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Fudce
10-01-2009, 02:32 PM
This is one of my more anticipated series of the autumn season, and episode one airs tomorrow evening, so I figured it was time to post a discussion thread.

ANN entry (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=10706).
Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun).
Official site (http://www.project-railgun.net/).
Magical Index Discussion Thread.


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animeman
10-01-2009, 05:59 PM
Can't wait for the first episode of Rail Gun. The series will tide us over until they do a 2nd season of To Aru Kagaku no Index.

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Fudce
10-01-2009, 06:05 PM
I'm looking forward to meeting the new characters. Yeah, I know they appeared in the background in an episode of Index, but I mean really meet them.

And more Kuroko can never be a bad thing, can it? :P

Draneor
10-01-2009, 06:17 PM
And more Kuroko can never be a bad thing, can it? :P

Yes it can. But more Mikoto makes up for it.

oo7565
10-02-2009, 01:00 AM
Can't wait for the first episode of Rail Gun. The series will tide us over when they do a 2nd season of To Aru Kagaku no Index.

i agree with you 100% one more thing i hope we do not have to wait too long for the second season of To Aru Kagaku no Index hopefully we may get it next year i hope so. anyone else have any thoughts

Fudce
10-02-2009, 12:56 PM
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Looks like a gentle start to the series. Some guys approach Mikoto, and a coach of tourists are visitting Academy City. Things then go awry and we get to see Kuroko doing her stuff, and our first glimpse of Kazari. And then... fried guys!

Lots of cute girls, psychic classes? bending? And Kuroko looks cute in her gym kit, plus oujo-sama character!
Hmm, so that was Mikoto causing the big splashes? And suddenly - Shower room!
And fondling!
Hmm.. Amu just flipped Su's skirt.. um Ruiko flipped Kazari's skirt. Both are cute.
And it seems like Kazari idolises Kuroko! (correction - idolises Mikoto - much more sensible)
I love Kuroko's voice.
Was that Touma I just saw sitting behind Mikoto?
And Mikoto gets a lapfull of Kuroko while Ruiko and Kazari watch.
It seems that Ruiko is a level 0.
And Mikoto likes cute little frog tags. :)
Aw... Ruiko got the last frog, much to Mikoto's huge disapointment, but Ruiko gives it her. aw!
And more Mikoto vs Kuroko fun. Wow, Kuroko sure is posessive about her Onee-sama.
And action. Time for Kazari and Kuroko to jump into action!
Kuroko is awesome.
And the tour guide lady again.
And teleporting Kuroko is even more awesome!
And here it comes... the RAILGUN!
Mikoto is the 3rd best level 5.. What's the chances of us meeting one of the two better? (the other of the two is Accellerator, right?)
And more Kuroko Glomping/Groping again.
Ending theme is interesting, and Touma is definitly in the animation but mainly as an easter-egg it seems.

Well that was fun, and awesome. Love Kazari and Ruiko already, they work much more naturally than the Kuroko/Mikoto combo.

angelx03
10-02-2009, 01:04 PM
Was the ending sequence the real ending sequence or was it the OP sequence put at the end of the episode?

Fudce
10-02-2009, 01:06 PM
Was the ending sequence the real ending sequence or was it the OP sequence put at the end of the episode?

I have a feeling that it's the OP - the tune was what they were advertising as the opening theme at least.

Westlo
10-02-2009, 04:55 PM
Mikoto is the 3rd best level 5.. What's the chances of us meeting one of the two better? (the other of the two is Accellerator, right?)

Ending theme is interesting, and Touma is definitly in the animation but mainly as an easter-egg it seems.

Accelerator is still the strongest level 5, Touma will definitely be in it, Railgun is the events before and during the Mikoto/Accelerator arc from Mikoto's perspective as opposed to an alternate story. So yep Mikoto wants Touma and Kuroko is pseudo yuri used to bait yuri fanboys lol.

And the ED is the OP.

Fencedude
10-02-2009, 04:58 PM
So yep Mikoto wants Touma and Kuroko is pseudo yuri used to bait yuri fanboys lol.


I'd say Kuroko has the incumbancy advantage.

Fudce
10-02-2009, 05:01 PM
Accelerator is still the strongest level 5, Touma will definitely be in it, Railgun is the events before and during the Mikoto/Accelerator arc from Mikoto's perspective as opposed to an alternate story.

I didn't need to know that, and in fact I didn't WANT to know it. I'd rather find out while watching it rather than have someone tell me after a single episode. Please, don't spoil the story before it's happened.

jlazar
10-02-2009, 07:51 PM
Looks like a fun season ahead.

Fights...

Showers...

Lesbian love...

What more can you ask for?

I'm glad they didn't feel the need to keep Index and the others in this series (so far). Wouldn't mind seeing short cameos later on, especially Last Order and the other numbers (there were still some alive, if I remember right). But for now, I like that the two main characters have the stage to themselves.

It looks like there could be two intertwined love triangles forming. :)

angelx03
10-02-2009, 08:52 PM
You know for all the lesbian tendencies Kuroko displays, she's actually very competent and takes her job very seriously; I've gained a good amount of respect out of her. And not to mention she's really badass with her teleportation powers!

And then there's Biribiri's Railgun attack.....:devil:

EmperorBrandon
10-02-2009, 09:55 PM
Official site (http://shugo-chara.com/).

That's the Shugo Chara official site, Fudce. ;)

Hmmm... I'm kind of curious to check at least a little bit of this out, but I stopped in the middle of Index (around ep. 11 I think), and didn't really get back to it, for whatever reason. Should I make sure to watch all of Index before seeing this or would it be no problem to check it now?

something
10-02-2009, 10:10 PM
Touma will definitely be in it, Railgun is the events before and during the Mikoto/Accelerator arc from Mikoto's perspective as opposed to an alternate story.
Somehow my interest just dropped about 75%.

Fencedude
10-02-2009, 10:14 PM
Touma will definitely be in it, Railgun is the events before and during the Mikoto/Accelerator arc from Mikoto's perspective as opposed to an alternate story.
Somehow my interest just dropped about 75%.

You didn't know this?

something
10-02-2009, 10:27 PM
You didn't know this?
I don't look for such details before airing for any show.

Fudce
10-02-2009, 10:42 PM
You didn't know this?
I don't look for such details before airing for any show.

I personally knew that it was a spinoff and I knew the four main characters, but other than that have no idea of the story whatsoever and made a concious effort to avoid people telling me anything about the story.

Something which seems to have failed after one episode.

something
10-02-2009, 10:50 PM
I personally knew that it was a spinoff
Yeah, when I heard it was a spinoff I assumed it was a whole new story of sorts. A shame that's not the case, but well, at least it's more Mikoto.

HitokiriShadow
10-02-2009, 10:57 PM
Fuck yeah, Railgun returns!

We also get more Kuroko, and she gets to show her combat prowess in this episode. I recall seeing her use those needles in Index, but I don't recall her doing as much close quarters combat as we saw here. I'm definitely hoping to see more of that.

Uiharu and Ruiko are fantastic additions to the cast and I can't wait to see more of them.

This was easily my most anticipated series of the season and the first episode most definitely met my expectations.

OP is great but I already knew I would like the music since I heard it before. I can't wait to hear the ED next episode.

Fencedude
10-02-2009, 11:05 PM
Ruiko is....amazing. I think I'm in love.

<3 <3 <3

(oh yeah everyone else was awesome too)

Sly05
10-02-2009, 11:06 PM
I've been looking forward to this, having enjoyed the manga. Mikoto and Kuroko are as awesome as ever and Saten and Uirhara both came across well. Saten helping the little boy at the end was particularly cool as it takes a lot more courage to put yourself on the line when you aren't super powered like everyone else.

The action scenes here weren't as spectacularly animated as some of the stuff in Index (though I admit its only the first episode), but I like how the episode showed off the strength of Mikoto's powers. There's a huge gap between her and pretty much everyone else.

pi8you
10-03-2009, 01:54 AM
Yay, Mikoto is as electrifying as ever, Kuroko gets more entertaining, and Ruiko is an instant favorite addition. We're off to a great start, let's keep this up (and keep Touma's involvement limited to the same amount of time he gets in the OP).

something
10-03-2009, 04:47 PM
Episode 1:

- Mikotooooooooo~
- Kurokooooooooo~
- And one of the two cute short black haired girls I've seen a few images of. First up, Uiharu! And hey, it's Toyosaki Aki again! Yeah, I think I can totally get used to hearing her voice more often. Awesome. Looks like the other one will be Itou Kanae too, nice.
- Kuroko is right, wearing shorts is unfair. Where's a MISAKA when you need one?
- Heh Mitsuko, go ahead, test yourself against the real Tokiwada ace =D
- You know, it really seems like Level 5 doesnt begin to describe Mikoto even here.
- Shooooowwwwwwwwerrrrrrrrrrrrrr
- YES. GROPE HER TO YOUR HEART'S CONTENT, KUROKO-SAMA! lol, Kuroko is awesome.
- Heh, looks like Uihara Kazari has her own Kuroko to deal with. The flowers in her hair are exceptionally cute.
- Saten Ruiko is delicious.
- Heh, Kazari is another Mikoto fan.
- Aahahahah! Kuroko is so much love. Love where she jumps in Mikoto's lap, and Kazari and Ruiko see =D
- Oh god, Arai Satomi is just perfect as Kuroko. Love the heavy breathing/groaning right before Mikoto hits her.
- Mikoto is waaaaaaaay cute about the frog thing.
- FUCK YES KUROKO! We absolutely need more of Kuroko's teleporter fighting style. I looooove her.
- FUCK YES MIKOTO! That was a glorious railgun right there.
- Awesome ED (well, OP).
- And the preview looks promising =D

I guess Blacksmith's lead on Fall only lasted about an hour, heh. As I'd hoped, this looks easily set to win the season, with only Kiddy Girl-and as a likely competitor.

All four characters are pretty much instant and infinite win, but right now Kuroko amuses me the most. I'm guessing it'll switch over to Mikoto when the serious stuff starts. But it's mostly about how they all interact.

For the love of god, please let Touma play the most infinitesimally small role imaginable in this series. Please. He wasn't particularly terrible in Index or anything, but I'm just not interested in him or his stupid hand right now. This needs to be Mikoto's time. Every episode needs to be as epic as this one, in terms of fanservice, action, and these four cute girls interacting with each other. Because at the moment, in one episode Railgun just became better than all of Index.

Fudce
10-03-2009, 04:59 PM
- Oh god, Arai Satomi is just perfect as Kuroko. Love the heavy breathing/groaning right before Mikoto hits her.

Her voice is so pervertedly cute and raspy, it works so well on so many levels. :)

something
10-03-2009, 05:29 PM
- Oh god, Arai Satomi is just perfect as Kuroko. Love the heavy breathing/groaning right before Mikoto hits her.Her voice is so pervertedly cute and raspy, it works so well on so many levels. :)
I live to hear her screeching ONEEEEEE-SAMAAAAA, ONEEEEEE-SAMAAAAA, ONEEEEEE-SAMAAAAA~~~~~~!!!!!!!

angelx03
10-03-2009, 05:43 PM
- Oh god, Arai Satomi is just perfect as Kuroko. Love the heavy breathing/groaning right before Mikoto hits her.Her voice is so pervertedly cute and raspy, it works so well on so many levels. :)
I live to hear her screeching ONEEEEEE-SAMAAAAA, ONEEEEEE-SAMAAAAA, ONEEEEEE-SAMAAAAA~~~~~~!!!!!!!

With that, I am now imagining that doujin pic pianocello mentioned awhile back. :laugh:

William K
10-03-2009, 06:43 PM
Official site (http://shugo-chara.com/).

Errr, that's the shugo-chara official site :)

Fudce
10-03-2009, 06:48 PM
Official site (http://shugo-chara.com/).

Errr, that's the shugo-chara official site :)

Good to know that someone is awake... ;)

Guess which thread I used as a template to save me time when posting the thread...

It's fixed now at least.

Fencedude
10-03-2009, 07:06 PM
Hey, in the OP/ED at 23:25, isn't that the thing that was inside whatshername during the final INDEX arc?

angelx03
10-03-2009, 07:17 PM
Hey, in the OP/ED at 23:25, isn't that the thing that was inside whatshername during the final INDEX arc?

You mean that glowing, spinning prism? Hmmm, looks like that'll play in a role somehow. It looks like it came from an egg this time.

TheGreenMan
10-03-2009, 08:53 PM
Episode 1:



I guess Blacksmith's lead on Fall only lasted about an hour, heh. As I'd hoped, this looks easily set to win the season, with only Kiddy Girl-and as a likely competitor.



There's Sasameki Koto and Kimi ni Todoke airing next week, so don't jump to conclusions just yet.

something
10-03-2009, 09:35 PM
There's Sasameki Koto and Kimi ni Todoke airing next week, so don't jump to conclusions just yet.
Unless Sasameki Koto is real yuri (what little I've read about it implies it's totally unrequited, unless I'm mixing it up with something else?) it's going to be pretty hard for it to get past Railgun. As for KnT, I don't really know anything about it although it's on my list of things to watch. About the only thing that could bring Railgun down is, well, itself (or again, KG-a), if it loses focus on Mikoto at any point.

But yes, of course nothing is guaranteed until the last fall show rolls its final ending credits.

Edit: actually, Nogizaka is likely to be up there too, if it has a strong ending.

Suwako Moriya
10-03-2009, 09:47 PM
Shirai Kuroko is hot. Shirai Kuroko has twin tails. Shirai Kuroko provides us with yuri. Shirai Kuroko is awesome. I've come to the conclusion that I must have a liking for Shirai Kuroko.

Uihara Kazari and Saten Ruiko both seem like they have plenty of potential. Hopefully they'll get plenty of screen time.

Misaka Mikoto had some pretty nice moments during the episode. Nice to see multiple sides of her.

I have this sudden urge to claim that Shirai Kuroko, Uihara Kazari, and Saten Ruiko are part of Misak Mikoto's harem or at least they should be.

HitokiriShadow
10-03-2009, 09:59 PM
I have this sudden urge to claim that Shirai Kuroko, Uihara Kazari, and Saten Ruiko are part of Misak Mikoto's harem or at least they should be.

Kuroko's not happy about having to share Mikoto, but its an undeniable fact that Mikoto has her own harem by the end of the episode.

jlazar
10-03-2009, 10:05 PM
I have this sudden urge to claim that Shirai Kuroko, Uihara Kazari, and Saten Ruiko are part of Misak Mikoto's harem or at least they should be.

Kuroko's not happy about having to share Mikoto, but its an undeniable fact that Mikoto has her own harem by the end of the episode.

Well, maybe in the end they can each have a Mikoto... there are a lot of copies running around. Enough for everyone to have a Mikoto of their very own (where's mine?) :)

Suwako Moriya
10-03-2009, 10:08 PM
I have this sudden urge to claim that Shirai Kuroko, Uihara Kazari, and Saten Ruiko are part of Misak Mikoto's harem or at least they should be. Kuroko's not happy about having to share Mikoto, but its an undeniable fact that Mikoto has her own harem by the end of the episode.

