Dirty Pair TV - Series Discussion thread.

[Nagato-san]

Official Site (http://www.sunrise-inc.co.jp/dirtypair/)
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[Nagato-san]

It was a pretty good first episode. Kei and Yuri wake up to find that the super-computer that runs the city they are staying in has rebelled. This leads to the Dirty Pair comically trying to get themselves out of the chaos the computer has created. After getting Mugi to send them their ship, they wind up destroying the computer. This is, of course, after the city has been completely devastated by the computer.

Very enjoyable, and I look forward to the next episode.

[The Great Bear]

It was a pretty good first episode. Kei and Yuri wake up to find that the super-computer that runs the city they are staying in has rebelled. This leads to the Dirty Pair comically trying to get themselves out of the chaos the computer has created. After getting Mugi to send them their ship, they wind up destroying the computer. This is, of course, after the city has been completely devastated by the computer.

Very enjoyable, and I look forward to the next episode.

I haven't seen Dirty Pair in years, but from reading the description, I can see in my head exactly how it played out.

[Njr Scrawl]

It was a pretty good first episode. Kei and Yuri wake up to find that the super-computer that runs the city they are staying in has rebelled. This leads to the Dirty Pair comically trying to get themselves out of the chaos the computer has created. After getting Mugi to send them their ship, they wind up destroying the computer. This is, of course, after the city has been completely devastated by the computer.

Very enjoyable, and I look forward to the next episode.

Now you know why the tower (seen in ADV's OVAs) got to be leaning. DP TV is a great series, with lighter, darker & lots more devastation episodes.

I love the op (& its animation) & ed (especially) sung by Meiko Nakahara who also sang "Actress in the Mirror" ed for Kimagure Orange Road.

[djanss]

I assume we're talking about the f<blbbl>s that turned up on B<bllbbblbl>ent this week...
Everything after TV (Season 2 OAV's, Project Eden) is still out on "Original" ADV, for those sentimental, although there were some great moments in the first season:

The first "apartment computer" episode was always kind of a slow moving start to the series, IMO, but I'm still holding out for "Pursuit Has the Scent of Cheesecake and Death", Exhibit B that somebody in Japan has been watching the Blues Brothers. :-D

(And as we were discussing on Usenet, back when fansubs were gold and you had to get 80% of your club anime raw, Kei & Yuri made more new converts to anime than Akira and Robotech combined...
Lum, A-ko, and the Angels were our first US anime superstars.)

[mcarocks2003]

I really like the first episode of Dirty Pair TV, it has a great cyberpunk feel to it.

The series has great character development and if I remember correctly, episode 2 resumes at the same place episode 1 ended.

[TalonG4]

Watched this today, hope to see more as it was pretty awesome. Dirty Pair is one of the main influences in getting me into anime. Two butt-kicking and attractive female leads when such a thing was unheard of in american cartoons. (and movies for that matter)
This episode was better than any of the OAV episodes I remember except Affair on Nolandia and Flight 005 Conspiracy. Maybe I just missed them.:sdsmiley:

I'll also take this moment to re-affirm my love for Kei :beatingheart:, who may be the hottest female in any anime EVAH! (Even with the retro 80's look, Especially with the retro 80's look actually.)

Also, I noticed that there really is a lot of crap to look at in the backgrounds of this episode.

[Isuzu Inugami]

I'll also take this moment to re-affirm my love for Kei :beatingheart:, who may be the hottest female in any anime EVAH! (Even with the retro 80's look, Especially with the retro 80's look actually.)

Anime big hair for the win! For the longest time I bounced between Yuri and Kei, but I've finally come round to the Kei camp.


Also, I noticed that there really is a lot of crap to look at in the backgrounds of this episode.

Bored/whimsical animators--a much-missed aspect of cel-based animation. Actually I like the whole SF-nal visual style of the Dirty Pair anime (although it can be found in plenty of 80s and early 90s anime.)

[Nozmo]

I love the op (& its animation) & ed (especially) sung by Meiko Nakahara who also sang "Actress in the Mirror" ed for Kimagure Orange Road.

Nakahara-san had quite a career during the '80s and a bit into the '90s. In searching the 'Net and the Yahoo!Japan auctions, I found that she had released quite a few albums (pretty much all in the days of vinyl, though some of it made it to CDs), along with writing some original material. The DP TV OP and ED, though, are probably her best-known original songs; one or the other of them continue to be included in anison <anime song> compilations after more than twenty years.

I often wonder how fans of the print novels reacted when they saw this episode. Now that we have some full-book translations, it's possible to see just how much divergence there is between Takachiho-sensei's original conception and this series. (The stories in the first book appeared in SF Magajin during 1979 and the second full novel was running there when the anime debuted.) Almost everything you see in this episode (and most of the series) was invented by the Sunrise team -- the print stories say nothing about the Angels' domestic life. (This is also why the OP titles seem a bit scattered: unlike a lot of anime which have a manga source to draw on, there aren't really a lot of things to refer to in this sequence. Instead, the animators try to capture something of the helter-skelter bustle and chaos of the stories, as they also do in this first episode.) Elenore City, Damocles Tower, Nammo, and a good deal else comes from here (and a lot of it disappears again in later "Classic DP" outings). And there are significant differences in the way K & Y's personalities are portrayed from those in the books. I sometimes feel that this show is best referred to as Dokite Tsukasa's Dirty Pair.

Not that I object to this at all. I've long found it fascinating how malleable the basic "DP Concept" (as T-sensei calls it) manages to be and the extent to which every version has been able to find a loyal international fan following over what is approaching thirty years. (What percentage of Japanese popular culture from back then is still holding an active interest? Fans still cosplay the Classic Angels around the world today!) But the gulf between this version and the print novels (to the annoyance of many, as I've noticed on this board) is nearly as large as that between either of those variations and the comics or DPF...

One thing that will add to your amusement is to look into some of the films (not all of them science-fictional) from the '70s and early '80s, as this series makes references to many of them. Dokite was/is a HUGE Star Trek fan ('60s series -- ST:TNG only began airing around the same time) and also plainly loves Hollywood movies (likely some of the other writers and animators did also). As you might imagine, there are many little takes on things from the "disaster movies" of the '70s in this ep.

