To add to the Red Ring Thread....

[Fieri]

Since the other thread was locked, I just wanted to clear some things up. I only posted the you tube link to show that the problems with the 360 still haven't gone away. I also found it extremely amusing that the new 360 broke down so soon. It wasn't my intent to put down the 360, just that you still have to be cautious.

The link I posted was of the new 360 that came out with RE5 which you can tell by the color (which is why someone else mentioned that it was a new 360). The owner of that 360 did the smart thing and just returned it back to Amazon for a new one. A lot of people had posted they had trouble with the drive (not the case, there's a problem with the disc). The new elite I believe was confirmed to be a Jasper which should reduce the errors but obviously it hasn't completely eliminated them.

As for the fix..... wouldn't that void the warranty? Not that it's that good outside of the RROD. There do happen to be other problems with the 360 as well. I also don't recommend handling the motherboard (?) as the people in the video did. And if you don't do things right, you do run the risk of other things happening. So if you do get the RROD, I actually recommend that you send it back to Microsoft to get fixed.

Anyways, it's better to have some knowledge of the subject to have none at all. I'm not going to say which system is better since each has it's own strengths and weaknesses. But if there are known issues then it's best to have the information and act accordingly than to not have the information at all.

[Fieri]

Since that other thread won't be reopened, I just had to add a couple of things....


Originally posted by untoldsorrow

Its not really hating but I think the point of his link was to show what xbox that was. THAT was definitely the NEW LE Red 360 which came out on the 13th. Today is the 17th, so yeah...a few days in between...

I'm not a he. :P

And you're absolutely correct. Perhaps I should have posted in the Resident Evil thread, since that was the new console that came with the game which you can tell from the color and if you kept up with what's going on in the gaming world. I also pulled it from a discussion about the LE RE5 360 console.

[untoldsorrow]

Since that other thread won't be reopened, I just had to add a couple of things....


Originally posted by untoldsorrow

Its not really hating but I think the point of his link was to show what xbox that was. THAT was definitely the NEW LE Red 360 which came out on the 13th. Today is the 17th, so yeah...a few days in between...

I'm not a he. :P



Sorry about that. It is kind of disappointing given all the different revisions the system has undertaken. The PS3 has many problems too but not as often the same problem as the 360.

[Ryos]

Dang, I specifically waiting on getting a 360 with the hope the Jasper version would correct the RROD issues as promised. :\

[Njr Scrawl]

Unless there is no other choice, I always buy consoles locally. That way I can take them back in person, show what the problem is & get the matter or a refund face-to-face.

Solid state & games I mail order, but not consoles.

[porkchopexpress]

The red ring can indicate one of many different problems. Heck, if you turn on the system without the video cables plugged in you get a red ring. Found that out testing trade in systems when I worked at Gamestop.

[ape2020]

The red ring can indicate one of many different problems. Heck, if you turn on the system without the video cables plugged in you get a red ring. Found that out testing trade in systems when I worked at Gamestop.

Yeah I found this out when my brother freaked out that our 360 had red ringed again. But the pattern was different so I looked it up and lo and behold it recommended checking all the cables. He sure did look silly when it happened.

-ape2020

[malazar]

Yeah I found this out when my brother freaked out that our 360 had red ringed again. But the pattern was different so I looked it up and lo and behold it recommended checking all the cables. He sure did look silly when it happened.

That's exactly what happened to me on Friday. I turned on the old early model 360 and saw the red ring and figured the inevitable had finally happened. Then I noticed that the video cable was loose. :relief:

[Fieri]

Yeah I found this out when my brother freaked out that our 360 had red ringed again. But the pattern was different so I looked it up and lo and behold it recommended checking all the cables. He sure did look silly when it happened.

That's exactly what happened to me on Friday. I turned on the old early model 360 and saw the red ring and figured the inevitable had finally happened. Then I noticed that the video cable was loose. :relief:

The first thing to do whenever you have a problem is to check all connections. ;) This doesn't just apply to the 360. :sdsmiley:

[porkchopexpress]

I turned on the old early model 360 and saw the red ring and figured the inevitable had finally happened.

I think the early models are pretty good about not red ringing. Not to say that that doesn't happen, but I always thought the wave of red ringed systems came around the time when the PS3 and Wii launched. Microsoft's strategy at the time was to flood store shelves with 360s thinking people might buy them when the Wii and PS3's were unavailable (actually a sound idea). One can assume they were rushed to market with little to no quality assurance. I bought a launch system used off ebay and was lucky to not have any problems with it until the dander that accumulates in my house from having 9 dogs killed the lens.

