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Suwako Moriya
10-01-2009, 12:06 PM
Since the series is airing as I type, I'd figure I'd get the discussion thread started for it.

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Suwako Moriya
10-01-2009, 12:18 PM
They just had to throw us into the middle of a fight before showing the opening.

I need to give the opening a couple of listens before I can truly judge it. Right now, it doesn't stand out, but it doesn't annoy me either.

That talking stuffed animal creeps me outfor some reason.

Heh, well at least it didn't take long to see the female form.

Ah, it's the girl with the gun before the opening. She seems to be kind of I don't know EVIL!

It looks Senou himself or maybe I should say herself uses fire as a power.

Another creepy mascot? Am I sensing a pattern here?

Well, at least some of the girls are cute.

Whenver we have a guy transforms into a girl story, I end up hoping that in the end that the girl form and guy form get separated somehow.

The girl with the glasses isn't too bad.

It's the return of the girl with the gun!

Let's end with episode by having her shoot at Sakura Kaede

I sense some fanservice in the ending.

It looks like this series might take two or three episodes to truly get into the groove of things.

Suwako Moriya
10-01-2009, 07:39 PM
Re-watching the opening and parts of the episode, I can't believe I overlooked the fact that the red haired girl and the girl with the glasses are the same person aka Akane. It seems the lead is not the only one with multiple forms.

Speaking of the opening, I find the vague "Mystery Girls are about to kiss" scene to be quite interesting. Even if I have to assume that one of those girls could be a guy part time.:sweat:

Oh, and the stuff animals still creep me out. I don't even want to know what place of evil they come from.

Fencedude
10-02-2009, 12:34 AM
Oh god that was amazingly hilarious and awesome.

Seiyuu gags galore, a reference to the Mobile Suit Kampfer, Akane being hilarious in both her forms, and Natsuru being waaaaay cooler as a girl.

I like that Inoue Marina is both the male and female voice for Natsuru.

Definite keeper.

Suwako Moriya
10-02-2009, 01:00 AM
Akane being hilarious in both her forms,

It's hard to believe they're the same person sometimes. Makes me wonder what other changes we can expect.

and Natsuru being waaaaay cooler as a girl.

Hence forth why she should give up this male fad. That and Sakura Kaede clear wants the female anyway.

I like that Inoue Marina is both the male and female voice for Natsuru.

That might be one of the more amusing parts to the series.

In regards to Sakura Kaede, I have to wonder about one thing. The very same Entrails Animal that told Natsuru that he/she was chosen belonged to Sakura Kaede. Which leads me to believe one of two things.

A: Fate made sure that Natsuru would meet with the scary plushy in time in order for things to work out the way they did.

B: Sakura Kaede was actually meant to be a Kampfer, but because the plushy was with Natsuru instead things worked out differently.

Granted, it's possible that none of this matters and the said dolls would just teleport to where they need to be to let someone know about their destiny.

Actually, I'm half-expecting them to try to leave the audience in the dark and reveal at the last second that Sakura Kaede is actually all powerful.

Westlo
10-02-2009, 05:09 AM
I wanted Toyoguchi Megumi for Akane but Horie Yui did a pretty damn good job voicing her two personalities. Akane's pretty much the only reason to watch this show atm.. though I liked what I heard from Nazuka Kaori's Shizuku.

HitokiriShadow
10-02-2009, 11:02 AM
Ahahaha, that was really dumb but so amusing. "You may be a Kampfer but you're no mobile suit!" The Yukari Tamura/Yui Horie sound-alike bits had me in stitches. And I love the stuffed animals with their entrails hanging out.

And then the childhood friend falls for the female version of the main character. Tragic for him, great for me.

HitokiriShadow
10-02-2009, 11:04 AM
I like that Inoue Marina is both the male and female voice for Natsuru.


Using the same seiyuu for both gender forms is certainly an interesting way to go (unless the seiyuu is Paku Romi, in which case it would almost be expected since she seems to do about as many male roles as female). I thought she sounded a little awkward as male Natsuru at first, particularly when Natsuru was first talking to Sakura, but she sounded fine by the second half of the episode.

Fudce
10-02-2009, 11:29 AM
Oh wow... that was awesome! "Gender bender harem ecchi comedy action" indeed. I'll be following this one, and how that female Natsuru asks about the toilet a lot more (is that becoming Marina Inoue's catchphrase or something?)

Fencedude
10-02-2009, 11:49 AM
I wanted Toyoguchi Megumi for Akane but Horie Yui did a pretty damn good job voicing her two personalities. Akane's pretty much the only reason to watch this show atm.. though I liked what I heard from Nazuka Kaori's Shizuku.

Horie Yui was the absolutely perfect choice.

I'm really starting to <3 her a lot more than I used to.

William K
10-02-2009, 01:18 PM
It was a bit weird at the beginning with the tiger and its entrails; but then it got to the librarian Akane and the Tamura Yukari sounding rabbit, and I was laughing the rest of the way.

The ED is cute but I keep hearing Ranka Lee :)

Fencedude
10-02-2009, 01:21 PM
It was a bit weird at the beginning with the tiger and its entrails; but then it got to the librarian Akane and the Tamura Yukari sounding rabbit, and I was laughing the rest of the way.

The ED is cute but I keep hearing Ranka Lee :)

Hey, at least Nakajima Megumi finally gets to play a character with tits.

William K
10-02-2009, 01:30 PM
Ahahaha, I was wondering after harakiri and seppuku what the other plushies would be called and then I saw the seiyuu for them....

Mitsuki
10-02-2009, 02:32 PM
I loved it. Yui Horie was perfect as Akane. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing more of this. I was actually wondering about Sakura's involvement, too, since she gave him the plushie -- could she be somehow connected to these Moderators? Though if so, she's a good actress, pretending to not know about the Kampfer stuff.

pi8you
10-02-2009, 03:12 PM
Blah on the exposition, its like they weren't even trying to come up with a good reason for things to be happening, a "Here, this is how it is, suck it" without even a hint at any of the larger purpose.

That said, I was still enjoying it by the end of the episode. I doubt it'll ever be very high on my to-watch list each week, but it's good enough to continue with for now, particularly for Akane at the moment, and a burning curiosity about the other girl in the OP that hasn't shown up yet.

Fudce
10-02-2009, 03:37 PM
Blah on the exposition, its like they weren't even trying to come up with a good reason for things to be happening, a "Here, this is how it is, suck it" without even a hint at any of the larger purpose.

I have a feeling that the why? and the why me? are going to be the primary plotpoints of Kampfer, with the relations and action as a means to an end.

Fencedude
10-02-2009, 03:41 PM
Blah on the exposition, its like they weren't even trying to come up with a good reason for things to be happening, a "Here, this is how it is, suck it" without even a hint at any of the larger purpose.


Its like Sekirei but less serious.

(plot? Who needs PLOT!?)

HitokiriShadow
10-02-2009, 03:44 PM
I have a feeling that the why? and the why me? are going to be the primary plotpoints of Kampfer, with the relations and action as a means to an end.

I'm skeptical that making sense and answering those kinds of questions is very high on this series's priority list. And I don't really want it to be. I think this series will be more fun if it takes the Asura Cryin' approach to making sense, which is to not even try.

pi8you
10-02-2009, 03:54 PM
I have a feeling that the why? and the why me? are going to be the primary plotpoints of Kampfer, with the relations and action as a means to an end.
Oh, I know, and don't really expect any more than that, but for whatever reason the way they did it this time around really grated on me.

Fencedude
10-02-2009, 03:56 PM
Oh, I know, and don't really expect any more than that, but for whatever reason the way they did it this time around really grated on me.

To an extent, if the plot is going to be ridiculous anyway, I'd rather avoid it as long as possible.

Suwako Moriya
10-02-2009, 03:56 PM
I have a feeling that the why? and the why me? are going to be the primary plotpoints of Kampfer, with the relations and action as a means to an end.

Meanwhile the show should focus on more important things like Akane and Akane. I don't know why, but I suddenly imagined Akane changing forms repeatedly during sex.

Fudce
10-02-2009, 04:16 PM
I have a feeling that the why? and the why me? are going to be the primary plotpoints of Kampfer, with the relations and action as a means to an end.

Meanwhile the show should focus on more important things like Akane and Akane. I don't know why, but I suddenly imagined Akane changing forms repeatedly during sex.

I know exactly why, and I want to imagine it more.

Fencedude
10-02-2009, 04:22 PM
You know, letting Akane have Boy Natsuru and Sakura (isn't her first name Kaede?) have Girl Natsuru, and they can just...swap days or something, seems like a perfectly reasonable compromise to me.

Suwako Moriya
10-02-2009, 04:28 PM
You know, letting Akane have Boy Natsuru and Sakura (isn't her first name Kaede?) have Girl Natsuru, and they can just...swap days or something, seems like a perfectly reasonable compromise to me.

That's an interesting solution and yes Kaede is her first name. Although I was about to ask the following. What if over time Glasses Akane decided she preferred one Natsuru and Gun Akane decided she preferred the other Natsuru?

Fencedude
10-02-2009, 04:32 PM
That's an interesting solution and yes Kaede is her first name. Although I was about to ask the following. What if over time Glasses Akane decided she preferred one Natsuru and Gun Akane decided she preferred the other Natsuru?

Gun Akane gets what Gun Akane wants.

Suwako Moriya
10-02-2009, 04:35 PM
What if over time Glasses Akane decided she preferred one Natsuru and Gun Akane decided she preferred the other Natsuru?Gun Akane gets what Gun Akane wants.

It sounds like Natsuru better learn to change forms on the fly in order to meet any demands that Gun Akane wants.

Westlo
10-02-2009, 05:07 PM
I wanted Toyoguchi Megumi for Akane but Horie Yui did a pretty damn good job voicing her two personalities. Akane's pretty much the only reason to watch this show atm.. though I liked what I heard from Nazuka Kaori's Shizuku.

Horie Yui was the absolutely perfect choice.

I'm really starting to <3 her a lot more than I used to.

Well I initially really wanted Toyoguchi Megumi because I used her Revy (Black Lagoon) voice in my head for Akane's Kampher personality which fit it perfect. But Horie is doing great and I have to agree about liking her more than I use to. I really didn't think much of her at first tbh but she's been impressing me more and more lately.

Fencedude
10-02-2009, 05:09 PM
Well I initially really wanted Toyoguchi Megumi because I used her Revy (Black Lagoon) voice in my head for Akane's Kampher personality which fit it perfect. But Horie is doing great and I have to agree about liking her more than I use to. I really didn't think much of her at first tbh but she's been impressing me more and more lately.

Indeed. I used to be very confused at the amount of love she got, never striking me as being particularly amazing, but sometime in the last few years she really broke out of the mould she was stuck in and has been hitting things out of the park.

(one really funny thing about Akane is that Glasses Akane has the personality that one fanartist gave to his interpretation Mihoko for a series of Saki parody 4koma)

tadakichi
10-02-2009, 06:04 PM
First new show of the season for me, and it's about what I expected. The character designs are fantastic, and the animation is solid. Other than that, the first episode didn't really draw me in, but it's got potential. I'm not completely sold yet, but I'll watch at least a couple more episodes.

Suwako Moriya
10-02-2009, 06:29 PM
Indeed. I used to be very confused at the amount of love she got, never striking me as being particularly amazing, but sometime in the last few years she really broke out of the mould she was stuck in and has been hitting things out of the park.

Would this be a good or bad time to point out that I've been fond of Horie Yui for awhile? Although whether my fondness is a of a higher level or lower level really depends on who you're comparing to me. I'd say it's a decent level, but I haven't exactly been sacrificing people to her.

Also, I think like a lot of other seiyuu that I like it's partially influenced by the characters that she's played. Which I realize is probably kind of shallow, but liking a character does help me pay more attention to them. Including their voice and thus their seiyuu by default.

As to the specific role in question aka Akane, I definitely like how she's handling it. Simply because at least for me, it feels like she fits both aspects of Akane well enough.

Fencedude
10-02-2009, 08:11 PM
Soo....

Minori + Mihoko + Crack == Akane?

Suwako Moriya
10-02-2009, 08:14 PM
Soo....

Minori + Mihoko + Crack == Akane?

Since I'm too lazy to come up with my own formula, I'm going to go ahead and say "Yes". Plus it make me imagine Minori and Mihoko having sex in order to give birth to Akane. Whether that's wrong or right, I don't know.

HitokiriShadow
10-02-2009, 08:15 PM
Soo....

Minori + Mihoko + Crack == Akane?

Kampfer mode Akane = Minori with stress and anger management issues

jlazar
10-02-2009, 08:51 PM
Interesting first episode. Still have to see another or two before I decide if I'll continue.

The going to the bathroom as a girl scene would have been funnier if they showed what the final decision on how to go wasand how messy it was. :)

Can't say the 'stuffed animals with entrails sticking out' are that intersting to watch. But they do get points for being a parody stab (literally) at the cute mascots of old. I mean, there have been times when I'd like to see those damn talking animals stabbed and gutted. :) :)

something
10-02-2009, 09:38 PM
Episode 1:

- School"girl"s with guns and super zettai ryouiki!
- Oh curse you OP, the gimmick yuri teasing is already through the roof.
- lol Inoue Marina. Maybe hearing Kana all the time will make it easier not to take it seriously. But huh, I wonder if I've heard her in a male role before. She hides her normal voice really well as a guy.
- Wait a sec... ::looks at ANN:: Inoue Marina, Mizuki Nana, Tamura Yukari, Horie Yui in the first four listed roles? And Asumi Kana and Noto Mamiko and Gotou Yuuko and Nazuka Kaori also in the list? Yay.
- As for Sakura... hey it's Gumi! Or her voice anyway, Nakajima Megumi.
- Haha, Horie Yui is a riot as usual.
- Aaaaaand Sakura falls in love. Sigh. :sd:
- Akane. Of course your name is Akane! Your short orange hair and headband and green eyes require it. And heh, Horie Yui totally using a different voice for this version of her.
- Hahah, she's adorable. What a personality shift.
- Oh god, that's the Tamura Yukari character....
- "He has a voice like Tamura Yukari-san..." Hahahahah, wtf.
- Boy falling on top of the girl didn't take long.
- Shizuku time.
- Akane is the best. She's such a perv.
- "I want her to fall in love with my male self." No, you're doing it wrong!
- lol, the ED is awesome.