Well, it wouldn't be a harem if there weren't some kinks to work out first. However I'm sure once the said kinks are worked out, it will be an awesome four way. Only problem is I might wake up from the dream before it's finished.

littleharlock
10-04-2009, 03:02 AM
Episode 1:
I guess Blacksmith's lead on Fall only lasted about an hour, heh. As I'd hoped, this looks easily set to win the season, with only Kiddy Girl-and as a likely competitor.



There's Sasameki Koto and Kimi ni Todoke airing next week, so don't jump to conclusions just yet.

And please don't forget about 11eyes that *if* sticking faithful enough or at least captures the essence of the Soft is going to rule big times! I'm almost sure some people around here (thinking of Fencedude there) won't be able to resist the charm of Hirohara Yukiko (http://dragonautics.co.at/pub/media/11eyes007.jpg) ^_~

That said, watched the first episode of Railgun (despite not having cared for Index much at all) and loved it. Especially Misaka seems to be an interesting lead and Saten's subtle but important acting during this episode made her a quite sympathic girl right from the beginning (especially her seemingly not as biased acting when it comes to Levels than most others shown)

Suwako Moriya
10-04-2009, 06:14 PM
And please don't forget about 11eyes that *if* sticking faithful enough or at least captures the essence of the Soft is going to rule big times! I'm almost sure some people around here (thinking of Fencedude there) won't be able to resist the charm of Hirohara Yukiko (http://dragonautics.co.at/pub/media/11eyes007.jpg) ^_~

I have no idea what she's like, but I definitely like her design. Granted the first question when it comes to 11 Eyes is this. How many cour is it getting and how many does it need? I suppose that depends on what they're planning to cover and how the game was structured.

As for Rail Gun itself? It was a good first episode, but I'm not yet ready to call it the best of the season. Then again, I'm still sorting through my feelings on what I've seen so far. So that could be part of it as well.

angelx03
10-09-2009, 02:24 PM
Episode 2 obviously introduced the real ED sequence. It's sung by Elisa, and it's title "Dear My Friend" so yeah......:bigsmile:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaPEb7AxQoE

Fudce
10-09-2009, 05:09 PM
A lot less serious this week, the episode is about Kuroko and the love (lust?) for her Onee-sama. Lots of slapstick moments where Kuroko does something silly, and many more moments when Mikoto is embarrassed by Kuroko. :)

Kuroko is not someone to be underestimated though, the moment where she teleported away Mikoto's underwear was something that had to be seen to be believed, and then the masochistic electroshock therapy towards the end of the episode.. I was laughing out loud. :)

Not as keen on the ending theme as I am the opening theme. I mean, it's nice, but that's all it is.

angelx03
10-09-2009, 06:04 PM
Kuroko......oh GOD Kuroko!!! (http://i38.tinypic.com/30naf87.jpg) :blush1::laugh:

Buster Blader 126
10-09-2009, 06:50 PM
I wasn't intending on starting this, but I saw the Opening, and the OP song is great! It also looks pretty kickass.

AND Elisa is singing the ending theme. I LOVE Elisa.

Consider me interested.

Suwako Moriya
10-09-2009, 06:53 PM
Episode 2 obviously introduced the real ED sequence. It's sung by Elisa, and it's title "Dear My Friend" so yeah......:bigsmile:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaPEb7AxQoE

If the purpose of the ending is to be nice and relaxing then it more or less gets the job done. That's the main thing I'll say about it.

Suwako Moriya
10-09-2009, 06:56 PM
Kuroko......oh GOD Kuroko!!! (http://i38.tinypic.com/30naf87.jpg) :blush1::laugh:

For some reason I am now jealous of Mikoto. I'd be less jealous if Mikoto would accept her destiny and not let Kuroko's hotness go to waste.

Fencedude
10-09-2009, 11:45 PM
Wow, that was a lot of fun. The episode was over before I even realized it.

One thing this episode drives home, that was never really apparent in INDEX, is how Mikoto really is just a gosh darn nice person. She pretty much gets on terrifically with anyone not named Kamijyo Touma.

Saten continued to be terrific, even if her role was somewhat more limited this time, and Kuroko's explanation of all her underwear was hilarious.

I liked seeing another character with a "useful" power, even if it was just something minor, I'm really curious to find out just what Kazari's power is, and how, if at all, it relates to the flowers on her head (note, I don't want to be told, 'k?).

oo7565
10-10-2009, 03:11 AM
after seeying this episode which i loved Kuroko must have been drop on her head by someone when she was little over and over hahahahahahaha

Sly05
10-10-2009, 10:42 PM
It's Touma, but with minimal dialogue and he quickly disappears. Hooray!

Funny episode with a lot of great Kuroko moments. Her explanations for her underwear were great. "Sometimes a woman just has to become a panther." lol Saten was also awesome in that scene with her nonchalantly going through other peoples belongings and digging up all of Kuroko's dirt.

The end theme is all right. The animation is nice and the song is fitting, but its probably not one I'll be watching every episode, unlike the awesome OP.

Shiroi Hane
10-11-2009, 03:30 PM
I'm really curious to find out just what Kazari's power is, and how, if at all, it relates to the flowers on her head (note, I don't want to be told, 'k?).
From what she said in the first episode the flowers are her power. She said something about it when she first appears with Saten after being tested.

Fudce
10-11-2009, 04:11 PM
I'm really curious to find out just what Kazari's power is, and how, if at all, it relates to the flowers on her head (note, I don't want to be told, 'k?).
From what she said in the first episode the flowers are her power. She said something about it when she first appears with Saten after being tested.

The Power of Flower? Who does she think she is, Hinagiku Katsura?

Suwako Moriya
10-11-2009, 04:28 PM
The Power of Flower? Who does she think she is, Hinagiku Katsura?

Or maybe she's just trying to grow her own Fire Flower to shoot fireballs. Or maybe she plans to feed the meat of the flowers to monsters to get them to change their forms. *Will actually get around to watching the episode later*

Suwako Moriya
10-11-2009, 05:25 PM
I've come to the conclusion that all Kuroko needs is some love.

Fudce
10-11-2009, 05:31 PM
I've come to the conclusion that all Kuroko needs is some love.

She needs a lot of love, from Mikoto, from the looks of things.

Suwako Moriya
10-11-2009, 06:17 PM
I've come to the conclusion that all Kuroko needs is some love.She needs a lot of love, from Mikoto, from the looks of things.

Exactly, hence why as shocking as it may sound, Mikoto needs to fulfill her destiny. All right, it may not be shocking, but I just wanted an excuse to say shocking.

Fudce
10-11-2009, 06:31 PM
I've come to the conclusion that all Kuroko needs is some love.She needs a lot of love, from Mikoto, from the looks of things.

Exactly, hence why as shocking as it may sound, Mikoto needs to fulfill her destiny. All right, it may not be shocking, but I just wanted an excuse to say shocking.

Mikoto is always shocking. :catgirl:

Mateo_home
10-11-2009, 08:05 PM
When it comes to Mikoto, Kuroko is quite the masochist. And she'd be all up in arms if Mikoto gave her some shock therapy.

something
10-11-2009, 08:54 PM
To Aru Kagaku no TELEPORTER - Episode 2:

- Goooooo awaaaaaaayyyyy Touma! This is not your show, you're not allowed to be here!
- I'm really liking this OP.
- Shower scene again! Kuroko! YES!
- Oh my god Kuroko fucking wins so hard. Mindboggling sexiness.
- Man, I think they need to just go ahead and recognize that Kuroko is the main character of this show =D
- Now for Kuroko's panty stash!
- Fuuuuuuck, this is amazing. I knew Railgun would be superior to Index, but this is just nuts.
- Aahaha, Kuroko's photo album.
- Heh so much melodrama over one month. I love it!
- Ahaha, if you won't accept my love, we must fight!
- She just snapped Kuroko's neck. o_O
- Kinoho and Maaya! More delicious new characters.
- Ganbatte, Kuroko-chan! Never give up! <3
- Kuroko! ;_; Ahaha, and Mikoto's reaction is "...oh shit what am I supposed to do."
- OH GOD SHE'S SO HAPPY. ;_;
- Hey that drink was...
- UNDERWEAR TELEPORTATION NO JUTSU!

Faaaaaaaaaaaanfuckingtaaaaaastic episode!

Oh god, the ED is great, especially after this episode.

Absolutely love this show. If they keep Touma and Index and the Magic side in general out of it, I'm going to have to fight to keep it off my import list (though the realities of cost will likely do that anyway, but still).

Suwako Moriya
10-11-2009, 09:03 PM
Man, I think they need to just go ahead and recognize that Kuroko is the main character of this show =D

She's certainly the driving force of the series right now. So, yeah, let's consider her to be the lead. Mikoto, you can still be the title character.

If they keep Touma and Index and the Magic side in general out of it, I'm going to have to fight to keep it off my import list (though the realities of cost will likely do that anyway, but still).

Well, there wouldn't be much of a point to having a Mikoto focused side story if Mikoto had to take a back seat to Index.


It would be as silly as if in the main series they were to have Index take backseat to every single side character that popped up and...

Fencedude
10-11-2009, 09:06 PM
It would be as silly as if in the main series they were to have Index take backseat to every single side character that popped up and...

OH SNAP!

HitokiriShadow
10-11-2009, 11:24 PM
Kuroko just kills me. Her fantasies, her underwear, her casual explanations of said underwear to her friends... she's just hilarious and she's in top form here.

And LOL Saten "Seeing your striped panties calms me down".

Oh, so Kuroko and Mikoto have only known each other for a month. I just assumed they had known each other for quite a bit longer than that.

Ahahaha, Mikoto and Kuroko are utterly terrified. And then the dorm supervisor twisted Kuroko's neck and tossed her aside... absolutely hilarious. I haven't laughed so hard in weeks (at least).

Uh, what a random gift to give to Kuroko. A yellow shirt with a rabbit and "USA" on it. And then Kuroko drinks the water spiked with the aphrodisiac...

And the episode ends on high note, with another very amusing scene.

The ED is pretty average music wise. I'm a little disappointed, I was hoping for something better. Oh well, I'm still getting the CD, just not for the music.

HitokiriShadow
10-11-2009, 11:38 PM
Absolutely love this show. If they keep Touma and Index and the Magic side in general out of it, I'm going to have to fight to keep it off my import list (though the realities of cost will likely do that anyway, but still).

I rated Index fairly high to begin with and Railgun focuses on the best parts and then some while removing the worst, so I was very confident I would love this series. I had considered importing Index back while it was still airing and it was pretty much a given that I would import this as soon as I made the plunge into the wonderful world of importing ridiculously overpriced Japanese releases.

something
10-12-2009, 12:45 AM
I rated Index fairly high to begin with and Railgun focuses on the best parts and then some while removing the worst, so I was very confident I would love this series. I had considered importing Index back while it was still airing and it was pretty much a given that I would import this as soon as I made the plunge into the wonderful world of importing ridiculously overpriced Japanese releases.
Heh, I'm thinking I should limit myself to 4 series a year, depending on length. Then again two cour of Clannad is the same number of discs as one cour of Haruhi, so... yeah, Japanese release models are bizarre. Anyway, I've already bought three and I'm thinking I should hold off getting a fourth since I just spend another $1100 on computer stuff. Otherwise, this one would (assuming it maintains this level) be a serious contender.

Westlo
10-12-2009, 03:21 AM
lol @ the Touma hate, as long as he doesn't preach for half the episode he's actually a pretty decent lead. Or is the hate more because he gets in the way of Mikoto x Kuroko? lol.

Also a lot of manga readers think this will end up being 2 cours maybe due the pacing, though some still think 1 cour, guess we have to wait for dvd release info.

I've come to the conclusion that all Kuroko needs is some love.

She also needs a new voice, though I have to admit it's more bearable in Railgun than it was in Index since she slightly changed it.. I think.

Suwako Moriya
10-12-2009, 05:17 AM
lol @ the Touma hate, as long as he doesn't preach for half the episode he's actually a pretty decent lead. Or is the hate more because he gets in the way of Mikoto x Kuroko? lol.

The longer Touma is on the screen the more danger there is of him activating "preach" mode. As for getting in the way of Mikoto x Kuroko, honestly even without competition, Kuroko has an uphill battle when it comes to Mikoto.


I've come to the conclusion that all Kuroko needs is some love.She also needs a new voice, though I have to admit it's more bearable in Railgun than it was in Index since she slightly changed it.. I think.

To be honest, I'm fine with her voice. It's not exactly the most pleasant one, but it doesn't really bother me. Although it's the type of voice you want for select characters and not to become common. If that makes any sense.

Fencedude
10-12-2009, 05:22 AM
She also needs a new voice, though I have to admit it's more bearable in Railgun than it was in Index since she slightly changed it.. I think.

Kuroko's voice is amazing. <3

As for Touma, I actually don't have much of a problem with him, its just that whenever he's around, people tend to want to launch into paragraphs of exposition, most of which isn't very interesting. (and this is from someone who likes expository dialog much of the time)

Also, the magic side (which Touma is more associated with in general) is less interesting than the science side.

I am also somewhat curious (but don't tell me) about the relative timeline. I'm pretty sure we are still pre-INDEX right now

Westlo
10-12-2009, 05:45 AM
lol @ the Touma hate, as long as he doesn't preach for half the episode he's actually a pretty decent lead. Or is the hate more because he gets in the way of Mikoto x Kuroko? lol.

The longer Touma is on the screen the more danger there is of him activating "preach" mode. As for getting in the way of Mikoto x Kuroko, honestly even without competition, Kuroko has an uphill battle when it comes to Mikoto.

I actually haven't read that much of the manga, but I really don't think we're going to get Touma in "preach" mode. Mainly because the source material is a manga compared to a light novel like with Index. Light Novels are generally much more wordy than a manga for obvious reasons.

To be honest, I'm fine with her voice. It's not exactly the most pleasant one, but it doesn't really bother me. Although it's the type of voice you want for select characters and not to become common. If that makes any sense.

But am I wrong in saying that it's slightly different than it was in Index? Like on an annoyance scale (with Hoshi voicing crying Kira Yamato in SEED being a 10) I would say her voice was a 8 in Index, where it's more or less a 5 or 6 here.

Westlo
10-12-2009, 05:47 AM
Also, the magic side (which Touma is more associated with in general) is less interesting than the science side.

Shouldn't be a problem here since this is from Mikoto side of things. Thank god that means no TLDR guy showing up.

Fencedude
10-12-2009, 06:12 AM
But am I wrong in saying that it's slightly different than it was in Index? Like on an annoyance scale (with Hoshi voicing crying Kira Yamato in SEED being a 10) I would say her voice was a 8 in Index, where it's more or less a 5 or 6 here.

Nah, Hoshi's crying is only a 9.999~ on the annoyance scale. The single most obnoxious noise ever to be created in a Japanese studio is Baby Mario's crying in Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island.

something
10-12-2009, 07:47 AM
lol @ the Touma hate, as long as he doesn't preach for half the episode he's actually a pretty decent lead. Or is the hate more because he gets in the way of Mikoto x Kuroko? lol.
Touma, and everything that inherently comes along with him, is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much less interesting than these four. I never hated him in Index, but that's profoundly not the point. We got two cour of him and his stupid hand in Index, and we're virtually guaranteed two, even four more cour of him in seasons to come, for better and for worse. So right now, I want absolutely nothing to do with him whatsoever.

