[JP] Evangelion 1.11

[muhootsaver]

HOLY MOTHER OF ...

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-02-19/anno-evangelion-2.0-film-slated-for-june-27-in-japan

"The new release will include new cuts and digital mastering. More details on King Record's news release will be made public on March 16."

May 27. I'll be sure to pre-order this one!

[Rhodes]

They are a bunch of douche bags.

How many months after this will there be a 1.20?

Will the Funimation release version be 1.0 or 1.01 or 1.11?

[braves]

Wow. >.>

I wonder if FUNi got the rights to this one as well and they haven't announced it yet. Or they just got screwed over and they'll have to pay for essentially the same movie twice if they want it....

[Danime]

Oh fuck off, I'm not getting this. There is such a thing as over-milking a franchise, although people seem to go crazy for Evangelion...

[muhootsaver]

Well, I think it's more like 1.11 is for releasing blu-ray. I doubt they have much added scene to it. Remember how they said they don't have plans to release 1.0 in blu-ray back when they released the first dvd? lol... I bet this is what they meant.

[Rhodes]

Regardless if 1.11 was always intended for BD for JP market... if the version Funimation licensed isnt 1.11 for release... JP just borked a number of their sales with this announcement.

Who in their right mind would buy the US DVD (BD?) release knowing that a more updated version exists elsewhere?

The only thing more the JP need to do is include the English dub and English subs with the BD 1.11 release and then folks can just skip the US release altogether, unless price is an issue.

[braves]

Who in their right mind would buy the US DVD (BD?) release knowing that a more updated version exists elsewhere?


I would. Some new cuts that'll probably be inconsequential and some "digital mastering" that'll fix some problems that I won't even notice do not woo me over.

[kakugo]

Oh fuck off, I'm not getting this.

So, how many times have you bought Evangelion 1.X? ;)

I knew better, and I've been more than happy to wait for an English friendly Blu-ray release (regardless of its' country of origin). I'll continue doing just that.

[Njr Scrawl]

I would get Eva TV on BD, since Evangelion TV is my #2 favourite show. But I'm dropping Rebuild altogether having bought 1.01 already, & been unimpressed.

What I would buy is End of Evangelion on BD, but that won't be released until 4.xx. Until then, upscaling DVD play will do.

[Danime]

Oh fuck off, I'm not getting this.

So, how many times have you bought Evangelion 1.X? ;)

The attraction of the initial (and very sexy indeed) 1.01 LE was my downfall :x

[Njr Scrawl]

The R2J has the best PQ. I'll be interested to know how much better the BG is.

The R3HK was worst PQ, then R4, 2nd best PQ is the German R2E. (Not seen the R3K or R3TW).

(I really wanted a Misato clip, & only got 00. :( )

[Geno]

They are a bunch of douche bags.

How many months after this will there be a 1.20?

Will the Funimation release version be 1.0 or 1.01 or 1.11?At least this is only a double dip considering 1.0 was never released on DVD, and it's finally available on Blu-Ray. What really confuses me is why the first release came from a film master when they could have easily released it with a digital master in the first place. I believe Funimation has mentioned 1.01 on their site so we will at least get that.

[Hayate Kurogane]

I'm getting it, having already bought the 1.01 R2J LE.

And, not for the first time, I'm amused by the reactions. I would've guessed that folks opposed to double-dipping or incremental upgrades for Evangelion would've finally figured out the concept of waiting after fourteen years. Maybe I'm giving folks too much credit. Besides, I guess someone has to keep the tired old "they're screwing me over" bit of conceit alive and kicking.

[Quarkboy]

I'm getting it, having already bought the 1.01 R2J LE.

And, not for the first time, I'm amused by the reactions. I would've guessed that folks opposed to double-dipping or incremental upgrades for Evangelion would've finally figured out the concept of waiting after fourteen years. Maybe I'm giving folks too much credit. Besides, I guess someone has to keep the tired old "they're screwing me over" bit of conceit alive and kicking.

I waited. And I am very happy by this announcement. The question I have is about the pricing... will we see normal R2 Blu-ray pricing or Bandai visual levels? i.e. 7000 yen or 10,000 yen?

[Buster Darkwings]

It will probably be about 1000 yen or so more than the LE DVD.

[Rhodes]

would you buy it again when the 3rd movie is out and they update movie 1 again. and when movie 4 comes out?