Stupid Natsuru, what's so great about being a guy anyway? You make a much better girl, just go with it.

Fencedude
10-02-2009, 09:43 PM
- Akane. Of course your name is Akane! Your short orange hair and headband and green eyes require it.

This is the most fascinating phenomenon, isn't it?


- "I want her to fall in love with my male self." No, you're doing it wrong!
- lol, the ED is awesome.

Stupid Natsuru, what's so great about being a guy anyway? You make a much better girl, just go with it.

While not quite Hazumu levels of girliness, Natsuru loses nothing by becoming a girl. Edit: Including, interestingly, height.

Ashyukun
10-02-2009, 09:53 PM
OK, so this ended up being better than I was expecting it to be going in... but it's still got an uphill battle. I followed like 12 series this season, and I do NOT have the time anymore to do that. Still, it's definitely earned a watch of the second episode.

Fencedude
10-02-2009, 10:16 PM
OK, so this ended up being better than I was expecting it to be going in... but it's still got an uphill battle. I followed like 12 series this season, and I do NOT have the time anymore to do that. Still, it's definitely earned a watch of the second episode.

You know you do this to yourself every season.

Just watch the shows and stop fretting so much about how much time you have. You spend more time going on about how you don't have time to watch the shows than you do talking about the shows.

Suwako Moriya
10-02-2009, 11:09 PM
Just watch the shows and stop fretting so much about how much time you have.

As long as we're on the subject, I find the secret is realizing that not stuff does not have to be watched right away or on a timely schedule. Heck, I find having any form of schedule to be counter productive.

With the exception of when I feel like watching the live airing of a series. Sort of like I did with Kanamemo for example. Which sadly sometimes didn't work out the way I wanted due to either technical issues or over sleeping.

Aside from that it essentially boils down to if I have the time and I feel like watching an episode of whatever then I'll watch it. Whether or not it's the first time I watched the episode is another story.

I figure it this way, just because I'm late does not mean the series will suddenly cease to exist. Take for example Mecha Mote. It recently aired episode 27 and I'm in the middle of episode 16. Also, it took me weeks to actually seriously try out the series. Did I just admit to something here?

Sly05
10-02-2009, 11:14 PM
A pretty good start. I enjoyed all the voice actress in jokes and the action scenes were fairly well done. I agree that Senou should just hurry up and stay a girl already. Token male = unnecessary.

Sly05
10-02-2009, 11:20 PM
Also, I think like a lot of other seiyuu that I like it's partially influenced by the characters that she's played. Which I realize is probably kind of shallow, but liking a character does help me pay more attention to them. Including their voice and thus their seiyuu by default.

I don't think that's shallow. Even a great seiyuu can only do so much with an uninteresting character. A well written character is necessary to let them flex their talent.

Draneor
10-03-2009, 05:56 PM
Tamura Yukari as the Black Seppuku Bunny. Horie Yui as a foul mouthed, blood thirsty killer... The casting in this show is so wrong it's right.

Haha. Sakura loves Natsuruko. And Natsuru is an idiot and tells this to the clearly very yandere Akane who obviously likes him and wants to do this and that.

That's one way to make someone drop the honorific.

Senku
10-05-2009, 12:10 AM
That's one way to make someone drop the honorific.

"Wanna Die?" - Best line in the episode!

The age-old question rears its ugly head. Is it ok to like the girl-side of a person who is really a boy. Even though the main guy is cute as hell in girl form, I'm kinda partial to the Librarian/Gun psycho myself. But it's only one episode, can't choose a favorite just yet.

I liked the 4th wall humor. It feels like the creators just want to have fun and put on a good show.

The butt shaking in the ED looked silly, but the rest of it was heaven. With a cliffhanger ending which I thought was pretty good, I'm definitely coming back for episode 2, and most likely beyond.

But as funny as they sound, the Intestine Animals need to go.

Draneor
10-05-2009, 12:26 AM
Is it ok to like the girl-side of a person who is really a boy.

Absolutely.

But as funny as they sound, the Intestine Animals need to go.

I made the mistake of watching this during dinner. I don't handle blood and guts well.^^U

Isuzu Inugami
10-07-2009, 03:33 PM
Wow! That was fun! Want more.

The age-old question rears its ugly head. Is it ok to like the girl-side of a person who is really a boy.

Ahh, well, you can always reason if the cosmos didn't intend them to be a girl, we wouldn't have this plot development to begin with. I mean, only girls can be kampfers,* so obviously Natsuru wouldn't have been chosen if he, er, she weren't a girl, umpteen years of prior life experience notwithstanding. She just has this problem about forgetting and posing as a guy most of the time....

*Speaking of which, what the hell is going on, anyway?

I'm kinda partial to the Librarian/Gun psycho myself. But it's only one episode, can't choose a favorite just yet.

Yeah, too soon. Librarian yuri-crushing is unbearably cute, but I kind of like psycho girls myself. Though I sense great potential from what-color-is-her-hair sword-girl.


But as funny as they sound, the Intestine Animals need to go.

Awww, they're great because they're horribly disturbing. I haven't seen a mascot this good since that popeyed rabbit thing from Vampire Princess Miyu TV. Actually, I love how everyone is so casual about them--like they're the latest Sanrio product line or something.

Suwako Moriya
10-08-2009, 12:04 PM
Natsuru prevents Gun Akane from shooting Kaede. And then she ends up carrying Kaede.

I wonder how long it will take Mikoto to get a role aside from telling Natsuru where she's been and what she's been doing.

Glasses Akane and Natsuru get to have a talk with Shizuku.

Glasses Akane just loves to blush a lot and her thought process is just wow.

I can't tell which Entrail Animal is scarier.

Ah, nice eye catch of Gun Akane.

So Glasses Akane transforms into Gun Akane and helps Boy Natsuru transform into Girl Natsuru. Or wait maybe I should call the boy form "False" and the girl form "true" just to feel less wrong.

Natsuru and and Kaede spending time together while Akane is watching. And now we get a tense moment and Natsuru runs off.

Don't worry, she's come back to find Shizuku there instead and she's on the red team. Since she's on a different team than Akane, I must root against her by default.

Oh, and there's yet another one of those animals. There's probably going to be one animal per girl or guy who has to be a girl due to the rules.


Well, if nothing else, Shizuku does have an interesting weapon.

Just great, we got someone that cut fire balls.

It's clear that Natsuru is not the killing type, which is not surprising giving the way mains usually are.

I wonder how long before Natsuru gets a better explanation for they're fighting. Granted, I'm sure even the better explanation would still be a lie. With the truth not coming until much later.

Ah, the preview seems to indicate that Natsuru will be going to class in girl officially.

Fencedude
10-09-2009, 11:22 AM
Yes! Natsuru transferring to the girl's side == Win!

Also, Red ones really are 3 times faster! And the president's animal is voiced by Mizuki Nana lol.

The preview was utterly hilarious as well.

William K
10-09-2009, 12:03 PM
And the president's animal is voiced by Mizuki Nana lol.


I can't wait until the Mizuki Nana-sounding Kanden Yamaneko meets with the Tamura Yukari-sounding Seppuku Kuro Usagi :)

tadakichi
10-09-2009, 03:11 PM
If red-type Kampfer are three times faster, then do blue-types have any advantage to compensate? They have the advantage of numbers for now, but will that always be the case?

Anyway, more hot girls getting into fights and getting their clothing ripped in convenient places this episode. Also, Kaede confesses to Natsuru and Natsuru gets transferred to the girls' side. Interestingly enough, they've shown the male-to-female transformation several times so far, but we've never seen the reverse. Do Kampfer automatically revert to their human form after a certain amount of time passes, or what?

After two episodes, I'm definitely liking this show enough to continue.

Fencedude
10-09-2009, 03:15 PM
If red-type Kampfer are three times faster, then do blue-types have any advantage to compensate? They have the advantage of numbers for now, but will that always be the case?


Uhh...I think you missed the joke.

tadakichi
10-09-2009, 03:58 PM
If red-type Kampfer are three times faster, then do blue-types have any advantage to compensate? They have the advantage of numbers for now, but will that always be the case?


Uhh...I think you missed the joke.

Argh... my total lack of Gundam experience has been exposed. Or if it wasn't already exposed, I've just exposed it.

Draneor
10-09-2009, 08:02 PM
Natsuru, Akane is hot and wants to have sex with you. End of story. Forget about Sakura.

This show is a lot tamer than I thought it would be, based on the ending (then again, TBS). Except for the one moment that was obviously was going to be censored.

Yes! Natsuru transferring to the girl's side == Win!


I hope it's permanent.

nterestingly enough, they've shown the male-to-female transformation several times so far, but we've never seen the reverse. Do Kampfer automatically revert to their human form after a certain amount of time passes, or what?

For the love of hara-kiri stuffed animals, this is not the show to ask questions about.

HitokiriShadow
10-09-2009, 08:03 PM
I love the Yukari Tamura Seppuku Bunny. Definitely need more of that.

And then we get a Nana Mizuki Electrified Cat.

Akane (both versions) is currently a shoe in for my favorite character.

Also, based on the ED, there will be another animal mascot, a dog with a noose around its neck. A quick look at the cast list shows that it will be voiced by Mamiko Noto. I love this show.

Draneor
10-09-2009, 08:04 PM
A quick look at the cast list shows that it will be voiced by Mamiko Noto. I love this show.

Now this I have to see. I don't think I've ever heard a foul-mouthed Noto.

HitokiriShadow
10-09-2009, 08:05 PM
The preview was utterly hilarious as well.

I loved the MariMite OP spoof scene right at the very end.

Fencedude
10-09-2009, 08:06 PM
Natsuru, Akane is hot and wants to have sex with you. End of story. Forget about Sakura.


Pft, lesbian sex with Kaede >> straight sex with Akane.

Also significantly less likely to be fatal.

Draneor
10-09-2009, 08:08 PM
Pft, lesbian sex with Kaede >> straight sex with Akane.

I don't think Akane cares either way, to be honest.

HitokiriShadow
10-09-2009, 08:11 PM
Pft, lesbian sex with Kaede >> straight sex with Akane.

I don't think Akane cares either way, to be honest.

What? This episode made it very clear that she wants Natsuru's bone badly.

Draneor
10-09-2009, 08:12 PM
What? This episode made it very clear that she wants Natsuru's bone badly.

She also blushes around female Natsuru so I don't think cares either way what gender he/she is.

William K
10-10-2009, 05:18 AM
What? This episode made it very clear that she wants Natsuru's bone badly.

She also blushes around female Natsuru so I don't think cares either way what gender he/she is.

If you watch the beginning of the episode where Natsuru is stopping Akane from shooting Kaede, watch where Natsuru's left hand is :)

Suwako Moriya
10-10-2009, 12:40 PM
Akane (both versions) is currently a shoe in for my favorite character.

It could change later, but yeah she's definitely a contender for my favorite as well.


Also, based on the ED, there will be another animal mascot, a dog with a noose around its neck. A quick look at the cast list shows that it will be voiced by Mamiko Noto. I love this show

Wow. At least we know the true purpose of this series.

Suwako Moriya
10-10-2009, 12:44 PM
If you watch the beginning of the episode where Natsuru is stopping Akane from shooting Kaede, watch where Natsuru's left hand is :)

Yeah, I definitely noticed that. Even more when framing through the episode in order to get images for avatars.

Speaking of Kaede, I think given her "handing out of messenger dolls", we should be somewhat cautious of her.

TheGreenMan
10-10-2009, 05:48 PM
The seriyuu jokes were hilarious.

Finding out the girl you like is a lesbian and wants to bang your female alterego, priceless.

Mitsuki
10-10-2009, 06:10 PM
Speaking of Kaede, I think given her "handing out of messenger dolls", we should be somewhat cautious of her.

Well, like I said, the fact that she seems to know nothing of Kampfers when they appear in front of her means she either is a really good actress or just has weird taste in gifts.

Suwako Moriya
10-10-2009, 08:46 PM
Speaking of Kaede, I think given her "handing out of messenger dolls", we should be somewhat cautious of her.Well, like I said, the fact that she seems to know nothing of Kampfers when they appear in front of her means she either is a really good actress or just has weird taste in gifts.

There's also the "hidden personality" or "fake personality" routes. Or heck maybe, she's essentially being used by someone to hand out the creepy dolls. After all, in order to give them out, she has to get them from somewhere herself. Or they could appear out of nowhere and end up next to her...

pi8you
10-13-2009, 02:47 AM
Cute girls, cute man-girls, fun personalities, and the potential for some excellent inconvenient-gender-switch gags make this a no-brainer. My only complaint about the show so far is that that's some really terrible fight animation/choreography for something that's at least nominally a fighting show

Sakura is soooooo an evil mastermind with those dolls

Buster Darkwings
10-14-2009, 10:57 PM
Been watching this show since it's got a great seiyuu cast and the broadcasts have Japanese closed captions (which generally makes shows easier to follow if they use difficult vocab, this isn't really the case for this show but I leave them on anyway for speed-reading practice). The designs are nice and the show is enjoyable but it hasn't grabbed me much. The broadcasts are also in upscaled SD which is a major turn-off, so I might drop it.