As for "getting in the way of" Mikoto x Kuroko, that depends what you even mean. I doubt anyone is serious about expecting an emotional romantic confession and make-out session between the two. It's not that kind of show - although I'm really not sure what that would have to do with enjoying the Mikoto x Kuroko dynamic anyway, but whatever. But the less he's around the more time we get seeing them interact along the lines of these first two episodes, and I'll take that over anything we got from Index any day.

HitokiriShadow
10-12-2009, 09:36 AM
lol @ the Touma hate, as long as he doesn't preach for half the episode he's actually a pretty decent lead. Or is the hate more because he gets in the way of Mikoto x Kuroko? lol.


Well, I didn't complain about Touma, but I'll state my position on the matter anyway. :p

I actually don't have any problems with Touma in Index. He's a solid lead, his situation after the end of the first arc is actually kind of interesting, and his interactions with Index (when they actually manage to interact, since Index was absent or barely present most of the episodes) were pretty amusing. But he has his own series and I'd really not waste time on him here when there are 4 much better and more fun characters, two of which will not appear in Index at all aside from possible background/OP cameos and the other two will have drastically less screentime. This is their time, so Touma should have very, very little involvement.

But its not like his mere presence or a few minutes of screentime are going to throw me into a fit of rage, like it seems to do for some people.

Andrew Cunningham
10-12-2009, 04:41 PM
But am I wrong in saying that it's slightly different than it was in Index? Like on an annoyance scale (with Hoshi voicing crying Kira Yamato in SEED being a 10) I would say her voice was a 8 in Index, where it's more or less a 5 or 6 here.

I don't remember it bothering me in Index, but it has been a little grating here...usually in comedy bits I thought were a bit too broad as well. I'm looking forward to the show developing a plot, as it seems a lot less balanced than Index.

Fencedude
10-12-2009, 04:47 PM
But am I wrong in saying that it's slightly different than it was in Index? Like on an annoyance scale (with Hoshi voicing crying Kira Yamato in SEED being a 10) I would say her voice was a 8 in Index, where it's more or less a 5 or 6 here.

I don't remember it bothering me in Index, but it has been a little grating here...usually in comedy bits I thought were a bit too broad as well. I'm looking forward to the show developing a plot, as it seems a lot less balanced than Index.

Plot is overrated.

Andrew Cunningham
10-12-2009, 05:00 PM
Plot is overrated.

You're right. I actually meant action.

something
10-12-2009, 08:56 PM
Plot is overrated.You're right. I actually meant action.
That I can get behind. I don't really care who or what they're fighting, but get me more railgun and teleportation fighting and I will be extremely content.

Draneor
10-12-2009, 10:22 PM
I think Kuroko will always annoy me. Especially the way she talks. Grr. She annoys me to death (nothing gets on my nerves more than "watakushi, ending every sentence in "desu wa," and so forth). Still, I'm very glad she's been relegated to the role of comic relief as I don't think I could suffer through a series where she had a serious role. Saten, on the other hand, is moe. She certainly makes a much better level 0 than Touma does. I'm totally going for a Saten/Mikoto pairing now (well, for now--I still want the impossible Mikoto/Touma pairing too).

Fencedude
10-12-2009, 10:28 PM
I think Kuroko will always annoy me. Especially the way she talks. Grr. She annoys me to death (nothing gets on my nerves more than "watakushi, ending every sentence in "desu wa," and so forth). Still, I'm very glad she's been relegated to the role of comic relief as I don't think I could suffer through a series where she had a serious role. Saten, on the other hand, is moe. She certainly makes a much better level 0 than Touma does. I'm totally going for a Saten/Mikoto pairing now (well, for now--I still want the impossible Mikoto/Touma pairing too).

Whenever I watch Needless I keep thinking of this show's Saten, and its really funny.

Maybe Saten will discover some uber power (other than just being awesome as it is).

Mikoto goes well with a number of people, actually. While Mikoto/Ruiko would be the most amazing thing ever, I don't see how Mikoto/Touma is particularly impossible. Its certainly more likely than most other pairings involving Touma.

Draneor
10-12-2009, 10:37 PM
I keep getting the feeling I'm missing something amazing by skipping on Needless but... my danger sense is telling me to avoid it.

Maybe Saten will discover some uber power (other than just being awesome as it is).

I'd be happy if she was just normal, but otherwise not an idiot. A character who has no power but still can still accomplish something.

Mikoto goes well with a number of people, actually.

That's because she's just awesome. She even goes well with MISAKA!

I don't see how Mikoto/Touma is particularly impossible. Its certainly more likely than most other pairings involving Touma.

I think it's impossible because of light novel rule number #1: alternate girl has no chance against the girl whose name is in the title. Anything is possible, but... Of course, in this case, Railgun is in the title so maybe she does have a chance. It's the hope that Mikoto can end up happy that keeps me watching it. And while I wouldn't have picked Touma...

Fencedude
10-12-2009, 10:41 PM
I keep getting the feeling I'm missing something amazing by skipping on Needless but... my sense is telling me to avoid it.

Its certainly...interesting. I really don't know if you'd like it, but its vastly amusing.


I think it's impossible because of light novel rule number #1: alternate girl has no chance against the girl whose name is in the title. Anything is possible, but... Of course, in this case, Railgun is in the title so maybe she does have a chance. It's the hope that Mikoto can end up happy that keeps me watching it.

But that presumes that the girl in question even does a damn thing, which Index...hasn't. Also, I just find her really hard to buy as an actual romantic interest. 2

something
10-12-2009, 10:58 PM
I think it's impossible because of light novel rule number #1: alternate girl has no chance against the girl whose name is in the title. Anything is possible, but... Of course, in this case, Railgun is in the title so maybe she does have a chance. It's the hope that Mikoto can end up happy that keeps me watching it.But that presumes that the girl in question even does a damn thing, which Index...hasn't. Also, I just find her really hard to buy as an actual romantic interest.
Touma is obviously meant to be with Stiyl anyway, duh.

Fudce
10-12-2009, 11:10 PM
I think it's impossible because of light novel rule number #1: alternate girl has no chance against the girl whose name is in the title. Anything is possible, but... Of course, in this case, Railgun is in the title so maybe she does have a chance. It's the hope that Mikoto can end up happy that keeps me watching it.But that presumes that the girl in question even does a damn thing, which Index...hasn't. Also, I just find her really hard to buy as an actual romantic interest.
Touma is obviously meant to be with Stiyl anyway, duh.

Well you might suggest that the main character of To Aru Majutsu no Index would be a good match for that other character from that same series, but do you really understand the implications of pairing Stiyl with Touma? And if you do, what would become of all of the other possibilities involving the person with the powerful right arm and the zero score in all of his psychic power rating tests. What would become of the story of To Aru Majutsu no Index if Stiyl was to fall in love with Touma, and would we even get any action with Stiyl Magnus appearing frequently and whenever he appears rather than fighting or doing something heroic he instead fills us in on what could be happenening, what is happening, what has happened, and what might happen in the future, in a five minute long exposé revealing the innermost secrets of both himself and the people in other shows who share a similar power to that he posesses, and when I talk of a similar power, I am not talking of his magical power to control the flames but instead his rather strange power to command huge walls of text.

Suwako Moriya
10-12-2009, 11:13 PM
Touma is obviously meant to be with Stiyl anyway, duh.

Good idea, I'd rather have Index end up with Aisa instead. Although I have no idea why. Still I get the feeling Stiyl's significant other will end up passing away while he gives his his proposal speech.

As for Mikoto, she has her own harem. She doesn't need Touma. She just needs to accept her harem and have fun with it.

pi8you
10-12-2009, 11:13 PM
Well you might suggest that the main character of To Aru Majutsu no Index would be a good match for that other character from that same series, but do you really understand the implications of pairing Stiyl with Touma? And if you do, what would become of all of the other possibilities involving the person with the powerful right arm and the zero score in all of his psychic power rating tests. What would become of the story of To Aru Majutsu no Index if Stiyl was to fall in love with Touma, and would we even get any action with Stiyl Magnus appearing frequently and whenever he appears rather than fighting or doing something heroic he instead fills us in on what could be happenening, what is happening, what has happened, and what might happen in the future, in a five minute long exposé revealing the innermost secrets of both himself and the people in other shows who share a similar power to that he posesses, and when I talk of a similar power, I am not talking of his magical power to control the flames but instead his rather strange power to command huge walls of text.
Good Lord, its a Stiyl-ish Wall of Text.

Draneor
10-12-2009, 11:14 PM
Touma is obviously meant to be with Stiyl anyway, duh.

That would make a terrible doujin.

Draneor
10-12-2009, 11:15 PM
You're right. I actually meant action.

Well, I agree this needs more railgun. But at the same time, I would enjoy seeing Mikoto fry Kuroko any day of the week. Basically, I like comedy too, and this is technical a side story.

I am also somewhat curious (but don't tell me) about the relative timeline. I'm pretty sure we are still pre-INDEX right now

Did Touma meet Mikoto before Index? For some reason, I got the impression it was around the same time. And the one scene in this episode with him in it sort of implies they at least knew each other.

Suwako Moriya
10-12-2009, 11:20 PM
But that presumes that the girl in question even does a damn thing, which Index...hasn't.

Are you implying that biting doesn't count?

TheGreenMan
10-13-2009, 06:41 AM
*Crrraccck*


Who else felt their stomach drop when they saw that scene? The dorm mother is absolutely fucking SCARY.

Draneor
10-13-2009, 07:30 AM
The dorm mother is absolutely fucking SCARY.

But she absolutely sucks at punishing Kuroko. Generally speaking, it's not punishment if the person enjoys it.

TheGreenMan
10-13-2009, 09:09 AM
The dorm mother is absolutely fucking SCARY.

But she absolutely sucks at punishing Kuroko. Generally speaking, it's not punishment if the person enjoys it.

It took me by surprise when I saw it. I was like "holy shit, did she just break Kuroko's neck and toss her aside?"

It happened so quick, what did happen?

Suwako Moriya
10-13-2009, 10:25 AM
It took me by surprise when I saw it. I was like "holy shit, did she just break Kuroko's neck and toss her aside?"

It happened so quick, what did happen?

Clearly what happened is that the show is essentially hinting at future development. That when the great evil appears, only the dorm mother will be powerful enough to defeat it. Or I could be making stuff up.

something
10-13-2009, 10:46 AM
Touma is obviously meant to be with Stiyl anyway, duh.That would make a terrible doujin.
There would be so much text on each page and so little room left over for visuals that you could trick people into thinking it's a light novel.

Fencedude
10-13-2009, 12:41 PM
Did Touma meet Mikoto before Index? For some reason, I got the impression it was around the same time. And the one scene in this episode with him in it sort of implies they at least knew each other.

INDEX opens with him "saving" the punks from Mikoto, so he knew who she was, and they seemed familiar with each other.

Fudce
10-16-2009, 09:32 PM
So, there is an invisible attacker on the loose shocking girls and doing terrible things to them? This is a recipe for awesome that can't be refused.

One thing leads to another, and after getting wet, Ruiko is changed into Mikoto's spare uniform. She looks cute but strange.

Later on, while Kazari and Kuroko are called away to investigate the attacks, Ruiko is attacked and found by Mikoto. When she's taken to the rest of the group to investigate her story, they find that she has in fact been attacked by an invisble Jigglypuff with a stun gun. (She's had thick Mugi-chan eyebrows drawn on her face) - I should add that Mitsuko (the awesome fan oujo-sama from episode one) has also been attecked earlier in the episode.

More events, and while the Jigglypuff girl tries to escape she is cornered thanks to epic computer skills from Kazari, and tireless works of Kuroko and Ruiko. She's cornered in a park, and trying to escape she tries to attack the one girl who stands in her way. Bad mistake.

Thundershock is ineffective againt Pikachu, and the girl is shocked in more ways than one when she finds out her attack wasn't effective.

It turns out she got dumped because she has thick eyebrows, and wanted to share the grief with other beautiful girls. After she has a big reveal, Amu performs her "Open Heart" and the X is removed from the Jigglypuff, wait, I'm getting very confused now. Basicly I'm pretty sure that Ruika tells her that she's not ugly and they suit her, to which she is happy about (and maybe falls in love with Rui?)

That was fun. The story of the mischevious but beautiful Jigglypuff that got an X on her egg, and was saved by a Pikachu and Amulet Ruika.

angelx03
10-16-2009, 10:01 PM
For some odd reason, I want to call Kazari the "Chloe" of the Judgment group.

Fudce
10-16-2009, 10:10 PM
For some odd reason, I want to call Kazari the "Chloe" of the Judgment group.

Does she like tea parties in the moonlight and attacks people with forks while wearing a burlap sack?

angelx03
10-16-2009, 10:21 PM
For some odd reason, I want to call Kazari the "Chloe" of the Judgment group.

Does she like tea parties in the moonlight and attacks people with forks while wearing a burlap sack?

I don't think that's the "Chloe" I'm referring to :sweat:

Fencedude
10-16-2009, 10:32 PM
Man, Railgun episodes always go by so fast.

THICK EYEBROWS ARE A MOE CHARACTERISTIC!'

Oh yeah, and I think there was the first vague hints of an overarching plot revealed at the end.

Sly05
10-16-2009, 11:19 PM
Poor Saten, not only does she fall in a puddle, but she gets Mugi eyebrows as well. Level 0's don't have any luck. At least she was spared the full uni-brow. It would be hard to pass that off as a charm point.

Another fun, if silly, episode. I enjoyed seeing JCstaff having fun with the material (I don't recall the story from the manga, anyway). The four leads continue to be fantastic, especially Saten who gets more time to shine in this episode.

Mateo_home
10-17-2009, 09:06 PM
I love the direction this show is going. The four leads do something fun followed by a mini adventure. I did find this episode better than the previous one. I also felt sorry for Ruiko that she had to play the culprit of being given thick eyebrows. Guess Mitsuko wasn't enough. Though it was funny at the end where she found out she had to have them for another week. But for a level 0, at she does her part. And of course Mikoto was awesome for that brief moment.

Though I find Mikoto more suited to Electabuzz (Elekid can't breed and Electivire is too bulky). Making Kuroko Abra. An Abra that's packing knives/nails/darts/drill bits, whatever those things are Kuroko throws. On the subject is Shaymin by default (it's the flowers) and Ruiko. I dunno. I guess I'll go with Amu as well.:sweat:

something
10-18-2009, 07:02 PM
Episode 3:

- Eh? I wonder if we're supposed to know who that was who zapped Mitsuko. We see a good bt of the face but...?
- Schoolgirls everywhere! Kazari's paradise!
- And they manage a shower scene (well sort of) three eps in a row! This better become a weekly thing. Kazari is totally jealous of the uniform too...
- Ah there's bad girl.
- How dare you hurt Ruiko? Thought maybe she did something to the eyes, but looking at Mitsuko it must be the forehead.
- Hahah, eyebrows. :sd: She's just a big Kotobuki Tsumugi fan, that's all!
- Hacking time! Go Kazari!
- Nice kick, Kuroko =D
- Wait... Tamura Yukari? Awesome!
- Hahaha, yeah, good luck trying to biribiri Biribiri.
- Yes, see? They can be a charm point! And bwhahaha, Ruiko just got herself an admirer.
- See? See? All she needed was to discover yuri!