This incremental update is BS. With BD-Live you should be able to download the update and use seamless branching to get the new content. 1.11 is not listed with BD-Live. Yeah 1.11 may be the "final" version... but I very much doubt that. We'll see what will happen when the 3rd movie is scheduled to come out.

[kakugo]

When the third Rebuild movie comes out, we'll simply get Evangelion 2.11 You Can [Not] Advance. :P

The "Double Dip" phenomena for popular films should be expected by now. Nobody's holding you in Unit-01's hand and forcing you to buy it over and over again. They keep offering it, and you keep agreeing. If you're satisfied with the 1.01 DVD, Anno and friends aren't going to lose any sleep should you skip the Blu-ray.

If you'd rather wait for the Centenial Evangelion Edition, with an exclusice microchip they slip into your skull complete with smell-o-vision and 5D glasses, that's fine. Just imagine, the stale smell of Gendo in Terminal Dogma, and Shinji's fear-sweat stained laundry... oh, and Doritos. :)

[RyGuySays]

I don't understand how anybody is complaing about this? If they were just releasing 1.01 on Blu-ray none of you would be bitching. I bet most people would want to update anyway. The way I see it they're giving those who waited for Blu something special and maybe those who want to update their DVD something extra and maybe worth the price.

I for one waited so Im very excited to pick this up (hopefully)!

[Njr Scrawl]

would you buy it again when the 3rd movie is out and they update movie 1 again. and when movie 4 comes out?

This incremental update is BS. With BD-Live you should be able to download the update and use seamless branching to get the new content. 1.11 is not listed with BD-Live. Yeah 1.11 may be the "final" version... but I very much doubt that. We'll see what will happen when the 3rd movie is scheduled to come out.

1.99 would be the final version, sticking to 2 decimal places. :devil:

Why 1.11? I would have thought 1.02. Perhaps 1.12 will be the DVD "final" version i.e the 1.11 release, but on a DVD. :horse:

[Mazinkaizer]

Lucky for me that i didn't buy any of the movie's releases yet. Since i am so not on a hurry to watch EVA (which i am not a fan of in the 1st place) then i'll just wait until they release last movie on BD then start buying them all :devil:

[hikaru004]

Oh man, I'm having a headache now.

So potentially FUNi got screwed? Hoping the BD has subtitles.

[Hayate Kurogane]

would you buy it again when the 3rd movie is out and they update movie 1 again. and when movie 4 comes out?

I don't know about anyone else, but for me personally: maybe, maybe not. I'm not sure what your point is here, other than perhaps trying to force people to be as upset as you are, since you seem to have some issues with self-righteousness.

[Njr Scrawl]

Oh man, I'm having a headache now.

So potentially FUNi got screwed? Hoping the BD has subtitles.

Depends what the changes are. Might be nothing at all worth worrying about. Perhaps being "last year's model" made 1.01 more affordable for Funi.

The BD will 99% chance not have subtitles. Otherwise Gunbuster would have had some...

I wish Eva TV Renewal would be released as a BD set. That would be worth buying.

[KudosForce]

My opinion on this issue is the following:

The Japanese have to prevent reverse-importation somehow...:sweat:

That, and it's most likely a force of habit for them (or their fans in Japan are goldfish).

[samwise]

Oh man, I'm having a headache now.

So potentially FUNi got screwed? Hoping the BD has subtitles.

I had a headeach when the various versions of Death and Rebirth/DeathTrue/DeathTrue2/DeathTrue2x2/End of Eva/Revival of Eva were being released to theater/TV/video. After all that, why didn't I see this coming? :)

Which DVD/BD releases of You Are (not) Alone -in any version- contain English subs?

[hikaru004]

Oh man, I'm having a headache now.

So potentially FUNi got screwed? Hoping the BD has subtitles.

I had a headeach when the various versions of Death and Rebirth/DeathTrue/DeathTrue2/DeathTrue2x2/End of Eva/Revival of Eva were being released to theater/TV/video. After all that, why didn't I see this coming? :)

Which DVD/BD releases of You Are (not) Alone -in any version- contain English subs?

Don't know. Maybe the others do.

Hope FUNi clarifies which EVA they have now that we have 1.0 (theatrical), 1.01 (DVD) and 1.11 (BD). I also hope that 1.11 is the final release of EVA 1. :sd:

So how many releases of EVA 2 do you think we'll get?

