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something

01-10-2010, 04:00 PM

Episode 12:

- Di-air <3
- Hey, it's Armbrust and whatshername (who are now Sommer and Hiver =D).
- Armbrust go boom? Well not that that would mean anything in this show necessarily. Interestingly, Eclair doesn't sound quite like I remember but fuck year Hirano Aya as Lumiere! <3
- A shame the Lumi boot scene was only a flashback. Guess we're not meeting those two again yet. Well, not that I want them to steal the show from Ascoeur and Q-feuille or anything.
- Pocky for everyone!
- POKKYUUN!
- Wakamoto Mk. II! Hmm, am I supposed to recognize him as someone from KGrade?
- Wait wait, is it the old guy who was, like, Eclair's son?
- Oh yeah totally is~ Too bad I remember almost nothing about him.
- And more focus on Di-air... I so want to know what she really is.

Great episode. Next week, BIKINIS OH GOD YES! And a very clear shot of the rose on Ascoeur's leg.

Shiroi Hane

01-10-2010, 05:21 PM

something

01-10-2010, 05:31 PM

- Wait wait, is it the old guy who was, like, Eclair's son?
- Oh yeah totally is~ Too bad I remember almost nothing about him.

He was leading up to be the big bad, but it turned out he was just a big old mummy's boy.

Yeah, he was the one who took the giganto-mecha and was gonna do... something. I just can't exactly remember what - the final few episodes weren't exactly the strongest part of KGrade for me.

Advent_Nebula

01-10-2010, 06:12 PM

Shiroi Hane

01-10-2010, 09:50 PM

He was gonna steal the Deucalion, but Alv hijacked the plan and took the Deucalion to Earth to devastate the Nouvlesse.
Fixed.. a few things. He did steal the Deucalion and his plan succeeded - he revealed the intentions the Nouvlesse had for it (namely to absconce themselves with the Earth itself and leave the Galaxy in economic chaos). Alv just took things a few steps further in trying to destroy the Earth instead.

Fencedude

01-10-2010, 10:15 PM

One thing that Kiddy Girl is doing better than Kiddy Grade is that its setting up the primary conflict and villain much more effectively.

Hell, the Nouvlesse weren't even introduced officially till like...3/4 of the way through Kiddy Grade.

I do hope we get some explanation for why Geacht'er is so ridiculously powerful.

ilmaestro

01-11-2010, 12:21 AM

This was a fairly entertaining ep, considering it was on a hiding to nothing after the awesome sauce of last week. Q-feuille was lovely, especially trying to avoid being noticed by Belle and Alisa.

The holiday resort makes Zack from the Dead or Alive games seem very much small time. ^^;

Next week should be a really good ep though, with potentially some proper Q-feuille character development.

Ingraman

01-11-2010, 12:35 AM

Ascouer's personality and voice really grates on my nerves though.

That has yet to stop happening for me, unfortunately. I'm beginning to feel that it's not going to improve, but I'm only half-way through the show... The short one with the (awesomely-voiced) squeak toy is almost as bad.

Ingraman

01-11-2010, 12:42 AM

Episode 12:

- Wakamoto Mk. II! Hmm, am I supposed to recognize him as someone from KGrade?

I'm now wondering if he and the squeak-toy are related since they sound alike.

- Wait wait, is it the old guy who was, like, Eclair's son?
- Oh yeah totally is~ Too bad I remember almost nothing about him.
I don't remember what he looked like in the original show. I was thinking that he was a bit more solid-looking/stockier. I guess not.

No mention of the best thing (unfortunately) that I've seen in this series so far? I loved the 2nd-half of the eyecatch, as stupid as it was. ^_^;

Great episode. Next week, BIKINIS OH GOD YES! And a very clear shot of the rose on Ascoeur's leg.Having more Ascœur is going to knock the episode down a few pegs if her personality doesn't change or she talks too much.

Draneor

01-11-2010, 12:47 AM

Ingraman

01-11-2010, 01:18 AM

Having more Ascœur is going to knock the episode down a few pegs if her personality doesn't change or she talks too much.

Ascoeur's voice and personality kind of grew on me. She's had quite a bit of character development since the first episode too. She's more mature and focused, for one.

She's definitely had development, but her personality is only slightly less annoying than it was at the start. I'm hoping that she's tolerable by the end of the show. Two who squeak in the main trio is hard on the ears, but I don't expect to see any improvement coming for the voices, since they'll be staying in the spotlight. Hmm... Maybe whatever Gackt did to Ascœur will improve both voice and personality?

HitokiriShadow

01-11-2010, 04:19 PM

Lot's of Letoucha/Ritochka/whatever the hell her name is this episode. She's 10,000 times amusing.

Shade seems to think Gachtoer just doesn't trust the people around him, but I think its more than that. I think he probably had the teams investigate each other to help keep them at odds with one another. He wants each pair to remain loyal purely to him and to not even begin to develop a sense of teamwork with the other pairs.

Looks like next episode should have some interesting information and revelations.

HitokiriShadow

01-11-2010, 04:53 PM

Well, that confirms that Hriver is exactly who we though she was. Looks like Sinistra and Dextera were already out of the picture at that point, or at least weren't involved with that planet.

And.... is Che the guy from the end of Kiddy Grade? I figured he was and I think he looked similar (though its been a long time since I saw the first series), but he should have been an old man by the time that flashback was occurring and long dead by now. I guess if Eclair had a child once she could have one again, but it still seems kind of odd. Though I guess if Eclair and Lumiere could stop time, they might be able to reverse his or something as well. Though I don't even remember if he lived or died at the end of the first series, so that might not have even been possible.

Shiroi Hane

01-11-2010, 07:21 PM

Chevalier was never Eclair's biological son. He died at the end of the original series and was reincarnated (presumably by Eclipse) as a baby named Che, so is now around 50 years old (again).

Shiroi Hane

01-12-2010, 10:20 PM

Ok, they're spelling them Letuchaia (http://www.kiddygirl-and.com/database/Letuchaia.html) and Pauki (http://www.kiddygirl-and.com/database/Pauki.html).
Letuchaia seems to be a valid romanization of Летучая (bat) since it get's hits on google, although Letuchaya is more common.
If I'm understanding the Russian correctly, for some reason they are using Spiders (Пауки́) rather than Spider (Паук) - despite the former making more sense as a name and better matching the katakana. I'm tempted to stick with using Pauk, at least on my own blog.
I've not even tried translating the profiles yet.

Fudce

01-12-2010, 10:36 PM

At least we know the official romanization now.. I just need to change all of the filenames for my avatars of those two now. It wasn't the first time and it wont be the last... :)

Shiroi Hane

01-12-2010, 11:43 PM

I've gone into a bit more detail on my blog (http://anime.thenexxus.org/blog/archives/2010/01/kiddy-girl-and-13.html) and also made a stab at translating their profiles (i.e. putting them through multiple translation engines and combining all the bits that make sense along with some informed guesswork)

Shiroi Hane

01-14-2010, 01:54 PM

http://anime.thenexxus.org/blog/archives/2010/01/kiddy-girl-and-14.html

Flashback episode, including some stuff with Eclipse that I didn't get.

If I'm understanding correctly, but Q-feuille and Ascoeur came out of capsules. I'm assuming this happened seven years ago and they have no memories from before that.

Draneor

01-16-2010, 12:07 AM

Q-Feuille wore an amazong white bikini. I wouldn't mind if that became her standard uniform.

Putting a bikini on Tikhon made me laugh. The fight was really good too. I'm not quite sure why Ascoeur didn't teleport the four of them away when running from the orbital lasers though. Maybe teleporting Tikhon is still too much for her?

Fencedude

01-16-2010, 01:10 AM

Oh Q-Feuille, you are just so gratuitously hot.

Who wants to bet that the ultra super pureblood Nouvlesse VIP was Di-air?

Shiroi Hane

01-16-2010, 03:45 AM

Where the heck is "Tikhon" coming from? ^^;

Fudce

01-16-2010, 11:10 AM

Where the heck is "Tikhon" coming from? ^^;

It's the translation some fansubs are coming out with. Typhon sounds and looks much better.

something

01-17-2010, 01:01 AM

Episode 13:

- Man this show really does have just about the LAZIEST OP in recent memory. They've made up for it to some degree with all the EDs, but seriously now. I wonder if there's any chance for a second OP.
- Oh man Alisa looks amazing.
- And the planet is women only? Oh GOD we need a series set specifically on this planet RIGHT NOW. Also, Ascoeur's flower birthmark! <3
- Oh god Ascoeur is extra adorable right now.
- YEEEEEEESSS, they look absolutely amazing in their bikinis.
- ......................The mech has a bikini on.
- As utterly, blatantly sexy as Q-feuille is, I actually find Ascoeur slightly more attractive. But then my tastes always gravitate to her body type. In any given group of three females, it'll be the middle that attracts me the most. You know, the one in between the loli on one hand and the sexy boin~ on the other. Ascoeur's porridge is juuust right. I also adore her hair.
- Di-air is a VIP! <3
- So I'm getting the impression this whole planet is run by some crazy lesbian hacker, hence women only / swimsuits at all times / nobody can leave. THIS PLANET IS AWESOME.
- Di-air's sunglasses are adorable.
- HAHAHAH! Oh man, that was the best eyecatch yet, by far.
- Can we have them do all their missions in swimsuits? I like their ES outfits but this is... lovely.
- Oh god, the chocolate bombs melted in her cleavage. That seems INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS. A whole new meaning to sexy dynamite.
- Okay so it's a perverted computer. Storing all sorts of wonderful images. =D
- Jeeze, this woman they found has gone kinda nutty.
- Oh god I love this show so much. This might be more destruction than Iris bargained for.
- Haha, I love how Di-air is always having SO much fun, no matter what happens.
- Ascoeur's ass! <3
- Bwhahaha, Alisa and Belle find out their waitress friends really ARE ES members.