And then they get to the whole point, apparently, which is don't trust the database!

Very amusing episode.

Draneor
10-18-2009, 09:34 PM
That was a really dumb crime.

Oh yeah, and I think there was the first vague hints of an overarching plot revealed at the end.

Plot? Never!

HitokiriShadow
10-18-2009, 10:10 PM
Ha, that was an odd little case. Invisible girl attacks girls.... and draws big marker eyebrows on them.

After a fairly small amount of screentime last episode, Saten gets to be pretty cool again this episode. Between her swearing revenge on the girl, helping take her down (especially her roundhouse kick when she first started to run), and her little chat with her, she had some nice scenes.

Also, I loved the part with Uiharu happily humming as she did her stuff with computers.

Fencedude
10-18-2009, 10:28 PM
That was a really dumb crime.



With mediocre powers comes the ability to pull dumb pranks?

Draneor
10-18-2009, 10:34 PM
With mediocre powers comes the ability to pull dumb pranks?

It's not actually a bad power, under the right conditions. Like a city that doesn't have CCTVs all over the place.

Suwako Moriya
10-20-2009, 10:58 AM
That was fun. The story of the mischevious but beautiful Jigglypuff that got an X on her egg, and was saved by a Pikachu and Amulet Ruika.

Well, I guess that's one way to explain the episode. Although I like the fact this Pikachu has a vocabulary.

Suwako Moriya
10-20-2009, 11:06 AM
THICK EYEBROWS ARE A MOE CHARACTERISTIC!'

Heck, they're even capable of getting you discounts.

Oh yeah, and I think there was the first vague hints of an overarching plot revealed at the end.

But, hopefully the plot can wait till later so we can spend more time getting to know the girls before drama takes over and makes it impossible. We especially need to get to know Saten more.

russ869
10-20-2009, 11:37 AM
Heh... and I thought Index was bordering on being too oversaturated in moe undertones. And least with that show we always had Touma there to make some sarcastic remark or beat super-magical powerhouse to a pulp with his bare fists. Railgun seems like it's surviving on nothing but "moe moe." Which really makes it no different than any other anime. That's not to say that I don't like it. But I think that if I tried to get into this franchise by watching Railgun first, I wouldn't have been nearly as impressed as I was with the beginning of Index.

something
10-20-2009, 11:44 AM
And least with that show we always had Touma there to make some sarcastic remark or beat super-magical powerhouse to a pulp with his bare fists.
And this is why Railgun absolutely blows it away after just three episodes!

Btw, remember the subject lines please.

Draneor
10-20-2009, 12:24 PM
Railgun seems like it's surviving on nothing but "moe moe." Which really makes it no different than any other anime.

This is because the intended audience largely wants this. And what makes it different is the characters and the setting.

And this is why Railgun absolutely blows it away after just three episodes!

Three was kind of silly, to be honest. Well, Index had far more silly scenes so I can't fault it.

Fudce
10-23-2009, 04:11 PM
I really need to watch this one subbed before I comment more about it, but that sure was interesting.

There's a hot but absentminded woman wandering around and is all to happy to remove pieces of clothing in public. There's a level 0 loser wandering around picking fights with our favourite level 5 biribiri (yeah, him again), and and there appears to be some sort of scary story that Ruika's been telling everybody.

Despite the appearance of Touma, it was a thoroughly enjoyable episode. Even though we did have enough of him in Index, it really hits home just how well he plays off of Mikoto for some killer comedy moments. And one moment in particular stood out not for comedy reasons but for just how much cuter than normal Mikoto was in that brief second - yeah, she's already cute but add in this moment and it was scary how cute she became.

This does appear to be a much deeper story though, so I'll need to watch the subtitles to know more.

Westlo
10-23-2009, 04:58 PM
Seems this is 24 episodes, which was kinda obvious with the prior 2 episodes.

Despite the appearance of Touma, it was a thoroughly enjoyable episode. Even though we did have enough of him in Index, it really hits home just how well he plays off of Mikoto for some killer comedy moments. And one moment in particular stood out not for comedy reasons but for just how much cuter than normal Mikoto was in that brief second - yeah, she's already cute but add in this moment and it was scary how cute she became.

Which is exactly why I want more Touma in the show... his dynamic with Mikoto is great and besides this isn't his series and it's based off a manga.. so no fucking 5 hour speeches from Touma.

Mikoto making a sword out of iron fragments from the ground was pretty cool, also it's good to see some action again, thanks Touma!

Fudce
10-23-2009, 06:33 PM
Seems this is 24 episodes, which was kinda obvious with the prior 2 episodes.

Despite the appearance of Touma, it was a thoroughly enjoyable episode. Even though we did have enough of him in Index, it really hits home just how well he plays off of Mikoto for some killer comedy moments. And one moment in particular stood out not for comedy reasons but for just how much cuter than normal Mikoto was in that brief second - yeah, she's already cute but add in this moment and it was scary how cute she became.

Which is exactly why I want more Touma in the show... his dynamic with Mikoto is great and besides this isn't his series and it's based off a manga.. so no fucking 5 hour speeches from Touma.

Mikoto making a sword out of iron fragments from the ground was pretty cool, also it's good to see some action again, thanks Touma!

To be fair to Touma, he was never one to give 5 hour speeches - that was more Stiyl's trick. I hope they don't turn it into another Touma-show though, it's Railgun's anime, not his.

Westlo
10-23-2009, 08:19 PM
To be fair to Touma, he was never one to give 5 hour speeches - that was more Stiyl's trick. I hope they don't turn it into another Touma-show though, it's Railgun's anime, not his.

Don't worry this is definitely Mikoto's show though obviously Touma will be showing up now and than but he won't dominate it. Mikoto is the protagonist of Railgun just like Touma was of Index.

angelx03
10-23-2009, 10:27 PM
Hmmm, I've noticed that in this series so far, every episode has a female changing their clothes in the bathroom or in a state of undress.

pi8you
10-23-2009, 11:00 PM
Mikoto making a sword out of iron fragments from the ground was pretty cool, also it's good to see some action again, thanks Touma!
Hooray for expanding the capabilities of her powers! Very nicely done.

That was a really good way to introduce Touma to the series, wonder what sort of shenanigans he's going to get up to when he meets the other girls (and what sorts of theories they'll draw about him and Mikoto, Kuroko's in particular).

Fencedude
10-23-2009, 11:06 PM
lol Touma.

I think I need to rewatch the last arc of INDEX, I think a lot of the stuff talked about there will be relevant here.

Mikoto's adorable when flustered.

Sly05
10-23-2009, 11:34 PM
Saten continues to be awesome with her egging Kuroko on about the undressing woman urban legend. It doesn't take much egging on for Kuroko to lose it.

The fight between Biri Biri and Touma was spectacular and Mikoto making a sword out of iron sand is really ingenious way to use her powers. The two really play off each other well (much better than Touma and Index). Touma badly pretending to lose at the end was pretty funny.

stfram
10-24-2009, 02:32 AM
Mikoto's adorable when flustered.

Bigtime.

"Tsun...Tsun...Tsundara?"

ZZAP!

Fencedude
10-24-2009, 02:54 AM
Mikoto's adorable when flustered.

Bigtime.

"Tsun...Tsun...Tsundara?"

ZZAP!

I liked the one in front of Touma where she went "Tsun...tsun...tsun..." *massive blush and steam explosion*

pi8you
10-24-2009, 10:06 AM
Mikoto's adorable when flustered.

Bigtime.

"Tsun...Tsun...Tsundara?"

ZZAP!

I liked the one in front of Touma where she went "Tsun...tsun...tsun..." *massive blush and steam explosion*
Seconded, that scene was just too good

Suwako Moriya
10-24-2009, 06:40 PM
I don't think that story counts as scary per se.

Someone that can cancel abilities? I have absolutely no idea who this is a reference to. I'm also lying through my teeth.

The plans of Touma can't survive someone like Mikoto.

Ah, it looks like Touma does have an Esper power. It's a level 7 power to dig his own grave by running his mouth.

Undressing woman causes trouble for both Touma and Mikoto.

The conversation that Mikoto and the Researcher are having reminds me of someone.

Saten, I'd like the undressing woman better if the one undressing was one or better yet all of the core four. Or maybe, no wait, she's not in this series.

I love the way Kuroko reacts once she learns about the infectious part of the legend.

Why do I get the feeling the Researcher will play a major role later. She just seems to be the type.

Mikoto vs Touma time. Well, the idea of creating a sword was kind of neat. Also, her plan of distraction might have worked better against a different person.

Ok, now Touma is just being silly.

You know the fact that Mikoto got scared once she realized her powers were useless makes me wonder one thing. Just how many of these Espers are actually trained to deal with situations where they can't rely on their singular skill?


It's kind of interesting how when she's fighting Touma, Mikoto seems more like a villain. All right then, maybe "villain" is too strong a term, but I'm not sure what else to use.

Kuroko has a solution for dealing with the curse of the undressing woman. It's time for panties that are still warm.

Yeah, I'm sure we'll be seeing more of the researcher later.


Kuroko has been tied up. That's one way to conclude the episode.

stfram
10-24-2009, 10:19 PM
You know the fact that Mikoto got scared once she realized her powers were useless makes me wonder one thing. Just how many of these Espers are actually trained to deal with situations where they can't rely on their singular skill?


Touma should be glad Espers don't get standardized small arms and hand-to-hand training.

The scary dorm lady could teach that class. :devil:


Kuroko has been tied up. That's one way to conclude the episode.

Tied up by her true love...but not molested. That's gotta be sheer torture for her.

Shiroi Hane
10-25-2009, 08:25 AM
Is stripper lady the scientist who helped Accelerator with Last Order at the end of Index?

Ingraman
10-25-2009, 01:44 PM
Yeah, I'm sure we'll be seeing more of the researcher later.

Her appearance in the opening would make anyone think that (even if it happened to be misdirection).

Draneor
10-25-2009, 08:50 PM
Mikoto reads Dengeki Daoh or the manga just happens to run in that magazine.^^

Tomou. If you hit her, you're a fucking bastard. Well, either way, you're screwed.

Mateo_home
10-25-2009, 10:31 PM
Tomou. If you hit her, you're a fucking bastard. Well, either way, you're screwed.

That's the problem fighting a pretty girl such as Mikoto (or just being Touma). If you lose you get a Thunderbolt for not being serious. But if you win chances are a bypasser will think a girl is in danger.

HitokiriShadow
10-25-2009, 11:08 PM
Windmills going backwards and AIM dispersion fields? Those sound familiar....

Speaking of familiar, a very familiar face gets a decent chunk of screentime this episode. We finally get to see Touma and Mikoto's first meeting which was rather amusing, though their present rivalry (well, its a rivalry for Mikoto; its just an annoyance of Touma) is an even better source of amusement. I'd prefer Touma have little involvement in the plot, but an appearance here and there is fine, and this was a good use of him.

We also get to meet the scientist lady from the OP. I had assumed she would be the one to start a certain project, but based on her field of expertise, it looks like she will probably be involved with something else instead. Which makes sense given certain things that appear in the OP and others that don't.

Mikoto and Touma's fight at the end was pretty good. I loved seeing Mikoto use her ability in a way other than just launching lightning bolts at people or firing coins at Mach 5.

Saten, Uiharu and Kuroko continue to be comedy gold in basically every scene they are in.

HitokiriShadow
10-25-2009, 11:14 PM
Is stripper lady the scientist who helped Accelerator with Last Order at the end of Index?

No, the scientist in this episode is a new character.

Fencedude
10-25-2009, 11:17 PM
We also get to meet the scientist lady from the OP. I had assumed she would be the one to start a certain project, but based on her field of expertise, it looks like she might be involved with something else instead. Which makes sense given certain things that appear in the OP and others that don't.


I'm curious as to whether the project is ongoing at this point. There haven't been any references to it, but we don't really have a good timeframe for when this is with respect to INDEX. Not to mention that as awesome as Accelerator is, it would take quite some time to kill 10,000 MISAKA Imoutos

Saten, Uiharu and Kuroko continue to be comedy gold in basically every scene they are in.

Saten's figured out exactly what will get Kuroko going.

HitokiriShadow
10-25-2009, 11:34 PM
We also get to meet the scientist lady from the OP. I had assumed she would be the one to start a certain project, but based on her field of expertise, it looks like she might be involved with something else instead. Which makes sense given certain things that appear in the OP and others that don't.


I'm curious as to whether the project is ongoing at this point. There haven't been any references to it, but we don't really have a good timeframe for when this is with respect to INDEX. Not to mention that as awesome as Accelerator is, it would take quite some time to kill 10,000 MISAKA Imoutos

I'm assuming it hasn't started yet and this series will show its beginning. It's possible they've just chosen not to show certain other characters yet, though it seemed like Mikoto met with them frequently once the project started, so I'm assuming we would have seen them already if the project started or at least that they would show up in the OP somewhere. But the OP doesn't show anyone related to that project aside from Mikoto herself, so I'm not expecting any of them to show up until near the end of this cour at the earliest.

Even if the stripper scientist doesn't have anything to do with that project (and its looking like she won't), I'm thinking Mikoto's involvement with this AIM dispersion project will likely lead to the beginnings of that other project.

Draneor
10-25-2009, 11:37 PM
I'm assuming it hasn't started yet and this series will show its beginning.

I recall it was a long running project, but perhaps the testing itself hasn't started yet. The preparation for it must have taken years though.

HitokiriShadow
10-25-2009, 11:45 PM
I'm assuming it hasn't started yet and this series will show its beginning.

I recall it was a long running project, but perhaps the testing itself hasn't started yet. The preparation for it must have taken years though.

Hmmmm, that's probably true. Actually, come to think of it.... I might need to check some scenes from Index. Now that you mention it, I think when they were talking about the project they may have shown Mikoto as a little girl with a bunch of scientists. In which case it would have been going on for close to a decade at this point.

Westlo
10-26-2009, 02:18 AM
I'm assuming it hasn't started yet and this series will show its beginning.

I recall it was a long running project, but perhaps the testing itself hasn't started yet. The preparation for it must have taken years though.

Hmmmm, that's probably true. Actually, come to think of it.... I might need to check some scenes from Index. Now that you mention it, I think when they were talking about the project they may have shown Mikoto as a little girl with a bunch of scientists. In which case it would have been going on for close to a decade at this point.

Yeah Mikoto was a little girl in one of the flashbacks, so Accelerator is more than likely grinding Misaka's to reach level 6 right now. Accelerator's playing an MMO!

Sly05
10-26-2009, 07:17 AM
You'd think she'd be less upbeat here if she knew that was going on given her attitude towards the project in Index. Knowing that thousands of your "sisters" are getting murdered would be emotionally draining to say the least.

That said, its probably best not to try and think through the series too much and just have fun with it.

Westlo
10-26-2009, 07:29 AM
You'd think she'd be less upbeat here if she knew that was going on given her attitude towards the project in Index. Knowing that thousands of your "sisters" are getting murdered would be emotionally draining to say the least.

That said, its probably best not to try and think through the series too much and just have fun with it.

They've been in yuri fanservice mode for most of the series, maybe she'll be less upbeat when it hits the plot/action arcs.

Fencedude
10-26-2009, 07:32 AM
You'd think she'd be less upbeat here if she knew that was going on given her attitude towards the project in Index. Knowing that thousands of your "sisters" are getting murdered would be emotionally draining to say the least.