This headache exceeds my Advent Children BD headache.

[kakugo]

Which DVD/BD releases of You Are (not) Alone -in any version- contain English subs?

Hong Kong R3/NTSC (Asia Video Publishing (http://www.hkflix.com/xq/asp/filmID.547599/qx/details.htm))

Malaysia R0/NTSC (Innoform Media (http://www.hkflix.com/xq/asp/filmID.546912/qx/details.htm))

Australia R4/PAL (Red Ant (http://www.red-ant.com.au/ProductFamily.aspx?pf=2832))

New Zeland R4/PAL (Vendetta Films (http://www.vendettafilms.co.nz/films/1322/Evangelion_1.0_You_Are_(NOT)_Alone%22))

[Njr Scrawl]

I didn't know Malaysia had its own Eng subbed release. Is it legit?

The NZ release by Vendetta (I own) has the Red Ant logo at the beginning, so I'm guessing its the same as Australia has, & Vendetta is just the distributor.

The R4 has no sign/Japanese text translation, (not sure) song subtitles & untranslated Japanese credits. I hope Funi's is better & provides ALL those.

The R3HK has translated song subtitles, can't remember if the credits are translated though.

From a review (not sure of the site's ethics), the Malaysian version;

1) Has English & Chinese subs
2) Is region-free
3) Has no extras (neither has the R4)
4) You have to send to the distributor for the booklet
5) Case blurb says 1.0, but its 1.01
6) Has no trailer for 2.0

The best Eng subbed version is the R3HK LE. PQ not as good as the R2J or R2E releases. Subtitles a bit freer translation than the R4 (which is not as good as I've seen). Funimation, it it tried, could wipe the floor with all Eng. lang. releases so far. But Funi must TRY!

[Danime]

The Japanese have to prevent reverse-importation somehow...:sweat:

Except Gen Fukunaga thinks reverse-importation is a non-issue.

[kakugo]

As far as I know, the Malay version is legit.

[JeffDM]

The Japanese have to prevent reverse-importation somehow...:sweat:

Except Gen Fukunaga thinks reverse-importation is a non-issue.

Is that his opinion, or his opinion of what the Japanese owners think?

[hikaru004]

The Japanese have to prevent reverse-importation somehow...:sweat:

Except Gen Fukunaga thinks reverse-importation is a non-issue.

Is that his opinion, or his opinion of what the Japanese owners think?

His opinion IIRC.

[Quarkboy]

The Japanese have to prevent reverse-importation somehow...:sweat:

Except Gen Fukunaga thinks reverse-importation is a non-issue.

Is that his opinion, or his opinion of what the Japanese owners think?

His opinion IIRC.

I wouldn't expect Gen to admit anything else publicly about reverse importation...
His opinion on the subject is irrelevant, what matters is what the Japanese think.

[kakugo]

Evidently Gonzo, Toei and Madhouse aren't so concerned with reverse import potential that they won't let FUNi release their titles in the US, with no Japanese Blu-ray release in sight.

I doubt all licensors feel that way, but it's certainly not a bad start.

[Danime]

The Japanese have to prevent reverse-importation somehow...:sweat:

Except Gen Fukunaga thinks reverse-importation is a non-issue.

Is that his opinion, or his opinion of what the Japanese owners think?

It was his opinion of what the Japanese owners think. He said they have an unjustified view that reverse-importation is hurting their own industry, with zero evidence to support it.

As far as I remember...

[Danime]

[RQ]- … As far as the technical aspects of it, are there any other glitches you run into with blu-ray?

[GF]- Yeah, blu-ray is great. There’s nothing wrong about blu-ray except for us the cost of goods. You know, more of an internal business issue… A little more to author, of course, that’s because it’s technically more difficult. But it gives more flexibility.

The biggest, biggest, biggest, biggest, biggest issue we raise is region free. Which I view is not an issue. It’s a perception issue by the Japanese, which makes it my issue. Well, it’s not an issue at all from really, a financial point of view. Because the Japanese have this perception that American blu-ray is going to flood into their market, you know, their issue has just become my issue. You get that perception, [that] incorrect perception, [then] that’s the case.

[RQ]- Do they have any data to support their position?