Some of the animation in the first few episodes is at times a bit weak, even by the standards of the period generally and of Sunrise's other work. Although planning for this series began in the summer of 1984 (the character designs were finalized that July), many things about the early episodes feel somewhat rushed and rough; you'll find little bits in ep 1 where you'll say "What was that?" and have to back up to look again (much easier to do with DVDs then when we could only do that with tape...). And the first half of the episodes contain a higher proportion of weak stories than does the second half; the show really does keep getting better (as a general trend) as it goes along.

[Isuzu Inugami]

Fans still cosplay the Classic Angels around the world today!)

I can attest that Kei and Yuri showed up at Worldcon 2007 in Yokohama. I missed Yuri (but she showed up in Locus magazine's convention pictures) but ran into Kei and asked, in my broken Japanese, if I could take her picture. She posed, and I said "Dirty Pair ga suki," to which she responded "Hai, dai suki!" but then caught herself and corrected me-- "Matte! Lovely Angels da!" :bigsmile:

[Njr Scrawl]

Kei grew on me more, as I have watched through the series. She really cares for Yuri a lot. Almost more, & more protectively than Yuri cares for her. Affair on Nolandia has a good example when she thinks Yuri has been killed.

AFA animation reflecting the novels, the Streamline dubs may be closer than any others, including the Japanese. Both girls are acted as harder characters.

Yuri in Japanese is my favourite character by Saeko Shimazu. Better than Four Murasume, Shinobou in UY or her character in Creamy Mami. I might make an excption for Bagi however. :)

AFA the TV animation, I prefer the cuter character designs to the girls' slightly older look in the OVAs.

[Nozmo]

Fans still cosplay the Classic Angels around the world today!)

I can attest that Kei and Yuri showed up at Worldcon 2007 in Yokohama. ...

If you do some image-searching, you can find quite a few DP cosplay pix out there; the Classic Pair is the number #1 favorite everywhere. There appear to be even nowadays at least two or more new pairs of cosplayers in Japan and about two new pairs in the U.S. every year. (You can find quite a few photos of the Pair at SakuraCon 2007 and around the town and a distinct Pair have made their appearance this past May, as well as a couple of teams that have been continuing for the last couple years...)

[Nozmo]

Kei grew on me more, as I have watched through the series. She really cares for Yuri a lot. Almost more, & more protectively than Yuri cares for her.

Wait 'til you get to the end of ep 26 -- one of the two times you ever see Kei shed tears...

You find that Yuri is pretty reticent about a lot of her feelings, though. She may also feel relatively unable to protect Kei; of course, Kei has such weird luck, she hardly seems to need looking after...

Yuri in Japanese is my favourite character by Saeko Shimazu.

Apparently, her favorite as well: it's not for nothing that her Website is called "Angel Voice".


AFA the TV animation, I prefer the cuter character designs to the girls' slightly older look in the OVAs.

Some of that is probably owed to attempting to widen their appeal on (prime-time) broadcast TV; some of it also may come from Dokite having worked on Lum earlier in his career...

[djanss]

Kei grew on me more, as I have watched through the series. She really cares for Yuri a lot. Almost more, & more protectively than Yuri cares for her. Affair on Nolandia has a good example when she thinks Yuri has been killed.

Kei's also better with kids, as we see in the "Sleeping Beauty" OAV episode. :)

Yuri in Japanese is my favourite character by Saeko Shimazu. Better than Four Murasume, Shinobou in UY or her character in Creamy Mami. I might make an excption for Bagi however. :)

(And what about Kodachi the Black Rose??)

[Nozmo]

Kei's also better with kids, as we see in the "Sleeping Beauty" OAV episode. :)

Well, you'll see later in this series whether you should believe that. It's clear that she's more willing to play with the (other) kids -- and concerned about protecting them, of course -- but I don't think you'll find much evidence that she wants the full-time "job" of raising them. (Domesticity doesn't seem to appeal to her much...)

[Njr Scrawl]

One of the things I remember, & am re-discovering, is how I enjoyed the backchat & fun-bitching between the 2 girls. Not so much in the OVAs & specials. In some ways DP was ahead of its time...

[AstroNerdBoy]

It was a pretty good first episode. Kei and Yuri wake up to find that the super-computer that runs the city they are staying in has rebelled. This leads to the Dirty Pair comically trying to get themselves out of the chaos the computer has created. After getting Mugi to send them their ship, they wind up destroying the computer. This is, of course, after the city has been completely devastated by the computer.

Very enjoyable, and I look forward to the next episode.

I've got a screen capture of Kei and Yuri from episode 1 here (http://astronerdboy.blogspot.com/2008/01/dirty-pair-01.html) with a smug look that just makes me chuckle every time I see it (the 2nd image in the article).

At some point, I hope to see the entire TV series. I actually saw it in Japan many, many moons ago (being introduced to the series via the OVA's from my friend and roommate Robert) but I had no clue what was being said. I've re-watched (and blogged) about the first seven episodes and hope to see the rest at some point. It is a shame that this was never licensed, but I do have the OVA DVD's from ADV.

[Nozmo]

I've got a screen capture of Kei and Yuri from episode 1 here (http://astronerdboy.blogspot.com/2008/01/dirty-pair-01.html) with a smug look that just makes me chuckle every time I see it (the 2nd image in the article).

I believe that it just before they introduce themselves to the panicking crowd (a variation of "We're from the government, and we're here to help..."), setting up the first of many "Lovely Angels? Never heard of 'em. Oh, you mean the --" gags that run through the series.

I've re-watched (and blogged) about the first seven episodes and hope to see the rest at some point.

...and thank you for performing the service of writing about the episodes. I hope it will interest more people in viewing them on the VAP DVDs or online.


It is a shame that this was never licensed...

And I fear we won't get it either (at least if a dub is insisted on). At least there's a fansub online. (My antique machine can't handle that. I'm curious to know who's doing/done the translations. The Exner translations for the Fuzzy Productions tapes are pretty good, though there are certain errors -- like all interstellar distances are consistently off by a factor of 1000 -- and some interpolated lines where I suspect they couldn't make out the dialogue...)