I noticed a lot of people referring to Kaede as Sakura though. Sakura is actually her family name (佐倉, not 桜 or さくら/サクラ) and not her given name. This seems to be a common mistake among non-Japanese, so just thought I'd make a note for those not aware.

edit: Whoops, it's actually 沙倉 and not 佐倉 for her family name.

Draneor
10-14-2009, 11:00 PM
I noticed a lot of people referring to Kaede as Sakura though. Sakura is actually her family name[...]

Speaking for myself, I'm aware. I tend to call characters by either their first or last name, depending on whichever one I feel like at the time. For some characters, I just plain prefer to call them by their last name.

Fencedude
10-14-2009, 11:02 PM
I noticed a lot of people referring to Kaede as Sakura though. Sakura is actually her family name (佐倉, not 桜 or さくら/サクラ) and not her given name. This seems to be a common mistake among non-Japanese, so just thought I'd make a note for those not aware.

Quite aware of that.

We have two ditzy Kaede's this season, so this one gets to be Sakura.

pi8you
10-15-2009, 01:56 AM
I noticed a lot of people referring to Kaede as Sakura though. Sakura is actually her family name (佐倉, not 桜 or さくら/サクラ) and not her given name. This seems to be a common mistake among non-Japanese, so just thought I'd make a note for those not aware.

Quite aware of that.

We have two ditzy Kaede's this season, so this one gets to be Sakura.
And as a non-speaker, I'm just following the one that's trending! :D

Suwako Moriya
10-15-2009, 11:58 AM
Just in case, you missed an episode, this show will give you some idea what happened.

It figures that Natsuru would end up in the same class as Akane. I'm half-guessing it was intentional.

Apparently Natsuru is popular with the girls. See? This is why you should give up being a guy.

Suddenly a Kaede appears and takes Natsuru away with her. Just when she was about to have a moment, the bracet glows.

And now it's time to have a conversation with Akane.

Having a normal class is going to be quite the challenge with everyone going after Natsuru.

Now she's being interviewed?

It looks like we'll have a different swimsuit each episode.

Lots of interesting girls in the class.

Girls that are clearly determined to have their way.

Mikoto, don't just send post cards, get some screen time.

Random stupid question. Is there anyway we can end up with an Akane x Akane match up?

I wonder if Akane has any real chance? I guess it depends on whether or not Kaede ends up as one of those characters that the lead realizes s/he simply had a crush on the girl, but didn't really love her.

I get the feeling there might be a war between Kaede and the err harem of girls.

Quality time with Kaede ruined by Shizuku?

And now Natsuru is back to being a guy. First, we have angry Akane followed by angry Kaede and now the episode ends?

Fudce
10-16-2009, 10:40 AM
So basicly we have Kaede loving Natsuru (F) and thinking that Natsuru (M) is cheating on Natsuru (F) by having illicit relations with Akane (cute). Akane (cute) has a huge thing for Natsuru (M) and it's beginning to look like Akane (hot) has a thing for Natsuru (F), and Natsuru (F) has become the object of lust for majority of the girl's side (I love twintail melon girl, and scary long-hair girl is also kind of cute) and Natsuru (M) will undoubtedly become a hate figure for them.

It's very confusing, but I think the moral of the story is that girls should like girls, and Akane (hot) x Natsuru (F) is probably the best possible pairing in the anime so far.


On a completely different note, and if my suspicions are correct and you know - please for the love of all things yuri don't confirm them - I'm beginning to wonder about Mikoto. I noticed in episode 2 that the postcard was taken in such a way as to hide the wrist where the armbands go - and checking in episode 3 again it's just off camera. It wouldn't surprise me to find her having something to do with the goings-on.

Fencedude
10-16-2009, 11:05 AM
So basicly we have Kaede loving Natsuru (F) and thinking that Natsuru (M) is cheating on Natsuru (F) by having illicit relations with Akane (cute). Akane (cute) has a huge thing for Natsuru (M) and it's beginning to look like Akane (hot) has a thing for Natsuru (F), and Natsuru (F) has become the object of lust for majority of the girl's side (I love twintail melon girl, and scary long-hair girl is also kind of cute) and Natsuru (M) will undoubtedly become a hate figure for them.

It's very confusing, but I think the moral of the story is that girls should like girls, and Akane (hot) x Natsuru (F) is probably the best possible pairing in the anime so far.

Girl Problems: The Animation - Genderswap Edition

Anyway, Shizuku's also involved...somehow, though right now she's just trolling Sakura. I loled at the declaration at the end. Akane's in the minority at that school, it seems. I could totally go for Akane (hot) x Natsuru (F)

For the class rep trio, its odd that the Class Rep and Treasurer are new Seiyuu, while the Vice Rep is...Goto Yuko.


On a completely different note, and if my suspicions are correct and you know - please for the love of all things yuri don't confirm them - I'm beginning to wonder about Mikoto. I noticed in episode 2 that the postcard was taken in such a way as to hide the wrist where the armbands go - and checking in episode 3 again it's just off camera. It wouldn't surprise me to find her having something to do with the goings-on.

Well, I think this is fairly obvious, personally.

Fudce
10-16-2009, 11:11 AM
On a completely different note, and if my suspicions are correct and you know - please for the love of all things yuri don't confirm them - I'm beginning to wonder about Mikoto. I noticed in episode 2 that the postcard was taken in such a way as to hide the wrist where the armbands go - and checking in episode 3 again it's just off camera. It wouldn't surprise me to find her having something to do with the goings-on.

Well, I think this is fairly obvious, personally.

Fair point... It does make you wonder what colour she is though.

Fencedude
10-16-2009, 11:12 AM
On a completely different note, and if my suspicions are correct and you know - please for the love of all things yuri don't confirm them - I'm beginning to wonder about Mikoto. I noticed in episode 2 that the postcard was taken in such a way as to hide the wrist where the armbands go - and checking in episode 3 again it's just off camera. It wouldn't surprise me to find her having something to do with the goings-on.

Well, I think this is fairly obvious, personally.

Fair point... It does make you wonder what colour she is though.

I'd assume red. For maximum comic potential.

Westlo
10-16-2009, 12:15 PM
Well, I think this is fairly obvious, personally.

Not to mention the ED..

pathos
10-16-2009, 01:38 PM
Well, I think this is fairly obvious, personally.

Not to mention the ED..

Yeah, the card flipping with her holding a weapon might be a give away :P

Suwako Moriya
10-16-2009, 01:48 PM
I'd assume red. For maximum comic potential.

That and it would even things out. As you'd have two being red and two being blue. I'm going to take a wild guess that when Mikoto finally does return, she'll first appear in her Kampfer form. I'm also going to assume that Natsuru won't realize it's Mikoto until near the end of the episode or later.

There's a lot they can do with Mikoto being on the other side, but they can't do anything until she returns. So I just hope it's not going to be a case of a character waiting until the series is over to show up. She better show up by episode 5.

I wonder. If the two sides ultimately decided to band together, should we consider their color to be purple?

Fudce
10-16-2009, 01:59 PM
Well, I think this is fairly obvious, personally.

Not to mention the ED..

Yeah, the card flipping with her holding a weapon might be a give away :P

Is that her? I thought it looked similar but wasn't 100% sure.

Fencedude
10-16-2009, 02:04 PM
Well, I think this is fairly obvious, personally.

Not to mention the ED..

Yeah, the card flipping with her holding a weapon might be a give away :P

Is that her? I thought it looked similar but wasn't 100% sure.

End of the OP as well.

Mitsuki
10-16-2009, 03:22 PM
This was a good episode. Kaede's misunderstanding was hilarious, Akane-chan's even more so ("How can you be so arrogant?"). And the assorted other girls are awesome, especially Yuko Goto's character.

I was kind of disappointed to see no Kampfer stuff in this episode, though. I hope they keep themselves paced okay, especially if this turns out to be only a one cour show.

Fencedude
10-16-2009, 03:26 PM
I was kind of disappointed to see no Kampfer stuff in this episode, though. I hope they keep themselves paced okay, especially if this turns out to be only a one cour show.

Pft, the Kampfer stuff is entirely secondary.

Suwako Moriya
10-16-2009, 03:31 PM
I was kind of disappointed to see no Kampfer stuff in this episode, though. I hope they keep themselves paced okay, especially if this turns out to be only a one cour show.

While I do hope for another Kampfer battle in the future, I'm kind of glad they took a break from it in this episode. As it would have just ruined the flow and reduced the amount of time we'd get to see the other students.

I think the key here will be making sure the battles that do get shown truly count. Also, if there's going to be a boss of the season, I hope she'll make for an interesting match. One that does more than go "Everything bounces off me" and doesn't boil down to "You breathed on me, I am defeated".

Suwako Moriya
10-16-2009, 04:08 PM
Pft, the Kampfer stuff is entirely secondary.

The true main purpose to the Kamper stuff was to give us Gun Akane. Oh, and helping to correct the mistake made in regards to Natsuru. Speaking of the Kampfer stuff, I think how many battles are actually needed depend on the following factors.

First, how many girls in the series will actually be Kampfer. Second, how many repeat battles are they going to have. For example, they could decide that one battle between X and Y is more than enough.

For some reason I just suddenly imagined Natsuru finding out that most of her classmates are actually Kampfer. I then imagined the main villain (I expect there to be one) having a personal army of Kampfer. I have no idea why.

HitokiriShadow
10-17-2009, 10:35 PM
LOL Nishino. "If a hottie like you can't get anyone, the rest of us are screwed!"

The committee group is pretty fun too. The vice president was voiced by exactly who I thought it was, but it was not surprise I didn't recognize the other two, either in voice or name, as one has only had one previous role and this is the very first role ever for the person voicing the president.

Then the Student Council President makes things complicated. I'm really loving Kaede after this episode, her parts in the last five minutes were great.

HitokiriShadow
10-17-2009, 11:02 PM
For the class rep trio, its odd that the Class Rep and Treasurer are new Seiyuu, while the Vice Rep is...Goto Yuko.

It is a little odd, but I was more intrigued by yet more roles being given to completely new seiyuu or seiyuu with very, very few roles prior to the one that caused me to look them up. It's been happening a lot in the past few seasons. It seems the industry is really working at bringing new talent in this year.

It makes sense, I suppose, since most of the big name seiyuu have been around for at least 5 years, many of them much longer. I can find Yui Horie roles from as early as 1998, Houko Kuwashima from 1996, Yukari Tamura from 2000, Mamiko Noto, Miyuki Sawashiro, and Ayako Kawasumi from 2001, and Rie Kugimiya from 2002. Marina Inoue is relatively new, debuting in 2004. I knew Mamiko Noto had been around since at least 2001 since I recognized her when I was watching X TV and knew about Marina Inoue's debut role (though I had forgotten about it and when it had come out), but I had never tried to find out how long any of the others have been around.

On a completely different note, and if my suspicions are correct and you know - please for the love of all things yuri don't confirm them - I'm beginning to wonder about Mikoto. I noticed in episode 2 that the postcard was taken in such a way as to hide the wrist where the armbands go - and checking in episode 3 again it's just off camera. It wouldn't surprise me to find her having something to do with the goings-on.Well, I think this is fairly obvious, personally.

I hadn't paid attention to how she was positioned in the post card, but this doesn't surprise me in the least, as it seemed natural that she would also be a Kampfer. I'm assuming she also receives a drastic makeover and will be the last Kampfer from the OP and have the Mamiko Noto voiced stuffed dog.

Fencedude
10-17-2009, 11:11 PM
It is a little odd, but I was more intrigued by yet more roles being given to completely new seiyuu or seiyuu with very, very few roles prior to the one that caused me to look them up. It's been happening a lot in the past few seasons. It seems the industry is really working at bringing new talent in this year.

It makes sense, I suppose, since most of the big name seiyuu have been around for at least 5 years, many of them much longer. I can find Yui Horie roles from as early as 1998, Houko Kuwashima from 1996, Yukari Tamura from 2000, Mamiko Noto, Miyuki Sawashiro, and Ayako Kawasumi from 2001, and Rie Kugimiya from 2002. Marina Inoue is relatively new, debuting in 2004. I knew Mamiko Noto had been around since at least 2001 since I recognized her when I was watching X TV and knew about Marina Inoue's debut role (though I had forgotten about it and when it had come out), but I had never tried to find out how long any of the others have been around.

This has been a good year for new Seiyuu. Lots and lots of new voices. Will be interesting to see who sticks around for the long haul.

EmperorBrandon
10-18-2009, 01:17 AM
It is a little odd, but I was more intrigued by yet more roles being given to completely new seiyuu or seiyuu with very, very few roles prior to the one that caused me to look them up. It's been happening a lot in the past few seasons. It seems the industry is really working at bringing new talent in this year.

Well, one reason is that they might be trying to save money, as newer seiyuu aren't paid as much as "big name seiyuu".

It makes sense, I suppose, since most of the big name seiyuu have been around for at least 5 years, many of them much longer. I can find Yui Horie roles from as early as 1998, Houko Kuwashima from 1996, Yukari Tamura from 2000, Mamiko Noto, Miyuki Sawashiro, and Ayako Kawasumi from 2001, and Rie Kugimiya from 2002.