[GF]- No. Absolutely, none.


And another awesome Gen quote:

I think the biggest question for us is what’s going to happen if anime keeps getting more popular and Warner Brothers decides to jump in and throw a couple hundred million dollars into it.

[hikaru004]

Evidently Gonzo, Toei and Madhouse aren't so concerned with reverse import potential that they won't let FUNi release their titles in the US, with no Japanese Blu-ray release in sight.

I doubt all licensors feel that way, but it's certainly not a bad start.

I'm betting that Shigurui was such a low seller in Japan that it didn't matter in the long run. And Toei will just release One Piece with something special in BD like it's doing for Dragon Ball Z now to negate any prior US BD release.

EVA is now up to 1.11 in Japan. That just about negates any R1 DVD release.

[kakugo]

And Toei will just release One Piece with something special in BD like it's doing for Dragon Ball Z now to negate any prior US BD release.

That's the rub, though: Toei isn't releasing Dragon Ball Z (or One Piece) on Blu-ray. They're doing their "Dragon Ball Kai" HD restoration project for broadcast, and that'll probably get a BD release eventually, but that's still a completely separate issue issue.

EVA is now up to 1.11 in Japan. That just about negates any R1 DVD release.

Well, we're clearly getting a DVD release, so I'll assume you meant a US Blu-ray. ;)

A US BD release before a Japanese release? Not a chance. A US BD release a few months after the Japanese release? Maybe. What's Gainax got to lose if 90% of the Evangelion otaku have already bought the Japanese BD release?

Huh, fun thought: what if FUNi gets approval to release 1.01 in HD, but not 1.11? Considering how long it took ADV to get the home video versions of episodes 21-26, that would be an almost hilarious level of predictability.

[hikaru004]

Well, we're clearly getting a DVD release, so I'll assume you meant a US Blu-ray. ;)
<snip>

Huh, fun thought: what if FUNi gets approval to release 1.01 in HD, but not 1.11? Considering how long it took ADV to get the home video versions of episodes 21-26, that would be an almost hilarious level of predictability.

No I meant DVD. EVA 1.11 implies that EVA 1.01 is not the current version. It would be like buying Blade Runner and finding out that the director's cut was just released.

Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. R1 BD will be 1.01 as a BD and not 1.11.

[kakugo]

Sorry, my bad. I'd interpreted your concern as being "Eva 1.X won't get a US Blu-ray", rather than FUNi not getting 1.11 specifically. :sweat:

That is a legitimate concern, but until we even know what the difference between 1.01 and 1.11 is, I'm not going to worry much. The difference between the theatrical 1.0 and 1.01 was minimal - "fine tuning", even per the official press releases - so why should we assume that 1.11 will be substantially different from 1.01 until Gainax/Khara suggest otherwise?

[hikaru004]

Sorry, my bad. I'd interpreted your concern as being "Eva 1.X won't get a US Blu-ray", rather than FUNi not getting 1.11 specifically. :sweat:

That is a legitimate concern, but until we even know what the difference between 1.01 and 1.11 is, I'm not going to worry much. The difference between the theatrical 1.0 and 1.01 was minimal - "fine tuning", even per the official press releases - so why should we assume that 1.11 will be substantially different from 1.01 until Gainax/Khara suggest otherwise?

Well the press release (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-02-19/anno-evangelion-2.0-film-slated-for-june-27-in-japan) said....


In related news, the official Evangelion website has announced on Thursday that the first movie in the remake project, Evangelion: 1.0 You Are [Not] Alone, will get a "1.11" release on Blu-ray Disc and DVD on May 27. The 1.11 release will include new cuts and digital mastering. More details on King Record's news release will be made public on March 16. There was an earlier "1.01" version that was first released on DVD last April and given a second theatrical run that same month.


*bolded by me*

Sounds like stuff is getting added but we won't know until March 16th.

[samwise]

I'm thinking we get 1.01, because that's the version that exists on DVD.

As to a Bluray release by Funimation, they would need an HD transfer of 1.01 to use as their master. Such a master may or may not exist, since 1.11 is what Japan is releasing to that format.

And then I don't know about licenses: would a Bluray release for 1.01 constitute a separate license from the DVD release, or does that apply only if Funimation wants 1.11 instead (either because it's the prefered version, or because it's the only version available for that format)?

