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Sango
08-02-2008, 03:27 PM
Hi,
Just curious, what languages and or subtitles are available for the Japan release of the Cowboy Bebop movie? I have looked at several sites such as CdJapan but it does not not list them.
Thanks
hissatsu
08-02-2008, 03:35 PM
It doesn't list them because there are none. Well, there's Japanese in Dolby TrueHD and PCM. No subtitles.
Orihimes_Boyfriend
08-02-2008, 04:09 PM
Well i hope Columbia Pitures releases it on BD here.
Danime
08-02-2008, 05:09 PM
Well i hope Columbia Pitures releases it on BD here.
I hope Bandai Entertainment release it to go with the eventual release of the TV series on Blu-ray (if they got the right to the Blu-ray version or if they still have the license for the DVD rights). There's always a chance - Bandai just got the second GITS movie!
LOUiE
08-05-2008, 05:28 PM
I'd hope someone releases the movie and the tv series on BD here (as long as the tv series is not an upconvert).
ZenAmako
08-06-2008, 06:35 AM
The TV series shouldn't be an upconvert with the possible exception of the shots that contain CG.
LOUiE
08-06-2008, 11:28 AM
The TV series shouldn't be an upconvert with the possible exception of the shots that contain CG.
Which is a lot of the show.
Garma Zabi
08-06-2008, 07:25 PM
The TV series shouldn't be an upconvert with the possible exception of the shots that contain CG.
Which is a lot of the show.
Eh. Some episodes would fare better than others, but I think that just seeing the cel-animated scenes in HD alone would be a good reason for a release.
The Adventurer
08-06-2008, 08:30 PM
I'm not the most knowlegeable about these things, but what's with older CG requiring up-convert for HD? Cell can be true high-def, but CG can't? Can't they go back to the original digital masters and make a new HD print?
Legion
08-06-2008, 08:57 PM
I'm not the most knowlegeable about these things, but what's with older CG requiring up-convert for HD? Cell can be true high-def, but CG can't? Can't they go back to the original digital masters and make a new HD print?
I'll probably mess up this explaination, but basically the cell animation is shot on film and film has virtually limitless resolution, thus there is more detail that can be extracted so a true hi-def transfer is possible. The CG on the other hand was done on computers with software that is native standard-def so it can't be shown in hi-def. I dunno if it's possible to re-render the CG in HD or not.
Skywise
08-06-2008, 08:59 PM
The TV series shouldn't be an upconvert with the possible exception of the shots that contain CG.
Which is a lot of the show.
How is it a lot of the show? The CG stuff is mostly just the gate transitions I thought?
LOUiE
08-07-2008, 11:18 AM
The TV series shouldn't be an upconvert with the possible exception of the shots that contain CG.
Which is a lot of the show.
How is it a lot of the show? The CG stuff is mostly just the gate transitions I thought?
What I mean by it is that CG is in every episode. Granted it is mainly just gate transitions but it is there. There is also the episode that takes place mainly inside the gate, so that ep is shot.
Shall I do a little dance, while singing, "Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah"? I have a copy of the Bebop Movie in HD I taped on DVHS way back in 2002 when Starz-HD first ran it. :bigsmile:
It would be nice to have a copy on BD though, especially with the way tape degrades, and the unreliabilaties of the JVC DVHS deck I own.
LOUiE
08-07-2008, 01:48 PM
Shall I do a little dance, while singing, "Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah"? I have a copy of the Bebop Movie in HD I taped on DVHS way back in 2002 when Starz-HD first ran it. :bigsmile:
It would be nice to have a copy on BD though, especially with the way tape degrades, and the unreliabilaties of the JVC DVHS deck I own.
May I ask how much that all cost you between the tape and the set?
JeffDM
08-07-2008, 09:23 PM
The TV series shouldn't be an upconvert with the possible exception of the shots that contain CG.
Weren't several of the space ships in CG too?
The CG can be recomposited, assuming they're willing to fund a rebuild of all the CG. Whether they do it or not is an open question.
JeffDM
08-07-2008, 09:24 PM
Shall I do a little dance, while singing, "Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah"? I have a copy of the Bebop Movie in HD I taped on DVHS way back in 2002 when Starz-HD first ran it. :bigsmile:
It would be nice to have a copy on BD though, especially with the way tape degrades, and the unreliabilaties of the JVC DVHS deck I own.
May I ask how much that all cost you between the tape and the set?
A metric f-ton, just because an imperial f-ton just isn't expensive enough. I think the deck costed about $1000 US at that time, and an HD cable / subscription service was over $100/mo then. HDTVs costed a lot then too.
Sensuifu
08-07-2008, 09:37 PM
Shall I do a little dance, while singing, "Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah"? I have a copy of the Bebop Movie in HD I taped on DVHS way back in 2002 when Starz-HD first ran it. :bigsmile:
It would be nice to have a copy on BD though, especially with the way tape degrades, and the unreliabilaties of the JVC DVHS deck I own.