Rie Kugimiya has been voicing roles since 1999 in anime (seems she had a 1998 game), though she didn't have fairly major role (CBD Rena!) until 2000. Ayako Kawasumi's debut was as Melfina in Outlaw Star in 1998.

Fencedude
10-18-2009, 01:29 AM
Rie Kugimiya has been voicing roles since 1999 in anime (seems she had a 1998 game), though she didn't have fairly major role (CBD Rena!) until 2000.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

I need to rewatch HMM now.

EmperorBrandon
10-18-2009, 01:43 AM
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

I need to rewatch HMM now.

I tend to like watching it dubbed, but Hand Maid May has an interesting Japanese cast. It seems it was Takahashi Mikako's first major anime role as well (though she had done smaller roles before) - she's my favorite out of the cast there.

Fencedude
10-18-2009, 01:50 AM
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

I need to rewatch HMM now.

I tend to like watching it dubbed, but Hand Maid May has an interesting Japanese cast. It seems it was Takahashi Mikako's first major anime role as well (though she had done smaller roles before) - she's my favorite out of the cast there.

Yeah, I tend to watch it dubbed as well. In fact, I doubt I've ever watched the entire thing subbed.

Westlo
10-18-2009, 05:45 AM
It is a little odd, but I was more intrigued by yet more roles being given to completely new seiyuu or seiyuu with very, very few roles prior to the one that caused me to look them up. It's been happening a lot in the past few seasons. It seems the industry is really working at bringing new talent in this year.

Well, one reason is that they might be trying to save money, as newer seiyuu aren't paid as much as "big name seiyuu".

I think that's the main reason most of the time. You tend to see a lot of series with newer/cheaper stars casted in the main roles with the veterans/expensive seiyuu being in the support roles. Sadly you see certain veterans start to get frozen out from new main roles... sadly I doubt we'll see Yukino Satsuki ever get another lead role that isn't a character she's voiced before (Kagome and Chidori if FMP gets another season)... even though she's a better VA than 99% of these new stars will end up being... I can see the same happening to Kuwashima Houko now too.

Fencedude
10-18-2009, 05:49 AM
So, anyone want to make any bets on whether or not we'll ever see a Kampfer battle actually played out to its conclusion?

Suwako Moriya
10-18-2009, 04:01 PM
So, anyone want to make any bets on whether or not we'll ever see a Kampfer battle actually played out to its conclusion?

Well, if a Kampfer ends up being the final boss then maybe at least that one? Or wait, maybe she'll turn out to be say for example a 11 year old girl that only needed a hug.

something
10-18-2009, 06:00 PM
Episode 2:

- You know, I'm just going to tell myself that Natsuru is, in truth, actually a girl. Only females can become kampfers, so she must be female deep down! The male body is just a lie! An illusion! Transforming brings out her true self!
- Hah, I think non-kampfer Akane is my favorite character.
- GJ Natsuru, not even coming up with a fake name. :sd:
- You go Kaede! She confessed!
- "You Mizuki Nana impersonator!" XD
- And fighting.

Yes! Transfer to the girls side and stay there! For good! BECAUSE YOU ARE A GIRL! And heh, Marimite joke.

something
10-18-2009, 06:07 PM
I noticed a lot of people referring to Kaede as Sakura though. Sakura is actually her family name (佐倉, not 桜 or さくら/サクラ) and not her given name. This seems to be a common mistake among non-Japanese, so just thought I'd make a note for those not aware.Quite aware of that. We have two ditzy Kaede's this season, so this one gets to be Sakura.And as a non-speaker, I'm just following the one that's trending! :D
Heh, and I just got done watching the other Kaede in Nyan Koi before watching this. :sd: But yeah, what I call a character depends on what they go by early on. I tend to pick something in the first few eps and then it sticks. If the character isn't called overwhelmingly by one name at first, I tend to default to the given name for females. Less so for males, for some reason.

Draneor
10-19-2009, 12:07 AM
Natsuru, Akane's going to protect you, and you're going to like it. End of story. And re: everyone else, you're cuter than Natsuru. Really. All of you. Natsuru, you're incredibly dense and an insensitive clod. Finally, Sakura is totally crazy.

So, anyone want to make any bets on whether or not we'll ever see a Kampfer battle actually played out to its conclusion?

There's supposed to be a battle?

Ty
10-21-2009, 03:19 AM
Haha, oh wow. This show is both retarded and awesome at the same time. Really, that describes just about everything about it. The premise? Both awesome and retarded. The completely random and blatant voice actress references? Incredibly awesome, yet retarded. The stuffed animals? Hilariously awesome, but what a retarded idea for a stuffed animal series. Everything else less so because it's all been done and seen before, but the energy level and presentation are really good.

About the only thing I was put off by was the "instant start" beginning and just throwing us in. I've said it before and will do so again: that's just lazy. Develop a real plot and a real motivator to begin the story and get the audiences attention.

Still, I say retarded in a good way actually. This episode was a lot of fun and I'll probably stick with this.

bluesilo
10-22-2009, 09:57 AM
Okay, so I just watched episode 3 and this may be the worst show that I've Enjoyed, ever. Its just really bad. I don't know why I enjoy this train wreck, but I do. That being said I do wish the main character would remain female all the time. The show is much more enjoyable in that way. I loved the Maria Watches Over Us intro to episode 3. I guess I'll watch another one...maybe.

Suwako Moriya
10-22-2009, 06:33 PM
Shizuku takes actions. Got to love Akane coming into shoot just Shizuku tries to kiss Natsuru.

It's time to go bra shopping.

Now we have karaoke and I wait to see if anyone recognizes the songs. They could be new, but they could also be references.

Is it just me or has the true battle started?

Mikoto, appear already!

Fencedude
10-24-2009, 12:18 AM
Oh Natsuru, you're such a girl, even when you're a guy.

Thankfully, there was minimal guy-Natsuru this episode, but what we did have was BRA SHOPPING!

Shizuku gets off on trolling people, and Sakura has some serious chutzpa. As for the singing Sakura > Akane >> Shizuku. Not that this should be surprising. Shame Natsuru didn't sing.

They seem to have added a shimmering effect to the underside of Shizuku's hair when she's transformed, its...interesting.

And its still goddamn weird hearing Nakajima Megumi's voice coming out of someone with tits.

Mitsuki
10-24-2009, 04:05 PM
I'm definitely now realizing I was misguided in expecting a plot. Not that I mind much, that is. The bra shopping bit was brilliant.

Suwako Moriya
10-24-2009, 04:13 PM
I'm definitely now realizing I was misguided in expecting a plot. Not that I mind much, that is. The bra shopping bit was brilliant.

Well, I'm sure there will be a plot eventually, but it will be more along the lines of a quick thrown together 1 to 3 episode plot meant to close off the season as it were. Something along the lines of choose some random person to be the final boss. A person that Natsuru will either defeat or end up adding to her harem. I think anything more complex than that will either be saved for a future season or just completely ignored as unimportant.

HitokiriShadow
10-24-2009, 10:57 PM
Man, Shizuku is evil.

Also, pushy doesn't begin to describe Kaede.

Fencedude
10-24-2009, 11:02 PM
Also, pushy doesn't begin to describe Kaede.

She's got bigger balls than Natsuru, thats for sure.

Fencedude
10-25-2009, 05:52 AM
Also, pushy doesn't begin to describe Kaede.

She's got bigger balls than Natsuru, thats for sure.

Kaede's balls are so big they KILLED THIS ENTIRE SUBFORUM

Suwako Moriya
10-25-2009, 12:36 PM
Kaede's balls are so big they KILLED THIS ENTIRE SUBFORUM

That's both impressive and creepy. I wonder what the chances are of someone using a ball and chain as a weapon are.

Isuzu Inugami
10-26-2009, 06:25 PM
Shizuku gets off on trolling people, and Sakura has some serious chutzpa. As for the singing Sakura > Akane >> Shizuku. Not that this should be surprising. Shame Natsuru didn't sing.

Beware karaoke battle! See, there was Kampfer fighting this episode.


They seem to have added a shimmering effect to the underside of Shizuku's hair when she's transformed, its...interesting.

Yeah, I like it, but that seems to be about the extent of her transformation. She kind of got gypped. Or maybe they consider her to already have the perfect character design, which I wouldn't necessarily disagree with.

Suwako Moriya
10-26-2009, 07:06 PM
Shizuku gets off on trolling people, and Sakura has some serious chutzpa. As for the singing Sakura > Akane >> Shizuku. Not that this should be surprising. Shame Natsuru didn't sing. Beware karaoke battle! See, there was Kampfer fighting this episode.

And if we accept Fencedude's judgment the Kampfer match was won by the none-Kampfer. Watch as later on the show reveals Sakura to be some type of Kampfer. On a side note, I find the fact that many characters wear long sleeves to be highly convenient.

Fencedude
10-26-2009, 07:20 PM
Shizuku gets off on trolling people, and Sakura has some serious chutzpa. As for the singing Sakura > Akane >> Shizuku. Not that this should be surprising. Shame Natsuru didn't sing. Beware karaoke battle! See, there was Kampfer fighting this episode.

And if we accept Fencedude's judgment the Kampfer match was won by the none-Kampfer. Watch as later on the show reveals Sakura to be some type of Kampfer. On a side note, I find the fact that many characters wear long sleeves to be highly convenient.

Sakura's an Efreet.

Draneor
10-27-2009, 10:17 PM
Watch as later on the show reveals Sakura to be some type of Kampfer.

Well, we know Sakura was the one who gave Natsuru the lovely stuffed animal in the first place. So either she's totally oblivious or she's involved.

Suwako Moriya
10-27-2009, 10:56 PM
Watch as later on the show reveals Sakura to be some type of Kampfer.Well, we know Sakura was the one who gave Natsuru the lovely stuffed animal in the first place. So either she's totally oblivious or she's involved.

I'm sticking with the theory that the Sakura we know is a fake personality being manipulated by the real personality without even knowing it. Or something like that.

Suwako Moriya
10-29-2009, 03:43 PM
It's like the most epic battle ever. I'm not sure if that was supposed to be a contest or a play, but it was awesome. It was like one grand entrance after another, with Shizuku stealing the show. I can foresee fun avatars out of this one, although it may take a bit more time to get around to making them for off topic reasons.

Mikoto finally makes a real appearance and she'll get screen time in the next episode. Looks like it will be her turn to get the fighting Natsuru out of her system thing before joining the harem.

I fully expect them to have it so that Natsuru and Mikoto don't realize that each of them have two identities at first. Also, it would be amusing if Mikoto came in thinking that female Natsuru was trying to steal away male Natsuru. Sort of like a reverse of Sakura.

Isuzu Inugami
10-29-2009, 04:40 PM
Watch as later on the show reveals Sakura to be some type of Kampfer.Well, we know Sakura was the one who gave Natsuru the lovely stuffed animal in the first place. So either she's totally oblivious or she's involved.

I'm sticking with the theory that the Sakura we know is a fake personality being manipulated by the real personality without even knowing it. Or something like that.

Would it be too evil to suppose Sakura is the Kampfer persona, and "real" Sakura is actually a guy? :devil:

Fencedude
10-29-2009, 04:42 PM
Would it be too evil to suppose Sakura is the Kampfer persona, and "real" Sakura is actually a guy? :devil:

That would be pretty hilarious, actually.

I'm still pretty sure she's a moderator though, even if she may not consciously know it.

Draneor
10-29-2009, 04:44 PM
Would it be too evil to suppose Sakura is the Kampfer persona, and "real" Sakura is actually a guy? :devil:

I'm game. But I am an Akane fan.

something
10-31-2009, 12:55 AM
Episode 3:

- Inoue Marina's voice makes girls melt!
- And Gotou Yuuko wants to smell her!
- Hahah, Kaede is so going in for the kill. Awesome.
- Holy crap these girls are epically gay.
- Masumi is great.
- Class rep is whoring Natsuru out something fierce.
- Now she's just been mugged and is about to get molested. >_> That's kind of fucked up. :sd:
- Ohhhh god Akane is adoable. And Natsuru is a moron. But she's hot!
- Daaaaamn Kaede is aggressive.
- Shizuku, you're an incredible bitch. Wow, she just complicated things.
- Nooooo, fake male Natsuru is not wanted! Go away!
- Heh and now Kaede hates male Natsuru. Guess he'll just have to stay a girl now!

There's like a negative ten thousand percent chance of this show going the way I want it to. I should really stop watching now. =P

Fencedude
10-31-2009, 01:00 AM
There's like a negative ten thousand percent chance of this show going the way I want it to. I should really stop watching now. =P

I expect absolutely zero resolution, plotwise or relationshipwise.

And you know, thats perfectly fine.

something
10-31-2009, 01:26 AM
Episode 4:

- This episode already has far too much male Natsuru for my tastes.
- Erotic shoulder massage!
- Shizuku seems to be strangely confused. Natsuru is a girl. Always was, always will be. She just sometimes turns into a boy by accident. I mean, this seems obvious to me.
- Shizuku is horrible. Thus, I like her. She's brilliant at making Natsuru's life hell.

something
10-31-2009, 01:31 AM
I expect absolutely zero resolution, plotwise or relationshipwise.
And you know, thats perfectly fine.
They won't resolve anything (especially if they plan a second season, but even if they don't), but I'm certain they won't leave him as a girl. Kaede will find out what's up and "realize" she likes male Natsuru and yawn blah etc.