Then the question becomes, is (re-purchasing Eva Rebuild 1) worth Funimation's while finacially speaking?

[Thanatos]

That's the rub, though: Toei isn't releasing Dragon Ball Z (or One Piece) on Blu-ray. They're doing their "Dragon Ball Kai" HD restoration project for broadcast, and that'll probably get a BD release eventually, but that's still a completely separate issue issue.


So Dragon Ball Z could become like Star Wars where the original (er, "more original"?) version is only available on an older format with less resolution, while only the "improved" version is available in higher definition? SWEET! Oh, wait... :(

Then again, we could get a replay of the Gundam Movie Trilogy DVD release where BV first released them on DVD with newly rerecorded stereo and 5.1 audio (new vocals, new special effects) and there was such bitching about it for five years that when they finally released the HD remaster they used the original mono mix.

In general, other than Eva and incomplete/censored TV broadcast VS DVD touchups, Japanese fans tend to want the anime the way they originally saw it and will demand blood if it's not given to them.

[Njr Scrawl]

Buying decision should be whether you want to see Eva Rebuild 1 on Blu Ray or not.

"Yes" - wait for the Jp version or theoretical release by Funimation regardless of version.
"No" - wait for whatever Funi releases, or get an other-region existing Eng. lang. release (unless you want a dub).

[hikaru004]

Buying decision should be whether you want to see Eva Rebuild 1 on Blu Ray or not.

"Yes" - wait for the Jp version or theoretical release by Funimation regardless of version.
"No" - wait for whatever Funi releases, or get an other-region existing Eng. lang. release (unless you want a dub).

I'm in the version matters camp. R1 BD release should be the latest R2 BD release (1.11).


And then I don't know about licenses: would a Bluray release for 1.01 constitute a separate license from the DVD release, or does that apply only if Funimation wants 1.11 instead (either because it's the prefered version, or because it's the only version available for that format)?


I would think that the rights for a BD release of 1.01 would be in the contract but they would have to still pay for it additionally. 1.11 would constitute a separate license since it is another version. Their contract may only involve 1.01 and 1.0 since all the promos pics that were used during the announcements had 1.0 on them.

[kakugo]

Their contract may only involve 1.01 and 1.0 since all the promos pics that were used during the announcements had 1.0 on them.

Malaysia says it's version "1.0", but it's actually 1.01. As "1.0" has never had a legitimate video release anywhere in the world, we should probably consider it a non-issue.

If you didn't see You Are [Not] Alone on the big screen, you'll probably never see 1.0 legitimately, forget in HD. But nobody's furious over that... go figure. ;)

So Dragon Ball Z could become like Star Wars where the original (er, "more original"?) version is only available on an older format with less resolution, while only the "improved" version is available in higher definition? SWEET! Oh, wait... :(

Hahaa! Ho ho. Hah-heh. Hoooh. Yeah. :puke:

I'd like to think of Toei is slightly less dastardly than George, but I dunno'. Fist of the North Star got REMASTERED HARDER!! on DVD just as soon as it was clear all 199X hardcore Hokuto fans had bought the entire show at least once.

[KudosForce]

I'd like to think of Toei is slightly less dastardly than George, but I dunno'. Fist of the North Star got REMASTERED HARDER!! on DVD just as soon as it was clear all 199X hardcore Hokuto fans had bought the entire show at least once.

At least THEY get a complete DVD release. Here, we got screwed out of getting 3/4 of the series...Yes, I'm still bitter towards Manga Ent. :anger200:

Oh well. The Crunchyroll streams are a good start, I suppose.

[MajinVejita]

So Dragon Ball Z could become like Star Wars where the original (er, "more original"?) version is only available on an older format with less resolution, while only the "improved" version is available in higher definition? SWEET! Oh, wait... :(

Since DragonBall/Z/GT were all shot on 16mm, I'm not sure a Blu-ray/HD release would be that grand. Other films shot on 16mm that have seen HD releases have looked fairly harsh, since the grain really becomes pretty overpowering. Personally, I think the DragonBoxes will be the best thing you'll see in terms of quality and that a Blu-ray release wouldn't be much better.

That being said, the films on the other hand were 35mm. Those should definitely get some HD love, as should the new Jump Special, which was seemingly done in HD.