[superdry]

Well, now, according to reports on the internet (gotta love the 'net!), there is a new problem cropping up associated with the scaling chip. One can get the E74 error and the lower right quadrant of the power light will be red (looking at the console when it's horizontal).

The system has great online, some great games, but, unfortunately, the hardware is just poorly made. There is just way too much stuff crammed in such a small box with not too much ventilation.

porkchopexpress - the early models are the ones that suffered from the RRoD the most. The latter releases can still have the RRoD problem, but not as much as the early models.

[Citizen Klaus]

There is just way too much stuff crammed in such a small box with not too much ventilation.

Provided you have enough money, this is a problem easily addressed (http://www.lian-li.com/v2/en/product/product06.php?pr_index=261&cl_index=1&sc_index=35&ss_index=87).

[untoldsorrow]

Yeah I found this out when my brother freaked out that our 360 had red ringed again. But the pattern was different so I looked it up and lo and behold it recommended checking all the cables. He sure did look silly when it happened.

That's exactly what happened to me on Friday. I turned on the old early model 360 and saw the red ring and figured the inevitable had finally happened. Then I noticed that the video cable was loose. :relief:

The first thing to do whenever you have a problem is to check all connections. ;) This doesn't just apply to the 360. :sdsmiley:


You guys have to remember one thing, without the AV cables, ALL 4 flash red. The RROD is 3 flashing lights.

[Fieri]

Well, now, according to reports on the internet (gotta love the 'net!), there is a new problem cropping up associated with the scaling chip. One can get the E74 error and the lower right quadrant of the power light will be red (looking at the console when it's horizontal).



Actually the problems have been there but the RROD was the most prevalent one that it overshadowed the other problems.

This forum (http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=484726) lists the errors they've found, however even they claim that their assumptions could be wrong. One thing to note they do state the following:

If you're console is still under warranty it is recommended that you contact MS for a replacement before attempting to fix it yourself.


I also looked up the E74 problem and here's my favorite quote taken from this article (http://blog.seattlepi.com/digitaljoystick/archives/164682.asp?from=blog_last3)....

Video games are supposed to be fun and having to worry about premature and sudden death of your game system is without a doubt not fun.

[porkchopexpress]

Video games are supposed to be fun and having to worry about premature and sudden death of your game system is without a doubt not fun.

The 360 is like a professional athlete with a drug problem. You love to watch them play, and keep rooting for them, but they keep letting you down.

[Kurou]

The 360 is like a professional athlete with a drug problem. You love to watch them play, and keep rooting for them, but they keep letting you down.

Replace "360" with "PS2", and you pretty much have my situation. I've had zero problems with my launch model 360, but the PS2? Hah.

[Skywise]

There is just way too much stuff crammed in such a small box with not too much ventilation.

Provided you have enough money, this is a problem easily addressed (http://www.lian-li.com/v2/en/product/product06.php?pr_index=261&cl_index=1&sc_index=35&ss_index=87).

That's not that expensive. The design aesthetics for a modder case is pretty bad though, and they should at least have figured out a way to deal with the 360's power brick while they were at it.

[Citizen Klaus]

There is just way too much stuff crammed in such a small box with not too much ventilation.

Provided you have enough money, this is a problem easily addressed (http://www.lian-li.com/v2/en/product/product06.php?pr_index=261&cl_index=1&sc_index=35&ss_index=87).

That's not that expensive. The design aesthetics for a modder case is pretty bad though, and they should at least have figured out a way to deal with the 360's power brick while they were at it.

Yeah. I realize there ain't much to look at inside a 360, but I do wish that Lian-Li offered a window option. I'm a sucker for those.

Even with a window, though, that case's proportions just seem... off. Looks much too wide for its height, and the front panel lacks character. Still, at least they didn't try to make it look like your typical "gamer" case.

[pathos]

Dang, I specifically waiting on getting a 360 with the hope the Jasper version would correct the RROD issues as promised. :\

I haven't really been paying attention, but are the japsers confirmed with still having the red ring problem?

Last I checked, there were still plenty of non jaspers left on store shelves. But, thats been a bit. Perhaps most new ones sold are jaspers now?

[Johnny]

Dang, I specifically waiting on getting a 360 with the hope the Jasper version would correct the RROD issues as promised. :\

I haven't really been paying attention, but are the japsers confirmed with still having the red ring problem?