Fencedude
10-31-2009, 01:33 AM
I expect absolutely zero resolution, plotwise or relationshipwise.
And you know, thats perfectly fine.
They won't resolve anything (especially if they plan a second season, but even if they don't), but I'm certain they'll won't leave him as a girl. Kaede will find out what's up and "realize" she likes male Natsuru and yawn blah etc.

Kaede's so totally the final boss.

And heck, we still haven't even met the fifth girl, can't wait to see what complications we get now.

Also, if he ends up staying as a guy, he'll get Akane, not Kaede. Guaranteed.

Suwako Moriya
10-31-2009, 02:27 AM
Also, if he ends up staying as a guy, he'll get Akane, not Kaede. Guaranteed.

Kaede's chance depends heavily on how "strong" Natsuru's love for her is. I've seen too many scenarios where the guy is crushing on girl X, but then realizes that his crush was merely just a crush and he ends up with girl Y.

Regardless of who has the best chance, if I had to root for anyone, I'd be rooting for Akane. Her interaction with Natsuru seems to give me the feeling she'd work the best.

In any case, I get the feeling Natsuru is probably doomed to remain male and female just to make his/her life miserable. Thus whoever ends up with Natsuru is effectively going to have to be bi. In other words, Natsuru should end up with Nene!

HitokiriShadow
10-31-2009, 06:14 PM
I loved bunnygirl Masumi, especially her wiggling ears.

Those girls that caught the Entrail Animals look too well designed to be one off characters that we'll never see again. They'll definitely be returning at some point as Kampfers.

Sakura is... very weird. And Mikoto is right there in the middle of the screen when Sakura throws the bouquet...

And then, Shizuku of the Rebellion appears. And she KOs all three of them.

Mikoto finally speaks in person! Ah, so Mikoto wasn't a Kampfer yet, but she will be very soon. And she gets a doll voiced by Mamiko Not! I can't wait to see what she's like as a Kampfer or how she fits into things. The OP doesn't show her bracelet, but I'm guessing its going to be red. Partly because it would be too unbalanced otherwise and partly because that makes things more complicated than if she was on the same team as Natsuru. In any case, I can't wait to see more of her, as she's always seemed like a character that I would really like and the little bit we saw of her here supported that notion.

Westlo
10-31-2009, 06:33 PM
Yeah I don't expect any conclusion for this period.. like every other light novel adaption they will leave it open, just hope for a good stopping point.

I expect absolutely zero resolution, plotwise or relationshipwise.
And you know, thats perfectly fine.
They won't resolve anything (especially if they plan a second season, but even if they don't), but I'm certain they'll won't leave him as a girl. Kaede will find out what's up and "realize" she likes male Natsuru and yawn blah etc.

Kaede's so totally the final boss.

This, + she's a lesbian.

Also, if he ends up staying as a guy, he'll get Akane, not Kaede. Guaranteed.

Hmm I like Akane but not as much as her Kampfer form.. still prefer her over Kaede 100%. It would be awesome if they threw the cliche choices out the door and went with Shizuku. Of course Mikoto is yet to come, wonder how that changes things.

Fencedude
11-01-2009, 01:05 AM
Those girls that caught the Entrail Animals look too well designed to be one off characters that we'll never see again. They'll definitely be returning at some point as Kampfers.


Yeah, we need some disposable Kampfers, though I wonder if the entire game is as deadly as advertised. Somehow I doubt it.

Suwako Moriya
11-01-2009, 01:24 AM
And then, Shizuku of the Rebellion appears. And she KOs all three of them.

I'm trying to figure out exactly what happened since the knife just flew past them and didn't seem to hit anyone. Was it some type of "sound" attack? Was there some "magical" property to it? Also, I have to wonder. If she was capable of doing this then you'd think she would have done so in the previous battle.

Suwako Moriya
11-01-2009, 01:28 AM
Those girls that caught the Entrail Animals look too well designed to be one off characters that we'll never see again. They'll definitely be returning at some point as Kampfers.Yeah, we need some disposable Kampfers, though I wonder if the entire game is as deadly as advertised. Somehow I doubt it.

I wonder what the chances are of those girls somehow getting together and forming some sort of Kampfer trio are. I think if there is any deadly aspect to the game then it probably won't come up until near the end of the season at best.

Isuzu Inugami
11-02-2009, 05:59 PM
I loved bunnygirl Masumi, especially her wiggling ears.

Those were great. Also, the drawn out "Kaaaampfffaa" in the eyecatch was hilarious. Also, the blatantly lesbian (which one?!) girl whose name I don't know scoring and sniffing (in public!) Natsuru's swimsuit. Yow!


Mikoto finally speaks in person! The OP doesn't show her bracelet, but I'm guessing its going to be red. Partly because it would be too unbalanced otherwise and partly because that makes things more complicated than if she was on the same team as Natsuru. Looking at the ending theme, she seems to be a sword type, which makes me think she'll be blue, since Shizuku is already Team Red's sword bearer. Which is getting really unbalanced, but then again there are the audience girls, so maybe we'll see some backup for Shizuku (not that she needs it!) Or maybe team composition is totally random.

HitokiriShadow
11-02-2009, 06:09 PM
Also, the blatantly lesbian (which one?!) girl whose name I don't know scoring and sniffing (in public!) Natsuru's swimsuit. Yow!


You don't know it because it hasn't been given. In the credits (or at least ANN's version), she' just "Assistant Committee Chairperson". Just remember her as That Girl Voiced by Yuko Goto.

Fencedude
11-06-2009, 08:52 AM
Ahahahahah, well, that went about as expected.

Mikoto's pretty awesome, and it turns out that she's a red, as we predicted.

However, now that that's over with, MORE ROMANTIC HIJINKS AND FANSERVICE!

Speaking of which, Maid Natsuru was <3

Suwako Moriya
11-06-2009, 09:21 AM
Mikoto's pretty awesome, and it turns out that she's a red, as we predicted.

Near the end of the episode, I started to get "Natsumi (Today in Class 5-2)" vibes from her for some reason. Sure having Asumi Kana as the seiyuu is part of it, but there has to be another factor as well.

HitokiriShadow
11-06-2009, 10:26 AM
Ahahaha, Mikoto is awesome. When she can't meet him at school, her first course of action is took breakfast for him wearing nothing but an apron. "Lockpicking is an essential skill for archaeologists!"

Akane's distress at seeing Natsuru with a new girl gives her enough strength to crush steel with her fingers.

That's a lovely Natsuru x Kaede eyecatch.

Yep, Mikoto is a red Kampfer as expected. I liked Kaede's frightened poses and then calmly thanking the ghosts and walking off when she realized Natsuru wasn't there.

And Mikoto is a katana wielder, yay. Loved her reaction to finding out the two Natsurus were the same.

Mamiko Noto Inu finally appears. Sadly, she only has two basic introduction lines in this episode.


That was a pretty good episode. Mikoto is as awesome as I thought she'd be and has quickly become my favorite character.

Suwako Moriya
11-06-2009, 10:52 AM
That's a lovely Natsuru x Kaede eyecatch.


Interesting. Someone at another forum was wondering who that other girl was. Someone suggested it could be Akane, but another person feels it can't be her. It seems you feel she's likely Kaede.

Which at first I thought made sense, but her eyes are green and the hair is not quite the same color.

Not that it means much since characters can change hair and eye color when they become Kampfer. Heck if that eye catch is any indication maybe they can gain animal ears and a tail too.

HitokiriShadow
11-06-2009, 11:00 AM
That's a lovely Natsuru x Kaede eyecatch.


Interesting. Someone at another forum was wondering who that other girl was. Someone suggested it could be Akane, but another person feels it can't be her. It seems you feel she's likely Kaede.

Which at first I thought made sense, but her eyes are green and the hair is not quite the same color.


Yeah, she looked slightly off (though I couldn't put my finger on exactly what; I was thinking it was something about her hair style that was slightly different), but she looked pretty close to Kaede and nothing like the others.

Suwako Moriya
11-06-2009, 11:06 AM
Yeah, she looked slightly off (though I couldn't put my finger on exactly what; I was thinking it was something about her hair style that was slightly different), but she looked pretty close to Kaede and nothing like the others.

I just a had thought about who she might be. Notice how the seiyuu saying "Kampfer" varies with each eye catch. In this case the seiyuu sounds like Noto Mamiko. Correct me if I'm wrong, I get mixed up sometimes.

Also, note the following. The rope, the dog ears, the tail. In other words, it's the "Choking Dog" as a human female! It sounds crazy, but it in some weird way makes sense.

Fencedude
11-06-2009, 11:27 AM
Yeah, she looked slightly off (though I couldn't put my finger on exactly what; I was thinking it was something about her hair style that was slightly different), but she looked pretty close to Kaede and nothing like the others.

I just a had thought about who she might be. Notice how the seiyuu saying "Kampfer" varies with each eye catch. In this case the seiyuu sounds like Noto Mamiko. Correct me if I'm wrong, I get mixed up sometimes.

Also, note the following. The rope, the dog ears, the tail. In other words, it's the "Choking Dog" as a human female! It sounds crazy, but it in some weird way makes sense.

*checks*

Hah, wow. You're right!

I wonder if we'll get the others as well.

Suwako Moriya
11-06-2009, 11:52 AM
Also, note the following. The rope, the dog ears, the tail. In other words, it's the "Choking Dog" as a human female! It sounds crazy, but it in some weird way makes sense.
*checks*

Hah, wow. You're right!

I wonder if we'll get the others as well.

It's possible, but we only have six eye catches remaining. Then again the last two proved multiple people can be in the eye catch. So I guess they might double up on some of them.

With some exceptions, the eye catches have mostly been Kampfers. The exception being Kaede, Assistant Committee Chairperson, and Choking Dog.

Also, we had Akane and Natsuru both in Kampfer form. While Shizuku seems to be in none-kampfer form. I wonder if we'll get none-Kampfer Akane and Kampfer Shizuku. Also, both Kampfer and none Kampfer Mikoto.

Mitsuki
11-06-2009, 05:56 PM
I totally didn't notice that about the eyecatch. That's pretty awesome. I really enjoyed this episode on the cultural festival. I like that the four of them are working together for now, seemingly until they find out more about the whole system. I'm pretty sure Kaede is a moderator and somehow doesn't realize it.

William K
11-07-2009, 03:30 AM
Funny misunderstandings as usual. Mikoto definitely is fun, but I think my favourite is still Shizuku. She's a manipulative bitch, but I loved the way she 'interrogated' Kaede.

Still have a feeling that Kaede is not as innocent and naive as she looks.

Suwako Moriya
11-12-2009, 11:03 AM
Heh, it looks like Natsuru might have actually transformed from guy to girl without help. It's time to visit Kaede. And it figures that both Akane and Shizuku would be waiting for him. Heh, they're taking their dolls with them.

Wow. Kaede has quite the collection of dolls. Speaking of dolls, there's no point to them drinking anything.

Kaede wants to share pocky with Natsuru. However Akane won't allow that. Ah, so that's why Akane and Shizuku are doing that. It's the result of a lottery. I like Shizuku's boldness.

And now it's time for Natsuru and Akane to share pocky. However the pocky breaks in the end. Poor Akane, she got more out of Shizuku than she did out of Natsuru.

Let's show off some more of the mascots. Oh, and I need to ask "Mikoto, where are you?"

And she appears just seconds after I type that. Oh, and she brought food with her.

Ah, it's a Mikoto eye catch finally.

Natsuru needs to clean up since she had stuff spilled on her.

How many times is Kaede going to walk into the room?

It's time for Natsuru to shower and it figures Kaede would have plans to walk in on it. Well, at least there's Akane to interrupt her. And suddenly we get a Mikoto.

Those are some interesting pajamas.

I'd be nervous sleeping in a room with all of those dolls.

He just had to transform back at the worst time and is having trouble changing back.

There's nothing like angry Kampfer Akane coming in at the right time to allow him to become her again.

Wow, it's the pink haired ribbon girl from episode 5 and she has a scythe(?) with a chain. Also her braclet is actually white. So there's a third group?

She ends up running off once Shizuku appears. Meaning Shizuku is just that awesome or she didn't want to face three at once.

Shizuku looks nice in just a shirt. She's got quite the chest.

It looks like in the next episode Natsuru will be spending time with Shizuku.

something
11-14-2009, 01:24 AM
Episode 5:

- More Buy the DVDs silliness.
- The Gotou Yuuko character is great.
- Wow, that was the most drunken "Kampfer" ever. Oh Gotou.
- The "skit" is silly. The best part is clearly the MC Masumi.

And finally Mikoto.

something
11-14-2009, 01:54 AM
Episode 6:

- Mikoto is automatically the best character in the show. Naked apron Asumi Kana? Victory.
- lol, Akane pulls a Shana-tan Kazumi behind the pole.
- You know, it just figures, the only straight girls in the entire Girls' side happen to be the leads.
- Eyecatch~
- Red team for Mikoto.
- Hah, Mikoto's reaction when she finds out about Natsuru is great.
- Noto Mamikooooooo
- ...Kaede doesn't fuck around. Right to the point.

I'm not really interested in the story or anything so this show needs more fanservice. Especially of Mikoto.

Suwako Moriya
11-14-2009, 02:16 AM
Mikoto is automatically the best character in the show. Naked apron Asumi Kana? Victory.

It's nice that it took essentially six (or would that be five?) episodes for Akane to get a true challenger. Also, this Asumi Kana role will tide me over until January.

I'm not really interested in the story or anything so this show needs more fanservice. Especially of Mikoto.

