Rumor Control: Dirty Pair Tv Licensed by Bandai?

[J-Syxx]

I just read this on youtube, I know unreliable but still I'm very, very curious:

Well, Bandai just licensed the TV series and will release it 2009. This is no joke, trust me.

Is it possible if it was licensed, they did not announce it? The tv series was remastered recently, so maybe this is slightly more possible than before.

[danth78]

This is no joke, trust me.

That's the part that makes me very suspicious. I'd love for this rumor to be true, though.

[Tofurkey]

If that happens, it'll be one of those cheapo box-sets, like the one from ImaginAsian.

[Vicserr]

If... and that's a big if, it's true, I would be all over it like Kei and Yuri's metalized clothes on them :P :cool:

[Rhodes]

sub only boxset then.

[LelouchLamperouge]

I wonder if he got this info from Wikipedia. Some random guy for the last 6 months has been editing the Bandai properties page with Aura Battler Dunbine, Sgt Frog, Dirty Pair TV and Gigantic Formula. Lord Richard has edited it out everytime some random guy does it.

Silly kids and their wild fantasies.

[ooga]

Until I see a Bandai announcement I won't believe it!

[Uzi]

Until I see a Bandai announcement I won't believe it!
I'll start believing when I have the working discs in my hands! :bigsmile: :noodle: :bowsmiley: :nosebleed:

[Speedy Boris]

Until I see a Bandai announcement I won't believe it! Same. I don't trust some random YouTube user's comment. I'd love for it to be true, though.

[TornadoTatsumaki]

I hope it's true.

[something]

Youtube. That is a new low in license rumor sources.

[Villain1]

Sounds way too good to be true at this point in time, what with the economy down and old-school series out of favor.

But if they really manage to release it all in a cheap subtitles-only boxset, I'll buy it in a heartbeat. Heck, I'll buy two.

-Villain

[joelgundam01]

Youtube. That is a new low in license rumor sources.

I can only think one even lower than that (starts with a number 4), but lets not get them involved. ;)

[something]

I can only think one even lower than that (starts with a number 4), but lets not get them involved. ;)
Honestly, I'd have to rank them slightly higher. YouTube is just that bad.

[KudosForce]

Bandai licensing the Dirty Pair TV series for R1? They would have better luck releasing the older Gundam series we didn't get yet (namely, Double Zeta, Victory, X and Turn A).

Besides, ADV Films re-releasing the Dirty Pair OVAs, movies and Dirty Pair Flash is much likelier than this.

[Njr Scrawl]

I thought ADV had lost the license for all Dirty Pair. Otherwise a complete Dirty Pair thinpack or brick would have been released by now. Where's DLW?

If Bandai have got ODP TV, I should think a sub-only set would be best. If they have got it, please sort out replicator issues first!

[TornadoTatsumaki]

I thought ADV had lost the license for all Dirty Pair. Otherwise a complete Dirty Pair thinpack or brick would have been released by now. Where's DLW?

If Bandai have got ODP TV, I should think a sub-only set would be best. If they have got it, please sort out replicator issues first!

(Note to mods, please don't be offended with me.)

I did some research on Dirty Pair. The DP TV series has never been licensed in the west and until 2006, it never saw a home video,Laser Disc,DVD release in Japan.

Streamline picutres licensed the 3 DP OVAs(Affair On Nolandia,Girls With guns,Damsels in Destruction) and two films for distribution in the U.S. way back in 1990. Although it got a early dub effort, the early dub wasn't very well recieved and in 1999 after nine years of failed re-releases by Streamline, the licenses were sold to ADV films as part of a Hamony Gold partnership.(Which ADV also was able to obtain the 1995 OAV spinoff series DP Flash)ADV's re-dub was better recieved by sub fans still considered ADV's sub tape over it's dub. When they finally got a DVD release in 2001 the singles sold well enough for ADV re-new the license in 2003 for a thinpack release.

On February 29,2008. ADV's license on the OVAs and Dirty Pair Flash officially expired along with several other HG licenses from 9 years ago. It's really frustrating because not only did the series go out of print so quickly, but because many online retailers like Rightstuf(http://www.rightstuf.com/1-800-338-6827/catalogmgr/2TOzlNzlPMuWzSgDdv/browse/item/61159/4/0/0) *link removed* were forced to send many singles back to ADV. Both the Flash, AON, and movies are now very hard to find. But the Original Dirty Pair OAVs are still availible in at least a handful of online retailers (http://www.animecastle.com/c-20571-dirty-pair-original-dvd.aspx)

Our best hope is that Bandai will consider licensing the TV series as a sub-only boxset. I would scream for joy if they did.(I'm dying to collect the TV series and was lucky to have brought the singles for the ODP OAVs in 2004 which was my first anime purchase, and the AON OAV and movie collection in '06 at Best Buy.)

[Steve_the_Talking_Pie]

We can only hope however any place that can host 2 girls 1 cup response videos is not the place to find anime news.

[Njr Scrawl]

The R2J "budget" sets ( = R1 prime) had all ODP TV, OVAs & all DPF in one set, and another box set was released for AoN & Flight 005. It had an empty slot for Project Eden movie, that was always sold separately.

CD Japan still sells the individual specials & movie, but the rest they have down as OOP.

AFAIK, Streamline only released AoN, Flight 005 & PE movie. There are no trailers for any other DP releases on their VHS releases.

If nothing else, the ADV OVA licenses need rescuing. The R2J specials were & are re-mastered, which is why they are still IP I guess. R1 Project Eden was OK for quality IIRC.

As Bandai did a straight-to Anime Legends release for the re-mastered Agent Aika, I hoping that's a precedent for ODP.

[J-Syxx]

The R2J "budget" sets ( = R1 prime) had all ODP TV, OVAs & all DPF in one set, and another box set was released for AoN & Flight 005. It had an empty slot for Project Eden movie, that was always sold separately.

CD Japan still sells the individual specials & movie, but the rest they have down as OOP.

AFAIK, Streamline only released AoN, Flight 005 & PE movie. There are no trailers for any other DP releases on their VHS releases.

If nothing else, the ADV OVA licenses need rescuing. The R2J specials were & are re-mastered, which is why they are still IP I guess. R1 Project Eden was OK for quality IIRC.

As Bandai did a straight-to Anime Legends release for the re-mastered Agent Aika, I hoping that's a precedent for ODP.

Doesn't Bandai (Japan) own Dirty Pair anyways? I'm pretty certain it was a Sunrise show. So obtaining a license may not be as hard as say ADV if the previous licensing expired.

We can only hope however any place that can host 2 girls 1 cup response videos is not the place to find anime news.
I said it was a rumor not news, stop complaining. I just don't keep up on this license crap like people who come here every day, so I was curious if there was more to it.

And honeslty, if Bandai were to release it, I hope they would have the bozzak to do a dub for it, maybe even if it was just a crappy one from a b-studio.

[AstroNerdBoy]

And honeslty, if Bandai were to release it, I hope they would have the bozzak to do a dub for it, maybe even if it was just a crappy one from a b-studio.

Considering that Dirty Pair is an old school anime title with a niche following at best, I can't see anyone springing for a dub, even if they do license it for a subtitle release. While I have a personal weakness for the series (the OVAs having been released when I lived in Japan), it isn't what I'd call a series that will draw in a lot of new fans.

[J-Syxx]

And honeslty, if Bandai were to release it, I hope they would have the bozzak to do a dub for it, maybe even if it was just a crappy one from a b-studio.

Considering that Dirty Pair is an old school anime title with a niche following at best, I can't see anyone springing for a dub, even if they do license it for a subtitle release. While I have a personal weakness for the series (the OVAs having been released when I lived in Japan), it isn't what I'd call a series that will draw in a lot of new fans.

I know this same argument is used every time, but it's not always the case. I think ADV did redub their releases. I know 26 episodes is slightly different, but it's not unprecedented.

[Mazinkaizer]

Too good to be true, but i'll wait for the official announcement from BE.

[Daimao Raki]

I wonder if the discs will work if Bandai has it and releases it.

[J-Syxx]

Some what off-topic, but does anyone know if Dark Horse will release more translated Dirty Pair novels beyond the two they have released?

[HyperDuel]

Would be nice if it was true. I always wanted to see the TV series.

[Kyon]

I did some research on Dirty Pair. The DP TV series has never been licensed in the west and until 2006, it never saw a home video,Laser Disc,DVD release in Japan.

It seems you didn't really do your research, because the whole series has been on video in Japan for ages.

[hikaru004]

They should be drawn and quartered if this comes over and not Pailsen Files.

[HyperDuel]

I just thought of something: niche 80s show translates to Bandai's Honneamise label.

Then again that would be suicide.

[Steve_the_Talking_Pie]

We can only hope however any place that can host 2 girls 1 cup response videos is not the place to find anime news.
I said it was a rumor not news, stop complaining. I just don't keep up on this license crap like people who come here every day, so I was curious if there was more to it.

And honeslty, if Bandai were to release it, I hope they would have the bozzak to do a dub for it, maybe even if it was just a crappy one from a b-studio.

It was a joke and an excuse for me to bring up such a topic on the AOD threads. Reading this rumor made my day, so don't think I am trying to put it down. A little hope now and then is nice, and I can certainly use some of that. Here's to hoping for a release.

[Njr Scrawl]

And honeslty, if Bandai were to release it, I hope they would have the bozzak to do a dub for it, maybe even if it was just a crappy one from a b-studio.

Considering that Dirty Pair is an old school anime title with a niche following at best, I can't see anyone springing for a dub, even if they do license it for a subtitle release. While I have a personal weakness for the series (the OVAs having been released when I lived in Japan), it isn't what I'd call a series that will draw in a lot of new fans.

I know this same argument is used every time, but it's not always the case. I think ADV did redub their releases. I know 26 episodes is slightly different, but it's not unprecedented.

ADV re-dubbed AoN, Flight 005 & Project Eden. Streamline were consistent with their VAs & had the same (Kei & Yuri anyway) for all 3. ADV of course had to replace Jessica Calvello (who was Yuri in the OVAs) after she had damaged her voice, since the specials & movie were licensed & released after Excel Saga.

[Bumble]

They should be drawn and quartered if this comes over and not Pailsen Files.

There's a few MIA OVAs to get to first, including Mellowlink! Anyway, aside from Votoms being CPM's final release before they went belly-up, wasn't another of the last vintage Sunrise TV anime to get a R1 release ADV's Dunbine? That one even came with a dub, and that obviously didn't help the sales any.

With the current R1 market's acceptance of older anime with no prior TV exposure, Dirty Pair TV sadly doesn't stand much of a chance of ever being licensed, especially in a tougher financial climate. The time to make a viable release of this series passed a good many years ago.

[J-Syxx]

They should be drawn and quartered if this comes over and not Pailsen Files.

There's a few MIA OVAs to get to first, including Mellowlink! Anyway, aside from Votoms being CPM's final release before they went belly-up, wasn't another of the last vintage Sunrise TV anime to get a R1 release ADV's Dunbine? That one even came with a dub, and that obviously didn't help the sales any.

With the current R1 market's acceptance of older anime with no prior TV exposure, Dirty Pair TV sadly doesn't stand much of a chance of ever being licensed, especially in a tougher financial climate. The time to make a viable release of this series passed a good many years ago.