That said, its probably best not to try and think through the series too much and just have fun with it.

They've been in yuri fanservice mode for most of the series, maybe she'll be less upbeat when it hits the plot/action arcs.

I have a feeling Mikoto spends a lot of time trying to not think about it.

Also notice how she pretty much flips her shit as soon as she realizes someone is affected by her power. Thats not good news, considering.

Fudce
10-30-2009, 05:06 PM
Some nice backstory this week looking at why Kazari and Kuroko decided to join Judgement, and how Mikoto was still awesome back then even if Kuroko didn't realise it. There's also lots of Kana Ueda goodness in the form of Mii, who seems to have known the pair even back then.

Young Kuroko was very cute, but she looked strange with regular twintails and not hair-tentacles. Young Kazari was even cuter, and had much less flowers on her head back then too. She did however wear a really cute dress with flowers on. The main downside to the episode was that we didn't get to see a young Ruiko, but I think if that saw the world would die of awesome.

Oh, and I now demand some sort of doujin with Kuroko attacking Mikoto with hair tentacles.

Fencedude
10-30-2009, 11:43 PM
That was just terribly cute. It was nice to get some development for Kuroko that didn't focus on ONEE-SAMA ONEE-SAMA ONEE-SAMA, and Uiharu giving her a piece of her mind was great.

But...uhh...considering that those events happened like, not even two years before the current time period, Uiharu and Kuroko sure grew a lot.

Also Konomi (I think that was her name) is hot.

And its so typical of Mikoto not to bother mentioning that she's the one who saved Kuroko's butt.

Draneor
10-30-2009, 11:51 PM
And its so typical of Mikoto not to bother mentioning that she's the one who saved Kuroko's butt.

I half way expected that to end up being why Kuroko ended up obsessed with Mikoto. But I guess something else caused Kuroko to change her mind.

something
10-31-2009, 02:22 AM
Episode 4:

- That's an interesting time and place to tell scary stories...
- Ugh, Touma on the sponsor screen, don't put me in a bad mood before the episode even truly starts.
- Those "urban legends" sound a bit familiar, huh?
- SHANA!
- ...Plan foiled. And jeeze, you can just tell he was already in BLAHBLAHBLAHRANTRANTRANT mode.
- Why is he still on screen? I think my episode is broken. Can I get an exchange?
- lol, the stripper.
- Oh now I know why she looks familiar. She's the irritated looking scientist from the OP.
- Ahaha, and off goes the skirt. I like her. It's hard not to like a Tanaka Atsuko character though.
- Ruiko and Kazari are brilliant. But their approach is a little too effective on Kuroko. XD
- Tsun... Tsun...
- Again? Jeeeeeeeeze. At least we get to see some cool powers from Mikoto.
- Haha what the fuck Kuroko?

Exponentially too much Touma. I'd always found their interaction to be quite good in Index, but that was mostly because it was an excuse to get Mikoto on screen. After all, it wasn't her show, so she'd naturallyhave little to no screentime that didn't involve him. Now that the situation is completely reversed, and he has no reason to be on screen unless it involves her, my feelings haven't reversed with the situation. Because I've already got plenty of Mikoto as the default, and thus Touma serves me absolutely no purpose at all.

something
10-31-2009, 03:06 AM
Episode 5:

- Kazari with less flowers! and failing at push-ups. Seeing how she meets Kuroko should be quite fun.
- Huh, they're a good bit younger. Kuroko is utterly adorable.
- This is definitely one of my top OPs of the season, but interestingly no OP/EDs songs from Fall have jumped out at me saying "buy me, buy me!" I imported five from Summer (Haruhi OP, Haruhi ED, Bakemono ED, S&WII OP, S&W II ED), more if you count the OP CDs that'll come with the Bakemono BDs (though I only would have bought Staple Stable separately). I guess I'll get away with no CD purchases for fall, at least in the first cour before songs change, I suppose.
- "We have to wait until backup arrives!" ...because Kuroko, level 4, master teleporter, can't handle a hoodlum breaking into a car, right? Well, "right", in this case, because there would be no storytelling reason for Kazari to caution her first otherwise. :sd:
- Also, fucker tasered Kazari. HE MUST DIE HORRIBLY.
- Oh shit, Kuroko flipped Kazari's switch. XD
- Just stay under her skirt, Ruiko. It's a good place for you. I approve of it.
- Oh god, mini-Kazari is far too cute. And once again, I adore mini-Kuroko. And her cute striped thighhighs.
- Haha, Kazari was obsessed with the rich girl schools even then.
- Damn that was awesome. Three precise strikes and down he goes. Though this is a moral-teaching flashback so it'll go terribly wrong.
- Oh man, gone wrong indeed. Fantastic sequence of events. Just seeing the guy step on her ankle and hand made me cringe.
- And there we go, I was wondering where teleportation would come in.
- Gaaaaaaaaah, I love Kuroko more every episode. Absolutely my favorite Railgun character, and therefore my favorite To Aru character. Even when she messes up, she makes it awesome~! With a nice save by Mikoto thrown in there.
- Hah, the only way this episode could be better is if

I think this was my favorite episode so far. Kuroko is definitely and utterly stealing Railgun for me. Brilliant character. Not even Mikoto measures up to her for me anymore.

pi8you
10-31-2009, 04:29 PM
- Hah, the only way this episode could be better is if
Oh sure, leave us hanging.

Great episode, Kuroko's takedown of the first robber was probably the highlight of the episode for me, though after her light-fingered ways with Mikoto a few weeks ago I was expecting to see her teleport-ninja the gun away.

something
10-31-2009, 05:07 PM
- Hah, the only way this episode could be better is ifOh sure, leave us hanging.
::looks:: Haha, oops. I don't remember what I was planning to say. :sd:

Shiroi Hane
10-31-2009, 05:07 PM
And its so typical of Mikoto not to bother mentioning that she's the one who saved Kuroko's butt.

I half way expected that to end up being why Kuroko ended up obsessed with Mikoto. But I guess something else caused Kuroko to change her mind.
I assumed she recognised the power when she met her later.

Fudce
10-31-2009, 05:11 PM
- Hah, the only way this episode could be better is ifOh sure, leave us hanging.
::looks:: Haha, oops. I don't remember what I was planning to say. :sd:

"the only way this episode could be better is if..."

...Kuroko escaped and used the ropes on Mikoto?

...we had seen more of mini-Kazari?

...we got to see mini-Ruiko?

...it never ended?

something
10-31-2009, 05:19 PM
...it never ended?
Probably something like that. I was thinking last night how despite liking Index (character), my favorite thing about Index (show) was Railgun. And now, despite liking Railgun (character) herself, my favorite thing about Railgun (show) is Teleporter.

Thus the only thing that could make it better is if we get a spinoff of the spinoff and Kuroko is the main character!

stfram
11-01-2009, 03:32 AM
Thus the only thing that could make it better is if we get a spinoff of the spinoff and Kuroko is the main character!

I could very easily see that happening.

And it would have my full approval.

Sly05
11-01-2009, 08:59 AM
Both Kazari and Kuroko were cute (and tiny) elementary students. Kuroko was also pretty badass to be able to take down adult men unarmed without relying on her powers, even if she was relying on the element of surprise. The scenes with her getting beaten up made me wince, as it was pretty brutal against a little kid.

Mikoto quitly helping out and not taking any credit for it was really cool and totally like her. Given her personality, it wouldn't surprise me if she didn't even remember the incident.

A loli Saten would have made the episode perfect, but alas we'll have to do without.

Suwako Moriya
11-01-2009, 09:39 AM
Probably something like that. I was thinking last night how despite liking Index (character), my favorite thing about Index (show) was Railgun. And now, despite liking Railgun (character) herself, my favorite thing about Railgun (show) is Teleporter.

I'm sensing a potential pattern developing here. I could be wrong though, but that brings me to the next point.

Thus the only thing that could make it better is if we get a spinoff of the spinoff and Kuroko is the main character!

Which begs the question? What can character will end up overshadowing her?

Mateo_home
11-01-2009, 11:17 AM
I have to say, Kuroko is much more likable when it comes to taking on bad guys that may seem too strong for her. And when she's not obsessing over Mikoto. Not that I disapprove, but she over does it. It's also a shame she can't use her teleportation to shift her vocal cords around.

Passable, and I liked the cheesy ending.

HitokiriShadow
11-05-2009, 12:11 AM
The younger version of Kuroko was cute and Uiharu was adorable.

It was nice to see how they met and Kuroko had some pretty cute moments. And it was pretty awesome to see cute little gradeschooler Kuroko kicking those guys' asses.

stfram
11-06-2009, 12:45 PM
Thus the only thing that could make it better is if we get a spinoff of the spinoff and Kuroko is the main character!

Which begs the question? What can character will end up overshadowing her?

Touma. :P

angelx03
11-06-2009, 07:06 PM
Mikoto is working with Judgment temporarily due to a combination of a misunderstanding and a spat she had with Kuroko.

This also introduced a multi-part arc because this episode ended at one hell of a cliffhanger! :knowitall:

Suwako Moriya
11-07-2009, 03:24 AM
A pretty decent episode that seemed to be ten times more serious than the previous four episodes combined.

pi8you
11-07-2009, 10:02 AM
This also introduced a multi-part arc because this episode ended at one hell of a cliffhanger! :knowitall:
Yay for randomly used post-credit sequence :( Judging from the preview though, looks like we've already met our villain of the piece.

Fencedude
11-07-2009, 04:24 PM
Not nearly enough Saten!

Good episode though, Mikoto really is a good girl, isn't she?

And nice cliffhanger, of sorts, though even without the preview I'd figured out the culprit.

something
11-08-2009, 06:10 AM
Episode 6:

- Imploding teddybears.
- "And I doubt there's any problem with the databank..." Oh ho ho, we shall see.
- Yes, yes Kuroko you are the best. Hah, she reads Mikoto like a book. Listen to Kuroko, Mikoto. She knows what's best! Especially about the panties! I like that, as much as Kuroko is prone to go into ONEE-SAMA ONEE-SAMA ONEE-AMA mode, she's also good at handling Mikoto on a pretty even footing.
- Kazari's parfait. ;_; And as soon as Kuroko showed up I knew the Judgement armband was going to get left behind... oh Mikoto, what ae you going to do with that? :sd:
- This will be awesome. How badly will you screw this up, Mikoto? Maybe you'll learn how grand a person the great Shirai-sama really is! =D
- Oh Mikoto, you're so cute when you're getting serious over silly things. <3
- Blushing Mikoto! Flustered Mikoto! Lovely Mikoto!
- Things with too many legs, things with no legs. Mikoto hates them all!
- Ruiko!! She's having such fun teasing Kazari.
- Heh! Mikoto went the whole time thinking there was a bomb in the bag. :sd: Fun action bit as she chases the bag down.
- And then she gets found out. =D

AHAHAHAH! The ending was absolutely perfect. Kuroko with her hair down. In a towel. Ripping said towel off. ONEE-SAMA! ONEE-SAMA! ONEE-SAMA!

Oh how I adore this show.

Post-ED:
- Boom! I pretty much figured headphones guy would be the culprit.

Draneor
11-08-2009, 08:45 PM
Not nearly enough Saten!

Agreed, but she was clearly awesome for the brief scene she was in. Because of her, we found out the flowers don't grow.

Listen to Kuroko, Mikoto. She knows what's best! Especially about the panties!

I have never hated Kuroko more than when she gave that advice. Don't take away Mikoto's moe point.

HitokiriShadow
11-08-2009, 10:41 PM
Mikoto gets to be the focal character again this episode and she learns about the more mundane aspects of being a Judgment member. Hilarity ensues.

I especially liked her interrupting the couple in the alley, recognizing her faults, and using her ability to give herself a massive speed boost to get to the fountain. It was a very nice episode all around.

We also get a bit more plot, as the database issue comes up again and the aluminum bomber issue continues to the next epsiode, and the situation begins to escalate after the ED.

I didn't watch the preview, but I think I have a pretty good idea of who's doing it.

Sly05
11-09-2009, 05:38 PM
I guess if your not Kuroko and eagerly jumping head first into action, the duties of Judgement members are rather mundane. That makes sense since they're all students.

Despite the minimal inclusion of A Certain Regular School Girl Saten, there was a lot to like about this episode. I really like how Mikoto is never stuck up about her abilities, even when doing menial jobs as she was here. Helping people is really second nature for her. The conclusion with exhibitionist Kuroko was completely hilarious.

Fencedude
11-09-2009, 05:43 PM
Despite the minimal inclusion of A Certain Regular School Girl Saten, there was a lot to like about this episode.

She may have had only one scene, but she was awesome in it. "When do her flowers start to sprout?"

Mateo_home
11-09-2009, 06:30 PM
Mikoto learns that being in Judgement isn't always stomping down bad guys. Though seeing her put up with it and setting up a plot point made this episode worth watching. Unfortunately I'm one of those people that didn't figure out who the culprit was until the preview. I wasn't thinking about it when he showed up.

Which reminds me. If you're a male that's not Touma, you might want to try being in a different anime because you're going to have bad luck. Well, even worse than his.

Fencedude
11-13-2009, 08:27 PM
Conclusion to the bomber case.

The day is saved by the RAILGUN, with an assist from a certain hand that shall remain nameless.

Kuroko was very cute this episode though. She's fantastic with her hair down.

Fudce
11-13-2009, 09:15 PM
Kuroko was very cute this episode though. She's fantastic with her hair down.

Whilst the hair-tentacles look does suit her, she's amazing with her hair down I agree, but Mikoto stole the episode, with both her action and her adorability. :)

Sly05
11-13-2009, 11:02 PM
I thought the pajamas were cute. It's too bad they were probably blown to smithereens in the explosion. Touma showing up when Mikoto was in the middle of stealth buying them was great. This episode demonstrates once again he works much better as a character when he's played for laughs as a foil to Mikoto.

Draneor
11-13-2009, 11:50 PM
Touma. You're shooting a little young, aren't you?

One thing that bothered me was I don't think Uiharu realized she may have hurt Saten by telling her to evacuate instead of asking her to help like Mikoto. It doesn't seem like Saten is the type to hold grudges, but I have a feeling her perceived uselessness will need to be resolved at some point.

pi8you
11-14-2009, 12:04 AM
One thing that bothered me was I don't think Uiharu realized she may have hurt Saten by telling her to evacuate instead of asking her to help like Mikoto. It doesn't seem like Saten is the type to hold grudges, but I have a feeling her perceived uselessness will need to be resolved at some point.
Given her earlier conversation with Mikoto that was entirely deliberate, and so I'm sure it'll come up again down the line.

I loved how Touma just showed up in the mirror, causing an instant freakout by Mikoto, very well done.

ilmaestro
11-14-2009, 03:03 AM
There were a lot of cute and cool moments in this ep, for me, but none of them involved Touma that's for sure. I haven't read or seen Index, so I didn't have any preconceptions about him, but I really haven't taken to him for some reason. Maybe he's just too nice and too cool about everything.