May I ask how much that all cost you between the tape and the set?
A metric f-ton, just because an imperial f-ton just isn't expensive enough. I think the deck costed about $1000 US at that time, and an HD cable / subscription service was over $100/mo then. HDTVs costed a lot then too.
:sdsmiley: yeah, and in 1080i to boot. Recordability purposes aside, it was a major flop for the home media market, regardless if it was aimed toward the niche/LD-esque segment. Sure it was transitional to HD-DVD/BD, but how long did it last? After about 100 or so releases, dodo it went.
Buster Darkwings
08-07-2008, 09:44 PM
I was still tempted to buy a deck last year after I got my projector just so I could have the privilege of paying whatever the going rate is for the Alien and Aliens D-Theater tapes. Decided against it, though.
I wonder why Fox hasn't released those to Blu-ray yet. Even if the master they used for D-Theater isn't that great, you would think they'd release it anyway so they can just double dip it sometime down the line. Maybe the directors didn't like that idea or something.
May I ask how much that all cost you between the tape and the set?Sorry to disappoint you guys, but the deck was only $299 (refurb) and I use HQ SVHS tapes instead of DVHS tapes, which keeps the prices down. Also, no, HDTV did not cost more then than it does now- in fact just the opposite. Maybe you can get more for your money now hardware-wise, but not from the cable company, that's for sure.:anger200:
Sensuifu
08-09-2008, 11:57 AM
May I ask how much that all cost you between the tape and the set?Sorry to disappoint you guys, but the deck was only $299 (refurb) and I use HQ SVHS tapes instead of DVHS tapes, which keeps the prices down. Also, no, HDTV did not cost more then than it does now- in fact just the opposite. Maybe you can get more for your money now hardware-wise, but not from the cable company, that's for sure.:anger200:
It was expensive when it was first available. btw, aren't you limited to the number of lines on SVHS?
It was expensive when it was first available. btw, aren't you limited to the number of lines on SVHS?Says who? It's all relative I suppose. I've had HDTV of some sort for over 10yrs now. I started off with a 30" widescreen CRT TV monitor with a seperate HD OTA tuner which all told cost me around $1000. Since I live in the Boston most of the main big networks were some sort of OTA HD even a decade ago. Then when Comcast came in with their HD service a few years later I picked them up. Now I have a 56" LCD RPTV.
As far as SVHS, you misunderstand. I'm using SVHS tapes, but recording digitally on them just as I would on a DVHS tape to save a few dollars. All you need do on a DVHS deck to record digitally on a non-DVHS tape is hit the DVHS button- that's it. Some brands of HQ SVHS tape work quite well as inexpensive digital tape.
Sensuifu
08-09-2008, 07:33 PM
Says who? It's all relative I suppose. I've had HDTV of some sort for over 10yrs now. I started off with a 30" widescreen CRT TV monitor with a seperate HD OTA tuner which all told cost me around $1000.
Anyone that had an OTA HD-tuner card and a PC at the time technically also had a HD setup, but I think $1000 10 years ago for that type of setup would be considered a bargain back then. HDTVs were still relatively expensive, so $1000 might have actually looked like a steal.
As far as SVHS, you misunderstand. I'm using SVHS tapes, but recording digitally on them just as I would on a DVHS tape to save a few dollars. All you need do on a DVHS deck to record digitally on a non-DVHS tape is hit the DVHS button- that's it. Some brands of HQ SVHS tape work quite well as inexpensive digital tape.
you're right, I was still thinking analog.
[quote=Wagg;1390989]Says who? It's all relative I suppose. I've had HDTV of some sort for over 10yrs now. I started off with a 30" widescreen CRT TV monitor with a seperate HD OTA tuner which all told cost me around $1000. Think clearance and refurb. They were out there if you knew where to look. AVSForum actually existed almost 10yrs ago you know, and I think that's where I got hooked up with mine clearence Panasonic production monitor. Quite a few people were in on a group deal for it and the Princeton 30" widescreen. The thing was a tank, must have easily weighed near 200lbs.
Sensuifu
08-09-2008, 08:24 PM
Think clearance and refurb. They were out there if you knew where to look. AVSForum actually existed almost 10yrs ago you know, and I think that's where I got hooked up with mine clearence Panasonic production monitor. Quite a few people were in on a group deal for it and the Princeton 30" widescreen. The thing was a tank, must have easily weighed near 200lbs.
I was thinking new, but as long as you got a deal, all's good. I actually spent around $650+ for a 21" 4:3 CRT monitor around that time, new, so yeah, there were bargains back then.
Ashuraou
08-25-2008, 06:04 AM
Wow, how is most of the show shot if the CG stuff is upscaled? I mean... it's like, I dunno, some of the gate stuff and other minor stuff like Ed's computer, which looked digitalish anyway.