That was easily one of my favorite eps so far. Awesome <3

Ascoeur is so lovely in the ED.

And is that some Suou hair on Ascoeur in the preview?

HitokiriShadow

01-18-2010, 12:57 AM

Awesome eyecatch.

I was also amused by their robot, particularly Ascouer giving it the bikini and it doing it suddenly acting all girly.

Oh, and Dia is not made for stealth missions.

Ingraman

01-18-2010, 01:35 AM

Awesome eyecatch.

Naah... The AE-86 from last week was much better since it was so unexpected. This week's just fit into the usual and uninspired stuff they've been using most of the time.

I was also amused by their robot, particularly Ascouer giving it the bikini and it doing it suddenly acting all girly.I must have missed it acting girly. Big mecha in swimsuit is silly (but then this series has been about silly far too often).

Oh, and Dia is not made for stealth missions.Neither Ascœur nor Dia are suitable for stealth, and if Ascœur can get away with anything by using a "tee hee"...

I don't mind looking at animated women in swimwear at all, but this episode had too little plot and two kinda-ES-members who don't _seem_ to have intelligence to go with their abilities.

I hope that the next episode gets back to the "main" plot, and doesn't stick with fluff. No, I didn't watch the preview. I'll be either kinda-pleased or (once again) horrified by the next episode, whenever I get around to watching it. I just don't remember Kiddy Grade being _this_ bad (it still had its painful moments, but I'm not remembering that there were so many of them), but maybe I'm just looking back at it with rose-colored glasses.

Fencedude

01-18-2010, 01:38 AM

Ingraman

01-18-2010, 02:49 AM

I just don't remember Kiddy Grade being _this_ bad (it still had its painful moments, but I'm not remembering that there were so many of them), but maybe I'm just looking back at it with rose-colored glasses.

Or maybe you should just stop watching the series if you are going to complain about every single thing it does.

I don't complain about everything the show does, just a lot of it. It's not the worst thing that I've ever followed. It'll get better, I'm sure, and I'm not expecting it to be pain-free. Even if it doesn't improve, it's only 20 minutes a week.

Edit: and speaking as someone who really liked Kiddy Grade, Kiddy Girl is a much, much stronger show at this point.That could be. The general plot points for KG-a are better than KG's GOTT-takeover story, but I didn't find the Kiddy Grade duo to be as difficult to watch as the Kiddy Girl-and trio. Éclair was mildly annoying on occasion in the first third or half of the series, but I'm not remembering being bothered by her nearly as much as I am with Ascœur and Dia. I watched Kiddy Grade about when it aired (I temporarily gave up on the show after the first few episodes, but I caught up and resumed after about 6-8 weeks), and then again as the R1 DVD singles came out, so it's been a while and I've probably forgotten a lot of the details (as I admitted to above). I do plan to rewatch it in the near-future.

I'll keep watching to see the return of the plot, and to see if Ascœur and Dia improve.

Fencedude

01-18-2010, 02:55 AM

I'll keep watching to see the return of the plot, and to see if Ascœur and Dia improve.

I really doubt Ascouer and Di-air are going to change in the ways you want them to.

something

01-18-2010, 05:09 AM

I'll keep watching to see the return of the plot, and to see if Ascœur and Dia improve.
They're already incredibly awesome, and if you don't agree then you're just wasting your and everyone's time expecting them to suddenly do a 180° and become... whatever the hell it is you expect them to become.

If you aren't satisfied with everything the show has been doing so far, you're not going to change your mind later. We've already gotten deep into the plot. The show is long since done its introductory phase. You are adamantly demanding the show hurry up and "get good", but fuck if anyone has any idea what that's supposed to mean at this point.

Draneor

01-18-2010, 09:38 AM

I cannot fathom how anyone could find Di-air annoying, but whatever.

Ingraman

01-18-2010, 12:29 PM

I'll keep watching to see the return of the plot, and to see if Ascœur and Dia improve.

I really doubt Ascouer and Di-air are going to change in the ways you want them to.

Yeah, I'm not too optimistic. They'll probably be full of "tee hee" ditziness/stupidity through to the end, with the occasional common sense behaviour thrown in when they're in certain situations. Maybe their behaviour is all an act, in order to throw off the enemy? I'll just watch some of the other characters and to see how the plot develops.

something

01-18-2010, 01:51 PM

Maybe their behaviour is all an act, in order to throw off the enemy?
...Hahaha.

I know you don't believe what you're telling yourself. There's obviously more to Di-air than the show can reveal at the moment, but Ascoeur's personality is very honest and right on the surface. You know what type of character she is now, and given how fundamentally you loathe her character, that won't change.

Shiroi Hane

01-21-2010, 06:55 PM

OK, wow.

First half was just a big dream sequence, but in the second half Geacht'er reveals that Ascoeur's real name is Liselotte and that he is her older brother and partner Alfried and is another time-manipulator. Whether this is true or not, he does have the same birthmark.

ilmaestro

01-24-2010, 09:33 PM

What an odd episode. Sets you up for something very serious and potentially tieing in to things like when Gackt was up on the balcony and gave Ascoeur some sort of headache, then goes for the fanservicey bath scene (Q-feuille still amazes me with how sexy she is... even if she wasn't technically lying when she told Di-air she was seven years old) and then turns out to be an origin story of sorts, with a strangely throw-away ending.

The main bulk of the ep was pretty fun, though. Ascoeur and Q-feuille's character interaction is great (more face licking, please), and Tweedledeedum was fairly amusing.

And then they kind of blew through the fact that Q-feuille was suddenly alright, and injured people had recovered. Suspiciously convenient timing, which I hope they come back to. If the start of the ep was purely to set up the flashback then it will be a bit weird.

ilmaestro

01-25-2010, 08:18 PM

Yikes, this was kind of another crazy episode. I'm not sure that some people will forgive them for "wasting" half an episode, however much they attempted to tie it into the story with Shade's "mission", but again it was good fun. Tsundere jokes (which seem to be "in" these last few months) at the expense of a very cute 'dledee, the best production of Snow White ever, and Di-air just being amazingly not annoying despite being the type of character that I can usually find easy to get annoyed at.

Whether this is true or not, he does have the same birthmark.
And then, yes, the second half of the ep. I'm also not convinced as to how much of his "siblings/partners" spiel is on the up-and-up, but clearly the connection is there in terms of them both being human guinea pigs at that research facility. And it gives us a plausible explanation for Ascoeur's feeling weird when Gackt is around (although he could just be putting the whammy on her to help his case).

It does make me wonder exactly why he would go out of his way to "recruit" her - perhaps she has some as-yet undiscoverd reserves of power that will help to defeat Gackt in the end. ^^;

Overall, another pretty atmospheric dose of exposition that really has the story rolling, can't wait to see where it goes from here.

Next week, more Saphir. \o/

Fencedude

01-28-2010, 12:14 AM

Interesting, so Q-feuille really is 7 years old. And Eclipse was her mother?

Also more face licking. Please.

Fukuyama Jun talking like a woman was hilarious.

Shiroi Hane

01-28-2010, 02:51 PM

Fencedude

01-28-2010, 06:53 PM

Interesting, so Q-feuille really is 7 years old. And Eclipse was her mother?
Clearly not literally, otherwise it would have been rather painful. Oddly coincidental that she wasn't able to create a parter for her but the perfect parter happened to exist anyway. Since Eclipse knows full well how difficult life (and death) can be for ES-members it seems cruel to create more essentially just as tools to help free her old friends.

I'm very curious to find out what Eclipse did to create Q-feuille that required so much energy she died.

Also I wonder if Ascouer's existence is not as much a coincidence as it appears.

jlazar

01-28-2010, 07:47 PM

I'm very curious to find out what Eclipse did to create Q-feuille that required so much energy she died.

A real long night of love making?

Draneor

01-28-2010, 09:01 PM

That was a touching episode. I almost cried when, I assume, Q-feuille's bond with Ascouer helped Q-feuille remember the past. Ascouer's mysterious origin, though, kind of makes me worried she was created by that blonde dude.

Isuzu Inugami

01-29-2010, 11:48 AM

I'm very curious to find out what Eclipse did to create Q-feuille that required so much energy she died.

I wonder if it's more of a regeneration thing, although since Eclipse is the one who does the regenerations, it might be messier than the usual--for one thing, her memories (and ability) don't seem to have carried over into Q-fy, although that may just be locked up.