Stuff like Kuroko resting her head on Uiharu's towards the start of the ep, and Mikoto's face when she first sees the PJs, and then right after Saten and Uiharu run off to look at swimsuits, was just too cute. And Mikoto's face as she was railgunning the heck out of bomb kid was awesome. As was Kuroko standing where Touma had been and clearly realizing that she hadn't heard the full version of the story of how everyone was saved (which they slightly ruined by then having her actually spell this out in so many words, just in case you missed it).

Most lasting visual was certainly the little girl running towards Uiharu whilst holding the frog, though. Completely chilling.

Random observation, but did the kids who were bullying bomb kid not look like the kind of kids who would *get* bullied in other shows? Maybe they just don't have that traditional deliquent kid in such a high class city.

On that note, I was wondering how bomb kid went about his days in such a prestigious school without a single teacher or someone noticing that he looked like he was smacked off his face. I'm now upgrading that to "noticing that he actually is smacked off his face", since I guess from the conversation between Saten and Mikoto, and the title of the next ep, that the Level Upper is some sort of power-enhancing drug doing the rounds, or maybe being developed and tested on select individuals.

(argh, I hate typing a post and accidentally going back a page thanks to my dodgy mouse. Must be the third time that's happened to me in a short space of time)

something
11-14-2009, 04:36 AM
Episode 7:

- Hahah, oh Kuroko. I'm totally in love with the way she lights up every time Mikoto shows the slightest hint of affection. It makes her so genuinely happy <3
- Ruiko, just join Judgement! That way you can be with Kazari all the time!
- Now a Kuroko is growing out of Kazari's flower headband!
- "Level Upper" eh?
- Kuroko is so dedicated to her work. How admirable. <3
- Try them on Kazari! Do it!
- Hah! Mikoto's childish tastes are so cute.
- [insert pointless Touma scene]
- Take charge, Kazari!
- Yeah yeah we get it, magical hand, been there, done that, seen two cour, don't care.
- That's more like it! Fucking glorious railgun and then a punch right to the face! =D
- Bwhaha, the way Kuroko groans and moans when hugging Mikoto is fantastic.

So Touma N, Y, N, Y, N, N, Y so far. Next episode looks like it should be an N. So in the end about half the episodes will be perfect and the other half will be somewhat flawed. I have a feeling they'll be sticking him somewhere or other in every single multi-part story all series long. Meh. It's a shame, because this show could really be a smash hit favorite for me but every time I so much as see his face for 0.5 seconds it really kills any scene for me. I don't even hate the character or anything, but argh, it just feels so wrong and pulls me out of the show in the blink of an eye. Sort of to the point where I'm not sure if this one should really be a $550+ R2 import after all. Well, still plenty of time to decide before I need to cancel. I'm guessing Railgun is going to be giving up "best of the season" positions to Todoke on the Y weeks, then taking it back for the N weeks.

Westlo
11-14-2009, 05:52 AM
It's a shame, because this show could really be a smash hit favorite for me but every time I so much as see his face for 0.5 seconds it really kills any scene for me. I don't even hate the character or anything

Why lie to yourself? Touma's been in some of the funniest scenes in the series (and people who didn't want Touma to even show up period have enjoyed them) and has had none of the flaws of his Index counterpart and yet as soon as you see him he kills the scene? Really now...

Fencedude
11-14-2009, 05:55 AM
It's a shame, because this show could really be a smash hit favorite for me but every time I so much as see his face for 0.5 seconds it really kills any scene for me. I don't even hate the character or anything

Why lie to yourself? Touma's been in some of the funniest scenes in the series (and people who didn't want Touma to even show up period have enjoyed them) and has had none of the flaws of his Index counterpart and yet as soon as you see him he kills the scene? Really now...

I have to agree, I never really had a problem with Touma as a character, I just thought that he wasn't a particularly great main character.

He's fantastic as a foil for Mikoto, because he has the exact personality to completely driver her insane. Remember, this is the girl who is unphased by having to fend off the amorous advances of her roommate on a nightly basis, and eats your average street gang for breakfast, but Touma, TOUMA just drives her up the wall.

Mateo_home
11-14-2009, 08:06 AM
This episode demonstrates once again he works much better as a character when he's played for laughs as a foil to Mikoto.

I'll have to agree with you on that one. Touma makes a better supporting character than main character.

And Ruiko needs to find a rare candy if she wants to get involved in the action.

ilmaestro
11-14-2009, 12:02 PM
He's fantastic as a foil for Mikoto, because he has the exact personality to completely driver her insane. Remember, this is the girl who is unphased by having to fend off the amorous advances of her roommate on a nightly basis, and eats your average street gang for breakfast, but Touma, TOUMA just drives her up the wall.
Isn't this just pretty standard for scenes involving an immature (at heart) 14 year old girl and the guy who she likes but doesn't want to admit it to herself? I almost think it's too cliche, at least in concept. It's pretty well executed in terms of Mikoto's reactions, though.

Fudce
11-14-2009, 12:39 PM
I almost think it's too cliche.

Cliche? Sure.

But that doesn't make it unfunny. :)

Draneor
11-14-2009, 02:25 PM
I almost think it's too cliche, at least in concept

Everything is cliche to someone. It all comes down to whether or not you still enjoy it. Personally, I do. :)

Westlo
11-14-2009, 02:31 PM
He's fantastic as a foil for Mikoto, because he has the exact personality to completely driver her insane. Remember, this is the girl who is unphased by having to fend off the amorous advances of her roommate on a nightly basis, and eats your average street gang for breakfast, but Touma, TOUMA just drives her up the wall.
Isn't this just pretty standard for scenes involving an immature (at heart) 14 year old girl and the guy who she likes but doesn't want to admit it to herself? I almost think it's too cliche, at least in concept. It's pretty well executed in terms of Mikoto's reactions, though.

You know if you want to play the cliche game than the majority of railgun is cliche or does "cliche" only apply to things you don't like? For example if you liked Touma and Biri Biri than Kuroko is just the cliche lesbian friend with a one sided love but if you hate Touma and love Kuroko than it's Touma and Biri Biri with the cliche tsundere relationship.

something
11-14-2009, 02:33 PM
Why lie to yourself?
That makes no sense. I wish I could lie to myself - then I could pretend it doesn't bug me. Unfortunately I can't.

Shiroi Hane
11-14-2009, 04:22 PM
I guess from the conversation between Saten and Mikoto, and the title of the next ep, that the Level Upper is some sort of power-enhancing drug doing the rounds, or maybe being developed and tested on select individuals.
I thought it was something to do with the sound playing through his headphones.

ilmaestro
11-14-2009, 04:38 PM
I almost think it's too cliche.

Cliche? Sure.

But that doesn't make it unfunny. :)

I almost think it's too cliche, at least in concept

Everything is cliche to someone. It all comes down to whether or not you still enjoy it. Personally, I do. :)
Yes, I totally see where you're both coming from, not trying to say "I'm right and you're wrong", but for me this show wasn't set-up in a way that makes me enjoy these scenes compared to the other comedy situations.

He's fantastic as a foil for Mikoto, because he has the exact personality to completely driver her insane. Remember, this is the girl who is unphased by having to fend off the amorous advances of her roommate on a nightly basis, and eats your average street gang for breakfast, but Touma, TOUMA just drives her up the wall.
Isn't this just pretty standard for scenes involving an immature (at heart) 14 year old girl and the guy who she likes but doesn't want to admit it to herself? I almost think it's too cliche, at least in concept. It's pretty well executed in terms of Mikoto's reactions, though.

You know if you want to play the cliche game than the majority of railgun is cliche or does "cliche" only apply to things you don't like? For example if you liked Touma and Biri Biri than Kuroko is just the cliche lesbian friend with a one sided love but if you hate Touma and love Kuroko than it's Touma and Biri Biri with the cliche tsundere relationship.
Again, yes, probably true. But maybe it does just come down to what I'm personally enjoying in this series. For me, the other aspects which you could label as cliche are being done in such a way that makes them feel like the show's own, at least for now. The bits with Mikoto and Touma just feel like the cliche, without any "stamp" on them from this show in particular.

edit: yeah, I was really chuffed that the multiquote thing worked as I thought it would, but now this post looks really big, so someone tell me if I should cut it up into single posts.

something
11-14-2009, 04:56 PM
Again, yes, probably true. But maybe it does just come down to what I'm personally enjoying in this series. For me, the other aspects which you could label as cliche are being done in such a way that makes them feel like the show's own, at least for now. The bits with Mikoto and Touma just feel like the cliche, without any "stamp" on them from this show in particular.
I really liked these bits in Index, actually. I remember being totally in love with Mikoto's crazy blushing and loss of composure around Touma. For some reason, I do not have the same reaction to the same exact scenes in Railgun. At all. Presumably I liked them in Index because I knew it was some of the only screentime Mikoto would get. Now that's not the case, and they no longer serve their primary purpose for me - getting me more Mikoto. I also get the feeling from ep 7 that Touma is going to become more and more integrated into the plot and appear more and more often, not less. I was thinking, like, we'd see him walking by in a crowd from time to time. It's looking to be much more than that.

edit: yeah, I was really chuffed that the multiquote thing worked as I thought it would, but now this post looks really big, so someone tell me if I should cut it up into single posts.
Doesn't really matter as long as episode subthreads aren't getting mixed. They're all from ep 7, and on the same topic at that, so I don't think anyone minds. I don't anyway.

Draneor
11-14-2009, 06:58 PM
I also get the feeling from ep 7 that Touma is going to become more and more integrated into the plot and appear more and more often, not less. I was thinking, like, we'd see him walking by in a crowd from time to time. It's looking to be much more than that.

Well, we already know what will happen in the future (having watched Index). Personally, I think it would be interesting to see it from Mikoto's perspective. While what will occur may not change, how it was presented may (assuming Railgun gets that far).

Fudce
11-14-2009, 07:06 PM
I also get the feeling from ep 7 that Touma is going to become more and more integrated into the plot and appear more and more often, not less. I was thinking, like, we'd see him walking by in a crowd from time to time. It's looking to be much more than that.

Well, we already know what will happen in the future. Personally, I think it would be interesting to see it from Mikoto's perspective. While what will occur may not change, how it was presented may (assuming Railgun gets that far).

I don't, and don't want to know.

ilmaestro
11-14-2009, 07:52 PM
I also get the feeling from ep 7 that Touma is going to become more and more integrated into the plot and appear more and more often, not less. I was thinking, like, we'd see him walking by in a crowd from time to time. It's looking to be much more than that.

Well, we already know what will happen in the future. Personally, I think it would be interesting to see it from Mikoto's perspective. While what will occur may not change, how it was presented may (assuming Railgun gets that far).

I don't, and don't want to know.
Same for me. I'll probably watch or read Index once this is done, but for now this show is working for me, and I figure it should be able to stand on its own anyway.

HitokiriShadow
11-14-2009, 09:05 PM
Awwwww, poor Mikoto fell in love with some cute pajamas only for Saten and Uiharu to immediately talk about how childish they are.

And that wraps up the aluminum bomber but the larger plot thickens. It's seems its not a database issue but something that is causing people's abilities to increase in power. This episode strongly suggests it had something to with whatever the guy was listening to on his headphones...

HitokiriShadow
11-14-2009, 09:15 PM
I have to agree, I never really had a problem with Touma as a character, I just thought that he wasn't a particularly great main character.

He's fantastic as a foil for Mikoto, because he has the exact personality to completely driver her insane. Remember, this is the girl who is unphased by having to fend off the amorous advances of her roommate on a nightly basis, and eats your average street gang for breakfast, but Touma, TOUMA just drives her up the wall.

This is pretty much where I am on Touma. He wasn't a particularly outstanding main character, but he was solidly good one. He may have had a few questionable moments (though none come to mind) but he was a fairly inteligent and very not annoying lead with some fun interactions with the other characters (not just Mikoto).

I can sympathize with something to a degree, as I'd prefer he not be involved much in the plot and he certainly shouldn't be saving Mikoto and friends on a regular basis. But his mere presence is not a negative and even if they bring him in a bit more than I would have liked, it just comes down to how and how well its executed. He could end up being a major character in this series and as long as its done well and they don't do anything with him that particularly bugs me, then I won't have a problem with it.

The show has done nothing yet to reduce its position as my absolute favorite show this season. (As long as we are talking strictly about this season and not including shows from Summer that get a web episode once every month or two.)

ilmaestro
11-14-2009, 11:54 PM
He may have had a few questionable moments (though none come to mind)
He's had one in this show, for me, when he went to hit Mikoto.

Fencedude
11-15-2009, 12:02 AM
He may have had a few questionable moments (though none come to mind)
He's had one in this show, for me, when he went to hit Mikoto.

He was never actually going to hit her and, of course, she started it.

ilmaestro
11-15-2009, 12:15 AM
and, of course, she started it.
Hey, that excuse only works when you're in middle school or something. :p

But as to the first point, for me that's pretty debatable. Also, whether he actually would have hit her *that time* is possibly beside the point. He raised his hand to hit her as I saw it, not just to threaten her or something, was going to hit her, and stopped himself. I interpreted that as "dude let his temper get the better of him, who knows what would happen on another day under different circumstances".

I thought it was a deliberate attempt from the writers to separate the jokiness of "haha, Mikoto's powers can't hurt him" from "hang on, he actually went to hit her". Now, this could possibly have been just to say "let's not let people entirely forget she's an at-times-vulnerable 14 year old girl, despite her amazing powers", but I thought there was a chance of people seeing a slightly darker side to it.

something
11-15-2009, 12:22 AM
But as to the first point, for me that's pretty debatable. Also, whether he actually would have hit her *that time* is possibly beside the point. He raised his hand to hit her as I saw it, not just to threaten her or something, was going to hit her, and stopped himself. I interpreted that as "dude let his temper get the better of him, who knows what would happen on another day under different circumstances".
As much as I dislike the Touma scenes, this isn't something I would cite as a problem. I mean, she sort of tried to kill him. In this case seeing Index would certainly help, because you'd know that he's really nothing like that at all.

He's not a bad guy... I just don't want him in my Railgun.

ilmaestro
11-15-2009, 12:24 AM
But as to the first point, for me that's pretty debatable. Also, whether he actually would have hit her *that time* is possibly beside the point. He raised his hand to hit her as I saw it, not just to threaten her or something, was going to hit her, and stopped himself. I interpreted that as "dude let his temper get the better of him, who knows what would happen on another day under different circumstances".
As much as I dislike the Touma scenes, this isn't something I would cite as a problem. I mean, she sort of tried to kill him. In this case seeing Index would certainly help, because you'd know that he's really nothing like that at all.

He's not a bad guy... I just don't want him in my Railgun.
Well, I don't want to get stuck on this point too much, as I'm probably making it sound like I took it more seriously than I did. It's not even really why I dislike the character - his (coolness/aloofness/weirdly easygoingness) is just somehow offputting to me - it's just that it did take me somewhat by surprise when I watched it, and it stuck with me.

Draneor
11-15-2009, 12:32 AM
Now, this could possibly have been just to say "let's not let people entirely forget she's an at-times-vulnerable 14 year old girl, despite her amazing powers"

That's was the point of the scene. Mikoto is very powerful, but she had to work to get there. Her mental state, however, may not be level five, even if her ability is.

something
11-15-2009, 12:33 AM
his (coolness/aloofness/weirdly easygoingness) is just somehow offputting to me
I do agree there. It was okay in Index, I guess, because he was the main character and you saw all sides of him, both for better and for worse. It's not that he's a particularly deep character (basically, he's just an anti-hero who punches shit and wins) but he wasn't entirely one dimensional. But the attitude you cite is all that he is in Railgun. And while I'm certainly not saying I want to see him show up more in order to get more depth out of him, I am saying that this particular trait, in the context of his Railgun appearances, leaves me with a bad taste every time he shows up. It's just not working for me at all, even though Mikoto is adorable when she's flustered.