Last I checked, there were still plenty of non jaspers left on store shelves. But, thats been a bit. Perhaps most new ones sold are jaspers now?

It hasn't completely eradicated the problem, but the percentage is lower than any previous models at the minute anyway.

Most arcades should be Jaspers by now, and the Elite in the RE5 bundle was a Jasper too. I'm currently trying to track down a new (my 3rd) 360 from HK and arcade Jaspers are pretty hard to get in Asia/Japan.

[Njr Scrawl]

[QUOTE}Most arcades should be Jaspers by now, and the Elite in the RE5 bundle was a Jasper too. I'm currently trying to track down a new (my 3rd) 360 from HK and arcade Jaspers are pretty hard to get in Asia/Japan.[/QUOTE]

Play-Asia is the cheapest I've found.
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-bq-49-en-70-37sb.html

Don't need a HD or anything you can get in the UK, to cut down on shipping & customs/VAT.

[Ty]

Replace "360" with "PS2", and you pretty much have my situation. I've had zero problems with my launch model 360, but the PS2? Hah.

The problem with statements like this is that for every one of them you will have another who can claim they have a launch PS2 (or launch whatever) that has been trouble free from day one. Like, say, me for example. What cannot be denined, however, is that statistically it is a proven fact that the Xbox 360's hardware failure rate is many times higher than any other modern game console and that Microsoft has been stubborn and reluctant from day one to own up to it and take care of their customers.

[Johnny]

Play-Asia is the cheapest I've found.
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-bq-49-en-70-37sb.html

Don't need a HD or anything you can get in the UK, to cut down on shipping & customs/VAT.

The price isn't really an issue - I can get one from my contact in HK for £180 - the problem is actually identifying the console as a Jasper. PA had them in stock but sold out and the guy I get my stuff from says that at the minute he's finding it hard to find stock.

[untoldsorrow]

Replace "360" with "PS2", and you pretty much have my situation. I've had zero problems with my launch model 360, but the PS2? Hah.

The problem with statements like this is that for every one of them you will have another who can claim they have a launch PS2 (or launch whatever) that has been trouble free from day one. Like, say, me for example. What cannot be denined, however, is that statistically it is a proven fact that the Xbox 360's hardware failure rate is many times higher than any other modern game console and that Microsoft has been stubborn and reluctant from day one to own up to it and take care of their customers.

I can vouch for that also. Launch PS2 still kicking it well.

[Fencedude]

I can vouch for that also. Launch PS2 still kicking it well.

Mine still works too. More or less.

Except for not being able to read dual layer PS2 games, or any CD based PS2 games. Or PS1 games, or occasionally making really horrible grinding noises. Ones that the local videogame store, the proprietors of which have fixed any number of recalcatrent PS2s over the years have never in their lives heard...but it does work. Technically.

I replaced it with a thin PS2 recently. But dammit, IT STILL WORKS

[porkchopexpress]

Replace "360" with "PS2", and you pretty much have my situation. I've had zero problems with my launch model 360, but the PS2? Hah.

The problem with statements like this is that for every one of them you will have another who can claim they have a launch PS2 (or launch whatever) that has been trouble free from day one. Like, say, me for example. What cannot be denined, however, is that statistically it is a proven fact that the Xbox 360's hardware failure rate is many times higher than any other modern game console and that Microsoft has been stubborn and reluctant from day one to own up to it and take care of their customers.

I can vouch for that also. Launch PS2 still kicking it well.

Come to think of it, out of all the systems I have owned in my lifetime (master system, genesis, sega cd, 32x, snes, gamecube, wii, 3do, ps1, ps2, saturn, dreamcast, ps3, xbox and xbox 360) the only ones I ever had a problem with were the xbox (broken cd drive) and the 360 (messed up lens).

[Gatts]

Come to think of it, out of all the systems I have owned in my lifetime (master system, genesis, sega cd, 32x, snes, gamecube, wii, 3do, ps1, ps2, saturn, dreamcast, ps3, xbox and xbox 360) the only ones I ever had a problem with were the xbox (broken cd drive) and the 360 (messed up lens).