Dirty Pair has exposure anyways in the US. It's not like some unheard of anime, anyone who's not a n00b knows what the show is. I wouldn't say it's likely though, but again doesn't Bandai US get preferential access to Bandai anime? That would give it some kind of edge say opposed to ADV who has no connection to Sunrise.

[djanss]

There's a few MIA OVAs to get to first, including Mellowlink! Anyway, aside from Votoms being CPM's final release before they went belly-up, wasn't another of the last vintage Sunrise TV anime to get a R1 release ADV's Dunbine? That one even came with a dub, and that obviously didn't help the sales any.

There's a big-@$$ difference between Sho & Marvel and Kei & Yuri....BIG time.
Dunbine was clunky, humorless, old-OLD-school mecha, and dragged inscrutably complex storyline-upon-storyline on till the last man, without even the decent Macross-style benefit of distinguishable characters we could tell apart from each other. (Although I liked Cham Fau. :) )

K&Y, however, are timeless. Like Lum, Lupin and Doraemon, the power of Personality can transcend all generational barriers of "Eww, kill it, it is, like, so 80's!"

[Njr Scrawl]

K&Y, however, are timeless. Like Lum, Lupin and Doraemon, the power of Personality can transcend all generational barriers of "Eww, kill it, it is, like, so 80's!"

And yet that other 80s institution, Dragon Ball rocks on. Of course that has cartoon status & transcends being anime, also having young males causing GBH to each other. Still its old & there are newer shows with battling boys, vile villains & gropeable girls.

[KudosForce]

K&Y, however, are timeless. Like Lum, Lupin and Doraemon, the power of Personality can transcend all generational barriers of "Eww, kill it, it is, like, so 80's!"

And yet that other 80s institution, Dragon Ball rocks on. Of course that has cartoon status & transcends being anime, also having young males causing GBH to each other. Still its old & there are newer shows with battling boys, vile villains & gropeable girls.

There's also Fist of the North Star that was semi-recognizable in earlier years...Unfortunately, mostly due to the over-the-top violence it has (especially the movie, which came first in the U.S. I believe). A shame, really, as it has its own tragic tale to tell. The new OVA and some of the mangas were brought over here, at least (meanwhile, in my province of Québec, new editions of the french version have recently started being sold in bookstores).

Anyway, the point is that people can dig 80s anime, you just have to pick the right icons to represent them.

[dragonrider_cody]

They should be drawn and quartered if this comes over and not Pailsen Files.

There's a few MIA OVAs to get to first, including Mellowlink! Anyway, aside from Votoms being CPM's final release before they went belly-up, wasn't another of the last vintage Sunrise TV anime to get a R1 release ADV's Dunbine? That one even came with a dub, and that obviously didn't help the sales any.

With the current R1 market's acceptance of older anime with no prior TV exposure, Dirty Pair TV sadly doesn't stand much of a chance of ever being licensed, especially in a tougher financial climate. The time to make a viable release of this series passed a good many years ago.

Dirty Pair has exposure anyways in the US. It's not like some unheard of anime, anyone who's not a n00b knows what the show is. I wouldn't say it's likely though, but again doesn't Bandai US get preferential access to Bandai anime? That would give it some kind of edge say opposed to ADV who has no connection to Sunrise.

I think you're overestimating the exposure of Dirty Pair. Even some anime fans who have been fans for several years are not familiar with it. The only reason I even know of it is because of the airing of Dirty Pair Flash on Showtime Beyond a few years back.

Of course, Slayers is an older title and has done well, so Dirty Pair could be successful if the license is cheap enough.

[J-Syxx]

Another thing is that Kei and Yuri have some of the biggest breasts in anime, making that a timeless element that could be marketed. XD

[Vicserr]

Another thing is that Kei and Yuri have some of the biggest breasts in anime, making that a timeless element that could be marketed. XD

Please, if that was a factor... Eiken would be the best selling anime ever... :blush1:

[Thanatos]

I did some research on Dirty Pair. The DP TV series has never been licensed in the west and until 2006, it never saw a home video,Laser Disc,DVD release in Japan.


Your research is 100% wrong. Dirty Pair TV was released on VHS and Laserdisc in Japan. I know: I watched them on those formats. And it was released on single DVDs before 2006.

[Greg Aubry]

I've owned the three Streamline Dirty Pair movies on VHS since 1994 or so (I think it was about then that 005 Conspiracy came out), and Project Eden is absolutely one of my favorite pieces of '80s anime. One of the things that really make the Streamline release shine is, in fact, its unfairly maligned dub. Having seen the faithful-but-colorless ADV re-dub, I can confidently say that Macek and Chamberlain's adaptation is a lot more fun to watch. Wish they'd included it on the ADV set.

[Njr Scrawl]

I did some research on Dirty Pair. The DP TV series has never been licensed in the west and until 2006, it never saw a home video,Laser Disc,DVD release in Japan.


Your research is 100% wrong. Dirty Pair TV was released on VHS and Laserdisc in Japan. I know: I watched them on those formats. And it was released on single DVDs before 2006.

Absolutely right. DP TV has in fact had 2 LD releases in Japan (singles & box set collection) & 2 DVD releases in Japan, singles (jewel case & the digipack set). VHS I don't know how many.

TT, I don't know where your researches lead you, but you need to change your sources!

[Njr Scrawl]

I've owned the three Streamline Dirty Pair movies on VHS since 1994 or so (I think it was about then that 005 Conspiracy came out), and Project Eden is absolutely one of my favorite pieces of '80s anime. One of the things that really make the Streamline release shine is, in fact, its unfairly maligned dub. Having seen the faithful-but-colorless ADV re-dub, I can confidently say that Macek and Chamberlain's adaptation is a lot more fun to watch. Wish they'd included it on the ADV set.

Wendee Lee is an OK Yuri :) Forget who Kei was but she sounds tough!

Strangely or not, I prefer the Streamline dub voices for the specials & movie, as the girls sounder harder & are dealing with less comic, grimmer situations. Serious stories. For Affair on Nolandia, the less cartoony character design makes it seem more serious to other DP as well.

I wish ADV had included both dubs, as well as the Japanese of course.

[Mozart]

Another thing is that Kei and Yuri have some of the biggest breasts in anime, making that a timeless element that could be marketed. XD

In this respect only, the TV series Pair may well disappoint. Some enhancements were obviously made for Project Eden.

Myself, I bought all the laserdiscs back in 1990, and love them! I'd love it even more to see a DVD release with good image quality (ADV's OAV release fell down in this respect) and subtitles, however.

[Fencedude]

Another thing is that Kei and Yuri have some of the biggest breasts in anime, making that a timeless element that could be marketed. XD

...no, they don't, really.

Also, people in this thread are WAAAAAAAAAAY over estimating the appeal of a 1980's TV series.

[HyperDuel]

What made Dirty Pair:

Chicks with guns
Dialog between Kei and Yuri
SF setting
The 80s vibe (hard to explain)

[Fencedude]

What made Dirty Pair:

Chicks with guns
Dialog between Kei and Yuri
SF setting
The 80s vibe (hard to explain)

Ok, thats nice, but that doesn't explain why it would have the appeal necessary NOW.

(I've seen quite a bit of Dirty Pair, and in fact like it a lot, and would buy the TV series if released, but lets keep things in perspective here)

[Isuzu Inugami]

Another thing is that Kei and Yuri have some of the biggest breasts in anime,

Wat?


Also, people in this thread are WAAAAAAAAAAY over estimating the appeal of a 1980's TV series.

Now hang on there, I don't think anybody's saying it'd be a blockbuster, but it is a classic anime title with a lot of fandom affection, not to mention some degree of crossover interest from comics fandom thanks to the (somewhat better than the source material :sweat:) Adam Warren comics. It's considerably more than just "a 1980's TV series."


[edit:] Oooh, post 4,000: fighting with Fencedude! =P I'm a Sailor Senshi now!

[HyperDuel]

Ok, thats nice, but that doesn't explain why it would have the appeal necessary NOW.

(I've seen quite a bit of Dirty Pair, and in fact like it a lot, and would buy the TV series if released, but lets keep things in perspective here)

Many 80s stuff don't have appeal to the regular anime fan. I showed many 80s stuff to buddies and none of them like Dirty Pair (since the animation quality sucks according to them).

The truth is if Bandai release this in the US then the old-school fans will most likely buy it up.

[Fencedude]

Many 80s stuff don't have appeal to the regular anime fan. I showed many 80s stuff to buddies and none of them like Dirty Pair (since the animation quality sucks).

The truth is if Bandai release this in the US then the old-school fans will most likely buy it up.

My point is that the "oldschool" base has been shown, repeatedly, to not be big enough to support releases larger than a short OVA series or single movies.

[Glorian]

Many 80s stuff don't have appeal to the regular anime fan. I showed many 80s stuff to buddies and none of them like Dirty Pair (since the animation quality sucks).

The truth is if Bandai release this in the US then the old-school fans will most likely buy it up.

My point is that the "oldschool" base has been shown, repeatedly, to not be big enough to support releases larger than a short OVA series or single movies.

Agreed. The only way I'd ever think that Dirty Pair TV might get released in R1 would be as a direct order Animeigo set.

[HyperDuel]

Many 80s stuff don't have appeal to the regular anime fan. I showed many 80s stuff to buddies and none of them like Dirty Pair (since the animation quality sucks).

The truth is if Bandai release this in the US then the old-school fans will most likely buy it up.

My point is that the "oldschool" base has been shown, repeatedly, to not be big enough to support releases larger than a short OVA series or single movies.

MMMMM, Yawara!, and Urusei Yatsura?

[Fencedude]

MMMMM, Yawara!, and Urusei Yatsura?

Very bad examples, their release has more to do with the way AnimEigo is, as opposed to the actual popularity of the series.

[HyperDuel]

MMMMM, Yawara!, and Urusei Yatsura?

Very bad examples, their release has more to do with the way AnimEigo is, as opposed to the actual popularity of the series.

Saint Seiya, Gatchaman (with a brand new dub) and City Hunter from ADV Films?

[Fencedude]

Saint Seiya, Gatchaman (with a brand new dub) and City Hunter from ADV Films?

Saint Seiya was never completed, thus implying it didn't do very well. City Hunter was a very cheap release in what seemed to be low print quantities, in the middle of the anime "boom", and Gatchaman did, by all reports "ok".

I can see no compelling reason why Bandai would want to release the Dirty Pair TV series now, unless they litterally got the license for almost nothing.

[HyperDuel]

Saint Seiya was never completed, thus implying it didn't do very well. City Hunter was a very cheap release in what seemed to be low print quantities, in the middle of the anime "boom", and Gatchaman did, by all reports "ok".

I can see no compelling reason why Bandai would want to release the Dirty Pair TV series now, unless they litterally got the license for almost nothing.

Funny because Riding Bean is already out on Blu-Ray in Japan via Honneamise brand. An OVA on Blu-Ray, yeah.

[Fencedude]

I would ask Bandai why they brought over Toward the Terra to the TV series in the US? The show had limited appeal (but it looks like it's doing ok in sales).

Its also from all of two years ago, and had a semi-decent fansub following. I'd agree that its appeal is limited, but so is Dirty Pair's at this point. Its a fairly demonstrable fact that the average anime watcher now is not interested in shows that old. That position is silly, but its been repeatedly demonstrated.