Or maybe Eclipse sacrificed herself to set up some sort of complicated plan intended to result in Q-fy rescuing Eclair and Lumiere....

Ingraman

01-30-2010, 02:01 AM

Interesting, so Q-feuille really is 7 years old. And Eclipse was her mother?

She probably "mothered" at least a few ES-members.

Also more face licking. Please.As long as Ascœur's not involved next time. There are plenty of other girls who should lick Q-feuille. ^_^

Fukuyama Jun talking like a woman was hilarious.I smiled at this.

No comments about the cute eye-catch?

Ingraman

01-30-2010, 02:04 AM

I'm very curious to find out what Eclipse did to create Q-feuille that required so much energy she died.

A real long night of love making?

Are you looking for a DVD-only bonus extra like the Mai-HiME ones? ^_^

Shiroi Hane

01-30-2010, 09:55 AM

I'm very curious to find out what Eclipse did to create Q-feuille that required so much energy she died.

A real long night of love making?

Who with? Chevalier?

..that would be just so wrong, in so many ways.

Fudce

01-30-2010, 09:59 AM

something

01-30-2010, 09:19 PM

Man I wish these were coming out faster and more regularly.

Episode 14:

- Hmm, Q-feuille is starting to lose her memorization powers. Is inheriting the G-class powers too much for her?
- Bathing!
- Oh, I was rather hoping they'd get back to the point about Q-feuille saying she was "seven years old" - she really did mean it. Except she meant it in the sense of having inherited that form seven years ago, so as for who she could be... although Ascoeur has never said anything similar.
- Ascoeur, of course you're the boke. That's why I love ya.
- A picture of Eclipse in the corner there as Q-feuille is looking up her past. That doesn't seem connected to all the other images.
- Eclipse, "To heaven SC0322". SC0354 was the big event 25 years ago so we're in SC0379. 0322 would be, what, her birth in that form? "To heaven" sounds like a death though.
- Oh, well THAT is quite the connection. Eclipse "gave birth to" Q-feuille, though that obviously means something different in KG terms.
- ASCOEUR PAVLICHENKO! Oh man it looks so good on her. I wonder why she cut her hair? (I expect I'll find out before the end of the episode.) Not that her current hair looks bad, it's fantastic.
- FACE LICK! More please!
- ...wow, what the fuck is up with that eyecatch? That's disturbing.
- Oh hey, there's the hint that Ascoeur was "born" around the same time. But who was she "born" from?
- 'Dee and 'Dum can merge minds and control the other's body? Did they ever do that in Grade?
- Feminine 'Dum is messing with my head.
- Heh, precognition does no good if the enemies you warned about approach and open fire before anyone does anything about it. :sd:
- And that's how they became wife and wife!

That was really quite good. Great flashback, and nice little pieces of information regarding the "seven year" strageness.

Random speculation time. So yeah Eclipse and Gakky have nothing in common other than hair color, but... maybe if Q-feuille came from Eclipse, Ascoeur came from Gakky? Gakky did have some weird effect on Ascoeur when he was sneaking around before they took off for a mission. And well he's in the preview for what seems to be an Ascoeur ep next so that got me thinking about it. While we're on blond hair, there's Di-air too, and we've already gotten hints she might be a noble. At any rate she feels like something of a link between Q-feuille and Ascoeur, like something/someone made to bring out their real powers. I dunno, I really got nothing here beyond hair color, but what the heck.

*Why* any of this would be the case, I of course do not know, but hey.

Fencedude

01-30-2010, 09:23 PM

Random speculation time. So yeah Eclipse and Gakky have nothing in common other than hair color, but... maybe is Q-feuille came from Eclipse, Ascoeur came from Gakky? Gakky did have some weird effect on Ascoeur when he was sneaking around before they took off for a mission. And well he's in the preview for what seems to be an Ascoeur ep next so that got me thinking about it. While we're on blond hair, there's Di-air too, and we've already gotten hints she might be a noble. At any rate she feels like something of a link between Q-feuille and Ascoeur, like something/someone made to bring out their real powers. I dunno, I really got nothing here beyond hair color, but what the heck.

Eclipse has always been noticeably sans-partner. She, Eclair and Lumiere had a trio thing going on in their early days, but eventually Eclipse went to become the GOTT head, while Eclair and Lumiere busied themselves getting killed off every ten years or so.

It is reasonable to suggest that perhaps Gakky was supposed to be (or was, orignally) Eclipse's partner, long long ago, but something happened and...?

something

01-30-2010, 09:50 PM

Eclipse has always been noticeably sans-partner. She, Eclair and Lumiere had a trio thing going on in their early days, but eventually Eclipse went to become the GOTT head, while Eclair and Lumiere busied themselves getting killed off every ten years or so.
It is reasonable to suggest that perhaps Gakky was supposed to be (or was, orignally) Eclipse's partner, long long ago, but something happened and...?
Didn't remember about the trio thing (speaking of trios, our three leading ladies are the only example of that since, huh?). Yeah, being partnerless could also explain why she could only create one. And Gakky only one as well, if he really did create Ascoeur. Coming from two incredibly powerful "parents" could also go a long way towards explaining how they got their hands on G-class powers, though not why it's those two powers.

And again, perhaps Di-air being the missing link of some sort... how did we meet her anyway? ::checks an earlier ep:: Well, Hiver just introduces her to Ascoeur and Q-feuille (damnit those names are such a pain to type out) without any explanation. Di-air states that she doesn't know who her father is, although by contrast she seems quite certain she doesn't have a mother. Another creation by Gakky? She's also not on the UGG VIP list... but that list isn't necessarily going to cover G-Society.

I'm still failing at working her use of intense hatred of pronouns into this, though. :sd: And Rubis and Saphir have no idea who she is when they attack.

Need 15+ now damnit.

ilmaestro

01-31-2010, 02:22 AM

Well, this was good enough that it's really annoying that the next episode isn't for another two weeks. :(

Aside from the fact that the episode is based on a bit of a dubious premise (the ease and lack of care with which they were taken in by Saphir), it really has done a great job of throwing us firmly into the real meat of the story. Also, it had Saphir, who is awesome.

I'm very glad that Q-feuille's memory loss is still a major issue, they dealt with it weirdly a couple of episodes ago I thought. Who knows what Gackt is going to do when he gets his hands on her. :/ At the very least, though, he's going to have a pretty pissed Ascoeur to deal with - and, of course, everyone else is healthy again, too, not that you'd have known it from the fact that Q&A were sent on their own for this clearly dangerous and surely important mission.

Di-air was just ridiculously cute when she offered to blow on Saphir's food to cool it down.

And no, Ascoeur, don't deny your inner imouto!

Shiroi Hane

01-31-2010, 03:44 AM

Eclipse has always been noticeably sans-partner. She, Eclair and Lumiere had a trio thing going on in their early days
Didn't remember about the trio thing
Got some stuff on that somewhere..

http://www.kiddygrade.com/1/gallery/gd_DVDvol10B.html
http://anime.thenexxus.org/kiddy_grade/episodes/ep020/trio01.jpg
http://anime.thenexxus.org/kiddy_grade/episodes/ep020/ship02.jpg

Shiroi Hane

01-31-2010, 04:07 AM

- Eclipse, "To heaven SC0322". SC0354 was the big event 25 years ago so we're in SC0379. 0322 would be, what, her birth in that form? "To heaven" sounds like a death though.
Nothing seems significant about the date - it is between the dates of the Pr. novels and the start of the original series. 7 years ago was SC0372 so it could just be an error?

'Dee and 'Dum can merge minds and control the other's body? Did they ever do that in Grade?
They didn't ever do that, but I'm sure I remember reading something about twin telepathy-type powers. Ah, here we go - it was in the data FUNimation translated for their old KG site:
The younger twin brother of Tweedledee. He worships Tweedledee who is also his partner, and he is completely obedient to his sister. However, towards other people, Tweedledum is cold and indifferent, and he can be abrupt without meaning to be. It is not that he means to offend people, but that he has no interest in anything besides his sister.
Tweedledum's power is "Magnetfelt", the ability to control the magnetic field around him at will. He has a powerful talent but doesn't stand out on his own because he is usually with his sister. They can even combine their powers and create a super gravity phenomenon called "Windstoﾟ". Between the twins, there has also appeared a power called "Austauschen" which is an advanced form of the sympathetic response between twins.
Even if they are far apart, by resonating their brain waves, they can exchange their consciousness, memories, and powers. As an application of that, they sometimes use it for communication. For Tweedledum, the ties between brother and sister are more important than anything. When they walk together, the reason they look more like long-time lovers or husband and wife is probably due to those strong ties. Perhaps because of that, he seems to have a feeling close to jealousy for the person his sister has a strong interest in, Lumiere.
The nicknames that they call each other are Dledee and Dledum. Especially during a mission, in order to be more professional they have a rule that he will not call her "Sister". However, Tweedledum does not seem able to stick to this rule.

HitokiriShadow

01-31-2010, 01:47 PM

They finally confirm that Q-Fueille was being serious when she said she was almost 8. And we finally learn why Eclipse isn't around. They were almost certainly using the term "giving birth" euphemistically, but there is undoubtedly huge significance to this.