I didn't realize there was a story. I was too distracted by Mikoto in apron and the fact she looks quite nice in Kampfer form to notice.

something
11-14-2009, 02:17 AM
I didn't realize there was a story. I was too distracted by Mikoto in apron and the fact she looks quite nice in Kampfer form to notice.
Well, there's something like one. Or they're pretending anyway. I want no-steam onsen to make up for it.

Suwako Moriya
11-14-2009, 02:23 AM
I didn't realize there was a story. I was too distracted by Mikoto in apron and the fact she looks quite nice in Kampfer form to notice.Well, there's something like one. Or they're pretending anyway. I want no-steam onsen to make up for it.

Yes, a no-steam onsen would clearly be a good thing to have. Even more if we get Natsuru's entire class involved. Before anyone tries to be funny, I mean the female class obviously.

HitokiriShadow
11-15-2009, 11:44 PM
Nice twist at the end. More Kampfers were expected, but adding a new color to the mix is a nice little twist to spice things up a bit. And I like this new Kampfer, so hopefully she doesn't get tossed aside too quickly.

Kaede had a great idea, but then we get cheated out of actually seeing Shizuku violate Akane's mouth. :(
I loved how aggressive Akane was in getting her turn with Natsuru, and Kaede's annoyance with it. Poor Akane doesn't get the prize though thanks to Natsuru's failure at life.

LOL Akane: "I don't know what happened, but its definitely Naturu's fault!" And Mikoto is just nuts, I love her. She needs a lot more screentime than she got here.

It was a pretty good episode overall. Yay for Mamiko Noto opening narration, some interesting bits with Shizuku at the end, a new Kampfer and just general craziness. Boo for not nearly enough Mikoto.

Fencedude
11-16-2009, 12:10 AM
lol Rika's Ueda Kana. Its a Nanoha reunion tour.

Good episode overall though.

Isuzu Inugami
11-16-2009, 04:22 PM
Episode 5:

- The Gotou Yuuko character is great.

I love her! She's wasted as a support character! She needs her own lesbian-stalker spinoff show.


- Wow, that was the most drunken "Kampfer" ever. Oh Gotou.

My favorite eyecatch so far. I wonder if I can get that as a ringtone.

Isuzu Inugami
11-16-2009, 04:33 PM
Kaede had a great idea, but then we get cheated out of actually seeing Shizuku violate Akane's mouth. :(

I wonder how much more we'll get with the DVD release?

Anyway, poor Kaede... every single plan of hers goes awry. Even when Shizuku gives her a little assistance and initiates the shower business.


some interesting bits with Shizuku at the end

I don't seriously expect this resolution*, but I'm starting to ship Shizuku/Natsuru even though Shizuku shows some distressingly straight tendencies. Then again she has no problems kissing a girl, so it's not like she's a lost cause.

*I don't seriously expect any resolution.

Suwako Moriya
11-19-2009, 11:07 AM
As expected a mostly Shizuku-focused episode. Although we did get some Mikoto and Akane. Oh, and I think the eye catch is based on the bunny.

Fencedude
11-22-2009, 03:32 AM
WTF there was no Girl Natsuru this episode. Thats emphatically not allowed.

Pretty funny episode though.

William K
11-22-2009, 10:03 AM
This episode told me 2 things :-

1. Natsuru is an idiot
2. The reason I like Shizuku is that she is basically a Lite version of Hitagi, without the great dialogue of course

LOL at the Jigoku Shoujou joke. And we get an Akane transformation scene.

From the preview, looks like more members of the White team

Suwako Moriya
11-22-2009, 10:18 AM
From the preview, looks like more members of the White team

Which means we'll hopefully find out the names of the girls from episode 5 aside from Rika which is already revealed. I wonder if Rika will appear with them.

Shiroi Hane
11-22-2009, 02:45 PM
In Natsuru's position I wouldn't believe she didn't have ulterior motives either.

Fudce
11-22-2009, 05:43 PM
Hearing Mamiko Noto asking if you really want to die is just too strange, but strangely nice. A soothing death could be in Natsuru's future...

But the episode, Natsuru is officially a lucky but dimwitted idiot. Not only does he have three of the hottest girls in the series lusting after him, but he himself is another of the hot girls in the series and can have lots of fun interchanging between transformations with each of them should he choose.

...of course should he decide to go with all three, Akane and Mikoto would not only kill him but I fear that they would mutilate the corpse. (and Akane would still possibly take it home with her)

Isuzu Inugami
11-23-2009, 11:08 AM
Hearing Mamiko Noto asking if you really want to die is just too strange, but strangely nice. A soothing death could be in Natsuru's future...

It's her character's signature line in Hell Girl. I don't guarantee those are soothing deaths, but it's some consolation to hear Teh Mamiko ask.... :devil:


But the episode, Natsuru is officially a lucky but dimwitted idiot. Not only does he have three of the hottest girls in the series lusting after him, but he himself is another of the hot girls in the series and can have lots of fun interchanging between transformations with each of them should he choose.

I got a kick out of Shizuku saying her feelings wouldn't be any different if he were in girl form. But oh man, how dense he was! Natsuru no bakaaa!

Fudce
11-23-2009, 11:10 AM
Hearing Mamiko Noto asking if you really want to die is just too strange, but strangely nice. A soothing death could be in Natsuru's future...

It's her character's signature line in Hell Girl. I don't guarantee those are soothing deaths, but it's some consolation to hear Teh Mamiko ask.... :devil:
That would explain why it sounds strange. I've not seen Hell Girl. :P

HitokiriShadow
11-23-2009, 03:13 PM
Lot's of Shizuku this episode. Their date was pretty amusing, though I feel kind of sorry for Shizuku.

Then a psychotically angry Mikoto appears, yay! I prefer happy Mikoto, but angry Mikoto is pretty amusing too. And get to hear what has apparently become Mamiko Noto's signature line.

Mikoto is still firmly my favorite character, but Shizuku gained some points and is making a good case for being #2.

Also, Akane had a pretty awesome transformation scene.

HitokiriShadow
11-23-2009, 03:15 PM
LOL at the Jigoku Shoujou joke. And we get an Akane transformation scene.


It seems like any show that has Mamiko Noto and does seiyuu jokes/references is required by law to include this line. Not that I'm complaining or anything, its always amusing to hear. I think the Index-tan special used it the best though; that will be hard to top.

something
11-26-2009, 08:45 PM
Episode 7:

- Shizuku and Akane tag along. >_>
- Ahaha, the animals drinking... :sd:
- Yes, Kaede has the best idea. Four girls playing the pocky game! And Shizuku introduces Akane to a whole new world.
- God damn Kaede has twisted taste in interior decorating.
- Mikoto is dowsing for Natsuru! And Noto Mamiko dog!!
- Eyecatch! Miku-to! <3 And hah, Shizuku gets no arguments from Kaede about the shower.
- Stupid censorship.
- Give up and take the bath as your real (female, of course) gender, Natsuru! Kaede WILL see your tits even if it kills her, so just deal with it!
- Very disappointing that none of the girls ended up in the bath with her.
- Kaede goes for the kill! But the timing could be better.
- Ueda Rika! Ueda Kana! I forgot there was a third team. Assuming we've even been told that. But uh, when and how did Kaede ose consciousness? They completely skip over that. The only action going on was Akane shooting her guns off and if Kaede got *shot* I think they'd make a bigger deal of it. So it was... just sudden fainting?

Next ep looks like it'll be fail for having too much of that false male Natsuru.

something
11-26-2009, 08:49 PM
I don't seriously expect this resolution*, but I'm starting to ship Shizuku/Natsuru even though Shizuku shows some distressingly straight tendencies. Then again she has no problems kissing a girl, so it's not like she's a lost cause.
I think Kaede, Akane and Shizuku would all accept female Natsuru if it came to it. Kaede is gloriously gay, Akane is horny as hell and will take whatever she's given, and Shizuku is pretty blase about gender and as you noted, has no problem making out with girls. Mikoto is the only one we don't know about (though she wants to grope her boobs at least) but she gets painfully little screentime as it is.

There are so many ways this could end well, none of which will ever in a million years happen of course.

Suwako Moriya
11-26-2009, 09:10 PM
Poor Akane, her plan to spend quality time alone fails in a matter of seconds thanks to Shizuku, Mikoto, and Kaede.

Kaede's expression when the White Kampfer trio walks by her is quite telling.

The girls are quite competitive.

Natsuru is ambushed by the White Kampfer trio.

Natsuru is rescued by Akane and Shizuku.

Is Mikoto ever going to fight again?

Shizuku is quite bold in front of the others.

We got the final confirmation of the expected. That Kaede is definitely an active manipulator in things and likely knows both Natsuru are the same.

Actually, it would be kind of funny if part of the reason she made Natsuru a Kampfer was along the lines of "I'd like him better if he were a girl. Oh, that gives me an idea".

Looks like episode 10 will be eventful with Natsuru in Kaede's control. How long term that control will be is another story. It could be broken before the end of the episode. She could turn it off and on like a switch. Only time will tell.

While it's clear Kaede is the evil, I'm still not clear on one thing. Ie has Kaede been faking it or does she have like a split personality?

Also, I wonder if we'll see Rika fighting with the trio soon.

ilmaestro
11-28-2009, 10:15 PM
Wait there, how did this show sneak up on me and actually be ridiculously entertaining? XD I'm actually disappointed it's only 12 eps, hope it gets a second season somewhere down the line. I'm not, however, enjoying it enough to get the Japanese Blu-rays ahead of some more worthy shows... right? Right?!

Anywho, Shizuku is much my favorite character, and the hottest of the bunch, as much as I'm sure it pains some of you that the show includes some girls with a preference for male Natsuru. ^^;

It is a real shame they have been limited for episodes, though, the way it's going I would genuinely have liked more time for some plot. Kaede finally switching is ace, but ultimately a bit sudden. I think the big Mai-HiME vibe the show gives off is probably making me biased.

As for this episode... :nosebleed::nosebleed::nosebleed::nosebleed:

Shiroi Hane
11-29-2009, 06:57 AM
My sex sense isn't tingling at all.
What is Akane doing with the show's settei sheets ^^;
Bunny has a death wish, she's lucky Akane isn't transformed.
I recognise those faces in the background...
He said that without even moving his lips
They suddenly got very long
Sakura has ulterior motives..
More familiar faces, but darned if I can remember where from
Ooh, Sakura reveals her face of evil
Ouch, pride has a large spear in his back
Pres is plotting something again
Doesn't that make four whites? It's like they're forcing blue and red to make purple. First time we've had another zauber too.
Dark haired one is a little wierd
Oh noes, you shot it off! Oh, wait.
Akane's mind is going other places again.
Sakura is over the moon
And Akane's out of there
Oh, this doesn't look good.
OK, next ep preview is full of Mamiko Noto win.

William K
11-29-2009, 08:07 AM
Strange, all the white Kampfers are voiced by seiyuu with the same family name.

Ueda Rika - Ueda Kana
Minagawa Hitomi - Minagawa Junko
Yamakawa Ryouka - Yamakawa Kotomi
Nakao Sayaka - Nakao Eri

This is based on a manga right? So either it's weird casting or they are not in the manga

HitokiriShadow
11-29-2009, 09:04 AM
Mikoto is such a nut and I lover her for it. "Please ignore the crazy lady!" I loved her dancing behind Natsuru as Akane and Chizuru showed how close they were to him. Oh, and shoving Akane off the high dive too. Lot's of nice Mikoto bits this episode.

No Rika this time, but we meet three other White Kampfers and they are pretty amusing as well. I think I like the green haired one the most, but Uzi girl was the most amusing. "I.. If... If I shoot you, bloody bits will go flying everywhere...."

And now we get a evil looking and very NOT oblivious Kaede. She knows exactly what's going on and is very much consciously involved in things. I really like this development. And ouch, she completely destroys Natsuru's heart as she reveals to her that she doesn't even like him that much as a friend (or at least that's what she claims; given whats revealed this episode, its quite possible she was lying about that).

HitokiriShadow
11-29-2009, 09:05 AM
Strange, all the white Kampfers are voiced by seiyuu with the same family name.

Ueda Rika - Ueda Kana
Minagawa Hitomi - Minagawa Junko
Yamakawa Ryouka - Yamakawa Kotomi
Nakao Sayaka - Nakao Eri

This is based on a manga right? So either it's weird casting or they are not in the manga

Or maybe they didn't have last names in the manga or changed them.

mentar
11-29-2009, 03:51 PM
Wait there, how did this show sneak up on me and actually be ridiculously entertaining? XD I'm actually disappointed it's only 12 eps, hope it gets a second season somewhere down the line. I'm not, however, enjoying it enough to get the Japanese Blu-rays ahead of some more worthy shows... right? Right?!

Well, according to Syoboi, a very reliable japanese website which is listing and tracking anime airing dates, we'll have at least 13 episodes (it's listed up to 13 so far). Also, episode 13 does _not_ have the "final episode" marker yet.

Most likely they will extend one of the blurays to fit 13 eps on 6 volumes. And there's still this 1% longshot chance that maybe Kämpfer _is_ 2 seasons after all.

Knowing quite a bit about the novels, however, it seems to me that they are now hurrying the content, and we have almost caught up with the latest novel. Also, the author announced that there would be only 2 more books to finish the story... and so, a conclusion in 13 eps seems most likely.

ilmaestro
11-29-2009, 10:19 PM
Oh well, on one hand that's slightly disappointing, but on the other hand if there isn't that much more story in the novels (or have they actually left out much in the anime? I don't want to know anything about what they've left out, of course) it at least saves me the decision of whether to bother with them or not. I was just going from the DVD listings for the episode count, so hopefully there will be 13, guess we'll have it confirmed soon enough though.

mentar
11-30-2009, 01:27 AM
ALOT of stuff was omitted from the novels again and again of course, to reach this. In fact, they were proceeding with the mere basics for quite a while, which caused the anime to feel a bit more shallow than the story actually was. For example, Kaede falling for and confessing to Natsuru in one anime episode made her feel impulsive and immature. In the novels, it was a much more gradual development.