Again, I would like to see Dirty Pair TV released, but I'm not holding my breath based on a comment made on youtube

Funny because Riding Bean is already out on Blu-Ray in Japan via Honneamise brand.

How is this relevant?

[Steve_the_Talking_Pie]

MMMMM, Yawara!, and Urusei Yatsura?

Very bad examples, their release has more to do with the way AnimEigo is, as opposed to the actual popularity of the series.

I believe Woodhead said he would finish UY regardless of the profits.

[Fencedude]

I believe Woodhead said he would finish UY regardless of the profits.

Exactly, you can't compare AnimEigo to a "normal" R1 anime company.

[Isuzu Inugami]

Funny because Riding Bean is already out on Blu-Ray in Japan via Honneamise brand. An OVA on Blu-Ray, yeah.

But that's Japan. Where a lot of these shows are highly valued by the fanbase that grew up with them. I have to give Fencedude his due here--most older shows are going to live or die over here based on how realistically low the Japanese price the R1 license. And being a big, classic title in Japan perversely hurts the chances that a show will ever make it over here, since the licensors will value it higher than the R1 market can likely support.

On the other hand, although they already had the license, I see Bandai spending money on dubbing the re-release of Clamp School Detectives, of all things, so apparently the R1 companies seem to be a bit less negative about old properties than Fencedude....

[Vicserr]

I'll just say that I'm just thankful when some old school does pop up in a R1 company release schedule...:catgirl: :beatingheart:

[Fencedude]

On the other hand, although they already had the license, I see Bandai spending money on dubbing the re-release of Clamp School Detectives, of all things, so apparently the R1 companies seem to be a bit less negative about old properties than Fencedude....

I still don't get that myself, but CSD is also not nearly as old as DP, and has previously been released in R1.

But yeah, weird decision.

[HyperDuel]

How is this relevant?

Did you expect any company to even bother to release Riding Bean on Blu-Ray? Well Bandai thinks money can be made on releasing something stuff from 20 years ago.

I'll leave it at that.

[LordGeo]

Saint Seiya, Gatchaman (with a brand new dub) and City Hunter from ADV Films?

Saint Seiya was never completed, thus implying it didn't do very well.

You can't prove that. It's known that ADV only had what DiC licensed, which was only the first 60 episodes/the 1st half of the show, and complications kept ADV from getting more, probably stemming from them only having a sub-license for those 60 episodes... But speculations can go from there.

Also, ADV wasn't able to do more with Gatchaman due to the original licensor's license running out, thus ADV had to drop the show before they could even try to do boxsets for that show, which would have REALLY helped that show's sales in the end... It's like Hajime no Ippo in that only so many will actually buy all 18 DVDs or all 9 double-packs when they were released.

And with City Hunter, it seems that the first two seasons can still get bought at fairly good prices, so they probably got good print runs. Seasons 3 & 4 on the other hand...

Considering that ADV is re-releasing Saint Seiya now, I think ADV still has hopes for that show... At least more than a show like City Hunter or Dunbine, even though they do deserve second chances. And with DiC gone who knows if anything else might come from the Seiya re-releases.

[Fencedude]

How is this relevant?

Did you expect any company to even bother to release Riding Bean on Blu-Ray? Well Bandai thinks money can be made on releasing something stuff from 20 years ago.

I'll leave it at that.

Japan.

[something]

Did you expect any company to even bother to release Riding Bean on Blu-Ray? Well Bandai thinks money can be made on releasing something stuff from 20 years ago.
I'll leave it at that.
But... the Japanese market and North American markets couldn't be more different. This doesn't help your argument at all.

[Fencedude]

You can't prove that. It's known that ADV only had what DiC licensed, which was only the first 60 episodes/the 1st half of the show, and complications kept ADV from getting more, probably stemming from them only having a sub-license for those 60 episodes... But speculations can go from there.

Also, ADV wasn't able to do more with Gatchaman due to the original licensor's license running out, thus ADV had to drop the show before they could even try to do boxsets for that show, which would have REALLY helped that show's sales in the end... It's like Hajime no Ippo in that only so many will actually buy all 18 DVDs or all 9 double-packs when they were released.

Considering that ADV is re-releasing Saint Seiya now, I think ADV still has hopes for that show... At least more than a show like City Hunter or Dunbine, even though they do deserve second chances. And with DiC gone who knows if anything else might come from the Seiya re-releases.

Saint Seiya is weird. I don't quite get how if ADV sublicensed it from DiC, and now DiC has lost the license...how does ADV retain their sub license?

Regardless, if Saint Seiya had been profitable to a great extent, I'd imagine ADV would have attempted to get the rest on their own. The sets I see as a way of getting just a bit more money out of something that can be rereleased easily.

But really, where's my Dunbine set!?

[Vicserr]

How is this relevant?

Did you expect any company to even bother to release Riding Bean on Blu-Ray? Well Bandai thinks money can be made on releasing something stuff from 20 years ago.

I'll leave it at that.

Japan.

Yes, the Land of the Rising Sun will release almost any anime because the fanbase is big enough (and paying those R2J prices) ;)

[LordGeo]

Considering that ADV is re-releasing Saint Seiya now, I think ADV still has hopes for that show... At least more than a show like City Hunter or Dunbine, even though they do deserve second chances. And with DiC gone who knows if anything else might come from the Seiya re-releases.

Saint Seiya is weird. I don't quite get how if ADV sublicensed it from DiC, and now DiC has lost the license...how does ADV retain their sub license?

Regardless, if Saint Seiya had been profitable to a great extent, I'd imagine ADV would have attempted to get the rest on their own. The sets I see as a way of getting just a bit more money out of something that can be rereleased easily.

But really, where's my Dunbine set!?

Well, there's a chance that the license reverted back to Toei and ADV licensed it. It has been almost 3 years since ADV last released Saint Seiya, so a lot can happen.

The most we heard before the re-release solicitation was that ADV wanted to license the rest of the show, or at least the last 13 episodes of the Sanctuary chapter they left off in the middle of, but there were some problems with Toei. My personal feeling is that Toei didn't want the show split up between two companies, DiC and ADV in this case, and therefore didn't let ADV license more.

But if DiC is gone, and the company that bought it makes absolutely no mention of "Knights of the Zodiac" (or any anime DiC had) on its website, then there's probably no reason stop ADV from licensing the show from Toei... And it's unlikely that ADV would only license half of a show when they can potentially get all of it.

As for Dunbine... I just hope that ADV doesn't tell us to go ask Bandai for it, because I think at a con earlier this year when someone asked ADV about Dunbine they said to "ask Sunrise" about it.

[Daniel_Perales]

How is this relevant?

Did you expect any company to even bother to release Riding Bean on Blu-Ray? Well Bandai thinks money can be made on releasing something stuff from 20 years ago.

I'll leave it at that.

In Japan. :rolleyes:


Also, let me mention that I, too, think that there is a market here for "old-school" anime. It all depends on which shows do these companies think that there still a sizeable audience, and the license has to be reasonable giving the age of said shows (licenses fees for some of these old show could be as high as the latest ones).

Shows can have a very large fan base when they were out for the very first time, but that base can vanish at two blinks of an eye once it's intial run is over (most fans seems to be pretty fickle like that).

Danny

[bctaris]

On the other hand, although they already had the license, I see Bandai spending money on dubbing the re-release of Clamp School Detectives, of all things, so apparently the R1 companies seem to be a bit less negative about old properties than Fencedude....

At the same time--to keep beating this dead horse--as (or at the expense of) not finishing the Galaxy Angel X dub. So they may not be as negative to old school niche as they are to recent niche...

What is Bandai's warped little plan here?

(And if it included DP TV by some bizarre means (maybe with a dub paid from the resources for some future GitS dub for all I know :sweat:), I'm in that line, too.)

[something]

What is Bandai's warped little plan here?
Maybe they just have a perverse amount of faith in name "Clamp"?

[Fencedude]

At the same time--to keep beating this dead horse--as (or at the expense of) not finishing the Galaxy Angel X dub. So they may not be as negative to old school niche as they are to recent niche...


I still think the CSD comparison is highly misleading.

CSD aired in 1997, DPTV aired in 1985

Thats...a pretty major difference. There are major posters on this site younger than DPTV.

[bctaris]

At the same time--to keep beating this dead horse--as (or at the expense of) not finishing the Galaxy Angel X dub. So they may not be as negative to old school niche as they are to recent niche...


I still think the CSD comparison is highly misleading.

CSD aired in 1997, DPTV aired in 1985

Thats...a pretty major difference. There are major posters on this site younger than DPTV.

And many would be likely to group anything before 2000 in the same boat. We won't know whether there will be a major difference until we get an idea of the sales. I'll hold with something though that CLAMP is a better brand than DP...but not too much for this caliber, vintage, and style of CLAMP product.

But good point. I forgot CSD was that recent. (I abhor calling anything later than '90 or so old school.) And all I was 'beating' here is the unfinished GA X dub and the odd order of priorities Bandai has of late (including a new (second) dub for the old Silent Mobius movie). I don't really care one way or the other whether Bandai should go for DPTV.

[Njr Scrawl]

MMMMM, Yawara!, and Urusei Yatsura?

Very bad examples, their release has more to do with the way AnimEigo is, as opposed to the actual popularity of the series.

Very astute. :) AE's own titles have a personal appeal to its CEO Robert Woodhead, & his wife IIRC.

They all have cute but sassy girls. OMG, YUA, KOR, BGC, UY, Macross (Minmay), Genesis Survivor Gaiarth, Miss China's Ring. Something about Vampire Princess Miyu maybe :sweat:

Having written that, Dirty Pair might fit in (AE licensed Crusher Joe), but perhaps the same obstacles that stopped ADV (who could have sold it successfully in the boom IMO), affect all licensees.

Dirty Pair (& Flash) has never been licensed out to any R3 label AFAIK, which is odd as many older shows are, on VCD or DVD.

[KudosForce]

MMMMM, Yawara!, and Urusei Yatsura?

Very bad examples, their release has more to do with the way AnimEigo is, as opposed to the actual popularity of the series.

Very astute. :) AE's own titles have a personal appeal to its CEO Robert Woodhead, & his wife IIRC.

They all have cute but sassy girls. OMG, YUA, KOR, BGC, UY, Macross (Minmay), Genesis Survivor Gaiarth, Miss China's Ring. Something about Vampire Princess Miyu maybe :sweat:

This is very interesting. I didn't even know this. Of course, this might explain why it takes forever for Animeigo to license more retro series.

[AstroNerdBoy]

I did some research on Dirty Pair. The DP TV series has never been licensed in the west and until 2006, it never saw a home video,Laser Disc,DVD release in Japan.


Your research is 100% wrong. Dirty Pair TV was released on VHS and Laserdisc in Japan. I know: I watched them on those formats. And it was released on single DVDs before 2006.

Come to think of it, so did I when my roommate rented them back in the day. ^_^;

What made Dirty Pair:

Chicks with guns
Dialog between Kei and Yuri
SF setting
The 80s vibe (hard to explain)

And a healthy dose of Yuri. ;)


Many 80s stuff don't have appeal to the regular anime fan. I showed many 80s stuff to buddies and none of them like Dirty Pair (since the animation quality sucks).

The truth is if Bandai release this in the US then the old-school fans will most likely buy it up.

My point is that the "oldschool" base has been shown, repeatedly, to not be big enough to support releases larger than a short OVA series or single movies.