If they do the gate stuff right, it'd be easily to clean up for HD even if they don't completely re-render it. It's like, yellow speedlines. They're so low detail and inconsequential I'm not sure why they're even an issue.
I mean, if I was to wonder about how they'd handle something... isn't the entire Pierre le Fou episode digital? Even then, I'm sure an upscale for that would look fine.
Skywise
08-25-2008, 07:13 AM
You'd most likely shoot it the traditional way - cel->film->tape master. The CG is then added to the tape master. For a HD transfer, you'd go back a step to the film master and use that for the majority of the content. Since the CG however is only available on the tape masters, those scenes would then have to be upscaled. In theory.
If they still have the original data files used for the CG, it might be possible for them to re-render and tweak them for the higher resolution, and then recomposit them. That costs extra money though.
Buster Darkwings
08-26-2008, 02:05 AM
You'd most likely shoot it the traditional way - cel->film->tape master. The CG is then added to the tape master. For a HD transfer, you'd go back a step to the film master and use that for the majority of the content. Since the CG however is only available on the tape masters, those scenes would then have to be upscaled. In theory.
If they still have the original data files used for the CG, it might be possible for them to re-render and tweak them for the higher resolution, and then recomposit them. That costs extra money though.
If the CG was indeed added to the tape masters, then they must have re-composited the footage for the HD remaster DVDs, as there's no composite artifacts or anything. So Bebop should be ready to go for Blu-ray.
kakugo
08-26-2008, 06:45 AM
Alternately, the "video" resolution stuff could have been generated on a computer at 24fps and then output to film, where it's optically printed into the camera negative. This is how live action films added CG before Digital Intermediates became common place.
With there being zero dot-crawl on stuff like Bebop and Macross Plus, but no obvious re-rendering, this seems infinately more likely.
Skywise
08-26-2008, 08:03 AM
Unless the CG is 30fps... Dot crawl doesn't mean anything though - they could have done the editing on component gear and component masters. They could also have cleaned up any composite artifacts for those sections if they wanted it to look pristine. There are no fast and easy answers in this case.
Buster Darkwings
08-26-2008, 08:13 AM
Unless the CG is 30fps...
It's not. DGIndex reports FILM 99% during CG sequences, like the rest of the disc (except the end credits, which are paged and can be easily converted to 24fps) and like all Bandai Visual's HD remaster DVDs. Even if it were 30fps progressive, it'd report those sections as NTSC.
djesteban
09-21-2009, 02:53 PM
Alternately, the "video" resolution stuff could have been generated on a computer at 24fps and then output to film, where it's optically printed into the camera negative. This is how live action films added CG before Digital Intermediates became common place.
If you look at the film grain between the CG shots and non-CG shots in Cowboy Bebop, I would say they used the technique above, since it is pretty even all along the scenes/episodes.
So, correct me if I'm wrong, but I would think it would be fairly easy to transfer this serie in HD, since it would only take a good film master in order to telecine it.
Isn't it what they did for the BD transfer of Cowboy Bebop: the movie?
isamu
12-16-2009, 05:08 AM
so what's the deal...any news on a US release?
preferably with Yoko Kanno Interview? :D
Betenoire
12-16-2009, 06:08 AM
so what's the deal...any news on a US release?
preferably with Yoko Kanno Interview? :D
Nothing has come out so far news wise about it. Then again the last known owner of the rights were Columbia and anime isn't exactly a huge portion of their portfolio.
so what's the deal...any news on a US release?
preferably with Yoko Kanno Interview? :D
Nothing has come out so far news wise about it. Then again the last known owner of the rights were Columbia and anime isn't exactly a huge portion of their portfolio.
Yeah, SPHE (Sony Pictures Home Ent) doesn't deal much with anime. Their only BD releases include Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, Paprika, Resident Evil: Degeneration, Sky Crawlers, and Tekkon Kinkreet. It remains to be seen if something will materialize for this movie. I don't expect it happening anytime soon though...
Betenoire
12-16-2009, 09:06 AM
Yeah, SPHE (Sony Pictures Home Ent) doesn't deal much with anime. Their only BD releases include Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, Paprika, Resident Evil: Degeneration, Sky Crawlers, and Tekkon Kinkreet. It remains to be seen if something will materialize for this movie. I don't expect it happening anytime soon though...
*looks at WTK's list*
...actually, I didn't realize they had done 5. That may put them in the running for second most among companies that have released BD anime. :sd:
Yeah, SPHE (Sony Pictures Home Ent) doesn't deal much with anime. Their only BD releases include Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, Paprika, Resident Evil: Degeneration, Sky Crawlers, and Tekkon Kinkreet. It remains to be seen if something will materialize for this movie. I don't expect it happening anytime soon though...
*looks at WTK's list*
...actually, I didn't realize they had done 5. That may put them in the running for second most among companies that have released BD anime. :sd:
Not quite. Bandai Ent. has 5 including pre-orders. Bandai / Honneamise should have 8.
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