-Corey

[muhootsaver]

Price: 6,090 yen
Running time: Movie 100 min + extra 30min

<Sound>
1. Japanese DTS-HD Master Audio 6.1ch
2. Japanese Dolby TrueHD 6.1ch
3. Japanese Dolby digital/2.0

<Extra>
1. First movie preview
2. Rebuild of EVANGELION: 1.01 (No cut CG & Making)
3. Angel of DOOM PV
4. After-recording script (1.11 ver.)
5. Second movie trailer

1,2,3 same extra from the original DVD package.

It's going to be digipack with a box.

[Njr Scrawl]

CD Japan now has a pre-order page (& another for the DVD)
http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=KIXA-9

[Mazinkaizer]

Will wait for a US release, i just hope that Funi have a BD option for this one as well :sweat:

[Orihimes_Boyfriend]

Seeing as they have been giving us the option of SD or BD releases lately I don't see any reason they would not release Eva 1.0 on BD. :)
I will most likely get the SD version since I have yet to buy a BD player. Im waiting to see if the PS3 price goes down by E3.

[hikaru004]

Ah but 1.0 on BD != 1.11. It will still be 2 different versions as 1.11 has extra footage. So it's a wait and see for the US release.

[muhootsaver]

package picture now up on Amazon.
http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B001VNCVTI/

[Meguel Sanchez]

the silver cover looks crap.
the red looks nice ..... shame about the lack of subs (but hardly surprising)

[hamletiii]

SONY Japan recently posted a press release on their site about this title being the first one utilizing their SBMV encoding technology:

http://www.sony.co.jp/SonyInfo/News/Press/200905/09-0512/index.html

SBMV=Super Bit Mapping for Video

It looks interesting how the encoding could affect color banding in the comparisons so severely... I'm not quite convinced, otherwise FUNimation should be really the first one adopting this technology and re-issue their Samurai 7 release.

And this technology seems to be only working on their Blu-ray recorders/players equipping CREAS processor, so are the PS3 users got screwed?

[hissatsu]

SONY Japan recently posted a press release on their site about this title being the first one utilizing their SBMV encoding technology:

http://www.sony.co.jp/SonyInfo/News/Press/200905/09-0512/index.html

SBMV=Super Bit Mapping for Video

It looks interesting how the encoding could affect color banding in the comparisons so severely... I'm not quite convinced, otherwise FUNimation should be really the first one adopting this technology and re-issue their Samurai 7 release.

And this technology seems to be only working on their Blu-ray recorders/playings equipping CREAS processor, so are the PS3 users got screwed?

Color me skeptical about SBMV. There are more examples at

http://av.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20090512_168327.html

The shots without SBMV look pretty bad. As bad as S7 if not worse. Of course all the heavy banding is magically gone in the SBMV shots. I find it difficult to believe that a newly released Bluray of a recent, high budget movie with a brand new digital master would look that bad. There's just no reason for it. I'll wait for the actual disc to show up at the end of the month before I believe this is more than Sony trying to push their own players.

[Buster Darkwings]

I hope use of this technology becomes commonplace. Banding is definitely a problem in a lot of anime, but judging from how they look, I imagine a lot of titles (especially TV anime) are animated in 8-bit to begin with.

[kakugo]

I find it difficult to believe that a newly released Bluray of a recent, high budget movie with a brand new digital master would look that bad.

I take it you haven't seen Appleseed: Ex Machina, then? ;)

As for how the R2 "1.01" DVD looks:

What Banding? (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v242/Kentai/Screencaps/Eva101Banding.png)

All of the examples Sony is using to pimp their de-banding player is using brand new cuts from the "1.11" cut, so I'm thinking that the new footage is simply a step down in quality than the prior footage. There's a little bit of banding on the R2, even in the cap I posted, but I don't remember anything half as heinous as what Sony is showing off.

[Buster Darkwings]

And this technology seems to be only working on their Blu-ray recorders/players equipping CREAS processor, so are the PS3 users got screwed?

It doesn't say that. It says the same technology is used in CREAS, not that it will only work with it.

[Skywise]

Banding is an inherent problem with encoding in 4:2:0 component, since you're not sampling all the colored pixels in an image (it's not just a 10 to 8 bit problem). This is especially evident with digital animation, since you very often have some sharp gradations to begin with, and if the sampling pattern doesn't completely match up right it just gets worse.