I mostly agree with this, however FUNimation leading the way with set releases, the TV series could be released as a set and for under $50. That would be helpful to an old school anime fan like myself, but I honestly don't think Dirty Pair would pick up many new fans in the U.S.


Saint Seiya, Gatchaman (with a brand new dub) and City Hunter from ADV Films?

Saint Seiya was never completed, thus implying it didn't do very well. City Hunter was a very cheap release in what seemed to be low print quantities, in the middle of the anime "boom", and Gatchaman did, by all reports "ok".

And Gatchaman has the built-in factor of having been seen in another form back in the 70's. So you have more of a nostolgia factor there (much like Robotech watchers from back in the day discovering the truth in Macross).



MMMMM, Yawara!, and Urusei Yatsura?

Very bad examples, their release has more to do with the way AnimEigo is, as opposed to the actual popularity of the series.

Very astute. :) AE's own titles have a personal appeal to its CEO Robert Woodhead, & his wife IIRC.

They all have cute but sassy girls. OMG, YUA, KOR, BGC, UY, Macross (Minmay), Genesis Survivor Gaiarth, Miss China's Ring. Something about Vampire Princess Miyu maybe :sweat:

This is very interesting. I didn't even know this. Of course, this might explain why it takes forever for Animeigo to license more retro series.

Well, that and the fact that after ADV pretty much shoved them aside in the 90's, AnimEigo doesn't have the captial to license anything much anymore.

Back to Dirty Pair, I know I've mentioned this before and I know it is only anicdotal, but among those who frequent blogs about anime, the series isn't going to get a draw.

I recently blogged the 10 OVA episodes and as I've been able, the TV series (10 episodes thus far). Whenever I post a Dirty Pair article, I'll be lucky if it draws four hits in the first 24-hours. Compare that to something like Macross Frontier or Clannad After Story where I could be two weeks late and still get quite a few hits for the post (not nearly as many if I posted in a more timely fashion). That says to me, "very few care about Dirty Pair."

[HitokiriShadow]

And Gatchaman has the built-in factor of having been seen in another form back in the 70's. So you have more of a nostolgia factor there (much like Robotech watchers from back in the day discovering the truth in Macross).


And for those of us that were not even born in the 70s when it initially aired, it had reruns and re-dubs at various points. I saw some version of Gatchaman on TV in the mid 90s. In any case, nostalgia or simply prior exposure is unquestionably a factor when looking at Gatchaman's success, something Dirty Pair and just about any other old school title people clamor for won't have.

[KudosForce]

And for those of us that were not even born in the 70s when it initially aired, it had reruns and re-dubs at various points. I saw some version of Gatchaman on TV in the mid 90s. In any case, nostalgia or simply prior exposure is unquestionably a factor when looking at Gatchaman's success, something Dirty Pair and just about any other old school title people clamor for won't have.

Let's not forget about Voltron, too.

[J-Syxx]

I did some research on Dirty Pair. The DP TV series has never been licensed in the west and until 2006, it never saw a home video,Laser Disc,DVD release in Japan.


Your research is 100% wrong. Dirty Pair TV was released on VHS and Laserdisc in Japan. I know: I watched them on those formats. And it was released on single DVDs before 2006.

Come to think of it, so did I when my roommate rented them back in the day. ^_^;

What made Dirty Pair:

Chicks with guns
Dialog between Kei and Yuri
SF setting
The 80s vibe (hard to explain)

And a healthy dose of Yuri. ;)


Many 80s stuff don't have appeal to the regular anime fan. I showed many 80s stuff to buddies and none of them like Dirty Pair (since the animation quality sucks).

The truth is if Bandai release this in the US then the old-school fans will most likely buy it up.

My point is that the "oldschool" base has been shown, repeatedly, to not be big enough to support releases larger than a short OVA series or single movies.

I mostly agree with this, however FUNimation leading the way with set releases, the TV series could be released as a set and for under $50. That would be helpful to an old school anime fan like myself, but I honestly don't think Dirty Pair would pick up many new fans in the U.S.


Saint Seiya, Gatchaman (with a brand new dub) and City Hunter from ADV Films?

Saint Seiya was never completed, thus implying it didn't do very well. City Hunter was a very cheap release in what seemed to be low print quantities, in the middle of the anime "boom", and Gatchaman did, by all reports "ok".

And Gatchaman has the built-in factor of having been seen in another form back in the 70's. So you have more of a nostolgia factor there (much like Robotech watchers from back in the day discovering the truth in Macross).



MMMMM, Yawara!, and Urusei Yatsura?

Very bad examples, their release has more to do with the way AnimEigo is, as opposed to the actual popularity of the series.

Very astute. :) AE's own titles have a personal appeal to its CEO Robert Woodhead, & his wife IIRC.

They all have cute but sassy girls. OMG, YUA, KOR, BGC, UY, Macross (Minmay), Genesis Survivor Gaiarth, Miss China's Ring. Something about Vampire Princess Miyu maybe :sweat:

This is very interesting. I didn't even know this. Of course, this might explain why it takes forever for Animeigo to license more retro series.

Well, that and the fact that after ADV pretty much shoved them aside in the 90's, AnimEigo doesn't have the captial to license anything much anymore.

Back to Dirty Pair, I know I've mentioned this before and I know it is only anicdotal, but among those who frequent blogs about anime, the series isn't going to get a draw.

I recently blogged the 10 OVA episodes and as I've been able, the TV series (10 episodes thus far). Whenever I post a Dirty Pair article, I'll be lucky if it draws four hits in the first 24-hours. Compare that to something like Macross Frontier or Clannad After Story where I could be two weeks late and still get quite a few hits for the post (not nearly as many if I posted in a more timely fashion). That says to me, "very few care about Dirty Pair."
Slightly pretentious to even consider your blog an example of anything, even anicdotal evidence, no offense. Something better would say be sales figures for ADV's releases. I'm not convinced they sold poorly, since it's obvious they went OOP due to license issues.

[Fencedude]

Slightly pretentious to even consider your blog an example of anything, even anicdotal evidence, no offense. Something better would say be sales figures for ADV's releases. I'm not convinced they sold poorly, since it's obvious they went OOP due to license issues.

Sales figures! The holy grails of the anime industry! Often searched for, only found in legend!

Also, trim your quotes, please

[djanss]

[quote=TornadoTatsumaki;1475125]
I did some research on Dirty Pair. The DP TV series has never been licensed in the west and until 2006, it never saw a home video,Laser Disc,DVD release in Japan.


Your research is 100% wrong. Dirty Pair TV was released on VHS and Laserdisc in Japan. I know: I watched them on those formats. And it was released on single DVDs before 2006.

Come to think of it, so did I when my roommate rented them back in the day. ^_^;

I remember renting import LD's (back when you could), just to get some decent DP tapings--
Three episodes to a disk, or two to an OAV....Which is how I saw them in the first place, back before you younguns' subtitles even existed.

What made Dirty Pair:
Chicks with guns
Dialog between Kei and Yuri

(And the same dynamic that made Usagi and the Sailor Scouts so instantly identifiable--
Namely, that we like them that much more for getting the job done despite NOT exactly being the most competent tools in the shed...But it's not their fault! :sd:)

SF setting
The 80s vibe (hard to explain)

And the fact that humor in early-80's anime was pretty darn hard to find--
Robotech, Star Blazers and Akira-geeks were pushing the exposure in the US, and the mainstream image was that "Japanimation" was campily melodramatic, overwrought, yap-yap dubbed and tech-obsessed.

I remember seeing the "Halloween Party" OAV episode raw at a gamers' convention back in the raw-VHS and import-LD 80's, and laughing that even if you technically didn't know what K&Y were arguing about this time, you still had a pretty close idea....It was a cultural thunderbolt to find out that Those Mysterious Japanese not only actually had a sense of humor (which you sure wouldn't have found out from Voltron reruns), but a rather silly one as well.
The ability to win viewers on a first cold viewing is the mark of a classic...Pick any other comedy that hooked you on your first anime-virgin experience, and see what they had in common.

Slightly pretentious to even consider your blog an example of anything, even anicdotal evidence, no offense. Something better would say be sales figures for ADV's releases. I'm not convinced they sold poorly, since it's obvious they went OOP due to license issues.

Also, it wasn't given the top cream of ADV's marketing--
Action shows like EVA and Nadesico got all the publicity, and "Original DP" OAV was not only marketed as a B-tier action title, but as a mere "spinoff" for those already hooked on Dirty Pair Flash, of which there were understandably not that many.
To the older generation, a first-episode-addictive Classic is a Classic; it's just a job teaching those young kids today with their iPods, hula-hoops and Naruto reruns.

[DocWatson]

Streamline picutres licensed the 3 DP OVAs(Affair On Nolandia,Girls With guns,Damsels in Destruction) and two films for distribution in the U.S. way back in 1990.
You're a bit confused. The sum of Dirty Pair animation:

• A short clip in Crusher Joe: The Movie (http://fast.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=561)*

• Dirty Pair TV (http://fast.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=57) (24 episodes)

• Dirty Pair: With Love From the Lovely Angels OAVs (http://fast.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=593) (two unbroadcast television episodes)

• Dirty Pair OAVs (http://fast.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=262)@ (ten episodes created to supplement the television series on Italian TV; collected by ADV as "Original Dirty Pair: Girls With Guns" and "Original Dirty Pair: Damsels in Destruction")

• Affair on Nolandia (http://fast.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=592) (OAV)#@

• Dirty Pair: Project Eden (http://fast.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=585) (movie)#@

• Flight 005 Conspiracy (http://fast.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=594) (OAV)#@

• Dirty Pair Flash (http://fast.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=261) (OAVs)@

* Licensed by AnimEigo
# Licensed by Streamline Pictures
@ Licensed by A.D. Vision/ADV Films

Also, in reply to the general topic, see "Ask John: Will the Dirty Pair TV Series Ever Be Released in the US?" (http://www.animenation.net/blog/2006/12/07/ask-john-will-the-dirty-pair-tv-series-ever-be-released-in-the-us/)

[DocWatson]

MMMMM, Yawara!, and Urusei Yatsura?

Very bad examples, their release has more to do with the way AnimEigo is, as opposed to the actual popularity of the series.

Very astute. :) AE's own titles have a personal appeal to its CEO Robert Woodhead, & his wife IIRC.
I'm not sure about his wife, but IIRC Woodhead has state that his mother, Janice Hindle, has to approve the licensing of all series.

[djanss]

MMMMM, Yawara!, and Urusei Yatsura?

Very bad examples, their release has more to do with the way AnimEigo is, as opposed to the actual popularity of the series.

Very astute. :) AE's own titles have a personal appeal to its CEO Robert Woodhead, & his wife IIRC.
I'm not sure about his wife, but IIRC Woodhead has state that his mother, Janice Hindle, has to approve the licensing of all series.

And are we STILL, years later, on the candlelit-vigil myth of "Someday AE will license another series that's anime and not live-action samurai"??
(Despite the fact that the only anime series they've licensed in literally the past five years was one they announced in the 90's, because they "promised" they'd finish it someday, and still have yet to ship a Vol. 1?)