It was also nice to see how Q-Fueille and Ascouer first met. It was pretty cute. Mmmm, face licking.

Suwako Moriya

02-01-2010, 09:49 AM

Clearly important stuff may have happened in this episode, but the main thing to focus on would be Letuchie and her hair.

Suwako Moriya

02-01-2010, 10:27 AM

Ah, so this is essentially one of those "The villains are invincible and everything goes their way" episode.

Which I suppose is fine to keep the good guys from winning early, but it often has two problems.

First, you need a reason why the villains don't just wipe everyone out. Second, you have to explain why the good guys win later...

Is it just me or is that flower thing too automatic?

There seemed to be a lot of "I'll use Y!", "I'll counter Y with X", "I'll counter X with Z" in the episode.

See? This is the downside to plot. Plot has a habit of killing people.

something

02-01-2010, 10:49 AM

See? This is the downside to plot. Plot has a habit of killing people.
At least in Kiddy G* that's not quite the problem it is in other shows. Well not that I have any idea how everything will pan out yet, but still.

I agree that Gakky is just annoyingly omnipotent here. While it makes for an imposing villain, it has to be written carefully. Well, there will be some sort of gimmick to his trick... hopefully not too dumb a gimmick.

Suwako Moriya

02-01-2010, 11:33 AM

See? This is the downside to plot. Plot has a habit of killing people.
At least in Kiddy G* that's not quite the problem it is in other shows. Well not that I have any idea how everything will pan out yet, but still.

Ah, I kind of forgot about that aspect. Well, sooner or later I'll see how things pan out. Yeah, I'm watching episode 10 right now. Trying to catch up with it and other shows.

I agree that Gakky is just annoyingly omnipotent here. While it makes for an imposing villain, it has to be written carefully. Well, there will be some sort of gimmick to his trick... hopefully not too dumb a gimmick.

Or maybe they'll just pull the old "My one weakness is the last episode" routine. Or perhaps Tuxedo Mask will appear and give a speech about shaming roses with evil.

something

02-01-2010, 11:45 AM

Or maybe they'll just pull the old "My one weakness is the last episode" routine. Or perhaps Tuxedo Mask will appear and give a speech about shaming roses with evil.
I think in the end I'll be happy with any solution as long as it is fueled by the power of Ascoeur and Q-feuille's love. Di-air [vague Nanoha StrikerS spoiler] can be their Vivio.

Draneor

02-01-2010, 11:49 AM

See? This is the downside to plot. Plot has a habit of killing people.

Amen. I will rage if they kill off Di-Air.

Suwako Moriya

02-01-2010, 12:05 PM

Quite the depressing atmosphere. Even during the fanservice part. Ascoeur and Q-Feuille clearly need a hug.

The very fact that G Society would even bring harm to Di-Air confirms them as pure evil. As only pure evil would harm her.

Interesting to see Ascoeur and Q-Feuille use those skills.

something

02-01-2010, 01:37 PM

Amen. I will rage if they kill off Di-Air.
I have a feeling she's going to end up being remarkably unkillable. I won't be surprised if she turns out to be the most powerful character in the show.

...I have no idea what the hell I'm basing that on but it's my gut feeling.

(Note to anyone who replies, just remember this is in the ep 9 subthread... not that there's anything to spoil on this count yet. I felt this way even back at ep 9 anyway.)

Suwako Moriya

02-01-2010, 02:53 PM

So the purpose of this episode was to spend quality time with G Society.

I'm half-expecting G Society to get *****ed over by their own leader.

Suwako Moriya

02-01-2010, 03:52 PM

For some reason the idea of Eclair being considered a mother amused me and I'm not sure why. Oh, and this episode was a history lesson.

Suwako Moriya

02-01-2010, 04:16 PM

The trio spends most of their time in swimsuits. Therefore the episode is good.

Got to love Ascoeur's birthmark.

Typhon is quite the amusing robot. A robot with an influence that might be good or bad depending on how you look at it.

Suwako Moriya

02-01-2010, 04:45 PM

At last, we find out Q-feuille and Ascoeur how started dating each other. Note, I don't care if "dating" is inaccurate. My delusional mind wants to consider it that way.

Ingraman

02-04-2010, 12:40 AM

After watching Cross Game episode 43 for the fifth time since Sunday...

Yikes, this was kind of another crazy episode. I'm not sure that some people will forgive them for "wasting" half an episode, however much they attempted to tie it into the story with Shade's "mission", but again it was good fun.

What I learned from the first half of the episode was that Trixie, Troisienne, and all of the other ES-members are terrible students who had to repeat years in high school until Q-feuille and Ascœur caught up with them. ^_^; I was fine with their teacher, and the principal was not in the least surprising.

I loved how they carried the theme of last episode's eyecatches into this week's. Snow White with hot dog was great, and probably the second time that I've laughed since the start of the series.

Then we had a rather good (but somewhat telegraphed) second half of the show. This is close to what I wanted to see from the series.

Overall, another pretty atmospheric dose of exposition that really has the story rolling, can't wait to see where it goes from here.I'm finally looking forward to an episode. ^_^ It just took a little longer to get moving, and I hope that it goes well from here.

Shiroi Hane

02-04-2010, 12:36 PM

Q-feuille is the (confortable) prisoner of the G-Society - with total amnesia. She does remember one thing - Ascoeur's name - until Shade brainwashes her into thinking she's Geacht'er's little sister. Next week, watch Letuchaia explode in a jealous rage.

Fudce

02-04-2010, 12:38 PM

watch Letuchaia explode in a jealous rage.

It's still a week away and I'm already squirming due to the potential cuteness.

HitokiriShadow

02-04-2010, 01:20 PM

Ascouer and Q-Fueille finally kiss! Too bad it was in a dream and they were only for a play, at that.

This time they give us a nice clear view of the Trixie and Trois graves. It shows us that Troisenne's last name is Lumiere not Eclaire (since they apparently couldn't make up their minds before), but no real surprises as far as I could tell.

I swear they come up with a new spelling for Gacktear's name every episode. His connection with Ascoeur was interesting, though not terribly surprising by the time the episode addressed it, as I remembered Ascouer's birthmark and connected it with his use of roses about the time he killed the security guys. Still, some very interesting information and leaves me even more interested in what kind of secret Q-Fueille might have. We know about her connection with Eclipse but we don't know what it might mean and there are some very big holes to fill in that little story.

I'm kind of ambivalent towards Ascouer in general, but I really liked her scene at the end when she told Gacktear to fuck off. "They're my friends!"

ilmaestro

02-04-2010, 06:01 PM

Oh, did this actually air this week? So it was just one broadcaster maybe who was re-showing ep 16? I hadn't even been looking for it, thinking it was not until next week.

Shiroi Hane

02-04-2010, 06:34 PM

It was just Sun Television for whatever reason.
http://www.kiddygirl-and.com/info/broadcast.html#100129

ilmaestro

02-04-2010, 09:09 PM

Cheers.

Fencedude

02-05-2010, 12:30 AM

Hey, why were diving into Ascouer's Cosmosphere?!

Anyway, interesting episode. Gakky's a tad overpowered, but they gave a good explanation for why Ascouer and Q-feuille could partner like they did.

Nice to see better views of Trixie and Troi's graves, confirming Troi's connection to Lumiere.

I loled that they were doing specifically the DISNEY version of Snow White.

Draneor

02-05-2010, 05:41 PM

The first half was perfect. Seifuku, sukumizu, buruma, and Ascoeur and Q-feuille kissing. I think I may like this setting much better.

As for the second half, god fucking dammit. Exactly what I did not want to happen happened. Ascoeur had to be related to that dainty blond dumbass. Now she'll probably end up betraying or being forced to betray Q-feuille and Di-Air before ultimately coming back to her senses. I hate that plot line. Fuck.

Ingraman

02-05-2010, 07:14 PM

As for the second half, god fucking dammit. Exactly what I did not want to happen happened.

Yeah, it's definitely not perfect, and seems to be heading in a very common and imperfect direction. It was still a nice change from the poor (and also unoriginal) first half.

Now she'll probably end up betraying or being forced to betray Q-feuille and Di-Air before ultimately coming back to her senses. I hated that plot line. Fuck.That's what I'm expecting, unfortunately. I'm not wild about that sort of plot, either.

Fencedude

02-05-2010, 07:15 PM

It was still a nice change from the poor (and also unoriginal) first half.

"Unorginal" Seriously? Thats the best you can do?

Draneor

02-05-2010, 07:28 PM

That's what I'm expecting, unfortunately. I'm not wild about that sort of plot, either.

Well, no. I don't have any issue with that plot line because it's "unoriginal." It's because I love Ascoeur, Di-Air and Q-feuille, and I don't want to see them hurt. Also, there's nothing a character can make do that will make me hate them more than betraying a friend.

Thankfully, Ascoeur was able to resist dickhead's mind control this time, but I fear next time she won't or that he'll kill either Di-Air and Q-feuille to shock her or eliminate the barriers.

Ingraman

02-05-2010, 10:04 PM

"Unorginal" Seriously? Thats the best you can do?