Draneor
11-15-2009, 12:40 AM
I am saying that this particular trait, in the context of his Railgun appearances, leaves me with a bad taste every time he shows up. It's just not working for me, even though Mikoto is adorable when she's flustered.

At this point though, they're not even friends. Mikoto is the weird chick that keeps getting pissed off at him for no discernible reason. I doubt Touma wants anything to do with her.

While I'm sure that there is still a lot of ground to cover between Mikoto and Touma, I wonder if we'll get any of it here (Index 2?). His joke appearances don't really annoy me, but they might if they keep happening by episode 24. Eventually, they should either do something more with him or drop it. But I'm more interested in Saten's character development at the moment, to be honest.

ilmaestro
11-15-2009, 12:43 AM
Now, this could possibly have been just to say "let's not let people entirely forget she's an at-times-vulnerable 14 year old girl, despite her amazing powers"

That's was the point of the scene. Mikoto is very powerful, but she had to work to get there. Her mental state, however, may not be level five, even if her ability is.
OK, if I give them that as the entire and sole point of that scene (it is very clearly there, I agree), can I rag on Touma for taking the little girl to the shopping mall and then not taking enough responsibility to not lose sight of her and letting her become a tool for crazy bomb kid. ;)

But I'm more interested in Saten's character development at the moment, to be honest
Absolutely. She's clearly got a bee in her bonnet (however minor atm) about being a Level 0, and I keep thinking the show is trying to push Saten/Mikoto as the real relationship we should be interested in.

something
11-15-2009, 12:44 AM
Eventually, they should either develop the character in relation to Mikoto or drop it. But I'm more interested in Saten's character development at the moment.
I'll go with "drop" but unfortunately it'll probably be "develop" (and increased screen time). Even though we'll have Index 2 for as much of that as they feel like throwing at us. Eh. And yeah, way, way, way more interested in Ruiko, that's for damn sure. I can't tell if they plan to give her a power at some point (with all that talk about how Mikoto started from nothing) or if she'll be the token "You can be a hero too, even without powers!" character.

Well, I'll love her from start to finish either way.

Draneor
11-15-2009, 12:47 AM
[I]f she'll be the token "You can be a hero too, even without powers!" character.

I'd like to believe that everyone, even someone without any powers or a deus ex machina hand, can be useful. So I'd rather her not develop one and instead find some other way to be useful.^^

[C]an I rag on Touma for taking the little girl to the shopping mall and then not taking enough responsibility to not lose sight of her and letting her become a tool for crazy bomb kid. ;)

I wouldn't argue that Touma is not, in fact, somewhat of an idiot so rag away.

ilmaestro
11-15-2009, 12:58 AM
[C]an I rag on Touma for taking the little girl to the shopping mall and then not taking enough responsibility to not lose sight of her and letting her become a tool for crazy bomb kid. ;)

I wouldn't argue that Touma is not, in fact, somewhat of an idiot so rag away.
Haha, fair enough. ^_^

something
11-15-2009, 01:14 AM
I'd like to believe that everyone, even someone without any powers or a deus ex machina hand, can be useful. So I'd rather her not develop one and instead find some other way to be useful.^^
She should just totally incapacitate all enemies with her sexiness.

Jumbo
11-15-2009, 03:41 PM
Remember, this is the girl who is unphased by having to fend off the amorous advances of her roommate on a nightly basis

Has there been an episode thus far that doesn't end with Mikoto getting jumped by Kuroko?

Suwako Moriya
11-16-2009, 08:23 AM
Mikoto's comment about the idea of arriving before she defeats the enemy suddenly reminded me of how in some series it essentially boils down to a random individual is more capable than an entire organization.

It's nice that Mikoto got an educational lesson in regards to Judgment.

Mikoto do us a favor and study Kuroko because she's clearly worth researching.

Speaking of Kuroko, it's nice to see her chest once more. It's an important plot element.

Suwako Moriya
11-16-2009, 08:29 AM
Yay for randomly used post-credit sequence :(

It's for that reason, I've learned to either just let the Opening and Ending play through or at the very least be careful when skipping through the said OP and ED. Also, to be suspicious whenever credits start early.

Suwako Moriya
11-16-2009, 08:30 AM
Not nearly enough Saten!

True, but is it even possible to have enough of her?

And nice cliffhanger, of sorts, though even without the preview I'd figured out the culprit.

It's like they went out of their way to make it obvious.

Suwako Moriya
11-16-2009, 08:42 AM
Despite the minimal inclusion of A Certain Regular School Girl Saten, there was a lot to like about this episode.

I don't know why, but I could watch a series with that as the title. Also, I've learned something today. You're not a true character in this franchise until you get either an official or unofficial "A Certain....." title.

Suwako Moriya
11-16-2009, 08:46 AM
She may have had only one scene, but she was awesome in it. "When do her flowers start to sprout?"

I'm now even more convinced that a Saten-chan is needed. Especially if it allows her to have fun with flowers. I am not responsible for what you read into that.

Suwako Moriya
11-16-2009, 09:19 AM
Poor Saten and her sadness over her lack of "power". For some reason, I want her to start learning magic. Well, maybe not in the Canon story, but as kind of a joke scene in a random omake. Watch as she casts Flare!

Yes, I know but if Index can be constantly interrupted by Scientific stuff then it would not be the end of the word for Rail Gun to have a joke scene involving magic. Fair is fair.

That stuff about the Level Upper is nice, but I get the impression it's supposed to level up an existing ability. Not create one from scratch. So it wouldn't do Saten any good.

That hand can be useful sometimes.

Suwako Moriya
11-16-2009, 09:22 AM
Whilst the hair-tentacles look does suit her, she's amazing with her hair down I agree, but Mikoto stole the episode, with both her action and her adorability. :)

Yes, Mikoto stole the episode.

As for the whole hair down thing. It's kind of interesting that we usually comment about a character being amazing with their hair down when it's not their usual hair style. It's almost as if the fact it's less common makes it seem more special than it actually is.

Suwako Moriya
11-16-2009, 09:25 AM
I'll have to agree with you on that one. Touma makes a better supporting character than main character.

I"m fine just so long as he remembers he's a supporting character.

And Ruiko needs to find a rare candy if she wants to get involved in the action.

Wait, maybe Uiharu has Fire Flowers in her hair!

Suwako Moriya
11-16-2009, 09:29 AM
It doesn't seem like Saten is the type to hold grudges, but I have a feeling her perceived uselessness will need to be resolved at some point.

I suggest a 3-4 episode arc dedicated to her to help deal with the issue.

Suwako Moriya
11-16-2009, 09:50 AM
Presumably I liked them in Index because I knew it was some of the only screentime Mikoto would get. Now that's not the case, and they no longer serve their primary purpose for me - getting me more Mikoto.

I can see where you're coming from, but depending on how you look at it, that can come off as slightly unfair. The idea that it's good for Touma to give up screen time to Mikoto, but the reverse is bad.

Although to be fair, I can't really talk. Since after all, I'd much prefer Touma's screen time be kept restricted. Not because I dislike him. Not because I feel he ruins scenes just by merely appearing.

It's just that I don't want him to drown out Mikoto. I don't want this to be a case where we're supposed to have a different lead, but he or in this case she has to be put on the bench for the sake of the original.

Suwako Moriya
11-16-2009, 09:55 AM
Even though we'll have Index 2 for as much of that as they feel like throwing at us.

I wonder if Mikoto will have a role to play Index 2. Which would be fine by me so long as she doesn't drown out another girl.

And yeah, way, way, way more interested in Ruiko, that's for damn sure. I can't tell if they plan to give her a power at some point (with all that talk about how Mikoto started from nothing) or if she'll be the token "You can be a hero too, even without powers!" character..

More focus on Ruiko would definitely be a good thing. As for the idea of being a hero without powers, I just hope they don't pull the "Look I became a human shield for you. It's all I can do" scene.

something
11-16-2009, 09:59 AM
I can see where you're coming from, but depending on how you look at it, that can come off as slightly unfair.
But it doesn't have anything to do with "fairness". I have no obligation to be objective or impartial to any of these characters, or to evaluate them on anything but my own personal feelings. I can and do look at characters objectively when I want to, but that's an entirely different discussion. I'm a fan watching a television show, not a trial judge or jury.

The idea that it's good for Touma to give up screen time to Mikoto, but the reverse is bad.
An idea I heartily endorse.

Suwako Moriya
11-16-2009, 10:11 AM
I can see where you're coming from, but depending on how you look at it, that can come off as slightly unfair.But it doesn't have anything to do with "fairness". I have no obligation to be objective or impartial to any of these characters, or to evaluate them on anything but my own personal feelings. I'm a fan watching a television show, not a trial judge or jury.

Just to be clear, while I might think it's "unfair" that doesn't mean I think you're obligated to be fair. Those are two separate issues for me. In fact, I will go out of my way to say you are right that you're under no obligation and shouldn't be expected to be fair.

Actually, I'm not sure I can even demand fairness without being a hypocrite. Since there are bound to be times where I'm going to want X to have more screen time, but Y to have as little screen time as possible.

The idea that it's good for Touma to give up screen time to Mikoto, but the reverse is bad.An idea I heartily endorse.

Well, if given a choice between Touma having screen time vs Mikoto, I'll take Mikoto.

Draneor
11-16-2009, 10:23 AM
I don't want this to be a case where we're supposed to have a different lead, but he or in this case she has to be put on the bench for the sake of the original.

Touma is bound to have some involvement in Mikoto's story since we know Mikoto had some involvement in his story. But certainly, as Railgun is showing, he isn't the only person involved in her story--there's much more to her life than just Touma. Nevertheless, it's unrealistic to expect him not to appear.

I wonder if Mikoto will have a role to play Index 2. Which would be fine by me so long as she doesn't drown out another girl.

She is one of the two heroines so...

HitokiriShadow
11-16-2009, 03:03 PM
I wonder if Mikoto will have a role to play Index 2. Which would be fine by me so long as she doesn't drown out another girl.

She is one of the two heroines so...

I'd be more worried about how much a role Index will have in Index 2 than Mikoto. I have no doubt that Mikoto will have a decent role to play in at least some of the arcs going forward. Index, on the other hand...

Suwako Moriya
11-16-2009, 03:18 PM
I'd be more worried about how much a role Index will have in Index 2 than Mikoto. I have no doubt that Mikoto will have a decent role to play in at least some of the arcs going forward. Index, on the other hand...

Well, I'm hoping that Index S1 got the "Introduction Arcs" out its system. If so then maybe Index could have decent screen time then.

Fencedude
11-16-2009, 07:35 PM
I'd be more worried about how much a role Index will have in Index 2 than Mikoto. I have no doubt that Mikoto will have a decent role to play in at least some of the arcs going forward. Index, on the other hand...

Well, I'm hoping that Index S1 got the "Introduction Arcs" out its system. If so then maybe Index could have decent screen time then.

Index is what I like to call a character clusterfuck (http://safebooru.donmai.us/post/show/557604) show.

Mateo_home
11-16-2009, 07:44 PM
Wait, maybe Uiharu has Fire Flowers in her hair!

What makes you so sure they're not Ice Flowers?;)

I think Kazari is trying to grow a Gracidea Flower. This way she can transform into her Sky Forme. What we currently see is her Land Forme. Yes, I believe she the legendary Pokemon, Shaymin. She gets sick from breathing poluted air. I mean living in Academy City must be full of it. And with enough stored Kazari unleashes her powerful Grass-Type attack: Seed Flare.

And just to get this out, my favorite characters in this show right now are Mikoto because she's an Electric-Type plus her encounters with Touma are hilairious. And Kazari not just because she has the same seiyuu as Amu, and I sadly just found this out and didn't notice. But I also like her potential as the ordinary character and whether she'll stay like that and prove to still take action or discover her ability.

Draneor
11-16-2009, 08:17 PM
Index, on the other hand...

Sometimes, we are all called to sacrifice for the greater good and such is the duty of Index. The less she appears the less likely it is that Stiyl shows up. Or Kaori. Or... Did I mention I didn't find the magic side very interesting?

Sly05
11-16-2009, 10:20 PM
Index is what I like to call a character clusterfuck (http://safebooru.donmai.us/post/show/557604) show.

I guess there isn't much hope for many characters that we've already seen getting much screen time. That's too bad as I enjoyed the Misaka Imoutos and Last Order.

pi8you
11-17-2009, 12:57 AM
Index is what I like to call a character clusterfuck (http://safebooru.donmai.us/post/show/557604) show.
Wow, it took me waaaay too long to find the previously introduced principle characters on there. Still, if they get around to giving them all a go, be interesting for a bit, and then get out of the picture, I don't think I'd complain about it too much, as I've been entertained by pretty much all of them so far.

Suwako Moriya
11-17-2009, 10:51 AM
Index is what I like to call a character clusterfuck (http://safebooru.donmai.us/post/show/557604) show.

*Looks* Wow, there's more characters than I thought. Also, some of the names are quite interesting. I get the feeling a lot of those won't appear in the anime and some of them might only get walk on roles at best.

Granted Index might be one of those series where you introduce a set of characters in one arc and then after that the arc is over, you pretend they no longer exist. Unless the character in question is special like say for example the lead character himself.

Suwako Moriya
11-17-2009, 10:54 AM
Still, if they get around to giving them all a go, be interesting for a bit, and then get out of the picture, I don't think I'd complain about it too much, as I've been entertained by pretty much all of them so far.

Personally I want them to focus on whichever ones are cute girls. Yes, I just had to go there. Although if they have time for other types, I wouldn't mind as well.

Betenoire
11-18-2009, 10:35 PM
Mikoto's adorable when flustered.

Bigtime.

"Tsun...Tsun...Tsundara?"

ZZAP!

I liked the one in front of Touma where she went "Tsun...tsun...tsun..." *massive blush and steam explosion*

This was such a wonderful series of events.

Betenoire
11-18-2009, 10:41 PM
Ah, it looks like Touma does have an Esper power. It's a level 7 power to dig his own grave by running his mouth.

Or level 7 ability to run into women with troubles that will make his life unfortunate as he then tries to help them.


You know the fact that Mikoto got scared once she realized her powers were useless makes me wonder one thing. Just how many of these Espers are actually trained to deal with situations where they can't rely on their singular skill? I doubt they are-certainly Accelerator wasn't prepared in Index or he would have keep up the parts of his assault that were working like more long distance stuff.

Kuroko has a solution for dealing with the curse of the undressing woman. It's time for panties that are still warm. Yet more love.

Betenoire
11-18-2009, 10:49 PM
I'm assuming it hasn't started yet and this series will show its beginning.

I recall it was a long running project, but perhaps the testing itself hasn't started yet. The preparation for it must have taken years though.

Hmmmm, that's probably true. Actually, come to think of it.... I might need to check some scenes from Index. Now that you mention it, I think when they were talking about the project they may have shown Mikoto as a little girl with a bunch of scientists. In which case it would have been going on for close to a decade at this point.