And I thought "Someday animated series will come back to MTV!" fans were living in tragic denial... :(

[Njr Scrawl]

The "80s vibe" is from movies like Lethal Weapon, Beverly Hills Cop, Top Gun, Die Hard, Stars Wars, Total Recall & other tough guy/girl movies where there was humour & wisecracks among carnage & (often total) destruction.

Black Lagoon has actually revived the 80s feel in anime, but in a more macabre, disturbing way.

[PhilipReuben]

And are we STILL, years later, on the candlelit-vigil myth of "Someday AE will license another series that's anime and not live-action samurai"??
(Despite the fact that the only anime series they've licensed in literally the past five years was one they announced in the 90's, because they "promised" they'd finish it someday, and still have yet to ship a Vol. 1?)

Guh? You seem to be completely ignoring Yawara, which they licensed because it won a fan vote a couple of years ago, and which they have already released the first box set of.

[djanss]

And are we STILL, years later, on the candlelit-vigil myth of "Someday AE will license another series that's anime and not live-action samurai"??
(Despite the fact that the only anime series they've licensed in literally the past five years was one they announced in the 90's, because they "promised" they'd finish it someday, and still have yet to ship a Vol. 1?)

Guh? You seem to be completely ignoring Yawara, which they licensed because it won a fan vote a couple of years ago, and which they have already released the first box set of.

"A couple"?? Try twelve years ago.

(Ie., back when we thought UY would be permanently stuck at Vol. 20, and they needed one more meal ticket.
Back when they had mailing lists. Also, back when they still actually released anime.)

[PhilipReuben]

"A couple"?? Try twelve years ago.

That's not what happened, sorry. They licensed Yawara in 2006 (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2006-08-17/animeigo-picks-up-yawara), as I thought - and I very clearly remember (as do plenty of others here, I'm sure) the vote that was held on their site immediately before that to determine which anime series they should license next.

Maybe they hinted at licensing Yawara in the past, and you misunderstood.

[djanss]

"A couple"?? Try twelve years ago.

That's not what happened, sorry. They licensed Yawara in 2006 (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2006-08-17/animeigo-picks-up-yawara), as I thought - and I very clearly remember (as do plenty of others here, I'm sure) the vote that was held on their site immediately before that to determine which anime series they should license next.

Maybe they hinted at licensing Yawara in the past, and you misunderstood.

Ah, yes, believe the vote was taken back in '96 (which constitutes said "hinting"), and stayed in limbo for the next ten years, while they finished up UY and Macross, and NEVER DISPLAYED ANY VISIBLE INTEREST IN LICENSING A SINGLE OTHER ANIMATED SERIES!!!! during that time...Hence the confusion. :)

(All of which is getting us off the point that:
A) the Pair is immortally cute, and Cute transcends all 80's-whines now and forever,
B) if there's a reason ADV couldn't sell it before, it wasn't their fault!, and
C) Vanilla Ice has a better chance at a comeback than AE's interest in being an anime company, if that's who you're hoping will rescue some other ADV license.
It helps to clarify the thread, from time to time.)

[J-Syxx]

That vote took place 2 years ago not in 1996, you're tripping dude.

[LordGeo]

"A couple"?? Try twelve years ago.

That's not what happened, sorry. They licensed Yawara in 2006 (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2006-08-17/animeigo-picks-up-yawara), as I thought - and I very clearly remember (as do plenty of others here, I'm sure) the vote that was held on their site immediately before that to determine which anime series they should license next.

Maybe they hinted at licensing Yawara in the past, and you misunderstood.

Ah, yes, believe the vote was taken back in '96 (which constitutes said "hinting"), and stayed in limbo for the next ten years, while they finished up UY and Macross, and NEVER DISPLAYED ANY VISIBLE INTEREST IN LICENSING A SINGLE OTHER ANIMATED SERIES!!!! during that time...Hence the confusion. :)

Hey, ever thought that maybe, just maybe, you're both correct?

Yes, AnimEigo officially licensed Yawara! in late 2006/early 2007 and had a contest on these very forums (well, technically the old forums) to see who could guess it (they called it what they should do next) and receive the series for free, which Slerch won and so very lovingly kept reminding us of.

But pretty much anyone who knew AnimEigo's past knew that they have wanted to do Yawara! for a long time, 1996 to be exact, so Slerch took advantage of that and guessed what seemed to be the obvious answer.

So, in the end, you're both correct. AnimEigo had always wanted to do Yawara!, but didn't start doing it until a couple of years ago, since there were other shows they wanted to do as well.

[AstroNerdBoy]

If the TV Dirty Pair is licensed, great. I'll pick it up. However, I can't see it being licensed in today's anime market.

[Daimao Raki]

If the TV Dirty Pair is licensed, great. I'll pick it up. However, I can't see it being licensed in today's anime market.
I'd buy it(boxset only though).

[Jimmie M]

If the TV Dirty Pair is licensed, great. I'll pick it up. However, I can't see it being licensed in today's anime market.
I'd buy it(boxset only though).

I'd buy it too.

[Justin T. Williams]

I don't know if anyone is listening, but I would buy this in a white hot minute!

So if your out there Bandai this is a hint! :)

[Njr Scrawl]

Yawara was suggested by AE way back when they had a which-of-these poll. It was beaten by YUA TV, but didn't come far behind IIRC. The original poll was a good time ago, I'm not sure if it even pre-dated Macross, before AE got Macross. There may have been others since....

[JINROH]

If the TV Dirty Pair is licensed, great. I'll pick it up. However, I can't see it being licensed in today's anime market.


So will I ! Next year would be the 30th anniversary of the series start would it not ?

[Bumble]

Also, it wasn't given the top cream of ADV's marketing--
Action shows like EVA and Nadesico got all the publicity, and "Original DP" OAV was not only marketed as a B-tier action title, but as a mere "spinoff" for those already hooked on Dirty Pair Flash, of which there were understandably not that many.

This is an important point considering David Williams made no secret of his great love of the Dirty Pair (especially when he used to post here), yet even he couldn't influence ADV to better market the property. Maybe they simply knew no matter how hard they tried, they'd never pick up new fans for an 80s property?

As for AnimEgo, there's still a few translations of theirs yet to receive DVD releases (including the already-on-R2 Genesis Survivor Gaiarth), which adds to the unlikely chance of them ever touching Dirty Pair.

[PhilipReuben]

Hey, ever thought that maybe, just maybe, you're both correct?

I'm not sure how this makes us both correct. To me it looks just like I said - djanss misunderstood AnimEigo's wording and thought they had announced Yawara as licensed in 1996. From what you and others have said, it seems at that time they merely expressed interest in licensing it as part of a poll that it didn't even win.

Even if Yawara wasn't a surprising license, the fact is that they licensed a new (old) series two years ago. Once they're finished with it, there's every chance they could license another anime series, Dirty Pair or otherwise.

[Njr Scrawl]

AE lost Genesis Survivor Gaiarth & did not renew the license.

[Isuzu Inugami]

What made Dirty Pair:

Chicks with guns
Dialog between Kei and Yuri
SF setting
The 80s vibe (hard to explain)

And a healthy dose of Yuri. ;)

Indeed. Yuri makes up no less than 50% of the Dirty Pair. :catgirl:



If the TV Dirty Pair is licensed, great. I'll pick it up. However, I can't see it being licensed in today's anime market.
I'd buy it(boxset only though).

I'd buy it too.

I don't know if anyone is listening, but I would buy this in a white hot minute!


So we agree that while we'd all snatch it up in an instant, there's no interest in the show. Right-O. =P

[danth78]

AE lost Genesis Survivor Gaiarth & did not renew the license.

Then Media Blasters or ADV should license it. Gaiarth freaking rocks.

[Njr Scrawl]

Indeed. Yuri makes up no less than 50% of the Dirty Pair.

There are 2 scenes where Yuri is topless....

[joelgundam01]

So we agree that while we'd all snatch it up in an instant, there's no interest in the show. Right-O. =P

There's a big difference between actual popularity and the AOD forum community. If these board really made a difference, then several niche titles would be in the top 10 sales charts by now. :sd:

[Isuzu Inugami]

So we agree that while we'd all snatch it up in an instant, there's no interest in the show. Right-O. =P

There's a big difference between actual popularity and the AOD forum community. If these board really made a difference, then several niche titles would be in the top 10 sales charts by now. :sd:

While my comment was tongue in cheek, I'd like to point out that it isn't as if there's no correlation between these boards and reality, and that several niche titles at least exist over here and seem to be doing well enough to be considered worth their license costs. No one is seriously saying Dirty Pair TV would be a top ten title; that doesn't mean it couldn't succeed here if the Japanese are realistic about the license cost. Which is quite the big "if", but we really have no knowledge about that side of things.

[J-Syxx]

What made Dirty Pair:

Chicks with guns
Dialog between Kei and Yuri
SF setting
The 80s vibe (hard to explain)

And a healthy dose of Yuri. ;)

Indeed. Yuri makes up no less than 50% of the Dirty Pair. :catgirl:

Speaking of the other kind of yuri, I haven't actually seen the tv series, but I have looked at a lot of images from calendars released for the tv show. It's all original art, and in pretty much all of them Kei is in drag and they all make them look like a couple. XD For example:

http://yuriheart.com/gallery/albums/DP/DP87cal-dec.jpg
http://yuriheart.com/gallery/albums/DP/dp90cal-jun.jpg

Or this ridiculous cosplay:
http://yuriheart.com/gallery/albums/DP/dp90cal-aug.jpg

Does this have any relation to the actual tv show, considering I'm a big yuri/tomboy fan? XD

Flight 005 Conspiracy was rather suggestive at points, but I'm wondering whether or not the tv series is as well. And the butcher Kei is the better for me. xD

[Isuzu Inugami]

Speaking of the other kind of yuri, I haven't actually seen the tv series, but I have looked at a lot of images from calendars released for the tv show. It's all original art, and in pretty much all of them Kei is in drag and they all make them look like a couple. XD For example:

http://yuriheart.com/gallery/albums/DP/DP87cal-dec.jpg
http://yuriheart.com/gallery/albums/DP/dp90cal-jun.jpg

Or this ridiculous cosplay:
http://yuriheart.com/gallery/albums/DP/dp90cal-aug.jpg

Does this have any relation to the actual tv show, considering I'm a big yuri/tomboy fan? XD

Flight 005 Conspiracy was rather suggestive at points, but I'm wondering whether or not the tv series is as well. And the butcher Kei is the better for me. xD

Kei and Yuri are both pretty straight, and their tendency to drool over any good-looking guy they meet is played comically, alongside their almost inevitable failure to get said guy.

[Njr Scrawl]

Kei is a tomboy, but is a softie deep down. Both girls dream of rich guys for partners, & both attract them. Both girls can be hard killers though, as the TV series, OVAs & specials show.

What is so appealing about Kei & Yuri, is that they bicker like sisters &/or a married couple (Yuri is more mercenary & meaner IMO, she the main negociator for pay & holiday), but they get each job done - just with a lot of collateral damage!

Dirty Pair was a show ahead of its time for action character personality relationships. If it was made today, by Gonzo for example, it would be a hit like Kiddy Grade or Black Lagoon.

[Konoha]

Hey, ever thought that maybe, just maybe, you're both correct?

I'm not sure how this makes us both correct. To me it looks just like I said - djanss misunderstood AnimEigo's wording and thought they had announced Yawara as licensed in 1996. From what you and others have said, it seems at that time they merely expressed interest in licensing it as part of a poll that it didn't even win.