I'd love to read the novels (which I've been told are very good), but my japanese isn't good enough to really tackle them. Enjoying the animations and going through what seem the most important parts with dictionary help is the maximum. But should they ever be released in English, I'd have all of them on preorder.

mentar
12-03-2009, 06:15 AM
I sadly need to correct myself :(

Syoboi has updated itself, and while there's still episodes 13 listed, it now has the "final episode" marker after episode 12 on TBS. Therefore, I consider it very likely that we'll indeed have 12 eps only, which also coincides with the DVD/Bluray releases

Suwako Moriya
12-03-2009, 10:56 AM
Kaede is taking Natsuru with to do whatever.

Akane experiences the classic dream about X (Natsuru in this case) and end up realizing it's Y (Shizuku in this case) scene.

Akane vs Mikoto? Or maybe not.

Kaede has dedicated herself to looking evil.

As much I love Mikoto and Akane, it's clear there is a need for someone like Shizuku.

Kaede being evil scene interrupted by an angry Mikoto. Which brings out female Natsuru.

Next comes an angry Akane. Followed by Shizuku. Natsuru is surrounded

I wonder who's more dangerous. The three of them or Kaede...

Wow, that's a lot of steam in this bath scene.

Kaede wants Natsuru to make a move on Shizuku?

A kiss from Shizuku breaks the control (at least temporarily) it seems.

The tone of this episode is completely different from previous episodes.

Ah, a quick scene with the White Kampfer all together looking sexy. I love you Rika. What?

This episode has convinced me that if anyone deserves to beat up Kaede, it's Shizuku.

mentar
12-03-2009, 04:29 PM
Fairly detailed summary this time. Avoid if you don't want to get spoiled. My JP is poor, so there
might be some TL glitches, but I'm relatively sure I got it 90% right where it counts.

o Akane is woken by Shizuku's voice, but in her daze she believes her to be Natsuru,
and leans in for a kiss. Barely in time she realizes it's Shizuku and first freaks,
then reconsiders when she realizes that it would be an indirect kiss with Natsuru
to follow through. So she requests one after all ^_^ (which turns out to be with her
seppuku kurousagi though)

o Shizuku and Mikoto tell her that Natsuru and Sakura are missing and that they want
to go look for them.

o Natsuru and Kaede are sitting outside watching the fireworks. Natsuru is "aware"
again, but confused, since he can't remember why the two of them are alone. Dark
Kaede moves in on him, and Natsuru feels that something is off: No matter how much
he pretends not to be frightened, he flinches when she touches his face. And to
Natsuru's surprise, Dark Kaede asks him what he's thinking of Shizuku.

o Akane, Mikoto and Shizuku meet again on the festival, but they haven't found them
yet. Some girl bonding over how hard everyone of them has it with Natsuru, and how
much better the others have it, and how far they got... then they split up to
search some more.

o Natsuru answers that Shizuku is gorgeous, cool and perfect... but also scary and
a bully. Without putting him under, Kaede insists that Natsuru's heart knows that
he likes her, but Natsuru still resists. Dark Kaede forges on that he should
PLEASE grow to love her and to make Shizuku his own. He still resists and says that
it's impossible for him, but she insists, leaning in in full seductress mode, licking
his ear and says that once he manages to sleep with Shizuku, she will _reward_ him.
And she finally puts his conscience under, with him accepting her words, and she
leans in to kiss him, but just prior to the deed she pushes him away and rushes off,
because transformed Mikoto jumps at him.

o First Mikoto, then Akane and then Shizuku (all in Kämpfer mode) arrive and demand to
know what he was doing. Natsuru has transformed to Kämpfer too and is completely
clueless what happened and how she got there. Also, where is Kaede? The girls drag
Natsuru back to the hotel.

o In the hotel they're running into Kaede coming out of her room who apologizes for not
having gone with them to see the fireworks. All of them had reverted to normal, and
Natsuru replies that she HAD seen the fireworks with him, to which Kaede (normal mode)
wonders what he's talking about. Shizuku is eyeing Kaede full of suspicion, but remains
silent, and Kaede suggests to go to the bath together.

o Back in their room with Natsuru, Akane complains that he has gone out alone with Kaede,
and Kaichou has kissed him, and... she wants a kiss too. So she puckers up and raises
her face, but till the end, Natsuru can't bring himself to follow through. So she
hides under her blanket to cry, and Shizuku calls on the phone to order him to the
bath, pronto. In girl form. Upon hearing that, with revived vigor, Akane decides to go too.

o Fanservice scene when (normal) Kaede glomps female Natsuru in the bath for skinship, and
then to feel her breasts. Mikoto and Akane are awed, and then join in.

o Finally free of them, female Natsuru catches a breather in the bath, when Shizuku joins
and asks about what they had done when he was alone with Kaede. With slurring speech,
female Natsuru begins to answer, but her eyes glaze over. Shizuku notices this, but halts
and sees Kaede joining them. Soon thereafter, Shizuku leaves, and with Dark Kaede resurfacing,
she tells Natsuru with her eivil trademark smirk "You know what you have to do... right?"

o Cut to Shizuku's room, where she's drying her hair clad in a Kimono. She voices pleasant
surprise that he has come to her, and Natsuru (male) replies that he wanted to talk to her
some more. Shizuku takes the opportunity to get ready for some more seduction, but he
actually grabs her and pushes her down on her bed (with his eyes still glazed over)

o Eyes wide open in shock, Shizuku asks what this was all about, and what his reason was for
doing this, to which he answers "Shut up! You're going to become mine!" ... Shizuku blushes
on that and switches to seductress mode, essentially telling him that she was fine with
that, but he should rather hurry up, since the others could return any minute. And after some
more exchanges about "first times", Shizuku puts his arms around him and kisses him. And
caused by the kiss, Natsuru "comes to" again.

o Still in Shizuku's embrace, he doesn't recoil, but continues with a frightened, sweating look
on his face. Shizuku continues with the seduction, moving Natsuru's hand on her breast, then
even on the breast under her Kimono. This was Natsuru's first time touching a breast, too?
Good. Every first of Natsuru would be hers. EVERY first. Seeing Shizuku writhe in pleasure,
Natsuru shrieks up again with a panicked face, and Shizuku begins to notice that something is
wrong. It's as if Natsuru was fighting with himself.

o Shizuku's asking him why he really came here.
Well, he was sent...
by who? (serious)
S... Sss... (struggling as if against something)
By Kaede? (warmth gone from the voice)
(With great effort, Natsuru nods, seemingly in pain and bathed in sweat)
(Shizuku's smile is gone) That's just too bad...
(She's kneeing him in the solarplexus and karate-chops the back of his head, knocking him out)

o Shizuku is getting up and fixing her kimono again. Natsuru is out cold.
"I still have some pride left. And I don't want to have sex with someone who has been ordered
to do so."
(Slight smile returns to her face)
"Next time, come by your own will".
(She leans in to kiss on his cheek)
"I wonder if I have wanted to do it anyway?"

o Dark Kaede is sitting in a hotel room with the 4 white Kämpfer lounging on a bed, more naked
than clothed. "Men are really useless". She's rallying her forces, who are more than happy to
oblige Kaede-sama... for a reward, please?

o Next morning, Mikoto is genki and looking forward to play, Akane glances at male Natsuru worriedly,
who is obviously still a bit groggy (and clueless about what happened). Shizuku and normal Kaede
arrive, and Shizuku asks if he's okay. Upon hearing that he is, she's saying "I'm glad" in a relieved
voice and smiling at him, to which he shrieks up, as if he remembered something. Mikoto and Akane
rush off, Natsuru after them, and Shizuku and Kaede turn to follow aswell.

o Then, from behind, Kaede grabs Shizuku's shoulder, and in a menacing way Dark Kaede says "It would
have been better if you threw away your meaningless pride and just gave in!"
Shocked, Shizuku whirls around and brushes off Kaede's hand... who returns to "normal" and asks
what's up. Seemingly unsure, Shizuku apologizes and replies that it was nothing... and Kaede
moves on. Shizuku remains behind with a stern face. "So... as I thought... Kaede. It was you."

o Preview: Title is supposed to mean "Choice". Multiple fight scenes and Natsuru with glazed-over eyes.


It's a shame that the show is going to end in 2 eps when it just got sooo good.

vince1234
12-04-2009, 11:16 PM
Natsura should just fuck Shizuku already....

Shiroi Hane
12-04-2009, 11:20 PM
Scary Kaede is scary. There must be a rule about this somewhere.

The yuri-goggle people will approve of Akane's maths, but nobody expects the osana najimi interrupt.

Times two. Dissent is seeded.

Is that eyecatch a gijinka of Shizuki's lynx?

Continuity error - seppuku rabbit was in the bin but is back on the line drying.

I think that if there's anything other than an open or harem ending, Natsuru will die. Twice.

Oh look, another magic mirror.

None of the people who openly know that he's a guy seem worried about being seen naked, and this is one for the DVDs, clearly. Hopefully without floating nipples.

"you know what to do" - uh oh.

Wait - he's been programmed to raep Shizuki? Well, like I said - if he ends up with any one of them, two of the others will try to kill them and red will be set against blue again. But she's smarter than that. Not that she didn't enjoy playing along anyway.

Is it me or does this show not have a single loli chara (I mean, if not a Primula you think they could fit in a Mayumi; even Sekirei had Kusano) but even the little pink-haired white Kampfer is stacked.

Well, Mikoto is a loli in the head. And they're being ambigous as to whether Kaede is an evil bitch through-and-through or just bipolar.

Fencedude
12-05-2009, 02:55 AM
AHAHAHAHAHAHA They are all completely insane! And its wonderful!

Also, KAEDE CONFIRMED FOR FINAL BOSS

Fencedude
12-05-2009, 03:24 AM
Hmm...well, if Kaede's side wins, we get to see her giving Gohobi to her harem.

I'M ROOTING FOR THE WHITE KAMPFERS NOW

(also Nakajima Megumi does evil quite well)

Mitsuki
12-05-2009, 11:46 AM
Agreed. The White Kampfers are awesome. I hope the show can keep this level of enjoyability for the next two episodes. I'm surprised at how much I'm liking it.

ilmaestro
12-08-2009, 02:13 PM
Damn, this episode was hot. And a bit confusing. I can't decide exactly what we're supposed to think is up with Kaede - whether she's "just" really evil and coniving, or if she is being controlled by someone/has extremely split personalities.

Is that eyecatch a gijinka of Shizuku's lynx?
Yup, and an awesome one at that.

Suwako Moriya
12-10-2009, 11:06 AM
Natsuru and Shizuku have a conversation with that burn't Lion.

Kaede's eyes glow and change colors. With them she transforms Natsuru into female form, takes control of her, and kisses her. I guess she can get what she wants.

It's Mikoto and Akane! And now there's Shizuku.

All three are being showing transforming as they're being attacked.

The White Kampfer are introducing themselves and/or making statements.

It's four against three and the three knock down the four.

Natsuru appears just before the commercial break.

Ah, this time it's the Tiger and someone else.

Natsuru attacks Akane, Shizuku and Mikoto.

Kaede appears with a sword to attack.

Yep, Kaede is an evil ******. A strong one at that.

The trio are tied up.

Kaede wants Natsuru to burn them.

However seeing the present she/he gave to Shizuku, Natsuru has flashbacks and snaps out of it.

Now they're glowing and they're wearing less? I count this as a power up.

The mascots have become giant and they're singing a song that's clearly making fun of battle insert songs or sounds like it.

Shizuku, Akane, and Mikoto have decided to be awesome.

Kaede makes another attempt on Natsuru and she decides to transform back into a guy. Kaede shows her disapproval.

With the situation over with, the real battle has begun with the prize being Natsuru.

The preview seems to indicate the final episode will be a fun one. Ah, animal ears.

HitokiriShadow
12-10-2009, 01:08 PM
I looove evil Kaede. Or perhaps more accurately, the real Kaede as its now fairly convincing evidence that its the real her and the seemingly innocent one is nothing more than a facade. The way she switches back and forth makes it seem unlikely that its a truly alternate personality (and I'll be disappointed if thats what it turns out to be). I also love how the White Kampfers are her own personal harem/sex toys.

Oh, and Natsuru's near death experiences are amusing as always.

ilmaestro
12-10-2009, 06:18 PM
looooool this show went back to being ultracrazywtf.

OTT use of transformation sequences?

Light show versions of the entrail animals singing a zany insert song to an electric rendition of Ode To Joy?

Races from a different universe having school girls fight for them to decide an eternal war?

Sure! It all works!

And the final ep is just going to be some fluffy entertainment Christmas episode?

Awesome!

Honestly, this show has been far too entertaining for its own good.

Suwako Moriya
12-10-2009, 06:35 PM
Sure! It all works!

Especially if the goal of this episode was to make fun of "rushed" final episodes from other series. Which seemed to be the case. It's clear that at least the anime version of Kampfer is 95% focused on comedy. The 5% of actual plot is just there to help set up situations.

ilmaestro
12-10-2009, 07:17 PM
Yep, pretty much agree with all of that.

Mitsuki
12-11-2009, 04:16 PM
Especially if the goal of this episode was to make fun of "rushed" final episodes from other series. Which seemed to be the case. It's clear that at least the anime version of Kampfer is 95% focused on comedy. The 5% of actual plot is just there to help set up situations.