Of all of the game systems I've owned in my lifetime (TI-99/4A, Colecovision, Intellivision, 3do, Jaguar, Game Gear, Nomad, Neo Geo AES, Neo Geo Pocket, Neo Geo Pocket Color, Atari Lynx, Game Boy, Game Boy Color, Game Boy Advance, Nintendo DS,Turbo Express, WonderSwan Color, Master System, Genesis, Sega CD, 32x, Saturn, Dreamcast, NES, SNES, Gamecube, Wii, PS1, PS2, Xbox and Xbox 360), the only ones I've had problems with were:

NES (the infamous "blow on the cartridge" error)
PS1 (Infamous turn it upside down for it to work)
PS2 (Stopped reading CDs and dual layers)
Intellivision (had crappy games)
Atari Lynx (loose connection meaning you couldn't recharge it with the AC adaptor. The damn thing took 6 AAs and only worked for like 3 hours)

[Fencedude]

NES (the infamous "blow on the cartridge" error)


Oh come on, EVERYONE had that. It was virtually a feature!

[Fieri]

NES (the infamous "blow on the cartridge" error)


Hm.... interesting. So you contributed to the error of the cartridge by blowing on it? According to my sources, all that was needed at the time was an inexpensive cartridge cleaner.

[Fencedude]

NES (the infamous "blow on the cartridge" error)


Hm.... interesting. So you contributed to the error of the cartridge by blowing on it? According to my sources, all that was needed at the time was an inexpensive cartridge cleaner.

Dude, what's the fun in that?

It was like a ritual.

Blow in the cartridge, if it didn't work, blow again. Fiddle with the exact positioning before pushing it down (I found that if you put the cartridge in so it just barely scraped the front when you pushed the carriage down it would almost always work), etc etc.

(and I had a cartridge cleaner, and it didn't help that much)

[malazar]

I can vouch for that also. Launch PS2 still kicking it well.

My launch PS2 is still kicking as well. I have had much better luck with it then friends who have been through 3 or 4 PS2's.

[Fieri]

NES (the infamous "blow on the cartridge" error)


Hm.... interesting. So you contributed to the error of the cartridge by blowing on it? According to my sources, all that was needed at the time was an inexpensive cartridge cleaner.

Dude, what's the fun in that?

It was like a ritual.

Blow in the cartridge, if it didn't work, blow again. Fiddle with the exact positioning before pushing it down (I found that if you put the cartridge in so it just barely scraped the front when you pushed the carriage down it would almost always work), etc etc.

(and I had a cartridge cleaner, and it didn't help that much)

Well, there was that other problem too :P
Something where you had to put another cartridge on top so it was positioned just right.

[Daniel_Perales]

I can vouch for that also. Launch PS2 still kicking it well.

Mine still works too. More or less.

Except for not being able to read dual layer PS2 games, or any CD based PS2 games. Or PS1 games, or occasionally making really horrible grinding noises. Ones that the local videogame store, the proprietors of which have fixed any number of recalcatrent PS2s over the years have never in their lives heard...but it does work. Technically.

I replaced it with a thin PS2 recently. But dammit, IT STILL WORKS

All of the Sony Playstations that I still own (the original, PS2, and the PS3 60gig), were all bought at their launch time. All of them still works. I never had any problems with them, whatsoever.

My nephew used to pull some all-nighters on both the original PSX and the PS2, and I use the PS3 as both a gaming console and up to just a few months ago, as a DVD and Blu-ray player.

So far, so good.



Danny

[untoldsorrow]

NES (the infamous "blow on the cartridge" error)


Hm.... interesting. So you contributed to the error of the cartridge by blowing on it? According to my sources, all that was needed at the time was an inexpensive cartridge cleaner.

Dude, what's the fun in that?

It was like a ritual.

Blow in the cartridge, if it didn't work, blow again. Fiddle with the exact positioning before pushing it down (I found that if you put the cartridge in so it just barely scraped the front when you pushed the carriage down it would almost always work), etc etc.

(and I had a cartridge cleaner, and it didn't help that much)

Well, there was that other problem too :P
Something where you had to put another cartridge on top so it was positioned just right.


Thats the best tactic to battle the NES problem, had a blast doing it too, lol.

[Ty]

NES (the infamous "blow on the cartridge" error)


Hm.... interesting. So you contributed to the error of the cartridge by blowing on it? According to my sources, all that was needed at the time was an inexpensive cartridge cleaner.

Cleaning it was never the problem. The contact pins would eventually wear out or shift position and you'd get the no cartridge blinking light as a result. It was a source of geek pride to position certain carts juuuuuust right before clicking them down so they'd go on the first try. :)