So what SBMV does is basically just a better way of dithering the colors when doing the downsampling for encoding. The sampling pattern of the encoding software/hardware is already known, so it's easy to create an algorithm that compensates for any sudden gradations that shouldn't be there.

[Quarkboy]

Banding is an inherent problem with encoding in 4:2:0 component, since you're not sampling all the colored pixels in an image (it's not just a 10 to 8 bit problem). This is especially evident with digital animation, since you very often have some sharp gradations to begin with, and if the sampling pattern doesn't completely match up right it just gets worse.

So what SBMV does is basically just a better way of dithering the colors when doing the downsampling for encoding. The sampling pattern of the encoding software/hardware is already known, so it's easy to create an algorithm that compensates for any sudden gradations that shouldn't be there.

Hmm, I think there's a plugin for avisyth that can do that.

Actually, h.264 high profile, er well, specifically "high 10" profile if I recall is in the 4:2:2 (YUY2) colorspace. The only problem is that almost no encoders support it.

A question for those who might know, though... is the high 10 or 4:2:2 colorspace AVC profile part of the blu-ray spec? Or so blu-ray players only have to be able to handle 4:2:0 colorspace AVC like normal.

[Njr Scrawl]

No banding in the Japanese Ex Machina HD DVD release I could see.
I've ordered the Jp BD of it.
Gave my Warner BD away.

[Skywise]

It is not. BD uses 4:2:0, and 4:2:2 would take up too much space/bitrate anyway.

[Njr Scrawl]

Had email from CDJ that its shipping! :) CDJ's page http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=KIXA-9 says the BD disc is region free.

Interesting (or not) other things on the BD aside from its feature.

Evangelion game coming to PS3 as mentioned by ANN;
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-05-27/eva-misato-hosts-realtime-show-on-ps3s-in-japan

[tablesalt]

Had email from CDJ that its shipping! :) CDJ's page http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=KIXA-9 says the BD disc is region free.


I just got mine today. Apparently, I accidentally picked express shipping, so it got here in one day by fed ex.

The inside is like a hard cover book, the same red as the limited edition dvd, with a plastic tray for the disc. The whole thing is a little taller and wider than a normal Blu ray disc case (which I'm disappointed about).

[MajinVejita]

This isn't an LE, right? I'd like to snag it, but I'd like to wait personally ;p

-Corey

[Njr Scrawl]

No film strip :( or with the DVD version (also shipping). I'm looking forward to comparison with 1.01 for those extra seconds. :laugh:

[muhootsaver]

No film strip :( or with the DVD version (also shipping). I'm looking forward to comparison with 1.01 for those extra seconds. :laugh:

It's 3 minutes. I heard it contains some cuts and Ritsuko swimming.

[facechubb]

I'm not sure if I missed this or not, but does the 1.11 BD have English subs?
Sorry if this has already been asked:)

[hissatsu]

I'm not sure if I missed this or not, but does the 1.11 BD have English subs?
Sorry if this has already been asked:)

As usual, no.

[facechubb]

Bummer. That sucks.

[hissatsu]

Anybody else get their copy yet? Mine came this morning along with Blood in a totally mangled box (Amazon.jp really should use better boxes), though everything inside was fine. I watched about 20 minutes of Eva (Operation Yashima) and the first 10 minutes of both versions of Blood. I preferred the digital master version of Blood to the telecine version. Both movies looked very good to me. Sorry, no screenshots. No blu-ray in my PC.

[muhootsaver]

http://muhootsaver.tistory.com/entry/BD-Evangelion-111-Blu-ray

I wrote my thoughts on video quality and audio there, but to sum it up, it's good but don't expect Disney here. I uploaded 1080p PNG screenshots on my blog some time ago, but it looks like some still haven't seen it so here are the links.

http://muhootsaver.tistory.com/entry/May-262009-Anime-News-Evangelion-111-BD-screenshots-1080p-PNG

http://muhootsaver1.tistory.com/entry/2009%EB%85%84-5%EC%9B%94-26%EC%9D%BC-%EC%95%A0%EB%8B%88%EC%A0%95%EB%B3%B4-%EC%97%90%EB%B0%98%EA%B2%8C%EB%A6%AC%EC%98%A8-111-BD-%EC%8A%A4%EC%83%B7-1080p-PNG