[djanss]

I've got a screen capture of Kei and Yuri from episode 1 here (http://astronerdboy.blogspot.com/2008/01/dirty-pair-01.html) with a smug look that just makes me chuckle every time I see it (the 2nd image in the article).

On one of the other boards, there was a brief fling with those websites that turn any image into an Inspirational Motivation Poster, and a thread to see who could match the most "suitable" characters to a particular virtue--
In the Angels' case, there was one perfect match (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26552355@N00/843139694/), IMO. :bigsmile:

[AstroNerdBoy]

I've re-watched (and blogged) about the first seven episodes and hope to see the rest at some point. ...and thank you for performing the service of writing about the episodes. I hope it will interest more people in viewing them on the VAP DVDs or online.

You're welcome. If what I write is helpful to anyone, then I have succeeded. I'm partial to Dirty Pair because they were part of the early seeds planted in 1989 which lead me to become an anime fan in 2002.


It is a shame that this was never licensed... And I fear we won't get it either (at least if a dub is insisted on). At least there's a fansub online. (My antique machine can't handle that. I'm curious to know who's doing/done the translations. The Exner translations for the Fuzzy Productions tapes are pretty good, though there are certain errors -- like all interstellar distances are consistently off by a factor of 1000 -- and some interpolated lines where I suspect they couldn't make out the dialogue...)

I think the unofficial translations were done years ago, but I don't know by whom.

I've got a screen capture of Kei and Yuri from episode 1 here (http://astronerdboy.blogspot.com/2008/01/dirty-pair-01.html) with a smug look that just makes me chuckle every time I see it (the 2nd image in the article).

On one of the other boards, there was a brief fling with those websites that turn any image into an Inspirational Motivation Poster, and a thread to see who could match the most "suitable" characters to a particular virtue--
In the Angels' case, there was one perfect match (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26552355@N00/843139694/), IMO. :bigsmile:

*LOL* Oh yeah. That's perfect for sure. :cool:

[Njr Scrawl]

One thing, (of many) Yuri beats Kei for, is fashion sense. Yuri dresses like a sexy young adult woman. Kei dresses like...a cosplayer!

Yuri's geekiness with electronics & mechanics has the "Miyuki appeal" factor for me, so while I'm fond of Kei, I'm nuts (& bolts) about Yuri. Did I mention Saeko Shimazu's best character is Yuri?

[djanss]

One thing, (of many) Yuri beats Kei for, is fashion sense. Yuri dresses like a sexy young adult woman. Kei dresses like...a cosplayer!

Meanwhile, there have been attempts to update the Angels' fashion, including the radio-drama company's novel-based image (http://www.sunrise-inc.co.jp/dirtypair/img/radio-mv.jpg)...

[TalonG4]

One thing, (of many) Yuri beats Kei for, is fashion sense. Yuri dresses like a sexy young adult woman. Kei dresses like...a cosplayer!

Meanwhile, there have been attempts to update the Angels' fashion, including the radio-drama company's novel-based image (http://www.sunrise-inc.co.jp/dirtypair/img/radio-mv.jpg)...

Ugh...:depressed:

[Njr Scrawl]

One thing, (of many) Yuri beats Kei for, is fashion sense. Yuri dresses like a sexy young adult woman. Kei dresses like...a cosplayer!

Meanwhile, there have been attempts to update the Angels' fashion, including the radio-drama company's novel-based image (http://www.sunrise-inc.co.jp/dirtypair/img/radio-mv.jpg)...

:puke:

[Nozmo]

Meanwhile, there have been attempts to update the Angels' fashion, including the radio-drama company's novel-based image (http://www.sunrise-inc.co.jp/dirtypair/img/radio-mv.jpg)...

Just as a point of clarification, that's not exactly an update. There were two radio drama series presented on FMOsaka, both of which are alternative uses of the "DP Concept". The one that image goes with is from 2006, which was set in the mid-to-late 20th Century, with the Angels assisting the FBI in a case in the United States. The trajectory of the series is a "road trip" along the old Route 66, traveling from Chicago to LA.

Takachiho had little involvement with this first series, other than participating in the audition for the seiyuu. He did write the script for the second series, aired in the last quarter of 2007, which takes place in an entirely different setting...

[zrdb]

Well-as a Dirty Pair afficinado when it comes to fashion sense-well-Kei is Kei and Yuri is Yuri. And do I like the Dirty Pair? Well-look at my avatar........!

[Nozmo]

One thing, (of many) Yuri beats Kei for, is fashion sense. Yuri dresses like a sexy young adult woman. Kei dresses like...a cosplayer!

You'll certainly find in the series that she has her own sense of style. Generally, she chooses clothes more for functionality than just appearances. (You'll also find that she's the butt of a fair amount of this sort of humor...)


Yuri's geekiness with electronics & mechanics has the "Miyuki appeal" factor for me...

There is a split in how they deal with technology. Yuri is more involved with things like computer systems, while Kei tends to work more with hardware, like weapons, ships' propulsion, and so forth. (Whatever neither of them wants to deal with gets left to Mughi; Nammo handles the stuff where being a robot helps.)

[zrdb]

Well-to put it bluntly-Kei (both Classic & Flash) is known to be butch when it comes to choice of wardrobe-although she can be drop dead gorgeous when the mood strikes her. Yuri on the other hand being much more feminine or "girlie" dresses accordingly.

[Nozmo]

Well-to put it bluntly-Kei (both Classic & Flash) is known to be butch when it comes to choice of wardrobe...

In fact, in the TV series, she is at times in masculine clothing (the only Classic outing where this occurs); there are one or two occasions where she is fully in disguise as a young man.


-although she can be drop dead gorgeous when the mood strikes her.

There's no question that she knows how to "play the role" when she chooses to. Yuri is certainly more concerned about being perceived as feminine than Kei is, but you find that she does a certain amount of role-playing herself (especially where it can be of use to the mission or to herself personally). She enjoy the excitement of her work, but still likes to be regarded as "a lady", something Kei seems indifferent about.