You wanted me to use more adjectives?

something

02-06-2010, 09:17 PM

Episode 15:

- Schoolgirl Ascoeur is late for school? WHY IS SHE NOT EATING TOAST!? You're doing it wrong!
- Hahaha, Sommer is the class rep! Hiver is the teacher.
- Ascoeur is in the drama club with Q-feuille and Di-air!
- Q-feuille is Ascoeur's neighbor!
- School swimsuits fuuuuuuuck yes! Di-air in her innertube. XD 'Dee has such great hair.
- The school cafeteria has pumpkin pudding!
- Trix and Troi!!Oh even if it's a dream it's nice to see them. Especially in serafuku. And Troi's ponytail is magnificent.
- Magical wand!
- Snow White... and Di-air plays one of the dwarves. XD
- Ascoeur almost kissed Q-feuille!
- Trix grabbing Ascoeur's ass! Troi sucking her finger! WHERE IS MY SPINOFF SERIES?
- I bet Di-air could pull off the kissing scene with no problem!
- So, when is this going to go horribly wrong? Gakky can't be far off.
- And they kiss! It was real, play or no play!
- And they kiss some more! A very nice kiss!
- Two cute girls join the drama club. They want to kiss too!
- Trix and Troi graduate. ;_; Troi passes the (magical) baton!
- AHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA! Hooooooly fuck. I was thinking the Principal would be, like, Eclair's son but oh god it's TAMA!
- And that's where Ascoeur wakes up. :sd: Ascoeur dreams of making out with Q-feuille! This is unarguable fact1
- Oh god not the hotdogs again...
- Hah. Shade is no less magnificently gay than Ascoeur or Q-feuille. God he wants Gak so bad.
- So Shade was giving Ascoeur the bizarro dreams. Kimono Ascoeur! Nurse Acsoeur! Policewoman Ascoeur! Nekomimi Mahou Shoujo Card Captor Ascoeur! Ascoeur Potter >_>
- But I guess Gak having to research Ascoeur throws a wrench in my theory that he made her like Eclipse made Q-feuille. Still, maybe not. Having Shade investigate her doesn't mean Gak doesn't necessarily know how Ascoeur came about.
- There's the gravestones again. Troi's is still unclear.
- And suddenly VERY clear in the next shot! It does, indeed, say Lumiere. Of course knowing everything else we do between the last time we saw these and now, it's at least as likely that Eclair and Lumiere are just titles nowadays, as anything else.
- So Gak really does appear before Ascoeur, not just in her dreams. KILL HIM, ASCOEUR!!
- See, Ascoeur can't say that name either.
- Gak has the same birthmark as Ascoeur. I'm back to being quite confident that he created her.
- ...Sister! Well, close enough!
- Another Liese-Lotte? It seems like such an uncommon name but I remember it from, at the very least, this, Nanoha and 11eyes now. Well, granted, I guess it's not necessarily uncommon in its native language.
- His power definitely seems to be teleportation as well, only with much, much greater speed and precision. It's like he's blinking in and out instantly as the blows reach him. His rose attack also maybe something like teleporting the blood out of people's bodies.
- Oh thanks ass, just go and reveal that your power is actually something else literally 5 seconds after I finish typing and unpause. JERK!
- Fuck yeah Ascoeur! More badass powers like that please.

God damn that episode was amazing in two completely different ways. WANT MORE RIGHT NOW.

something

02-06-2010, 09:23 PM

Thankfully, Ascoeur was able to resist dickhead's mind control this time, but I fear next time she won't or that he'll kill either Di-Air and Q-feuille to shock her or eliminate the barriers.
I can't see them killing off either Ascoeur or Q-feuille. There's no way they don't end this series still as partners. Any death will be temporary, if they go that far.

And Di-air can't die. She could probably take any three characters in this show combined, provided she awakens to just whatever the hell she is. I think there's more chance of her being the final boss than her dying. =P

Fencedude

02-07-2010, 06:47 PM

Interesting turn of events this episode.

Saphir has a very interesting accent, she slurs her words in a way I don't really recognize.

Fencedude

02-07-2010, 07:13 PM

Yay! Letuchaia was 100x awesome!

I like where they are going with this, it should provide for lots of awesome in just a little bit.

Fencedude

02-07-2010, 07:17 PM

watch Letuchaia explode in a jealous rage.

It's still a week away and I'm already squirming due to the potential cuteness.

It will be 1000x awesomeness, for sure.

something

02-07-2010, 07:52 PM

Episode 16:

- Haha, Saphir is going AWOL because Geach isn't giving her enough attention?
- Ascoeur is a remote imouto! I think her drive to strengthen herself and take things more seriously could do
interesting things for her character, but please don't let her get too serious.
- "Ascoeur and a guy?" Bwahahahahahaa, yeah right.
- Huh, I genuinely don't know if Saphir is serious about defecting. Her plea seems pretty fake but there's no reason to have that scene with Rubis at the start if it's just a G-Society mission. Then again, could just be that Geach didn't tell Rubis about it. And even if Rubis really defected, she'd still likely want to kill Ascoeur. So... yeah.
- Haha, wtf? Di-air has a seat at the controls too? I wonder if it's like those fake steering wheels they give kids to play with in cars...
- Shivering Di-air~
- Okay the battle on the ice planet seemed way too much like a choreographed act. This is all a set-up.
- "Without Saphir, the popsicles will melt!" Bwhahaha.
- Well, Saphir revealed her intentions sooner than I expected. It was indeed the "secret mission even Rubis can't know about" angle.
- Nasty ice woman. But Di-air to the rescue! And a nice save by Q-feuille but now she's captured. =(

Ah... pretty sure I know where the next episode is going just from the title.

something

02-07-2010, 08:24 PM

Episode 17:

- Yep... amnesia. Well, can't complain really, it does very much fit in with her ongoing memory loss problems. It's not just a completely arbitrary plot device this time. And really, who expected it to be Q-feulle in this situation? It totally screamed Ascoeur. This is certainly interesting.
- Well, there are a number of things that Geach could use Q-feuille for, but I imagine Ascoeur bait is pretty high on the list.
- Q-feuille is of the same origins as Saphir and Rubis, and probably most of the others too. Rubis thinks she's cute! (She's right.)
- Amnesiac Q-feuille is amazingly naive, but I guess that's to be expected.
- Boy Rubis and Saphir are pissed. Also to be expected based on their past... 25 years of that, sheesh.
- Letty again, been quite awhile since we saw her. With her wanting to be Geach's little sister she's going to hate Ascoeur even more than Saphir.
- Deep down, Q-feuille remembers Ascoeur! She can't forget her wife, duh.
- Man, Q-feuille writes amazingly cleanly with lipstick. ...Lipstick! ECLAIR! Take it off the mirror and break otu with it! Well maybe not, but I can't not make the connection. :sd:
- Oh boy, now Q-feuille thinks she's Geach's sister...

Sister Princess! Haha. And Q-feuille in the bath with Letty!

Fencedude

02-07-2010, 08:32 PM

Sister Princess! Haha. And Q-feuille in the bath with Letty!

Gakky's really just a massive sis-con.

Also the Imoutosplosion next episode with be 5x hilarious.

something

02-07-2010, 08:41 PM

Gakky's really just a massive sis-con.
He's already got three, and Di-air seems like she was made to be his sister (I still think she might be) so it could be four! Imoutos everywhere...

ilmaestro

02-07-2010, 09:58 PM

Saphir has a very interesting accent, she slurs her words in a way I don't really recognize.
It's Kyoto-ben. You usually hear Osaka-ben when characters are given a Kansai dialect, so that might be why it's slightly escaping you.

Fencedude

02-07-2010, 10:04 PM

Ingraman

02-08-2010, 03:45 PM

Episode 16:

- I think her drive to strengthen herself and take things more seriously could do interesting things for her character, but please don't let her get too serious.

After that awful dialogue via the floating screen with Rubis, I don't think that you have to worry about that. ;_;

- Huh, I genuinely don't know if Saphir is serious about defecting. I was hoping to be surprised, and find out that it was real, but no such luck.

- Haha, wtf? Di-air has a seat at the controls too? I wonder if it's like those fake steering wheels they give kids to play with in cars...Having three control yokes for a ship seems a little excessive. I'd rather have Wakamoto Norio at the controls than Diair.

- "Without Saphir, the popsicles will melt!" Bwhahaha.That was almost as fun as the hot dogs. ^_^

Ah... pretty sure I know where the next episode is going just from the title.I don't know the title, so I'll just have to be surprised. I'll get around to watching it sometime. Nodame's got a higher priority (as did Cross Game, Sora no Woto, Railgun and Hiiragi's show).

Shiroi Hane

02-08-2010, 06:10 PM

- Haha, wtf? Di-air has a seat at the controls too? I wonder if it's like those fake steering wheels they give kids to play with in cars...
I said the same thing (http://anime.thenexxus.org/blog/archives/2010/01/kiddy-girl-and-17.html) ^^;

HitokiriShadow

02-08-2010, 10:00 PM

Saphir really still working for Gacktear (or whatever his name is this week) was entirely predictable but it still made for a fun situation and had some interesting results.