Yep, I recall that scene. Though the actual "testing" part of the clones may be more recent, as they were grown in an accelerated rate from what MISAKA (or was it 20,001?) says so the project may have just reached the production of clones stage.

Betenoire
11-18-2009, 10:53 PM
And its so typical of Mikoto not to bother mentioning that she's the one who saved Kuroko's butt.

I half way expected that to end up being why Kuroko ended up obsessed with Mikoto. But I guess something else caused Kuroko to change her mind.

Mikoto's power does stand out. It would have been hard for Kuroko to forget it with the look she had. "Railgun" would be a hard power to mistake I would think. She also is already aware of Railgun as she runs her down before meeting her (which was fabulous to compare with now) similar to how Saten does.

Betenoire
11-18-2009, 10:57 PM
...it never ended?
Probably something like that. I was thinking last night how despite liking Index (character), my favorite thing about Index (show) was Railgun. And now, despite liking Railgun (character) herself, my favorite thing about Railgun (show) is Teleporter.

Thus the only thing that could make it better is if we get a spinoff of the spinoff and Kuroko is the main character!

In which you would likely love a side character there more following this pattern. ;)

Betenoire
11-18-2009, 11:08 PM
Most lasting visual was certainly the little girl running towards Uiharu whilst holding the frog, though. Completely chilling.

Made more so by his lack of regard for innocence and using a child to deliver the frog, which had things played out as they had earlier I'm not positive only a Judgment member would have been hurt/killed. That and his power seems to level up everything he uses it-he could really get scary if he got away.

Loved Kuroko saying how Mikoto would have fought him even if she were still a level 1.

Betenoire
11-18-2009, 11:11 PM
It's a shame, because this show could really be a smash hit favorite for me but every time I so much as see his face for 0.5 seconds it really kills any scene for me. I don't even hate the character or anything

Why lie to yourself? Touma's been in some of the funniest scenes in the series (and people who didn't want Touma to even show up period have enjoyed them) and has had none of the flaws of his Index counterpart and yet as soon as you see him he kills the scene? Really now...

I have to agree, I never really had a problem with Touma as a character, I just thought that he wasn't a particularly great main character.

He's fantastic as a foil for Mikoto, because he has the exact personality to completely driver her insane. Remember, this is the girl who is unphased by having to fend off the amorous advances of her roommate on a nightly basis, and eats your average street gang for breakfast, but Touma, TOUMA just drives her up the wall.

This is where Touma shines for me as well. He is just a good supporting character because he brings out the best (or worst) sides of those he deals with, it's just as a protagonist I find him lacking a bit in the personality department and needing people to spice him up.

Betenoire
11-18-2009, 11:20 PM
Mikoto's comment about the idea of arriving before she defeats the enemy suddenly reminded me of how in some series it essentially boils down to a random individual is more capable than an entire organization.

From a power standpoint, unless the #2 of level 5's is in Judgment or the other (4?) level 5's are she maybe. And it's not like she goes out looking to beat Judgment to the punch, she just has a talent of being around when trouble happens (sometimes by being the cause :sd:).

Betenoire
11-18-2009, 11:23 PM
Poor Saten and her sadness over her lack of "power". For some reason, I want her to start learning magic. Well, maybe not in the Canon story, but as kind of a joke scene in a random omake. Watch as she casts Flare!

Well, she could start learning it to get power and thus leading her to join the "other side" which I would guess in this case would be a more active and militant one. Hello redemption arc. Maybe even a series where she tries to redeem herself.

Betenoire
11-18-2009, 11:27 PM
Even though we'll have Index 2 for as much of that as they feel like throwing at us.

I wonder if Mikoto will have a role to play Index 2.

<Index spoiler> Given the end of ep...18? and how they did (and didn't) conclude that I'm guessing she will be as we almost always get a later scene where we hear what was said, thus making her appearance an imperative.

Draneor
11-20-2009, 08:53 PM
Hearing Mikoto say "onii-chan" is so wrong and yet weirdly so right. I might start banging my head onto the table too. It also seems events are starting to converge into a plot. And not, perhaps, in a good way.

On a side note, it appears the flowers don't grow when Uiharu's sick.

angelx03
11-20-2009, 09:20 PM
Onii-chan!!!!~ Would tell me about Level Upper, pwese?!! (http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/9601/1258766552307.jpg) :blush1:

On another note, wasn't the restaurant scene of this episode supposed to be the episode that actually connects to the first episode of Index meaning Touma was supposed to appear?

Sly05
11-20-2009, 09:21 PM
Kuroko sure bangs her head into things a lot this episode. Mmm, shaved ice.

The fight between Mikoto and the random yankee lady was pretty cool, if short. While Railgun hasn't had anything up to the scale of the action scenes in Index yet, I like the tactics Mikoto employs with her powers. What I found frustrating in Index was that the solutions to many of the problems always seemed to come out of nowhere making them feel like dues ex machina. This hasn't been a problem here.

I can't say I blame Saten for wanting the level upper. Being the only person among your friends without amazing powers (even if Uihara's is only lv 1) would be depressing.

Sly05
11-20-2009, 09:22 PM
On another note, wasn't the restaurant scene of this episode supposed to be the episode that actually connects to the first episode of Index meaning Touma was supposed to appear?
I think it's the same restuarant, just different thugs. Academy city really seems to have a problem with them.

Draneor
11-20-2009, 09:23 PM
On another note, wasn't the restaurant scene of this episode supposed to be the episode that actually connects to the first episode of Index meaning Touma was supposed to appear?

Based purely on the animation, it's the same restaurant but different events (and thugs).

Westlo
11-20-2009, 09:33 PM
On another note, wasn't the restaurant scene of this episode supposed to be the episode that actually connects to the first episode of Index meaning Touma was supposed to appear?

It was.. but the manga/Railgun event is different from the Index version so people are assuming J.C Staff are going to do it differently so they don't retcon Index. That or they butchered another Touma scene.

Edit - I'm surprised how popular Touma is in the annual poll for light novels.

Novels (Index came in 9th)

1 - Baka & Test & Soukanjuu
2 - Bakemonogatari
3 - Bungaku Shoujo (this and Haruhi are the only Light novels to have been in the top ten 4 times)
4 - ToraDora
5 - Seitokai no Ichizon

Characters (Hitagi 12th, Accelerator 17th, no Index lol)

1 Hideyoshi(Bakatest)
2 Arararararagi kun (bakemono)
3 Kamijo Touma (Index)
4 Mi-kun (Liar Mi-kun)
5 Sugisaki(SeiZon)
6 Mikoto (Railgun)
7 Ryuuji (Toradora)
8 Touko (Bungaku Shoujo)
9 Nanase (Bungaku Shoujo)
10 Konoha (Bungaku Shoujo)

I guess it's good time for a Bakatest anime next season and Bungaku Shoujo is getting a movie release too by I.G.

Funkatron
11-20-2009, 10:30 PM
What exactly is Uiharu power, anywho? Have they mentioned it at all?

Railgun ramping up her moe appeal with those guys was awesome, pure and simple.

Fudce
11-20-2009, 10:34 PM
What exactly is Uiharu power, anywho? Have they mentioned it at all?
I don't know. I don't recall them mentioning it. If anyone does know and they haven't mentioned it - please don't share with us.

Railgun ramping up her moe appeal with those guys was awesome, pure and simple.
It was nearly as cringeworthingly cute as Mei was in Clannad After Story. And that is scarily cute.

Draneor
11-20-2009, 10:38 PM
What exactly is Uiharu power, anywho?

Cute pantsu power!

It could happen. >_>

It was nearly as cringeworthingly cute as Mei was in Clannad After Story. And that is scarily cute.

Especially since Mikoto can turn around and fry your arse off the next second. ^^U Let's just be glad she doesn't have an extreme tsundere personality.

Betenoire
11-20-2009, 11:16 PM
-Given the studying at the beginning, does Touma's cancel power mean his personal reality is stronger than those he nullifies? And did the bell ring because it was time or did maybe Saten use her power to get out a pinch unconsciously?
-Frog purse!
-Mikoto splits the bill, to Kuroko's dismay "You invited me"
-Mikoto offers Saten some of her ice cream to compare flavors, and Saten does the same and Kuroko flips having not thought of getting a different flavor so she could have a contact ki...er compare flavors.
-Uihara caught a cold because Saten keeps flipping her skirt up, but Saten does it out of concern to make sure she is wearing panties. :devil:
-Isn't that a lot of wrapping paper in that background?
-After Uihara finds the restaurant they level up users have been meeting at Mikoto runs out to get them, with Kuroko chasing after telling her it is Judgment's job.
-Saten bribes Uihara into helping her study. "You have strong delusions." Heh.
-Mikoto uses a type of logic on Kuroko to get her to let Mikoto approach some potential level up users. Mikoto plays up the innocent girl act while Kuroko bangs her head on the table (shouldn't it be raw by this point in the ep?). Mikoto leaves when the punks think she is rich and decide to rob her...good luck with that.
-Mikoto hands the punks their lunch and her biggest concern when reinforcements arrive is holding back. :sdsmiley:
-The boss shows up, gets her men to apologize then goes to get revenge. Her power is Flux Coat and she can control asphalt-useful in the city but she would be useless camping. :P Mikoto can play Spider-Woman.:catgirl:
-Saten washes Uihara's back...Yes! Followed by Saten GLOMP!!!! Hell Yes!
-Mikoto blacks out the city due to not paying attention where she was fighting and she didn't get info. :sd:
-Kuroko gets Mikoto to go to the hospital as their prisoner has lapsed into a coma like (?) state, and Mikoto is so cute apologizing to the doctor for having hit him though the doctor explains this isn't her fault.
-Looks like there is a price for using the level upper.
-And Saten found it...

Next week can't come soon enough.

Betenoire
11-20-2009, 11:19 PM
What exactly is Uiharu power, anywho? Have they mentioned it at all?
I don't know. I don't recall them mentioning it. If anyone does know and they haven't mentioned it - please don't share with us.

Doesn't she say it could help with her studies if it went up so maybe it's info related, though given the school the act of it's going up could be itself the help. She does seem to be handy with info in the office and calls up the site quickly...I wonder if that is related?

Fencedude
11-20-2009, 11:42 PM
Saten may be a Certain Ordinary Schoolgirl, but she's good at scoring with the girls. She managed an indirect kiss with Mikoto, and spongebathing Uiharu this episode. Kuroko's despair was palpable. I especially liked her bashing her head on the table.

Anyway, we see another creative use of Mikoto's ability, and learn she has surprisingly good acting skills.

Those "Onii-chan"s were deadly!

And Uiharu looks weird without her flowers.

Betenoire
11-20-2009, 11:52 PM
Saten may be a Certain Ordinary Schoolgirl, but she's good at scoring with the girls. She managed an indirect kiss with Mikoto, and spongebathing Uiharu this episode.

Maybe that is her power and like Touma it measures at 0 but is insanely useful. It would certainly make for my favorite superpower in this universe that I have seen. Now if only she had Dia's power from Kiddy Girl and~....

pi8you
11-21-2009, 12:11 AM
-And Saten found it...
These post-credit clips leading into the preview have all been pretty spectacular at ramping up my anticipation for the next episode, so not fair to be dropping cliffhangers like that after they've gone and wrapped up the plot for the week.

Kuroko-torture this week was outstanding, she's going to be a full on masochist by the end of this show.

ilmaestro
11-21-2009, 12:22 AM
Damn, this show is hot and just gets hotter. Absolutely can't wait for the next episode.

Kuroko slamming her head into things is ace (and the whole of the scene with the flavored ice was awesome).

An original use of Mikoto's power is also ace (and the whole of extended scene from the cafe to her going overboard at the power generator was awesome).

I would like to put Saten and K-ON!'s Mio together in a room, just to see what would happen.

I'm quite worried for Saten, over and above the general facts of what we've seen - I don't think we've seen the effects of the Level Upper on a Level 0, have we? Could be a particularly bad trip for her.

These post-credit clips leading into the preview have all been pretty spectacular at ramping up my anticipation for the next episode
:bignodofagreement.gif:

Very pleased they decided to add these in, actual plot has really ramped this series up.

Funkatron
11-21-2009, 06:53 AM
-Given the studying at the beginning, does Touma's cancel power mean his personal reality is stronger than those he nullifies? And did the bell ring because it was time or did maybe Saten use her power to get out a pinch unconsciously?
-Frog purse!
-Mikoto splits the bill, to Kuroko's dismay "You invited me"
-Mikoto offers Saten some of her ice cream to compare flavors, and Saten does the same and Kuroko flips having not thought of getting a different flavor so she could have a contact ki...er compare flavors.
-Uihara caught a cold because Saten keeps flipping her skirt up, but Saten does it out of concern to make sure she is wearing panties. :devil:
-Isn't that a lot of wrapping paper in that background?
-After Uihara finds the restaurant they level up users have been meeting at Mikoto runs out to get them, with Kuroko chasing after telling her it is Judgment's job.
-Saten bribes Uihara into helping her study. "You have strong delusions." Heh.
-Mikoto uses a type of logic on Kuroko to get her to let Mikoto approach some potential level up users. Mikoto plays up the innocent girl act while Kuroko bangs her head on the table (shouldn't it be raw by this point in the ep?). Mikoto leaves when the punks think she is rich and decide to rob her...good luck with that.
-Mikoto hands the punks their lunch and her biggest concern when reinforcements arrive is holding back. :sdsmiley:
-The boss shows up, gets her men to apologize then goes to get revenge. Her power is Flux Coat and she can control asphalt-useful in the city but she would be useless camping. :P Mikoto can play Spider-Woman.:catgirl:
-Saten washes Uihara's back...Yes! Followed by Saten GLOMP!!!! Hell Yes!
-Mikoto blacks out the city due to not paying attention where she was fighting and she didn't get info. :sd:
-Kuroko gets Mikoto to go to the hospital as their prisoner has lapsed into a coma like (?) state, and Mikoto is so cute apologizing to the doctor for having hit him though the doctor explains this isn't her fault.
-Looks like there is a price for using the level upper.
-And Saten found it...

Next week can't come soon enough.
I think Touma's cancel power is that he reverses or normalizes the effects of others Personal Realities. Whether or not it needs to be stronger than other personal realities, I'm not sure.

Mateo_home
11-21-2009, 11:24 PM
Another solid episode. Got some Ruiko focus, so that's good. When Mikoto was dealing with those thugs in the ally, it was rather silly that more showed up. Even not knowing she's the powerful Railgun, it takes that many to rob a girl? And if Academy City is full of these people, they have to be migrating with each other.

Looking forward to next week to maybe see what this Level Upper looks like. Is it a Rare Candy? A Level Apple? An Uppercut? A sedative one receives via injection? My guess is the last one.

Shiroi Hane
11-22-2009, 06:51 AM
On a side note, it appears the flowers don't grow when Uiharu's sick.
Lack of sunlight?

Shiroi Hane
11-22-2009, 06:53 AM
Looking forward to next week to maybe see what this Level Upper looks like. Is it a Rare Candy? A Level Apple? An Uppercut? A sedative one receives via injection? My guess is the last one.
We just saw it; it looks like an MP3 file by an unknown artist.