[zrdb]

It's always nice to talk to a fellow DP afficianiado-I think we've crossed paths a few times on Wim's now defunct DP forum-checked my yahoo archives and we did indeed trade a few emails-and the new one is just a bunch of viagria and sex spam crap. I'm looking at getting the Dirty Pair no Daiseiko R2 boxset (for $275-yipes!!)-I belive it has everything DP (Flash and Originial) in it excluding the 3 originial ovas, ie-Affair on Norlandia, etc.-not eps. 25 & 26 from the tv series. I already have all but discs 1,2 and 3 of the originial DP tv series. For myself I've always prefered Kei over Yuri-Yuri (especially Flash Yuri) is such a whiner. Kei grumbles a lot and is hot tempered (that's putting it mildly)-but I like redheads (with the exception of my "shudder" sister).

[AstroNerdBoy]

I don't like Dirty Pair Flash at all and Yuri there makes it worse. I like Yuri in Dirty Pair though. I like how she and Kei are partners and friends. I really do hope to get to re-watch more of the TV series.

[zrdb]

I like both Classic and Flash varients equally.

[Nozmo]

It's always nice to talk to a fellow DP afficianiado-I think we've crossed paths a few times on Wim's now defunct DP forum-

I recognize your handle (and a few others here) from there or the Yahoo!Group or rec.arts.anime . We're not numerous, but we get around...


...and the new one is just a bunch of viagria and sex spam crap.

Alas, just about any forum or message board without active supervision gets overrun with such. The critters carrying those messages around are all through the plumbing...


I'm looking at getting the Dirty Pair no Daiseiko R2 boxset (for $275-yipes!!)-I belive it has everything DP (Flash and Originial) in it excluding the 3 originial ovas, ie-Affair on Norlandia, etc.-not eps. 25 & 26 from the tv series.

I haven't checked it lately: is it really still that high? OTOH, that's not a bad price for 10 R2 DVDs. (The 1994 LD set was around $600 when it came out and for some time afterwards. Now people are unloading 'em for under $100...) The three "movies", for reasons someone explained to me once, were handled by Bandai from the beginning, so the slipcased set of three DVDs, with "Nolandia", "EDEN", and "Flight 005", was released separately by them (EDEN back in 2000 and the other two -- on DVD for the first time in Japan! -- in 2006, alongside the VAP set). "TV episodes 25 & 26" are in the VAP DVD set. (Oh yeah, the VAP set booklet also has a short story written for it especially by Takachiho.)

[ZenAmako]

It's always nice to talk to a fellow DP afficianiado-I think we've crossed paths a few times on Wim's now defunct DP forum-checked my yahoo archives and we did indeed trade a few emails-and the new one is just a bunch of viagria and sex spam crap. I'm looking at getting the Dirty Pair no Daiseiko R2 boxset (for $275-yipes!!)-I belive it has everything DP (Flash and Originial) in it excluding the 3 originial ovas, ie-Affair on Norlandia, etc.-not eps. 25 & 26 from the tv series. I already have all but discs 1,2 and 3 of the originial DP tv series. For myself I've always prefered Kei over Yuri-Yuri (especially Flash Yuri) is such a whiner. Kei grumbles a lot and is hot tempered (that's putting it mildly)-but I like redheads (with the exception of my "shudder" sister).

The Dirty Pair R2 box set seems to be out of print. It's gone from CD Japan and Amazon. There are some sellers on Amazon Japan that might have it, but I'm not sure if they ship internationally (the one that states that they ship internationally wants over $400). :(

[Isuzu Inugami]

And do I like the Dirty Pair? Well-look at my avatar........!

I like that avatar, but do you have a larger version? It's been vexing me that I can't make out whatever Kei is writing.... :noodle:

[Nozmo]

And do I like the Dirty Pair? Well-look at my avatar........!

I like that avatar, but do you have a larger version? It's been vexing me that I can't make out whatever Kei is writing.... :noodle:

Here's the page from Dokite Tsukasa's website [ http://www001.upp.so-net.ne.jp/jipang/kei/color/index.html ] where you can find the images. Kei isn't writing anything -- she's playing one of those videogames with the horizontal screen.

[TalonG4]

And do I like the Dirty Pair? Well-look at my avatar........!

I like that avatar, but do you have a larger version? It's been vexing me that I can't make out whatever Kei is writing.... :noodle:

Here's the page from Dokite Tsukasa's website [ http://www001.upp.so-net.ne.jp/jipang/kei/color/index.html ] where you can find the images. Kei isn't writing anything -- she's playing one of those videogames with the horizontal screen.

Ha! That's awesome. When I first saw it, I thought she was playing a table-top Pac-Man. It would just fit in a 80's sort of way. Guess I was right.

[zrdb]

It's always nice to talk to a fellow DP afficianiado-I think we've crossed paths a few times on Wim's now defunct DP forum-checked my yahoo archives and we did indeed trade a few emails-and the new one is just a bunch of viagria and sex spam crap. I'm looking at getting the Dirty Pair no Daiseiko R2 boxset (for $275-yipes!!)-I belive it has everything DP (Flash and Originial) in it excluding the 3 originial ovas, ie-Affair on Norlandia, etc.-not eps. 25 & 26 from the tv series. I already have all but discs 1,2 and 3 of the originial DP tv series. For myself I've always prefered Kei over Yuri-Yuri (especially Flash Yuri) is such a whiner. Kei grumbles a lot and is hot tempered (that's putting it mildly)-but I like redheads (with the exception of my "shudder" sister).

The Dirty Pair R2 box set seems to be out of print. It's gone from CD Japan and Amazon. There are some sellers on Amazon Japan that might have it, but I'm not sure if they ship internationally (the one that states that they ship internationally wants over $400). :(

I found a place that has it for $275-guess I better jump in it.

[Jimmie M]

This was fun to watch-Hopefully the next episode will come soon for more Kei & Yuri goodness.

[zrdb]

For an older series (read classic) it's very fun.

[TornadoTatsumaki]

It was a pretty good first episode. Kei and Yuri wake up to find that the super-computer that runs the city they are staying in has rebelled. This leads to the Dirty Pair comically trying to get themselves out of the chaos the computer has created. After getting Mugi to send them their ship, they wind up destroying the computer. This is, of course, after the city has been completely devastated by the computer.