HitokiriShadow

02-08-2010, 10:36 PM

Well, this is an interesting direction to go with Q-Feuille.

It was also nice to finally get some backstory on Rubis and Saphir.

HitokiriShadow

02-08-2010, 10:40 PM

ilmaestro

02-08-2010, 10:51 PM

Clever episode, I thought. Nice unexpected direction to go in with Q, and well structured enough to bring in more backstory as well as some comedy.

If next week's ep was just the preview and nothing else it already looks like it's on to a winner.

Shiroi Hane

02-08-2010, 11:03 PM

Gacktear (or whatever his name is this week)
It's been officially "Geacht'er" since (http://anime.thenexxus.org/blog/archives/2009/12/kiddy-girl-and-7.html) his name was added to the database (http://www.kiddygirl-and.com/database/) on the official site.

Draneor

02-11-2010, 12:01 AM

Never trust evil. They will not have a change of heart. Trusting them will come back and bite you in the arse. Instead, always slay them immediately.

Also, fuck at the ending. I guess now it will be Q-feuille who will join the dark side due to her lack of memories.

Fencedude

02-11-2010, 12:23 AM

Never trust evil. They will not have a change of heart. Trusting them will come back and bite you in the arse. Instead, always slay them immediately.

You really want to take that position?

Draneor

02-11-2010, 12:30 AM

Fencedude

02-11-2010, 12:33 AM

You really want to take that position?

There's no redemption for those who kill innocent people. So yes. I've always followed Saito's philosophy when it comes to anime. I have no tolerance whatsoever for any evil character. And more importantly, it's always a trap.

It must be nice, to be able to view things in such a black and white manner.

So no forgiveness, ever, for anyone?

Draneor

02-11-2010, 12:41 AM

So no forgiveness, ever, for anyone?

I'm sorry. I'm supposed to forgive a character who slaughtered thousands of innocents, including helping to kill two characters I liked, just because they might have had a change of heart? Fuck that. I want justice not redemption.

It's quite clear that Saphir still doesn't give a shit about human life, given she slaughtered the researchers. So why should I care about hers?

Fencedude

02-11-2010, 12:53 AM

I'm sorry. I'm supposed to forgive a character who slaughtered thousands of innocents, including helping to kill two characters I liked, just because they might have had a change of heart? Fuck that. I want justice not redemption.

It's quite clear that Saphir still doesn't give a shit about human life, given she slaughtered the researchers. So why should I care about hers?

I'm not, particularly, discussing Saphir here, though I think you aren't looking at things from her perspective. She certainly isn't pure as the driven snow, far from it, but dividing everyone into "Good" and "Evil" with absolutely no in between is going to paint you into a corner.

And "thousands of innocents"? Do you have a specific event in mind for this? Granted they've been around a long time, but...

Draneor

02-11-2010, 01:11 AM

I'm not, particularly, discussing Saphir here, though I think you aren't looking at things from her perspective. She certainly isn't pure as the driven snow, far from it, but dividing everyone into "Good" and "Evil" with absolutely no in between is going to paint you into a corner.

Well, I'm writing in the context of Saphir, but it does apply to other characters like a certain someone from Index. I'm sure she has a "very good" reason and I have watched 17. But such back stories invoke little sympathy from me since I don't believe past injustice justifies present injustice.

As for a strict good/evil division, I'd consider most character neutral, but it depends on the show. To be honest, I don't really consider alignment for most anime. There are certain actions, though, that I always consider "evil": betraying a friend without remorse and killing without remorse not in defense of one's life or another's.

And "thousands of innocents"? Do you have a specific event in mind for this? Granted they've been around a long time, but...

It was an exaggeration. I was thinking of the anniversary party raid, specifically, along with what she just did. Sure, it sounds like the government is pretty messed up too, but I'm not exactly feeling any sympathy for the rebels either. "Disenfranchised nobles" isn't exactly a sympathetic start as it is.

Fencedude

02-11-2010, 01:18 AM

As for a strict good/evil division, I'd consider most character neutral, but it depends on the show. To be honest, I don't really consider alignment for most anime. There are certain actions, though, that I always consider "evil": betraying a friend without remorse and killing without remorse not in defense of one's life or another's.

We should probably move this into the 17 subthread, but I think I can manage here.

Now, I'm not going to say that Saphir (or Rubis, or Torch or Shade) are good, but I'm not willing to condemn them as irredeemably evil. Are you going to extend this same condemnation to Letuchaia and Pauki? They are complicit in much of what you accuse Saphir of (most notably assisting in the murder of Trixie and Trois), but by all appearances, both of them really believe that they are doing the right thing, they, as far as they know, are the "good" guys.

Now, I am completely willing to put forth Geacht'er as "evil", his actions and what little we know of his motivations, truely do deserve condemnation and scorn, and not the least for what he is doing to the Shadow Workers.

Draneor

02-11-2010, 01:39 AM

Are you going to extend this same condemnation to Letuchaia and Pauki?

Point taken. I'm not. Partly because they're children and partly because, as you said, they don't seem to understand they're not the "good guys". From what I recall, Letuchaia, in particular, was once a commoner. Then she has her grandmother to think about. I don't recall Pauki doing anything particularly objectionable, other than being an accomplice with the aforementioned murder of Trixie and Trois, and they might have considered that a war situation.

I confess I haven't paid much attention to Torch and Shade. Being guys, I kind of filter them out.

Really. I'm just angry. Had it turned out differently, my feelings may have changed. But after being burned majorly by a certain two-cour summer/fall anime that did the exact same thing, I've lost my patience for "good guys" who walk into a trap unprepared and then do really dumb things.

Now, I am completely willing to put forth Geacht'er as "evil", his actions and what little we know of his motivations, truely do deserve condemnation and scorn, and not the least for what he is doing to the Shadow Workers.

I don't get why his harem even works for him. Letuchaia is too young to know he's using them and playing them off each other, but some of the others clearly do.

Fencedude

02-11-2010, 01:41 AM

Moving this to the episode 17 thread

Fencedude

02-11-2010, 01:44 AM

Really. I'm just angry. Had it turned out differently, my feelings may have changed. But after being burned majorly by a certain two-cour summer/fall anime that did the exact same thing, I've lost my patience for "good guys" who walk into a trap unprepared and then do really dumb things.

Which one? I'm sure I watched it, but I'm not connecting the dots.

I don't get why his harem even works for him. Letuchaia is too young to know he's using them and playing them off each other, but some of the others clearly do.

Well, for one, he saved Rubis and Saphir's lives. They owe him that at least, and he's giving them the chance to strike back at the people who tortured them for TWENTY FIVE YEARS.

Torch and Shade's motivations are still unclear, other than the fact that they are ex-Galaxy Police. We may find out about their motivations soon though.

And I'm not going to discount that Gakky may be using some form of compulsion on them. He has really major holds on Saphir, Shade and Letuchaia especially.

Draneor

02-11-2010, 01:56 AM

Which one? I'm sure I watched it, but I'm not connecting the dots.

Umineko. Problem was I wanted to believe.

Well, for one, he saved Rubis and Saphir's lives. They owe him that at least, and he's giving them the chance to strike back at the people who tortured them for TWENTY FIVE YEARS.

They're not striking back at those people but others. Killing their torturers would make sense. Fighting the entire galactic government doesn't. Also, it didn't appear to me that their previous bosses treated them any better so why fight to put them back in power?

Fencedude

02-11-2010, 02:06 AM

Which one? I'm sure I watched it, but I'm not connecting the dots.

Umineko. Problem was I wanted to believe.

Oh yeah, well, yeah. I'm still upset, personally.

They're not striking back at those people but others. Killing their torturers would make sense. Fighting the entire galactic government doesn't. Also, it didn't appear to me that their previous bosses treated them any better so why fight to put them back in power?

While they weren't treated great by the Noblesse, they were sure as heck treated better than they were by the "commoners" afterwords. And considering that they refused to switch their allegiances to the new government, despite the threat (and use) of torture, they seemed to have an actual allegiance to the previous regime. Which shows that they are, at least, loyal to their chose ideology. That may be somewhat stupid of them, but its admirable, in a way.