Even if Yawara wasn't a surprising license, the fact is that they licensed a new (old) series two years ago. Once they're finished with it, there's every chance they could license another anime series, Dirty Pair or otherwise.

I remember that poll, it asked "Which of these would you like to see us do?"

You're Under Arrest TV
Yawara
Yu Yu Hakusho
Fancy Lala

Since the others were licensed by other companies, I always wondered if they'd hold another poll or ask again about interest in Yawara, but it looks like they sold enough samurai movies to afford it :D

[TornadoTatsumaki]

Speaking of the other kind of yuri, I haven't actually seen the tv series, but I have looked at a lot of images from calendars released for the tv show. It's all original art, and in pretty much all of them Kei is in drag and they all make them look like a couple. XD For example:

http://yuriheart.com/gallery/albums/DP/DP87cal-dec.jpg
http://yuriheart.com/gallery/albums/DP/dp90cal-jun.jpg

Or this ridiculous cosplay:
http://yuriheart.com/gallery/albums/DP/dp90cal-aug.jpg

Does this have any relation to the actual tv show, considering I'm a big yuri/tomboy fan? XD

Flight 005 Conspiracy was rather suggestive at points, but I'm wondering whether or not the tv series is as well. And the butcher Kei is the better for me. xD

Kei and Yuri are both pretty straight, and their tendency to drool over any good-looking guy they meet is played comically, alongside their almost inevitable failure to get said guy.

Both Kei and Yuri have love interests in the OAV and movies. In the 8th episode of the OAV, Yuri falls in love with the youngest son of a mafia boss named "Carine"( In it Saeko Shimazu gives one her best vocal preformances ever!

In Project Eden, Kei falls for a bandit named "Carson D. Carson" who steals a vintage wine bottle.

Carine is a very robust and slim type of guy while Carson is a buff, and hulking. Which explains why Kei says her type is all muscle and Yuri always goes for the good looking guys.

[Daniel_Perales]

Dirty Pair was a show ahead of its time for action character personality relationships. If it was made today, by Gonzo for example, it would be a hit like Kiddy Grade or Black Lagoon.

Now there's an idea......


Danny

[KudosForce]

Dirty Pair was a show ahead of its time for action character personality relationships. If it was made today, by Gonzo for example, it would be a hit like Kiddy Grade or Black Lagoon.

Now there's an idea......


Danny

That's for sure, considering how Gonzo generally have better results when they do adaptations...

[TornadoTatsumaki]

Dirty Pair was a show ahead of its time for action character personality relationships. If it was made today, by Gonzo for example, it would be a hit like Kiddy Grade or Black Lagoon.

Now there's an idea......


Danny
Are you talking about a possible Funimation license?

That would be awesome! And a re-dub of the OAVs would be cool too. Colleen Clinkenbeard as Kei and Laura Bailey as Yuri would be interesting as well.

(Reason why I'm refrencing Funimation cause they love Gonzo so much.)

[dragoon]

If Gonzo....

They'd be without pants... oh wait.... nevermind. ;)

[J-Syxx]

Speaking of the other kind of yuri, I haven't actually seen the tv series, but I have looked at a lot of images from calendars released for the tv show. It's all original art, and in pretty much all of them Kei is in drag and they all make them look like a couple. XD For example:

http://yuriheart.com/gallery/albums/DP/DP87cal-dec.jpg
http://yuriheart.com/gallery/albums/DP/dp90cal-jun.jpg

Or this ridiculous cosplay:
http://yuriheart.com/gallery/albums/DP/dp90cal-aug.jpg

Does this have any relation to the actual tv show, considering I'm a big yuri/tomboy fan? XD

Flight 005 Conspiracy was rather suggestive at points, but I'm wondering whether or not the tv series is as well. And the butcher Kei is the better for me. xD

Kei and Yuri are both pretty straight, and their tendency to drool over any good-looking guy they meet is played comically, alongside their almost inevitable failure to get said guy.

Both Kei and Yuri have love interests in the OAV and movies. In the 8th episode of the OAV, Yuri falls in love with the youngest son of a mafia boss named "Carine"( In it Saeko Shimazu gives one her best vocal preformances ever!

In Project Eden, Kei falls for a bandit named "Carson D. Carson" who steals a vintage wine bottle.

Carine is a very robust and slim type of guy while Carson is a buff, and hulking. Which explains why Kei says her type is all muscle and Yuri always goes for the good looking guys.
Ok, well two things:

1. I asked about the tv, you're talking about the movies and OVAs.
2. Yeah, I realize they like guys, lol, but that doesn't stop it from it still being slashy. For example in Flight 005, they remark on some guy being hot but still appear to be flirty with eachother at different moments. Also in the original novel they're psychic connection is played up as being some what sexualized. Thus them waking up looking really sweaty after the vision they share in the nude in Flight of the Nolandia. Half the girls I dated in real-life were bi-sexual to some degree, so that's always a possibility with fictional characters, as well.

[Daimao Raki]

Gonzo could just do a remake.

[Fencedude]

Gonzo could just do a remake.

They did that already (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=891)

[J-Syxx]

Gonzo could just do a remake.
Kiddy Grade to me was kinda like generic Dirty Pair. XD May as well have them do a total remake then. I definitely want more DP, however they do it.

[TornadoTatsumaki]

Speaking of the other kind of yuri, I haven't actually seen the tv series, but I have looked at a lot of images from calendars released for the tv show. It's all original art, and in pretty much all of them Kei is in drag and they all make them look like a couple. XD For example:

http://yuriheart.com/gallery/albums/DP/DP87cal-dec.jpg
http://yuriheart.com/gallery/albums/DP/dp90cal-jun.jpg

Or this ridiculous cosplay:
http://yuriheart.com/gallery/albums/DP/dp90cal-aug.jpg

Does this have any relation to the actual tv show, considering I'm a big yuri/tomboy fan? XD

Flight 005 Conspiracy was rather suggestive at points, but I'm wondering whether or not the tv series is as well. And the butcher Kei is the better for me. xD

Kei and Yuri are both pretty straight, and their tendency to drool over any good-looking guy they meet is played comically, alongside their almost inevitable failure to get said guy.

Both Kei and Yuri have love interests in the OAV and movies. In the 8th episode of the OAV, Yuri falls in love with the youngest son of a mafia boss named "Carine"( In it Saeko Shimazu gives one her best vocal preformances ever!

In Project Eden, Kei falls for a bandit named "Carson D. Carson" who steals a vintage wine bottle.

Carine is a very robust and slim type of guy while Carson is a buff, and hulking. Which explains why Kei says her type is all muscle and Yuri always goes for the good looking guys.
Ok, well two things:

1. I asked about the tv, you're talking about the movies and OVAs.
2. Yeah, I realize they like guys, lol, but that doesn't stop it from it still being slashy. For example in Flight 005, they remark on some guy being hot but still appear to be flirty with eachother at different moments. Also in the original novel they're psychic connection is played up as being some what sexualized. Thus them waking up looking really sweaty after the vision they share in the nude in Flight of the Nolandia. Half the girls I dated in real-life were bi-sexual to some degree, so that's always a possibility with fictional characters, as well.

Are you trying make me pop in my "Flight 005" DVD?

Yeah, I know about that scene in AON) It's at the beginning and I know that there's a minor bit of lesbian undertones in this OAV being that Samara Gallan is thier chief instead of Gooley but if you really want to be black-and-white about it you can assume that the Lovely Angels are bi-curious.

[Solid Slap]

I'm late to the party, but I'd love for this to be true. Being that the source is Youtube I'm seriously doubting it is true, but that doesn't change the fact that if BE were to release it in a set I'd definitely pick it up.

[Njr Scrawl]

Gonzo could just do a remake.
Kiddy Grade to me was kinda like generic Dirty Pair. XD May as well have them do a total remake then. I definitely want more DP, however they do it.

While Eclair could be an updated Kei-Yuri, Lumiere most definitely is not.

What makes DP TV so good is its relatively uncomplicated & standalone stories, no filler, There are many different scenarios in different places & on different planets. And the girls attitude - work is to pay for luxury & vacations. Gratification is from leisure & romance, not the need to kill or wreck - unless its for personal reasons!

I get the same kick from FMP as DP. Go figure. :)

[J-Syxx]

Are you trying make me pop in my "Flight 005" DVD?

Yeah, I know about that scene in AON) It's at the beginning and I know that there's a minor bit of lesbian undertones in this OAV being that Samara Gallan is thier chief instead of Gooley but if you really want to be black-and-white about it you can assume that the Lovely Angels are bi-curious.

Well if you want to go ahead. lol I don't get what you're saying bout having a different chief, but there was the scene where Kei pinches Yuri's ass if that's the one you are referring to. However, there's also the whole scene back in the hotel between them when Yuri is trying to playfully get her way with her including rubbing her cheek against Kei's and it seems to be working quite well.

Other random stuff:

1. I think during the OVA episode where Yuri is going to marry that gangster, Yuri asks Kei if she's jealous, becuase Kei seems so suspicious and mad about it.
2. In the novel, which is told from Kei's point of view, she remarks a number of times about how great Yuri's body is, saying and I quote, "There are times when I stop short just looking at her, and we're the same sex!" I've heard later novels are even more suggestive of Kei/Yuri slash.

[Fencedude]

What makes DP TV so good is its relatively uncomplicated & standalone stories, no filler, There are many different scenarios in different places & on different planets. And the girls attitude - work is to pay for luxury & vacations. Gratification is from leisure & romance, not the need to kill or wreck - unless its for personal reasons!


We call that "episodic", its not that special.

[djanss]

1. I think during the OVA episode where Yuri is going to marry that gangster, Yuri asks Kei if she's jealous, becuase Kei seems so suspicious and mad about it.

Although it's also made clear that the Pair's hope for an "island vacation" would be boy-filled, and Kei doesn't have much chance in her bar-waitress cover...
Kei's orchestra-burst :angry: reaction to seeing Yuri with the gangster can also be classified as frustration that Yuri seems to be getting all the perks out of this job, while someone else has to do all the dirty work.

(If the TV series teaches us anything, it's that Kei is the much, MUCH more boy-crazy of the two, often to Yuri's more "acceptably" demure annoyance.)

[Njr Scrawl]

That's because Yuri is a boy-magnet, & knows it. She doesn't have to work to pick up guys. Kei is jealous of that IMO, & has a desperation as she knows Yuri is more glam.

[ZenAmako]

This was all taken to the logical next step in the "Star Trap" episode of Cream Lemon. :)

[TornadoTatsumaki]

This was all taken to the logical next step in the "Star Trap" episode of Cream Lemon. :)

Yup.

Speaking of the KeiXYuri, I thought it was the western novels that were far more in lesbian undertones plus, DP Flash is considered far more shojo-ai than any of the DP spinoffs.

[Legion]

That's because Yuri is a boy-magnet, & knows it. She doesn't have to work to pick up guys. Kei is jealous of that IMO, & has a desperation as she knows Yuri is more glam.

If they were real, or I was somehow transferred to their world, I'd personally be way more magnetized to Kei than Yuri..

[AstroNerdBoy]

Kei is a tomboy, but is a softie deep down. Both girls dream of rich guys for partners, & both attract them. Both girls can be hard killers though, as the TV series, OVAs & specials show.