Very enjoyable, and I look forward to the next episode.Dirty Pair ran on Nippon TV on saturday morinings from July 13,1985 to December 14,1985, only 24 episodes were aired due to the fact that the series did not catch on very well despite the fact Affair on Nolandia VHS had sold well. The series followed up with a theatrical film "Project Eden" released on November 28,1986. But the film was only a moderate success and only spent a brief run in theaters. But in early 1987 fate gave the series another chance. Sunrise Bandai and VAP video released an OVA series consiting of several later episodes, this time the OAV preformed much better and sold strongly, in March 1987 PE was released on video. It clocked in 500,000 units it's first month. Soon after the final two episodes were released on VHS on a video called "From the Angels with Love".

Streamline got the license in 1988 and released several lame english dubs for the series, Bandai did not give them the rights to release all episodes on video and has yet to give the rights to ADV, Funimation or anyone for that matter to release the complete box set in the U.S.

I love the DP series. I never brought the Flash spinoff series(which BTW is more yuri and full of lesbian undertones.) ADV's nine year license just expired and there's word that Funimation will get the license( I hope to God they get the rights to release all 26 episodes in a box set.) The original theme is a high powered,rockin' 80s metal athem. Though I wish that VAP could have used it in thier OAVs.

I have one simple question regaurding this thread. Are there any fan subs of the DP series or at least any online RAW videos?

[Njr Scrawl]

I'm so glad I got both compact sets when they were first released. The Specials set (that excludes Project Eden movie) is worth it. ADV's Nolandia was bad, especially slow motion where each frame overlapped, though ADV's Project Eden was good (enough for me).

I also love my DP LD set, the only LDs where each episodes has its own op & ed. Sheer class http://www.elenorecity.com/tvland6.html

[zrdb]

It was a pretty good first episode. Kei and Yuri wake up to find that the super-computer that runs the city they are staying in has rebelled. This leads to the Dirty Pair comically trying to get themselves out of the chaos the computer has created. After getting Mugi to send them their ship, they wind up destroying the computer. This is, of course, after the city has been completely devastated by the computer.

Very enjoyable, and I look forward to the next episode.Dirty Pair ran on Nippon TV on saturday morinings from July 13,1985 to December 14,1985, only 24 episodes were aired due to the fact that the series did not catch on very well despite the fact Affair on Nolandia VHS had sold well. The series followed up with a theatrical film "Project Eden" released on November 28,1986. But the film was only a moderate success and only spent a brief run in theaters. But in early 1987 fate gave the series another chance. Sunrise Bandai and VAP video released an OVA series consiting of several later episodes, this time the OAV preformed much better and sold strongly, in March 1987 PE was released on video. It clocked in 500,000 units it's first month. Soon after the final two episodes were released on VHS on a video called "From the Angels with Love".

Streamline got the license in 1988 and released several lame english dubs for the series, Bandai did not give them the rights to release all episodes on video and has yet to give the rights to ADV, Funimation or anyone for that matter to release the complete box set in the U.S.

I love the DP series. I never brought the Flash spinoff series(which BTW is more yuri and full of lesbian undertones.) ADV's nine year license just expired and there's word that Funimation will get the license( I hope to God they get the rights to release all 26 episodes in a box set.) The original theme is a high powered,rockin' 80s metal athem. Though I wish that VAP could have used it in thier OAVs.

I have one simple question regaurding this thread. Are there any fan subs of the DP series or at least any online RAW videos?

In answer to your question-there were (haven't seen them in a long time)some very poor quality vhs fan sub rips floating around the internet a few years ago-but it gets much much better-I made my own subbed DP tv series (all 26 episodes) from R2 dvds that I purchased a few years ago-to the tune of about $350-I used subtitle scripts that I was able to find on the internet and for the 6 episodes that were unavaliable I enlisted the help of a japanese speaking friend who was able to give me rough translations which I converted into timed subs-this was a work of love for me dedicated to the girls who got me into anime 16 years ago-Kei and Yuri. I gotta say these are the best looking DP tv fansubs out there-the subs are pretty damn good too. I haven't converted them into h.264 video, originial ac3 audio mkvs for uploading yet-all I need is a little encouragement.......!! As for Funi getting DP and doing the tv series-DON'T BET ON IT-ADV had the tv series for 6 years and sat on it-it's a very small niche that would be interested in it-no or little profit potential.

[zrdb]

It was a pretty good first episode. Kei and Yuri wake up to find that the super-computer that runs the city they are staying in has rebelled. This leads to the Dirty Pair comically trying to get themselves out of the chaos the computer has created. After getting Mugi to send them their ship, they wind up destroying the computer. This is, of course, after the city has been completely devastated by the computer.

Very enjoyable, and I look forward to the next episode.Dirty Pair ran on Nippon TV on saturday morinings from July 13,1985 to December 14,1985, only 24 episodes were aired due to the fact that the series did not catch on very well despite the fact Affair on Nolandia VHS had sold well. The series followed up with a theatrical film "Project Eden" released on November 28,1986. But the film was only a moderate success and only spent a brief run in theaters. But in early 1987 fate gave the series another chance. Sunrise Bandai and VAP video released an OVA series consiting of several later episodes, this time the OAV preformed much better and sold strongly, in March 1987 PE was released on video. It clocked in 500,000 units it's first month. Soon after the final two episodes were released on VHS on a video called "From the Angels with Love".

Streamline got the license in 1988 and released several lame english dubs for the series, Bandai did not give them the rights to release all episodes on video and has yet to give the rights to ADV, Funimation or anyone for that matter to release the complete box set in the U.S.

I love the DP series. I never brought the Flash spinoff series(which BTW is more yuri and full of lesbian undertones.) ADV's nine year license just expired and there's word that Funimation will get the license( I hope to God they get the rights to release all 26 episodes in a box set.) The original theme is a high powered,rockin' 80s metal athem. Though I wish that VAP could have used it in thier OAVs.

I have one simple question regaurding this thread. Are there any fan subs of the DP series or at least any online RAW videos?