Shiroi Hane

02-12-2010, 10:33 PM

There's some bad animation and some so-so service but the interesting bit is an updated profile for Q-feuille:

Q-feuille
GTO warrant ES-member
rank: C-
birth: SC0372 21 Sep.
age: 7
sign: Gemini
Blood type: A
hair_raven locks hair
Quatre-feuille IV Lumiere
SP-Ability: Parfum
Items: Choco Bon Bomb

Trixie and Troisienne were only 13 and we also find the names of their predecessors, Uniear, Uni-ace, Duerry and Dionie. They were created by the GEMINI (Gene-tec Echo Materialize Integrated Neo-human Incubation) Project.

something

02-14-2010, 06:48 PM

Episode 18:

- Uhh, jeeze, pretty casual way to drop a gigantic plot bomb like that. What the hell? The UGG is transferring GTO functions to G-Society? Seriously? I mean, aren't there all sorts of fairly major ramifications to that? :sd:
- 'Dee's character design still manages to strike me as way too awesome every time I see it.
- Yeah, the animation is a bit wonky in this episode. Mostly with faces while in motion. There's plenty of cute shots too though.
- Hmmmm! Hiver can walk right through Ascoeur's power? And bring Sommer with her if he holds onto her.
- Hahaha, god this personality is so wrong for Q-feuille. Her new outfit isn't bad, though it's not as hot as her ES outfit.
- ...ALthough I think it manages to emphasize her boobs even more.
- Poor Letuch. She's pretty bad at this. But Q-feuille is softening her up!
- BATHING!! Q-feuille looks great with Letuch. I think Q-feuille subconsciously has a thing for pink haired girls.
- Uh oh, they got Ascoeur at a computer. Information dump time! Trix and Troi are "younger" than Ascoeur, huh.
- Ahhhhh! The cloning plan, to create ES members with the same power and stop the explosion... Uni/Uni, Du/Di, Tri/Tro. So Trix and Troi are, like their tombstones note, the third attempt.
- AH! The Q stands for Quatre! Quatre-feuille IV Lumiere.
- Ascoeur grabs her breasts! Pokkyun!
- So the big remaining question is how Ascoeur became compatible with Q-feuille. She seems naturally inclined to wield the Eclair half of the duo but she wasn't, at least officially, a creation of the Gemini project. In fact if she's really more than 7 years old then she can't be part of the fourth round. So what was that facility she was seemingly at with Geach, and were they intentionally trying to put something like Eclair's powers into her or is it natural? Well, the other big remaining question is what's up with Di-air...
- Gah, they have Q-feuille attacking the GTO already. Talk about an emotional gut-punch for Ascoeur.

Since they're meeting so early, I have some hope they'll free Q-feuille from Geach's control before the end. Otherwise I'm curious how they'll be able to keep Q-feuille on that side for so long... Regardless, the plot has been coming together really well, so I'm impressed.

Fencedude

02-14-2010, 08:01 PM

Since they're meeting so early, I have some hope they'll free Q-feuille from Geach's control before the end. Otherwise I'm curious how they'll be able to keep Q-feuille on that side for so long... Regardless, the plot has been coming together really well, so I'm impressed.

Well, Q-feuille needs to be brought back so that she and Ascouer can save Eclair and Lumiere and then they can all go and kick Geacht'er's butt.

I wonder what happened to the two previous pairs?

Though I guess considering that they were based on Eclair and Lumiere, they probably got themselves killed doing something noble and self-sacrificing.

something

02-14-2010, 08:33 PM

I wonder what happened to the two previous pairs?
Though I guess considering that they were based on Eclair and Lumiere, they probably got themselves killed doing something noble and self-sacrificing.
The I pair only seemed to make it to age 3, ouch. The IIs made it to 10, and our IIIs to 13. IV to 7 (almost 8!) so far. We already know there was overlap between III and IV (more than seven years of it), so there was likely a little overlap between II and III. I wonder how Trix and Troi got along with Duerry and Dionie?

I also wonder if any of the pairs ever knew why it was they were created. Q-feuille didn't, but since she was "incomplete" that's understandable. I guess I never really caught whether Trix and Troi knew.

Fencedude

02-14-2010, 08:45 PM

And of course we are still left with the biggest mystery. Just who, or what, is Di-air anyway?

I don't think the fact that she and Q-feuille are both 7 (almost 8!) is a coincidence.

Shiroi Hane

02-15-2010, 04:50 AM

Uhh, jeeze, pretty casual way to drop a gigantic plot bomb like that. What the hell? The UGG is transferring GTO functions to G-Society? Seriously? I mean, aren't there all sorts of fairly major ramifications to that? :sd:
Right after the anniversary event they said that public opinion was with G-society thanks to their ploy and they were being considered as a replacement for the GTO, and they also have at least one person high up in the UG (Virgil).

AH! The Q stands for Quatre! Quatre-feuille IV Lumiere.
Ah, found out about the Quatre thing last November (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kiddy_Girl-and&action=historysubmit&diff=326076236&oldid=326072763). Guess I didn't disseminate it far enough.

the other big remaining question is what's up with Di-air...
Given she's the same age as Q-feuille I can think of two possibilities: she is some part of a failed attempt at creating a parter for Q-feuille or she is somehow Eclipse reborn, but as a baby like Chevalier and won't be of any "use" until she matures.

Since they're meeting so early, I have some hope they'll free Q-feuille from Geach's control before the end.
I'm assuming this "resonance" in their powers will play a part somehow.

Fencedude

02-15-2010, 05:10 AM

Given she's the same age as Q-feuille I can think of two possibilities: she is some part of a failed attempt at creating a parter for Q-feuille or she is somehow Eclipse reborn, but as a baby like Chevalier and won't be of any "use" until she matures.
I'm assuming this "resonance" in their powers will play a part somehow.

I'm thinking she's Eclipse, since I find it hard to believe they'd completely kill her off off screen.

something

02-15-2010, 11:15 AM

Uhh, jeeze, pretty casual way to drop a gigantic plot bomb like that. What the hell? The UGG is transferring GTO functions to G-Society? Seriously? I mean, aren't there all sorts of fairly major ramifications to that? :sd:
Right after the anniversary event they said that public opinion was with G-society thanks to their ploy and they were being considered as a replacement for the GTO, and they also have at least one person high up in the UG (Virgil).
They mentioned that, yes, but it's still a pretty surprising thing to just drop on us. Handing galactic security, more or less, over to G-Society? Jeeze/

Ah, found out about the Quatre thing last November (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kiddy_Girl-and&action=historysubmit&diff=326076236&oldid=326072763). Guess I didn't disseminate it far enough.
I'm kinda glad you didn't, actually, because this scene made for a nice little revelation when you don't know in advance. I liked seeing it all come together so neatly.

Given she's the same age as Q-feuille I can think of two possibilities: she is some part of a failed attempt at creating a parter for Q-feuille or she is somehow Eclipse reborn, but as a baby like Chevalier and won't be of any "use" until she matures.
I keep adamantly believing her hair color is significant, so I'd probably favor the latter scenario. Although the question of why they'd bring her back as a baby is a good one. Intentional? Or all the could manage? I wonder if there were any KGrade characters with a dislike of pronouns and honorifics and indirect forms of address...

Shiroi Hane

02-15-2010, 03:26 PM

Ah, found out about the Quatre thing last November (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kiddy_Girl-and&action=historysubmit&diff=326076236&oldid=326072763). Guess I didn't disseminate it far enough.
I'm kinda glad you didn't, actually, because this scene made for a nice little revelation when you don't know in advance. I liked seeing it all come together so neatly.
The revelation about Trixie being the "Third Éclair" came later and I honestly hadn't connected it with the four in Q-feuille's name until they spelt it out now.

HitokiriShadow

02-15-2010, 11:24 PM

I'm really not fond of Q-Feuille's new "Onii-sama, onii-sama" personality, but Letuchia 10,000 times makes up for it.

Some interesting new details relating to Eclipse and Q-Feuille were revealed and the episode ends on an interesting note.

Fudce

02-16-2010, 07:08 AM

I'm really not fond of Q-Feuille's new "Onii-sama, onii-sama" personality, but Her new outfit and Letuchia 10,000 times makes up for it.

There. I've corrected your post. ;)

Suwako Moriya

02-17-2010, 09:46 AM

That's an interesting dream to have Ascouer.

Geacht'er, given how invincible you are, why do you even need anyone's help?:sweat:

I wonder how much of that sister stuff is even true...

Suwako Moriya

02-17-2010, 10:10 AM

Given her "evil" nature and given that her power involves cold. I think the only way to properly deal with Saphir would be to have her burned to death. It would be almost poetic.

As if I didn't already dislike both her and Rubis, this episode just makes me dislike them even more. The two of them have a rather murderous and almost "demonic" aura to them and it's hard to like such characters.

Also, harm was caused to Di-Air and it's as I've stated before. Those that put Di-Air in danger can't be anything else, but pure evil.

Suwako Moriya

02-17-2010, 10:39 AM

Q-feuille, the name Ascouer is important to you because you're lovers.

I have mixed feelings on the back story for Rubis and Saphir. It does provide a basis for why they're so err angry and it does make some sense.

However in other ways, it feels kind of forced. That and the "We're only murderous because our past sucked" plot reveal is one that's kind of hard to do right.

Problem is this one felt kind of rushed. As if it's supposed to negate several episodes of being *****es in one fell swoop.

Geacht'er clearly doesn't have enough sisters.:sweat:

Shiroi Hane

02-17-2010, 11:01 AM

Geacht'er clearly doesn't have enough sisters.:sweat:
He's clearly never had a real one or he wouldn't be collecting them now. Hence what he told Ascoeur is automatically a lie.

Suwako Moriya

02-19-2010, 05:00 AM

Geacht'er clearly doesn't have enough sisters.:sweat:
He's clearly never had a real one or he wouldn't be collecting them now. Hence what he told Ascoeur is automatically a lie.

At this point, I'm assuming a 50/50 chance of it being lie. I guess it depends on what angle they're going for. As well as what type of major revelation they plan to have.