Yuri even was to be married in one OVA episode IIRC. (I see Tornado mentions this as well.)

Dirty Pair was a show ahead of its time for action character personality relationships. If it was made today, by Gonzo for example, it would be a hit like Kiddy Grade or Black Lagoon.

Actually, when I saw Kiddy Grade, I immediately thought that the series is a modern take on Dirty Pair, only without the more realistic best friends of Yuri and Kei (with their bickering at times, as you mentioned).

I was highly disappointed by Dirty Pair Flash though. Ugh. That Yuri and Kei didn't have the same kind of bond that the original pair do.

Still, if the original characters were to get a special/movie/OVA/whatever, I'd be interested in seeing it, especially if the original seiyuu return.

[Isuzu Inugami]

Speaking of the KeiXYuri, I thought it was the western novels that were far more in lesbian undertones

I presume you mean the Adam Warren comics, which occasionally have other characters projecting assumed lesbianism on the Pair, but not really anything from the Pair themselves.

plus, DP Flash is considered far more shojo-ai than any of the DP spinoffs.

As I recall, nothing in series one, one episode in series two in which a one-episode character obsesses on one of them, and one scene in series three where they collapse in utter exhaustion into the same bed--when Kei wakes up and find's Yuri draped all over her, she is grossed out and (literally) kicks her out of bed.

It's not that I have anything against (small "y") yuri, but trying to find it in the Dirty Pair requires reading between the lines with industrial grade bifocals.

[JINROH]

Also, in reply to the general topic, see "Ask John: Will the Dirty Pair TV Series Ever Be Released in the US?" (http://www.animenation.net/blog/2006/12/07/ask-john-will-the-dirty-pair-tv-series-ever-be-released-in-the-us/)


Wow ! Never would have guessed he was such a huge fan of the series.

[J-Syxx]

As I recall, nothing in series one, one episode in series two in which a one-episode character obsesses on one of them, and one scene in series three where they collapse in utter exhaustion into the same bed--when Kei wakes up and find's Yuri draped all over her, she is grossed out and (literally) kicks her out of bed.


You forgot the scene in OVA three, where Kei subconsciously starts giving Yuri and massage and she is enjoying it. XD


It's not that I have anything against (small "y") yuri, but trying to find it in the Dirty Pair requires reading between the lines with industrial grade bifocals.
What I have seen is at least highly slashable. Certain couples are more slashable than others. If yaoi fans can do this all the time with out really hard evidence, so can yuri fans. lol However, I must digress a lot of the reaons why people ship them is from stuff that wasn't exactly done on accident. I'd say it's a fact that Kei and Yuri's phsyic connection in the original novel was done with a nice dose of homosexual overtone. The way it reads it's almost like sexual experience. So completely witting it off is overkill and not 100% factual either, imo. Note, it would be better if I could see the tv show to give my opinion on everything in it, so Bandai help me out here. lol

[KudosForce]

Note, it would be better if I could see the tv show to give my opinion on everything in it, so Bandai help me out here. lol

Luckily for you, the first 24 episodes are available on *snip*

edit: please do not recommend illegitimate sources of media. This site's focus is on legit content only.

[AstroNerdBoy]

I wasn't aware that anything beyond episode 10 had an unofficial translation.

[ColoradoJim]

What do you think is the closest modern equivalent of Dirty Pair? I know that some people mention Kiddy Grade but I never really felt any of the Dirty Pair vibe for that show. One that I'm currently watching that really has a lot of the Dirty Pair feel for me is Burn Up Scramble with the first two girls on the team, Rio and Maya. They do add a third character later on but the vibe I get is really those two girls. Massive destruction happens and if anything, Maya is even more gun crazy. They even have a groovy background for the title screens similar to the original series. The other Burn Up series and ova don't have the same feel. Mind you, I haven't seen all of the girls with gun series out there that might be a better match.

[KudosForce]

What do you think is the closest modern equivalent of Dirty Pair? I know that some people mention Kiddy Grade but I never really felt any of the Dirty Pair vibe for that show. One that I'm currently watching that really has a lot of the Dirty Pair feel for me is Burn Up Scramble with the first two girls on the team, Rio and Maya. They do add a third character later on but the vibe I get is really those two girls. Massive destruction happens and if anything, Maya is even more gun crazy. They even have a groovy background for the title screens similar to the original series. The other Burn Up series and ova don't have the same feel. Mind you, I haven't seen all of the girls with gun series out there that might be a better match.

There's Miami Guns, which was released by AN Entertainment a while back.

[Njr Scrawl]

What do you think is the closest modern equivalent of Dirty Pair? I know that some people mention Kiddy Grade but I never really felt any of the Dirty Pair vibe for that show. One that I'm currently watching that really has a lot of the Dirty Pair feel for me is Burn Up Scramble with the first two girls on the team, Rio and Maya. They do add a third character later on but the vibe I get is really those two girls. Massive destruction happens and if anything, Maya is even more gun crazy. They even have a groovy background for the title screens similar to the original series. The other Burn Up series and ova don't have the same feel. Mind you, I haven't seen all of the girls with gun series out there that might be a better match.

There's Miami Guns, which was released by AN Entertainment a while back.

Miami guns is like "hard girls" YUA, which was in turn trumped by the alternate reality YUA "No Mercy" OVA.

[KudosForce]

Miami guns is like "hard girls" YUA, which was in turn trumped by the alternate reality YUA "No Mercy" OVA.

That was the closest thing I could think of.

Besides, the YUA "No Mercy" OVA only lasts 24 minutes and has a bad reputation among YUA fans.

[SMaxson]

What do you think is the closest modern equivalent of Dirty Pair?

Hyperdoll. Slayers Movies/OVAs, maybe.

[KudosForce]

What do you think is the closest modern equivalent of Dirty Pair?

Hyperdoll. Slayers Movies/OVAs, maybe.

Ahh, yes. I forgot about those.

Edit: I just remembered! Pretty Cure may fit the bill, considering that it's supposed to be a magical girl equivalent of Dirty Pair. The first few episodes are available for download on Crunchyroll (you may have to pay for it, though).

[Skywise]

I wasn't aware that anything beyond episode 10 had an unofficial translation.

They didn't.

[J-Syxx]

Don't mean to keep this thread centered on my yuri obssession, but wasn't there an official radio drama where Flash Kei and Yuri pose as lesbians? lol

What do you think is the closest modern equivalent of Dirty Pair? I know that some people mention Kiddy Grade but I never really felt any of the Dirty Pair vibe for that show. One that I'm currently watching that really has a lot of the Dirty Pair feel for me is Burn Up Scramble with the first two girls on the team, Rio and Maya. They do add a third character later on but the vibe I get is really those two girls. Massive destruction happens and if anything, Maya is even more gun crazy. They even have a groovy background for the title screens similar to the original series. The other Burn Up series and ova don't have the same feel. Mind you, I haven't seen all of the girls with gun series out there that might be a better match.
Yeah there really isn't much imo that matches the cool, two girl team thing. At least none that I can think of right now.

I agree with about Kiddy Grade which I only moderately enjoyed. It's obviously though a tribute to all those cool scifi girl shows from the 80's such as Gall Force, Dirty Pair, Bubblegum Crisis etc.

[Fencedude]

Yeah there really isn't much imo that matches the cool, two girl team thing. At least none that I can think of right now.


Takamachi Nanoha and Fate Testarossa

Subaru Nakajima and Teana Lanster (you could make a great Dirty Pair type show with these two)

[AstroNerdBoy]

Miami guns is like "hard girls" YUA, which was in turn trumped by the alternate reality YUA "No Mercy" OVA.

That was the closest thing I could think of.

Besides, the YUA "No Mercy" OVA only lasts 24 minutes and has a bad reputation among YUA fans.

It is good for one watch though, just so you can get a laugh at how the Japanese view law enforcement in the U.S.

Hard to believe that Dirty Pair was another of those seeds planted in my head back in 1989 though which would ultimately lead me to becoming an anime fan in 2002. Back then, I argued with my good friend and roommate that any "cartoon" where the two leads went to fight wearing skimpy costumes was not only unrealistic, but stupid. *lol* Well, I still won't use the dopey line saying that their bare skin is covered with a substance that acts like an armor. :P

[Njr Scrawl]

Another older show ADV only released on VHS, that was Dirty Pair with swords, was Gude Crest. I'd like that on DVD, if they still have the license.

Nanoha & Fate...um, not sure. Not irreverent enough.

What is closest these days may be pairs of 1 male & 1 female, the female being as kickass as her male partner. Motoko Kusanagi & Batou, Deunan Knute & Briareros for example, although both those had their roots in the OVA/movie-from-manga age.

There are also pairs tied into stories, like Marlene & Yuji from Blue Gender, Shinji & Asuka or Rei in Evangelion &/like dysfunctional pairs who only come together when needed, like some in My Hime.

But the most well-known all-female pair, among fans anyway, & definitely most yuri, are Sailors Senshi Uranus & Neptune in Sailor Moon. They are rough tough ruthless soldiers, & fight as dirty as they consider neccessary.

[Njr Scrawl]

MMMMM, Yawara!, and Urusei Yatsura?

Very bad examples, their release has more to do with the way AnimEigo is, as opposed to the actual popularity of the series.

Very astute. :) AE's own titles have a personal appeal to its CEO Robert Woodhead, & his wife IIRC.
I'm not sure about his wife, but IIRC Woodhead has state that his mother, Janice Hindle, has to approve the licensing of all series.

He mentions Janice... Natsumi is his wife?

On the yuri-ness of the Lovely Angels, the cover pic of Affair on Nolandia, can give an impression that the girls might be more than good friends ;)
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=592

[djanss]

On the yuri-ness of the Lovely Angels, the cover pic of Affair on Nolandia, can give an impression that the girls might be more than good friends ;)
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=592

But most fans consider that Naolandia was first out of the gate (after Crusher Joe), and isn't the "real" TV/OVA Pair we know, love and run screaming in panic from...

(And before we get stuck on "Well, this show's got two girls in it!" comparisons, the appeal of the LA's was their, um...semi-competence to get the job done, which puts both Slayers versions in good comparison.)

[Njr Scrawl]

"Most fans" :laugh:

Of course AoN is the same Kei & Yuri. The character designs might make them less cartoony looking, but they are definitely the same.

What should be considered, is that the Flash pair & their show damaged the original DP's reputation. :relief:

[J-Syxx]

On the yuri-ness of the Lovely Angels, the cover pic of Affair on Nolandia, can give an impression that the girls might be more than good friends ;)
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=592

But most fans consider that Naolandia was first out of the gate (after Crusher Joe), and isn't the "real" TV/OVA Pair we know, love and run screaming in panic from...

(And before we get stuck on "Well, this show's got two girls in it!" comparisons, the appeal of the LA's was their, um...semi-competence to get the job done, which puts both Slayers versions in good comparison.)

Have you seen any of the japanese covers for the TV show? XD Example:

*IMAGE REMOVED*

Second point, Affair of the Nolandia was released during the tv show's run.

[Fencedude]

What should be considered, is that the Flash pair & their show damaged the original DP's reputation. :relief:

Because of course absolutely no one likes Flash just as much as the original, right? Sure thats impossible.

[TornadoTatsumaki]

MMMMM, Yawara!, and Urusei Yatsura?

Very bad examples, their release has more to do with the way AnimEigo is, as opposed to the actual popularity of the series.

