms. The bond between them is strong, especially at the end where Kaz reassures Eriko that he'll be there for her. If anyone got shafted it was Mitsuki.....

Megumi got her guy in Akira, Kouichi and Mao hooked up finally, Eriko and Kaz of course, Asuka went to do her own thing, Kai is going to go tour, Yuumi is leaving for a new school with "courage" that she got from dating Kouichi, but Mitsuki is pretty much left with no one. You do have to feel bad for Yuumi though, don't get me wrong. I think shes like Kai was/is to Mao, a very good friend that you can go to when shit hits the fan and will give you straight talk. Of course now Kouichi and Mao fulfill that need with each other and I can only imagine them on a date together or even later that night since you know after all of that they simply didn't say "see you tomorrow" heh...

If theres one thing about the series it was pacing. If they paced it right they could of fit a mini epilogue into the ending there with Kouichi and Mao happening kind of mid episode then ending again with them together like they did but a little in the future. I can't and really don't want to see a sequel, theres not a lot they can do now especially with Kouichi and Mao and Kaz and Eriko, it would have to be their kids or something heh or something like Shuffle Memories...

Besides the poor DVD sales I can't see them creating drama to the sake of drama. This is why I'm glad that the DVD only episode is focused around Akira and Megumi, the last thing you needed was an episode to basically render the series moot.

pianocello

05-08-2008, 12:54 AM

Lego

05-08-2008, 12:58 AM

Just finished this, and while I marginally thought it above average, I thought it could have been better. They should have cut this to 12 episodes.
Mao Mizusawa- I liked her until she annoyingly went emo.
Asuka Sakino - Spent too much time doing nothing.
Megumi Shijo, Tomoko Kawada and Mitsuki Kuryu - did too little in the series. And what happened to the plot point of Akira Hiiragi having someone else?
Nana and Narumi - should have had a canon yuri relationship.
Kazuki Aihara - His blockheadedness really annoyed me.
Eriko Futami - spent too much time in ice queen b*tch mode.

These things really pulled down what could have been an excellent show.

After 24 episodes and six months what really made it worthwhile was that Kouichi and Mao moment at the end. Finally both realized their feelings for each other, a joint I love you, two kisses, and a happily ever after. Besides the Megumi only OVA episode I've really closed the book on the series unless Bandai Visual brings it over.

Westlo

05-08-2008, 01:05 AM

And what happened to the plot point of Akira Hiiragi having someone else?

He was bullshitting.

Suwako Moriya

09-11-2008, 01:07 AM

Yeah so I'm reviving a dead thread for the sake of a bonus episode go figure on that one. I have no idea why decided to watch this. Call it curiosity more than anything else or maybe a case of boredom. In any case the episode mainly seems to take place at some random point in the series. Certain scenes make it blatant it takes place long before the final episode. Although I can't really place exactly where to be honest. I'm sure someone else can better than I could.

The main focus of the first half of the episode seems to be Megumi, who of course deals with various character she interacts with talking about romance in one form or another. During the second half she seems to be thinking more and more about the romance thing. Which includes her thinking about a few of the guys. Eventually things go the way one would expect.

On the positive side the episode as a whole was pretty good. Megumi was just wonderful in this episode. On the negative side it's depressing because now I'm reminded of certain story elements and the fact her role was lacking compared to certain characters. Some that didn't deserve as much screen as they got. Still I guess that's probably why the episode was made. As sort of an apology to anyone who may have wanted more Megumi focus.

Lego

09-11-2008, 06:10 AM

Draneor

09-11-2008, 06:14 AM