[Geno]

http://muhootsaver.tistory.com/entry/BD-Evangelion-111-Blu-ray

I wrote my thoughts on video quality and audio there, but to sum it up, it's good but don't expect Disney here. I uploaded 1080p PNG screenshots on my blog some time ago, but it looks like some still haven't seen it so here are the links.

http://muhootsaver.tistory.com/entry/May-262009-Anime-News-Evangelion-111-BD-screenshots-1080p-PNG

http://muhootsaver1.tistory.com/entry/2009%EB%85%84-5%EC%9B%94-26%EC%9D%BC-%EC%95%A0%EB%8B%88%EC%A0%95%EB%B3%B4-%EC%97%90%EB%B0%98%EA%B2%8C%EB%A6%AC%EC%98%A8-111-BD-%EC%8A%A4%EC%83%B7-1080p-PNG720p!? You would think that a movie that was released in theaters would be animated in at least 2k resolution. Sometimes I just don't understand Japan.

Another thing I noticed is that there is noticeable aliasing in the second screenshot. Most notably on the power lines.

[kakugo]

720p!? You would think that a movie that was released in theaters would be animated in at least 2k resolution. Sometimes I just don't understand Japan.

According to this (http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=189501146) article, even CG giant Pixar didn't release a picture animated in 2k until 2006, and you don't hear anyone complaining about A Bugs Life on Blu-ray. Considering this hit Japanese theaters in 2007, I'm not terribly shocked. I doubt the budget funneled into this feature was remotely Disney caliber, anyway.

[Geno]

720p!? You would think that a movie that was released in theaters would be animated in at least 2k resolution. Sometimes I just don't understand Japan.

According to this (http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=189501146) article, even CG giant Pixar didn't release a picture animated in 2k until 2006, and you don't hear anyone complaining about A Bugs Life on Blu-ray. Considering this hit Japanese theaters in 2007, I'm not terribly shocked. I doubt the budget funneled into this feature was remotely Disney caliber, anyway.
I believe A Bugs Life was re-rendered for the Blu-Ray release. You would think that 720p would look like crap on the "big screen". And is it really that much more expensive to render it at a higher resolution?

[kakugo]

If you can find any info on A Bugs Life being re-rendered for Blu-ray, please do share. All I've ever heard was that it was re-rendered in 4:3 for DVD/VHS, since the original widescreen version would have looked pretty awful pan-scanned.

[Geno]

If you can find any info on A Bugs Life being re-rendered for Blu-ray, please do share. All I've ever heard was that it was re-rendered in 4:3 for DVD/VHS, since the original widescreen version would have looked pretty awful pan-scanned.Just looking at the screenshots it shows no signs of it being an upscale, in fact the amount of detail is on par with there newer movies. However Toy Story is getting re-rendered and they're making a big deal about that so perhaps A Bugs Life was not, but even still A Bugs life exhibits a bit more detail than 720p so I would think that it's relatively close to 2k.

Edit: Another thing to note is that some of the characters (namely the ants) seem to have been re-colored. In theory wouldn't that require a re-rendering?

[kakugo]

If the ants changed color and nothing else in the shot did, then yes, that would be a re-encode. Know of any any DVD/Blu-ray comparisons, by any chance?

[Geno]

If the ants changed color and nothing else in the shot did, then yes, that would be a re-encode. Know of any any DVD/Blu-ray comparisons, by any chance?Unfortunately I can't find any, so all I can go by is memory and promotional art work. (Assuming the promo artwork coloring was accurate to the films coloring. I'll post if I can find any screenshots you'd think it would be easier to find screenshots of a reference DVD.

And for the record the supposed resolution is 2048x871.

[Thanatos]

I don't think there's anything to worry about. You don't really think 1.11 is going to be the final, definitive cut of the film, do you? DO YOU? You'll have your chance to buy 1.1101 and 1.111101 in a decade, fear not.

[Njr Scrawl]

I have received my Eva BD, but not played it yet. The disc is plain black with red lettering. Inside now has the Rebuild NERV logo (apple & leaf). Leaflet with story & characters, & a merchandise leaflet (I must get that cell phone!). From the screen caps, there seem to be some more of the scenes from Eva TV, either added or done anew, than 1.01 had - a good sign. Post more details from actual watching later... Maybe the pattern the other ?3 movie releases will follow.