Very astute. :) AE's own titles have a personal appeal to its CEO Robert Woodhead, & his wife IIRC.
I'm not sure about his wife, but IIRC Woodhead has state that his mother, Janice Hindle, has to approve the licensing of all series.

He mentions Janice... Natsumi is his wife?

On the yuri-ness of the Lovely Angels, the cover pic of Affair on Nolandia, can give an impression that the girls might be more than good friends ;)
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=592

(Looks over at his copy of AON.) Well out of all the DP OAVs, this one is probably the most pseudo-lesbian of them all. You got several nude scenes,convulted storyline,no sign of Chief Gooley Samara Gallan instead, and Kei and Yuri frolicking in the jungle for no apparant reason, ANN hated it but I love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!;)

Wasn't Affair on Nolandia made before the TV series begin? I was supposed to have been released in late 1985, but I thought it was a promotional OAV released in June 1985 for the TV upcoming series.

[KudosForce]

What should be considered, is that the Flash pair & their show damaged the original DP's reputation. :relief:

Because of course absolutely no one likes Flash just as much as the original, right? Sure thats impossible.

Well, Chris Beveridge seems to have liked it, judging by the reviews he did for Flash.

Of course, your mileage may vary.

Incidentally, Takahiro Kimura was the character designer for that series.

[bctaris]

What should be considered, is that the Flash pair & their show damaged the original DP's reputation. :relief:

Because of course absolutely no one likes Flash just as much as the original, right? Sure thats impossible.

*raises hand*

I am indeed an impossibility.

(I first knew DP through Warren's comics, but I didn't get into the original DP anime much until after Flash opened me up a bit more. I like all parts of the franchise pretty equally.)

[J-Syxx]

What should be considered, is that the Flash pair & their show damaged the original DP's reputation. :relief:

Because of course absolutely no one likes Flash just as much as the original, right? Sure thats impossible.

*raises hand*

I am indeed an impossibility.

(I first knew DP through Warren's comics, but I didn't get into the original DP anime much until after Flash opened me up a bit more. I like all parts of the franchise pretty equally.)

The 2nd and 3rd Flash OVAs I felt were great. Unfortunately, I think a lot of people were turned off by the first one which isn't as funny.

[Isuzu Inugami]

What should be considered, is that the Flash pair & their show damaged the original DP's reputation. :relief:

Because of course absolutely no one likes Flash just as much as the original, right? Sure thats impossible.

*raises hand*

I am indeed an impossibility.

(I first knew DP through Warren's comics, but I didn't get into the original DP anime much until after Flash opened me up a bit more. I like all parts of the franchise pretty equally.)

The 2nd and 3rd Flash OVAs I felt were great. Unfortunately, I think a lot of people were turned off by the first one which isn't as funny.

Another impossibility here. I too like all parts of the franchise equally. And even the first Flash OVAs--while the original pair was pretty much just a series of one-off episodes that can be watched in just about any order, the first Flash OVAs offer a chance to see some character development against a deeper storyline (before Flash eventually devolves to a series of one-off episodes that can be watched in just about any order. Heh.)

[Fencedude]

Another impossibility here. I too like all parts of the franchise equally. And even the first Flash OVAs--while the original pair was pretty much just a series of one-off episodes that can be watched in just about any order, the first Flash OVAs offer a chance to see some character development against a deeper storyline (before Flash eventually devolves to a series of one-off episodes that can be watched in just about any order. Heh.)

Exactly. While episodic adventures are nice to an extent, I really do prefer to have a good (or at least, existent) plot to back them up.

Unless its truly execrable on every level, a show with a plot to back up itself up will always be preferable to monster/event of the week type structure.

This is also why I generally have little patience for shows that exceed about 50 episodes.

(pay no attention to the SM boxes on my shelves!)

[J-Syxx]

Another impossibility here. I too like all parts of the franchise equally. And even the first Flash OVAs--while the original pair was pretty much just a series of one-off episodes that can be watched in just about any order, the first Flash OVAs offer a chance to see some character development against a deeper storyline (before Flash eventually devolves to a series of one-off episodes that can be watched in just about any order. Heh.)

Exactly. While episodic adventures are nice to an extent, I really do prefer to have a good (or at least, existent) plot to back them up.

Unless its truly execrable on every level, a show with a plot to back up itself up will always be preferable to monster/event of the week type structure.

This is also why I generally have little patience for shows that exceed about 50 episodes.

(pay no attention to the SM boxes on my shelves!)

Actually I wish more shows with a plot went over 50 episodes. There are so many shows that try to jam so much crap into the last few episodes of a 26 episode series, it gets ridiculous. I actually think 35-55 would be better for most plot intensive shows, such as Tomino did in the 80's.

And the 2nd Flash OVA DID have a continuing plot. It just seemed to not have becuase of the episodic nature of it. Over all, I found it more entertaining becuase of the execution. lol

[Fencedude]

Actually I wish more shows with a plot went over 50 episodes. There are so many shows that try to jam so much crap into the last few episodes of a 26 episode series, it gets ridiculous. I actually think 35-55 would be better for most plot intensive shows, such as Tomino did in the 80's.


Thats more a pacing issue than anything else.

And 80's mecha series, ESPECIALLY Tomino ones are by and large far too long. Also Tomino sucks at pacing even more than most directors.

[J-Syxx]

Actually I wish more shows with a plot went over 50 episodes. There are so many shows that try to jam so much crap into the last few episodes of a 26 episode series, it gets ridiculous. I actually think 35-55 would be better for most plot intensive shows, such as Tomino did in the 80's.


Thats more a pacing issue than anything else.

And 80's mecha series, ESPECIALLY Tomino ones are by and large far too long. Also Tomino sucks at pacing even more than most directors.

I know it's the envogue thing to hate Tomino now, isn't? What ever the case most series that are 26 episodes with decent sized casts end up with cluster-fuck endings. At least with Tomino you get to see all the characters storylines play out. When long shows get bad is when they are like Inuyasha or something and don't have a clear A to B plot mapped out after they start dragging on and on. In general I'm sick of the 26 episode format. Just because the Japanese stations demand the studios to adhere to that format doesn't mean it's the only or best way to do things.

[Fencedude]

I know it's the envogue thing to hate Tomino now, isn't?

I don't hate Tomino, in fact I very much like a number of his shows, but I also have a realistic appreciation of that fact that he's not perfect (very far from it in fact)

What ever the case most series that are 26 episodes with decent sized casts end up with cluster-fuck endings. At least with Tomino you get to see all the characters storylines play out. When long shows get bad is when they are like Inuyasha or something and don't have a clear A to B plot mapped out after they start dragging on and on. In general I'm sick of the 26 episode format. Just because the Japanese stations demand the studios to adhere to that format doesn't mean it's the only or best way to do things.

I think 26 is the best general compromise, and most shows wouldn't really be helped that much by an increase in length, since the problem is more how the available space is used, not how much space there is.

[Njr Scrawl]

Whatever else may be thought of Tomino, his strong & weak points, he turned what was a kiddy show to market plastic robot kits & toys into one of the greatest epic fictional sagas of mankind told in animated form.

He also influenced future shows, stories & set standards of expectation that have done anime good for both sales & image.

Now back to Dirty Pair....

[Jimmie M]

What should be considered, is that the Flash pair & their show damaged the original DP's reputation. :relief:

Because of course absolutely no one likes Flash just as much as the original, right? Sure thats impossible.

*raises hand*

I am indeed an impossibility.

(I first knew DP through Warren's comics, but I didn't get into the original DP anime much until after Flash opened me up a bit more. I like all parts of the franchise pretty equally.)

The 2nd and 3rd Flash OVAs I felt were great. Unfortunately, I think a lot of people were turned off by the first one which isn't as funny.

Another impossibility here. I too like all parts of the franchise equally. And even the first Flash OVAs--while the original pair was pretty much just a series of one-off episodes that can be watched in just about any order, the first Flash OVAs offer a chance to see some character development against a deeper storyline (before Flash eventually devolves to a series of one-off episodes that can be watched in just about any order. Heh.)

One more impossibility here. Both versions are fun to watch IMO.

[KudosForce]

Actually I wish more shows with a plot went over 50 episodes. There are so many shows that try to jam so much crap into the last few episodes of a 26 episode series, it gets ridiculous. I actually think 35-55 would be better for most plot intensive shows, such as Tomino did in the 80's.


Thats more a pacing issue than anything else.

And 80's mecha series, ESPECIALLY Tomino ones are by and large far too long. Also Tomino sucks at pacing even more than most directors.

I know it's the envogue thing to hate Tomino now, isn't? What ever the case most series that are 26 episodes with decent sized casts end up with cluster-fuck endings. At least with Tomino you get to see all the characters storylines play out. When long shows get bad is when they are like Inuyasha or something and don't have a clear A to B plot mapped out after they start dragging on and on. In general I'm sick of the 26 episode format. Just because the Japanese stations demand the studios to adhere to that format doesn't mean it's the only or best way to do things.

I don't mind lenghty shows myself. They allow you to take the time to get to know the characters and get used to their behavior, as well as their idiosyncracies.

As for 26 episode series, doing a decent story in a short time CAN be done...if you know what you are doing. A more preferable option would be to have multiple seasons to tell different story arcs, or the entire story as a whole. Either that, or produce a 52-episode series to take the time to tell your tale.

For those who think 80's shows are too long, that's nothing compared to the length of Go Nagai's super robot shows (I'm currently watching the french dub of Grendizer, which is 74 episodes long)!

[JINROH]

For those who think 80's shows are too long, that's nothing compared to the length of Go Nagai's super robot shows (I'm currently watching the french dub of Grendizer, which is 74 episodes long)!


Good ol' Goldorak !! One of my all time fave anime series.

[Garasharp K7]

Heh. I managed to get through all 92 eps of Mazinger Z once. Took me two weeks to do it as well. Loved every bit of it. :) I forget how many eps Getter Robo had, but I breezed through that one too.
I do enjoy the lengthier stories myself. I saw Votoms for the first time earlier this year, and I was thoroughly engrossed. I thought the last arc with all its' revelations was paced pretty well at that.

[KudosForce]

Heh. I managed to get through all 92 eps of Mazinger Z once. Took me two weeks to do it as well. Loved every bit of it. :) I forget how many eps Getter Robo had, but I breezed through that one too.
I do enjoy the lengthier stories myself. I saw Votoms for the first time earlier this year, and I was thoroughly engrossed. I thought the last arc with all its' revelations was paced pretty well at that.

I'm planning to watch Mazinger Z once I'm done with Goldorak (in my homeland, Goldorak was a cult classic). Getter Robo may be trickier to watch, as episodes of it on the net are not easy to find.

Myself, I tend to pace myself when I watch shows by doing it the traditional way...one episode a week. I'm patient in that department, of course. It builds up suspense for the next episode. For me, it helps to watch more than one show (as seen on my sig).

Good ol' Goldorak !! One of my all time fave anime series.

It's nice to see another Goldorak lover on this forum (I've currently watched up to episode 17)! ^_^

[Vicserr]

For those who think 80's shows are too long, that's nothing compared to the length of Go Nagai's super robot shows (I'm currently watching the french dub of Grendizer, which is 74 episodes long)!

That's just because He rocks, I've see Great Mazinder (56 eps), or Mazinger Z (92 eps).