In answer to your question-there were (haven't seen them in a long time)some very poor quality vhs fan sub rips floating around the internet a few years ago-but it gets much much better-I made my own subbed DP tv series (all 26 episodes) from R2 dvds that I purchased a few years ago-to the tune of about $350-I used subtitle scripts that I was able to find on the internet and for the 6 episodes that were unavaliable I enlisted the help of a japanese speaking friend who was able to give me rough translations which I converted into timed subs-this was a work of love for me dedicated to the girls who got me into anime 16 years ago-Kei and Yuri. I gotta say these are the best looking DP tv fansubs out there-the subs are pretty damn good too. I haven't converted them into h.264 video, originial ac3 audio mkvs for uploading yet-all I need is a little encouragement.......!! As for Funi getting DP and doing the tv series-DON'T BET ON IT-ADV had the tv series for 6 years and sat on it-it's a very small niche that would be interested in it-little or no profit potential.

[Nozmo]

...only 24 episodes were aired due to the fact that the series did not catch on very well despite the fact Affair on Nolandia VHS had sold well.

The series didn't catch on very well, largely because DP is pretty much a "niche" fandom in Japan, as elsewhere. The series wasn't "cancelled", as is often repeated in various sources, so much as simply not renewed. There was also some weirdness with the production to start with. Although the character designs were approved in July of 1984, and a "press kit" was issued in February of 1985, the series opened too late in the year to run for 26 episodes. The "last two" episodes, in fact, weren't fully plotted until sometime into 1986; design materials were only approved that summer. (There are dated materials to confirm this.)


The series followed up with a theatrical film "Project Eden" released on November 28,1986.

What's your source on this? All of the publications and advertisements give the date of 14 March 1987.

in March 1987 PE was released on video. It clocked in 500,000 units it's first month. Soon after the final two episodes were released on VHS on a video called "From the Angels with Love".

The FLAWL video was released 1 January 1987, as a lead-in to "EDEN". Interestingly, some of the print novel publications ran in SF Magajin or were published in book form to coincide with some of the other DP project releases.


ADV's nine year license just expired and there's word that Funimation will get the license( I hope to God they get the rights to release all 26 episodes in a box set.)

If the same things happened to the "music and effects" tracks for those that happened with the ones for the OAVs, those episodes may not appear in English dubs... (It made no sense for ADV to have just sat on the license for those episodes, and it was eventually admitted that there was none for the TV series. It may well be that no agreement was reached because of technical issues.)


The original theme is a high powered,rockin' 80s metal athem.

What is your source for this? Do you have any information on who did it or what became of it?

[djanss]

The original theme is a high powered,rockin' 80s metal athem. Though I wish that VAP could have used it in thier OAVs.

Who-whaaa? The theme to WHAT? 0_o??
"Russian Roulette" ain't exactly what you'd call an "80's metal anthem" (by most stretches of the imagination, at least), and the OVA"s "By Yourself" won't be covered by Metallica any time soon.

ADV's nine year license just expired and there's word that Funimation will get the license( I hope to God they get the rights to release all 26 episodes in a box set.)

If the same things happened to the "music and effects" tracks for those that happened with the ones for the OAVs, those episodes may not appear in English dubs... (It made no sense for ADV to have just sat on the license for those episodes, and it was eventually admitted that there was none for the TV series. It may well be that no agreement was reached because of technical issues.)

At least, with Funi's rescoring of DBZ (and am I alone in actually preferring the Movies' artificial metal score to the "dramatic" music-free explosions/fighting in the originals?), we know that Funi doesn't let soundtrack issues be an obstacle when necessary--
Kodocha notwithstanding.

[Nozmo]

Dirty Pair ran on Nippon TV on saturday morinings from July 13,1985 to December 14,1985,


Oh, something else: the series ran Monday evenings on NTV (7:00 PM), so the debut date was 15 July (I have the issue of "TV Radar" from the August '85 issue of My Anime right here...). Another scheduling weirdness was that the last two episodes (#23 & #24) were run during Christmas week, possibly to make up for a missed week in September.

I've wondered if part of the production complication was due to Sunrise having a lot of irons in the fire that year, DP not being a high priority for them, and that the decision was made to produce "Nolandia" while work on the TV series was still going, leaving Dokite to supervise two separate units.

[Bumble]

If the same things happened to the "music and effects" tracks for those that happened with the ones for the OAVs, those episodes may not appear in English dubs... (It made no sense for ADV to have just sat on the license for those episodes, and it was eventually admitted that there was none for the TV series. It may well be that no agreement was reached because of technical issues.)

Strange, I thought DPTV was dubbed into both French and Italian - so at some point along the line, Sunrise simply lost track/junked the M&E tracks? Come to think of it, I recall ADV saying (clearly a few years ago! ;)) that there were no M&E tracks for City Hunter TV either - which was similarly dubbed into both French and Italian. Looks like someone at Sunrise might have made a short-sighted error of judgement!

In any case, count me in as yet someone else who also bought the R2s and subbed the lot of them myself. In my case, I simply used the old scripts from the VHS fansubs that also used to be up on Scriptclub (in retrospect, I was pretty lucky to save the DP scripts before the site owners shut the archive down). It's all eminently worth it; there's just something about fun bubble-era science-fiction anime, and particularly the Dirty Pair, that really appeals to me!

[TalonG4]

Streamline got the license in 1988 and released several lame english dubs for the series, Bandai did not give them the rights to release all episodes on video and has yet to give the rights to ADV, Funimation or anyone for that matter to release the complete box set in the U.S.

Lame? Come on! I love these dubs, so much so, I avoided the ADV re-release of these because they were re-dubbed, even though I could have had a superior DVD video over my outdated VHS.

Don't take my comments too seriously as I have fanboy love for the dub if only for nostalgia's sake. I thought Wendee Lee and Laura Cody nailed Yuri and Kei perfectly. Mind you, at the time, I had nothing to compare it to.

[TalonG4]

In answer to your question-there were (haven't seen them in a long time)some very poor quality vhs fan sub rips floating around the internet a few years ago-but it gets much much better-I made my own subbed DP tv series (all 26 episodes) from R2 dvds that I purchased a few years ago-to the tune of about $350-I used subtitle scripts that I was able to find on the internet and for the 6 episodes that were unavaliable I enlisted the help of a japanese speaking friend who was able to give me rough translations which I converted into timed subs-this was a work of love for me dedicated to the girls who got me into anime 16 years ago-Kei and Yuri. I gotta say these are the best looking DP tv fansubs out there-the subs are pretty damn good too. I haven't converted them into h.264 video, originial ac3 audio mkvs for uploading yet-all I need is a little encouragement.......!!