This.

I'm loving it. I hope there will be a second season.

Isuzu Inugami
12-11-2009, 04:56 PM
My pairing up Natsuru and Shizuku is suddenly looking a lot less fanciful....

[edit--Oh shit, "ShizNat!"]

Nice to see everyone transform (twice in one episode, even--although the first time was a bit of a letdown. ;P )

Especially if the goal of this episode was to make fun of "rushed" final episodes from other series. Which seemed to be the case.

I think they're mocking them by how incredibly smoothly they managed to pull it off!

And they've totally left the door wide open for another season.

Shiroi Hane
12-11-2009, 05:18 PM
Well, that got wierd.
Best line - "we do this all the time" - Shizuki.
Something I've been meaning to bring up for some time - the two girls 'docking' in the OP, it has to be Natsuru and Shizuku as they're the only two the right height and proportion.

Fencedude
12-12-2009, 01:19 AM
Natsuru, you're an IDIOT.

Also way to avoid having any sort of meaningful conclusion at all.

Nork22
12-12-2009, 03:32 AM
Having watched this episode, I LOL hard at the awesome Ode to Joy battle music.

But really Natsuru... don't try to be Sugisaki Ken, there's no way you can get a harem ending. Just go with Shizuku.

Speaking of which... Nekomimi Shizuku next episode.... Mmmmm....

Suwako Moriya
12-12-2009, 03:39 AM
Especially if the goal of this episode was to make fun of "rushed" final episodes from other series. Which seemed to be the case. I think they're mocking them by how incredibly smoothly they managed to pull it off!

Heck, the more I think about it, the more convinced I am that it's a direct stab at the whole idea.

You have the random quick explanation for why things are happening.

You have the ten second battle.

You have the musical power up.

You have the "By the way I'm evil" stuff, although that was started earlier.

You have the temporary tough scenario.

You have the insert song.

You have the end shortly after the battle.

Actually the most interesting part is this. If this has been several other series, Natsuru would have defeated all the White Kampfer and Kaede by herself. Instead the trio ends up doing it. Clearly a stab at the idea that only the lead is capable.

Fencedude
12-12-2009, 04:07 AM
A friend elsewhere has put forth that this was the most awesomely stupid episode of anime in a long time.

I'm hard pressed to disagree.

ilmaestro
12-12-2009, 10:15 AM
I think that's pretty much the conclusion most of us have come to. ^_^

Suwako Moriya
12-12-2009, 04:09 PM
A friend elsewhere has put forth that this was the most awesomely stupid episode of anime in a long time.

That's a pretty fitting description. In any case, it seems that for those hoping for the anime to be a serious adaptation with a stronger focus on story, episode 11 was a letdown. At least that's the impression I'm getting...

Westlo
12-12-2009, 04:36 PM
I think you guys are giving them too much credit in saying this was a send up of crappy anime original endings lol.

A friend elsewhere has put forth that this was the most awesomely stupid episode of anime in a long time.

That's a pretty fitting description. In any case, it seems that for those hoping for the anime to be a serious adaptation with a stronger focus on story, episode 11 was a letdown. At least that's the impression I'm getting...

Hahaha that's one way to put it, from the few short posts I've read the novel readers are furious lolz. Best post on one blog was "Don't worry the novels are crap too" lol.

Suwako Moriya
12-12-2009, 04:41 PM
I think you guys are giving them too much credit in saying this was a send up of crappy anime original endings lol.

Perhaps. However I am still convinced that we're not supposed to be taking any of this seriously. At least I hope we're not supposed to take it seriously. Because if we are then I'd have to question things.

ilmaestro
12-12-2009, 05:30 PM
I think you guys are giving them too much credit in saying this was a send up of crappy anime original endings lol.
You think the electro Ode To Joy was supposed to be genuinely epic? :D

Westlo
12-12-2009, 06:18 PM
I think you guys are giving them too much credit in saying this was a send up of crappy anime original endings lol.
You think the electro Ode To Joy was supposed to be genuinely epic? :D

Are you implying it wasn't truly epic :o

Fencedude
12-12-2009, 06:18 PM
I think you guys are giving them too much credit in saying this was a send up of crappy anime original endings lol.

Sometimes total incompetence can curl all the way around and become brilliant self parody.

Suwako Moriya
12-12-2009, 06:23 PM
You think the electro Ode To Joy was supposed to be genuinely epic? :D

Whatever is supposed to be, I think I've watched that scene several times in part because of the tune. It's both wrong and right. Other reasons could include the following. Clothes being torn up. The fanservice of the trio. Also, I like seeing Kaede get punished. Seriously, the girl had two modes. Completely shallow and evil *****.

Suwako Moriya
12-12-2009, 06:41 PM
I've been thinking about something in regards to Kaede's hatred of men and thus for a minute here.

Now, it's quite clear she has mind control powers. She also seems to have 100% control of the White Kampfer. To the point where it goes beyond the point of simply being controlled. Obeying and doing what Kaede desires is part of their personality now.

It's quite clear that Kaede could potentially have almost any girl she wants. Yet to get the girl she desires, she goes after some guy and turns her into a girl. Actually that's another thing I wonder about.

Was Kaede able to predict what Natsuru would be like as a girl? Or was it more of an accidental thing and once Kaede found out, she decided she liked the result of it.

As for Kaede's mind control powers, I guess there has to be a limit to it. After all, Natsuru did break free of it. Also, she didn't make any attempts to take control of the other three. Although one could argue that's because she'd rather have them dead than as allies.

I guess there's also the willpower factor. Maybe the four White Kampfer were already into the idea of yuri and at the same time already had an attraction to Kaede. Making it much easier to control them.

ilmaestro
12-12-2009, 07:07 PM
I think you guys are giving them too much credit in saying this was a send up of crappy anime original endings lol.
You think the electro Ode To Joy was supposed to be genuinely epic? :D

Are you implying it wasn't truly epic :o
rofl, I will concede that point. XD

TheGreenMan
12-12-2009, 07:53 PM
I find series very amusing. Guy wants girl. Girl is a lesbian and wants to seriously bang his girl side. Guy thinks he can make her love his man side. Guy misses opportunity to have lesbian sex with girl he loves, with the other girls joining in. Guy is stupid.

Suwako Moriya
12-12-2009, 10:28 PM
I find series very amusing. Guy wants girl. Girl is a lesbian and wants to seriously bang his girl side. Guy thinks he can make her love his man side. Guy misses opportunity to have lesbian sex with girl he loves, with the other girls joining in. Guy is stupid.

The guy is stupid, but not exactly for the reason you mention. Let's face it, he has one of two basic choices.

A: Stay as a girl and be able to screw Kaede. Possibly the White Kampfer as well.

B: Choose one or if possible all three of the other members of team purple.

The problem is that he won't give up on Kaede completely. He doesn't want to abandon team purple since he's grown fond of them. He's also still attached to his male side.

Personally if I were him, I'd go with team purple. Mainly because while those three may prefer Natsuru as a guy, they seem to be willing to have fun with the female side. Thus covering his bases in case he ever gets stuck in either form.

Of course if you want to go all the way you could have it so Kaede takes control of all of team purple including Natsuru, making all of them part of her harem. Or heck maybe have her take over the whole school.

I should not the main thing that makes the Kaede side tempting is Rika. However Team Purple has Akane and Mikoto.

Fencedude
12-12-2009, 10:33 PM
AHAHAHAH

Team Purple! Why didn't I think of that.

Suwako Moriya
12-12-2009, 10:42 PM
AHAHAHAH

Team Purple! Why didn't I think of that.

Good question, I figured you would have thought of it first. Although I should be honest and say that I'm not the only to think of the "Team Purple" thing. Which is probably a given, but....

HitokiriShadow
12-13-2009, 11:58 PM
Wow, that was nuts. It was pretty fun, though I was a tad annoyed that they made choosing yuri/female Natsuru synonymous with choosing evil and thus a male Natsuru ending. At least he also got the harem ending.

That's apparently the ending of the main story and it was a rather inconclusive ending. Not that it really matters in this case, and it conclusively showed that evil Sakura is the real one, none of this alternate personality bullshit, so I liked that.

HitokiriShadow
12-14-2009, 12:03 AM
The guy is stupid, but not exactly for the reason you mention. Let's face it, he has one of two basic choices.

A: Stay as a girl and be able to screw Kaede. Possibly the White Kampfer as well.

B: Choose one or if possible all three of the other members of team purple.


And C: All of the above

Most, if not all (Mikoto is iffy), of team purple would be willing to screw girl Natsuru too. He could have had all of them as a girl. By choosing to remain a male, he simply eliminated five of the options entirely and gets the lesser (hetero) version of the remaining three he could have had as a girl too.

Fencedude
12-14-2009, 12:10 AM
I sorta feel like the choice he made wasn't very hard.

He chose to stay the same gender (oh noes, so hard) and chose to not have the girl he's in love with...who even if she wasn't evil, he couldn't be with her anyway because she's gay and is seriously not into guys at all.

So why the fuck should I applaud him for this?

Though technically he still turns into a girl to fight. So he's not "staying" as a guy, he's just not staying as a girl permanently. Also why this choice was wussing out.

And the lesbians are evil undertones kinda pissed me off too.

Edit: Oh yeah, and Mikoto is demonstrably insane, and I don't think she's too picky about Natsuru's gender either.

Suwako Moriya
12-14-2009, 12:15 AM
Most, if not all (Mikoto is iffy), of team purple would be willing to screw girl Natsuru too. He could have had all of them as a girl. By choosing to remain a male, he simply eliminated five of the options entirely and gets the lesser (hetero) version of the remaining three he could have had as a girl too.

Perhaps, but that's assuming that the Kaede/White Kampfer side and the other members of team purple would actually be willing to accept each other. There's definite bad blood between them. Thus even if he were to stay as a girl forever, he wouldn't get everyone, anyway.

Also, I'd like to assume that even though he changed to male form at the end of the episode that doesn't mean the female form is gone forever. It will probably be forced out on occasion.

Finally, your statement once more confirms an advantage to team purple. They're more flexible.

Fudce
12-14-2009, 06:10 PM
A friend elsewhere has put forth that this was the most awesomely stupid episode of anime in a long time.

I'm hard pressed to disagree.

I'll agree too, and the Ode to Yuri was just the icing on the cake.


Oh, and Transformed Mikoto has some of the best underwear ever!

Suwako Moriya
12-17-2009, 11:05 AM
So we start with Natsuru starting to tell a child that's calling her "Mama" (Did I hear that right?) a story.

Yeah, it looks like Natsuru and the Tiger have switched bodies.

The tiger is definitely taking advantage of things.

Nice outfit choice, I wonder if anyone notices the ears.

The others got switched as well and the run into Tiger-Natsuru.

I wonder if the main purpose of this episode is to give the seiyuu of the animals more lines.

Sadly for Natsuru in the Tiger body, the others have arrived. Even in a dog body, Mikoto will still show anger.


Tiger and the others who had been eating have come to realize that food costs money. We get some of the trio out of this scene.

They're thrown down to some area and then end up on some stage?

An audience of entrail animals?

A Kaede appears and takes them out of there. She then takes them to an amusement park.

Natsuru is doomed.

Ah, a group picture of the four with animal ears.

A strange game of twister. Never mind, I think there's an alterior motive to these games in general.

I think Kaede likes this game.

Upset Kaede is upset. Now she's praying. The Trio in Nun outfits have arrived.

Kaede is forced to work for them.

Tiger and crew to the rescue of Kaede? Tiger and crew vs the trio.

Tiger gets injured and suddenly the four of them are playing around.

Well, I guess things worked out for at least the animals and Kaede...

Female Natsuru finishes the story and male Natsuru is sitting next to her. Yeah, this is definitely meant to viewed as a none-canon omake episode.

Suwako Moriya
12-18-2009, 02:38 AM
I'm convinced now. The Nanoha movie will only be good if Nanoha says "Shut up before I befriend you".

It's also nice to know that Kaede was close to forming a harem with the animal-kampfer.

On a side note, now I have to wonder what the animals for the White Kampfer might have been voiced by.

Nork22
12-18-2009, 03:46 PM
That was the best WTF episode I've seen in a long time. Also loved the out of character Shizuku with the nekomimi...


On a side note, now I have to wonder what the animals for the White Kampfer might have been voiced by.
You know what I would say about Rika Ueda... it should be Rie Kugimiya only cause... :)

ilmaestro
12-18-2009, 10:58 PM
What can I say? This show was just great in the end, as long as you just went with the flow.

Merry Christmas, indeed. :)

Suwako Moriya
12-19-2009, 04:56 AM
What can I say? This show was just great in the end, as long as you just went with the flow.:

True. Actually, a lot of times the secret to enjoying a show is to go with the flow. Too often people try go against the flow of a show which just makes it harder to enjoy the series.

HitokiriShadow
12-20-2009, 12:40 AM
..... The series apparently decided there was no way it could top its insane ending in the previous episode, so it just decided to give up any pretense or attempt at sanity and making sense, and just dived down the rabbit hole. And it worked, as it was a pretty amusing (and very odd) episode. Not a bad way to end the series.

pianocello
12-30-2009, 01:50 AM
I probably enjoyed this more than some of you. The characters were hot. While Natsuru was irritating in his denseness, at least he made a choice in the end. It was also amusing to watch Kaede in ep 12 get the ultimate yuri orgasm. :devil: I personally think that the best ending would have been Natsuru staying female and choosing his purple trio as a female.