Pretty pleeaaase!!!:beatingheart::beatingheart:

(Is that good enough? :bigsmile:)

[Isuzu Inugami]

Streamline got the license in 1988 and released several lame english dubs for the series

I only ever caught the Project Eden Sreamline dub, but I recall thinkng it was rather good, actually. I don't usually care for dubs, though, so I could have a differing concept of "lame."

I love the DP series. I never brought the Flash spinoff series(which BTW is more yuri and full of lesbian undertones.)

Huh? I did buy Flash (and seem to be part of the minority that likes it), and can recall only two instances of lesbian innuendo, neither of which implied the Pair were actually lesbians.

ADV's nine year license just expired and there's word that Funimation will get the license( I hope to God they get the rights to release all 26 episodes in a box set.)

ADV never had the rights to the TV series, so those would have to be a completely fresh license, regardless of whatever might happen to ADV's licenses.

I have one simple question regaurding this thread. Are there any fan subs of the DP series or at least any online RAW videos?

Well, there's the one for episode one which sparked this thread....

[Nozmo]

Strange, I thought DPTV was dubbed into both French and Italian - so at some point along the line, Sunrise simply lost track/junked the M&E tracks?

You are correct, but both of those dubs were made late in the '80s. (So it was no problem for Dybex to release "Dan et Danny" around 2001 on DVDs...) It looks like the tracks must have been "lost", then, during the '90s. (My guess is the tapes were seriously misfiled or simply reused/recycled.)


In any case, count me in as yet someone else who also bought the R2s and subbed the lot of them myself. In my case, I simply used the old scripts from the VHS fansubs that also used to be up on Scriptclub (in retrospect, I was pretty lucky to save the DP scripts before the site owners shut the archive down).

I wrote to the guy who maintained the Script Crypt, who felt that since all the (other) titles he had were getting or had gotten licensed, there was no further need to keep the files. It seemed pretty unavailing to argue that DPTV had not been and probably wouldn't get released in translation any time soon...

[Rando]

Strange, I thought DPTV was dubbed into both French and Italian - so at some point along the line, Sunrise simply lost track/junked the M&E tracks? Come to think of it, I recall ADV saying (clearly a few years ago! ;)) that there were no M&E tracks for City Hunter TV either - which was similarly dubbed into both French and Italian. Looks like someone at Sunrise might have made a short-sighted error of judgement!

It could be the French/Italian dubbers created their own SFX/Music for the dubs. Majokko Tickle is another anime whose tracks were lost. Both the Italian and French dub of Tickle uses all new music and SFX.

On the subject of Dirty Pair, can anyone explain to me why Ataro and Lum's cameo in the last episode was changed in the DVD release?

Picture: http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y38/CutyFlash/VINTAGE%20ANIME/changed.jpg

This always bugged me, and makes me wonder if any other edits were done to Dirty Pair.

[Njr Scrawl]

DP was shown in Italy. In fact the OVAs, as they are called, are really extra TV episodes needed to increase the # to a contractable/saleable amount IIRC as 26 were not enough.

[zrdb]

Yup-the 10 Originial DP episodes that ADV dubbed were made specifically for the Italian market-the Italians wanted 10 more eposodes for a total of 36-damn-wish we had that kind of clout. I especially liked the French opening Dan et Dany for the Frenchies-very nice. I got most of my subs from Anna Pumas script site and the Script Crypt-both defunt. I have the 3 Streamline tapes and I definetly prefer that dub over ADV's-although Sue Ulu's take on Kei in Flash is great!!

[Nozmo]

... can anyone explain to me why Ataru and Lum's cameo in the last episode was changed in the DVD release?

Dokite shows this change on his site also. I presume there was some legal reason the replacement of those frames was made in the 2000-01 DVD set and subsequently. It does seem kind of strange, since animators often insert little references or tributes like this for various reasons. They were only there for a handful of frames, so it seems a bit severe.


This always bugged me, and makes me wonder if any other edits were done to Dirty Pair.

As far as I can tell so far, this was the only edit that was made. (That just makes it seem odder...)


It could be the French/Italian dubbers created their own SFX/Music for the dubs.

I couldn't say one way or the other, since I haven't seen much from the European dubs. But it is a considerable expense to re-create soundtracks for that many episodes (voice dubbing costs enough as it is). The series might not have aired over there, either, if the respective networks had to do all that (much as I suspect it has been an impedance to any North American company taking up the series). I also think it more likely that the tracks would have gotten lost, wiped, or discarded ten to fifteen years after they were made, than after only a few years...

[Nozmo]

Yup-the 10 Originial DP episodes that ADV dubbed were made specifically for the Italian market-the Italians wanted 10 more eposodes for a total of 36-damn-wish we had that kind of clout.

I'd never heard this before. If it is the case (the timing does make sense, since it ran in Italy in '89), it's a bit ironic, since the series got pulled off the air there, due to complaints of excessive violence.

The reason I don't quite believe this, though, is that every listing of the episodes given on Italian sites only lists 24 episodes, none from the OAVs... I'd be more inclined to believe that the (relative) success of "EDEN" made it seem reasonable to take up production of more stories for the then fairly new and rather active OAV market in Japan.

Does anyone have a translation of the texts from the various booklets in the LD set, the DVD set, the Complete Works art book, etc.?

[zrdb]

I got this little piece of trivia from a well respected anime history book-and considering the source I have every reason to belive it's validity-I could go on and on about the Dirty Pair-MY FAV RETRO ANIME SUBJECT. Ask me any question you have pertaining to the DP-chances are I can answer it or find the answer asap.

[Bumble]

I'd never heard this before. If it is the case (the timing does make sense, since it ran in Italy in '89), it's a bit ironic, since the series got pulled off the air there, due to complaints of excessive violence.

The reason I don't quite believe this, though, is that every listing of the episodes given on Italian sites only lists 24 episodes, none from the OAVs...

I have heard this before, yet I've also had strong doubts about its validity. I once showed an Italian friend a couple of episodes of the OVAs, and (bearing in mind they were an anime fan) they weren't familiar with the Dirty Pair being on Italian TV at all, so it was far less well-known than Lupin, Captain Harlock, City Hunter, et al. That, coupled with the fact that the series was supposed to have been pulled from broadcast due to perceived violence (although the Italians got a lot of classic 70s/80s anime, much of it was edited for TV), seriously makes me doubt the exact facts of the story.

[zrdb]

Well-belive it or not as you choose-I have every reason to.

[Nozmo]

I got this little piece of trivia from a well respected anime history book-

Which book is it? I have checked a number of histories, most of which had relatively little to say on DP. I've read all the translated interviews I could find so far, but have not yet had time to translate articles from the old magazines or the various disc-set booklets.

Ask me any question you have pertaining to the DP-chances are I can answer it or find the answer asap.

OK, maybe you can answer these, as I haven't found much (in English) about these matters:

If designs for the TV series were being approved as final in July of 1984, why was it a whole year later before the series finally appeared? Why did it start two weeks too late to have 26 weeks to run before the end of the calendar year? (The semester system was already pretty typical for shows by then.)

Why were two episodes not even fully plotted, much less produced, in time to run in December? If the production unit was already running behind, why was it decided to start up a parallel unit to produce "Nolandia" for December?

The ratings were evidently not high enough to interest NTV in extending the run. On what basis did Sunrise feel prompted then to produce a theatrical feature? Just how big is DP fandom in Japan, anyway? (It is certainly much smaller than, say, Gundam fandom, and smaller, at the time, even than Crusher Joe fandom...)

Whatever the motivation for producing the OAV series, what prompted Sunrise to produce "Flight 005" for release in 1990? Was it all that well received? (There was surprisingly little publicity for it at the time and rather little related merchandise was produced.)

For that matter, what led the various parties concerned to consider a "Shin DP" in 1993? (Takachiho had stated publicly in '92 that he was planning to cease any further work on CJ and DP, in order to pursue other story ideas.) Was there much or little interest on the part of veterans of the "Classic" projects? (Dokite had, along with other artists, submitted designs for the new show, but he in fact ended up with limited involvement in it. There is also a statement about that Tonguu was not in the country at the time [different versions say her husband was transferred overseas to the U.S. or Milan, Italy] -- she has since returned -- and that Shimazu wouldn't do the series without her.)

If you have tangible sources for any of this, I'd be interested in following up on them. I've been doing what research I could manage over the years, but details are sometimes lacking...

[Njr Scrawl]

Now that Dirty Pair TV has been licensed & fully released by our friends at Nozomi, it would be fun to have a discussion on this show again, right from episode 1, also running to the specials & movie ADV released. Any takers?

[Nagato-san]

Now that Dirty Pair TV has been licensed & fully released by our friends at Nozomi, it would be fun to have a discussion on this show again, right from episode 1, also running to the specials & movie ADV released. Any takers?

I had been meaning to revive this thread back in November when I got collection 1. I still have half of the post written up too. I'll try to go back through some of the episodes again and post my thoughts sometime this week.

[touma]

Now that Dirty Pair TV has been licensed & fully released by our friends at Nozomi, it would be fun to have a discussion on this show again, right from episode 1, also running to the specials & movie ADV released. Any takers?

I would be interested.
This is not a good time for me to start watching it. Due to prior commitments it will probably take me at least a week to get to it, but once I do get started I will probably be able to watch three or four episodes per day so it will not take me too long to get caught up.

[Garasharp K7]

It's kind of amusing to read some of the older comments here bemoaning the slim to nonexistent chance of an R1 release for the tv series - and yet now we've finally got the show thanks to Nozomi. I guess I can get to bemoaning the exorbitant prices I've seen the ADV releases going for on Amazon. No way I'm going to be able to pick 'em up now...

Now that Dirty Pair TV has been licensed & fully released by our friends at Nozomi, it would be fun to have a discussion on this show again, right from episode 1, also running to the specials & movie ADV released. Any takers?

I'd be up for this. Even though I've already got through disc one of the first set, I'd still want to chime in anyway. Probably get 'round to the show again if I can tear myself away from all those '70s and '80s robot shows I've got in the backlog...
I won't be able to comment on the OVAs and such as I don't have those. And I'm kicking myself after looking at those prices on Amazon too. :(

[russ869]

I'm in! Except, I kinda have to wait to get my TV boxsets back from a friend who's borrowing them. I should have them in about a week and will try to catch up.

[Jimmie M]

I'm about halfway through Dirty Pair TV now but count me in as well.

[Njr Scrawl]

Now that Dirty Pair TV has been licensed & fully released by our friends at Nozomi, it would be fun to have a discussion on this show again, right from episode 1, also running to the specials & movie ADV released. Any takers?

I had been meaning to revive this thread back in November when I got collection 1. I still have half of the post written up too. I'll try to go back through some of the episodes again and post my thoughts sometime this week.

Whenever you're ready....

I heard that Kei & Yuri appear briefly in Crusher Joe. Can anyone say if its the OVAs or movie, & whereabouts timewise?

[MitchH]

Now that Dirty Pair TV has been licensed & fully released by our friends at Nozomi, it would be fun to have a discussion on this show again, right from episode 1, also running to the specials & movie ADV released. Any takers?

I had been meaning to revive this thread back in November when I got collection 1. I still have half of the post written up too. I'll try to go back through some of the episodes again and post my thoughts sometime this week.

Whenever you're ready....

I heard that Kei & Yuri appear briefly in Crusher Joe. Can anyone say if its the OVAs or movie, & whereabouts timewise?

It's in the movie, and I can't remember how far in - somewhere before the halfway mark. It's actually a film playing on a drive-in screen during a chase scene, IIRC. They linger quite lovingly on a Yuri-and-Bloody-Card scene.

I used to have the Crusher Joe LD, but my LD player died last year & I gave a friend the few LDs I had sitting around... I think I may have an old VHS rip of that LD sitting around somewhere, dunno if my VHS player still works.

[russ869]

It's in the movie, and I can't remember how far in - somewhere before the halfway mark. It's actually a film playing on a drive-in screen during a chase scene, IIRC. They linger quite lovingly on a Yuri-and-Bloody-Card scene.
I think they're also in the movie's opening sequence for like 1-2 animation frames.

[Njr Scrawl]

I (& MitchH) need to find some AnimEigo DVDs of CJ then.... :)