In any case, thinking a bit more about the whole Rubis and Saphir back story. From their perspective, it's nice that Geacht'er rescued them and all. 25 years of that has to suck and having an end put to it is good.

Even so, I can't help but be suspicious about the whole thing. A group decides to do a long term torture of two two people. Then several years later, a guy just happens to decide to rescue them. I'm not sure why, but something seems off.

Or maybe it's just that Geacht'er gives off such a powerful aura of evil that I can't help but be suspicious and think there's more to it than what was shown in the flashback.

Yes, I realize I should get around to 18+. Maybe later when I feel like it. I might let a few episodes build up first and then play catch up again.

Fencedude

02-23-2010, 01:51 AM

And we were right, Di-air does have Eclipse's powers, though apparently thats all.

Q-feuille is still with G-society though..

Videl

02-24-2010, 07:27 AM

And we were right, Di-air does have Eclipse's powers, though apparently thats all.

Q-feuille is still with G-society though..

now if she just stoped the loli Yuri and got round to bringing back Clairy and Lumie, i'd be happy.

I want bad ass Eclair back, i mean, u'd be peeved after being stuck in a timewarp for 25 years.....

Speaking of Clairy and Lumie........ where's Viola in this series?

Shiroi Hane

02-24-2010, 09:14 AM

Just in case anyone was still holding out any hope - doesn't look like they've done a "proper" OP for the DVDs; the first episode is no different at any rate. Rather than the thick hardback Continuity Files of Kiddy Grade all you get is a 12 page "Contacty File (http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/lh/photo/fW2YhZaoNsXYwnqipaMKEQ?feat=directlink)" and, as I mentioned over in the R2 forum, the LE does not include the RE art meaning for completion you'd need to get both :/
The only off-disc extras are eyecatch postcards which are of limited value (infinitely so compared to the mini figures, cell phone holster, posters, calendar etc that you got with Kiddy Grade).
I'll return once I've finished the disc and had a look at the extras and menus.

Shiroi Hane

02-24-2010, 11:44 AM

Audio is stereo LPCM at 1.5Mbps. Video is usually around 6-7Mbps. No subs naturally.

They haven't included the sponsorship image at the end of the second episode showing the fruitless end of their pudding hunt. From what I gathered from the solicitation there is some sort of expansion of this in the extras though.
Other than the TV spots (including the "male" versions) there's a clean version of both of the regular EDs, but without the chibi's from the second episode on Q-feuille's.
The animate footage is horribly jerky for some reason. I don't know if it is my computer playing up or they just shot this on a cheap digicam. It's now gone completely out of synch. No - it looks like PowerDVD is playing up as it seems OK in BSplayer. It is really odd since restarting the player makes no difference but if I go back to the episodes they still look normal, it is just this live action segment. The last extra is a copyright warning read in-character by Ascoeur over screencaps.
Menu is nothing special, and the extras are all under a single button.

Second disc has the extended "Pumpkin Pudding" segment. Followed by a "visual soundtrack" which might explain why there's still been no OST solicited - it is an isolated soundtrack playing over stills with the track names and comments from the Noriyasu Agematsu. Anyway, there's 50 minutes of this ahead of me so in the meantime..
I've taken some screenshots of the extras so if you like seeing Shiraishi in drag, look no further: http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/shirobane/KIDDYGiRLANDDVDCase01LE

--edit--

actually only 13.5 minutes of music and we're heading into audio drama territory.

--edit--

Got distracted by something else.. but at the end is the Sendai round of the "Kiddy Girl-and Cup", a go-kart race between Shiraishi, the two Aya's, Atsushi Ito (伊藤P), Makoto Chiba (チバ) and Satoshi Yamazaki (ザッキー).

Shiroi Hane

02-25-2010, 03:16 PM

Either Ascoeur really is Liselotte or they have managed to implant some deep memories in her.
Also, G-society have stolen Big Ben.

something

02-25-2010, 05:41 PM

Episode 19:

- Yeah Ascoeur, ignore the pile of bodies and be surprised when Q-feuille isn't glad to see you!
- Haha, jeeze, Ascoeur is totally in denial. Stretchy face!
- Oh wow, that's a bit cheap isn't it? Q-feuille can just stop time and get in close and beat up her opponent. Presumably the same way Geach does people in. The main problem I have with that sort of power is that the only way to beat it is, usually, for the user to be overconfident enough not to use it.
- Di-air is the cutest accessory ever.
- Man, Shade is so hatin' on the imoutos.
- YES! FINALLY DI-AIR RELEASES THE LIMITERS! She can control both time and space! She could totally undo the Time Frozen Space or whatever it's called. So the question remains, just who is she?
- Eclipse... Hah! I kept wondering what Di-Air's relationship could be to Eclipse or Geach but she might *be* Eclipse. Or some sort of clone. Which would totally make perfect sense. Though I didn't remember that Eclipse had those two powers. Only really focused on her resurrection power.
- Hmm, Geach was truly unaware of Di-air. Well, G-Society has pretty much ignored her the whole time.
- Torch/Shade flashback etc.
- Okay, so she took on Eclipse's powers only. She's not Eclipse in any other sense. So Hiver had her tag along with Ascoeur and Q-feuille to develop a team that could free Eclair and Lumiere and stop the explosion.
- Jeeze Di-air is too cute with her hair totally down.

So like... maybe she's aware of the powers she inherited and that's why she's so intent on asserting that Di-air is Di-air, and not anyone else? Anyway, nice to finally get most (but not quite all) of what Di-air is about. I hope to see her go into ass-kicking mode more often.

HitokiriShadow

02-25-2010, 10:59 PM

Well, that more or less explains what's going on with Di-Air. However, they didn't reveal anything about who her parents are and this also leads to the question of how they transferred Eclipse's powers to her.

Fencedude

03-03-2010, 02:53 AM

Either Ascoeur really is Liselotte or they have managed to implant some deep memories in her.
Also, G-society have stolen Big Ben.

I never really doubted that she was exactly what Geacht'er said she was.

Anyway, good episode, Letuchaia's stuff was especially good, she's really not happy right now is she?

Shiroi Hane

03-03-2010, 10:10 AM

Writing this a second time as my browser just vanished. Using the latest episode thread due to spoilers.

The first novel "L³ Legacy Little Lady" arrived today.

Illustrations: http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/shirobane/KiddyGirlAndNovel1

The second novel will be "M³ My Moveless Memory"

I can't really read it, but it seems to generally follow the same plot as the anime, ending with episode 16, although the guys at the back here (http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/lh/photo/rD4pxEXtkaHlj40fUnro-Q?feat=directlink) are only in the manga, Di-air comes in right at the start, and though I've only flicked through the first half the GEMINI project has already been discussed.

Quatre-feuille's full name in katakana is カトル・フィーユ. Her predecessors

ユーニア = Uniear
アニエス = Uni-ace
ヂュエリー = Duerry
ディオーニ = Dionie

Also, Di-air's cute slurs of Q-feuille and Ascoeur are written ク・ぃーユ and アスクーぅ.

It's also only now occurred to me to wonder if the naming of the GEMINI project and Gemini Knives is just a coincidence?

-edit--

A few more bits of katakana I've pulled out -

That G-Society chant that the fansubbers had trouble with is ネメシス・シュヴェルド - Nemesis Schwerd (sword)?

The attack that Ascoeur "inherited" from Trixie is Distortion Chakram (ディストーション・チャクラム), Perseus Aegis (ペルセウス・イージス) is Trois/Q's attack.

Tweedleee's electro-whip is called just that (エレクトロウイップ).

--edit--

I never did get what Di-air's ability, エイ・キュア (A-quare), is supposed to mean. Got the Kanji version: 超高次力伸張. Err.. "super-higher-order power expansion" apparently. Guess is does what it says on the tin.

Shiroi Hane

03-04-2010, 07:07 PM

Guys, you can take the Yuri googles off now - you won't need them.
All you incest lovers get a look in too.

Suwako Moriya

03-04-2010, 08:04 PM

Guys, you can take the Yuri googles off now - you won't need them.

Heh, I like the sound of this. Sometime later I need to catch up with this series. Actually, I skimmed this episode and that scene near the end was just wow.

something

03-07-2010, 08:09 PM

Episode 20:

- Q-feuille wonder why she's never seen the city she's supposedly grown up in. Your memory replacement techniques could use some work, Shade.
- Awwww, Letuch can be so sweet when she wants to (or wants to fake it).
- Wow, Geach has been uncharacteristically sloppy about keeping Q-feuille from finding out she's not really his sister. I also find it absolutely hilarious that G-Society has an official institution of "sister princesses". Geach, you are truly a siscon to outdo all siscons.
- Oops, I guess Letuch couldn't hold it back after all. Q-feuille's memory corrector thingie kicked in and Letuch seemed like she'd be able to bear it but... nope!
- Pauki makes no move to stop her either. Grandma to the rescue?
- Guess not, there's the memory corrector again. And Torch and Shade to deal with it.
- Eyecatch >_>
- Oh god, oh god, Di-air with a TAMA hat. <3
- Oooh, Hiver takes off the glasses. It's serious now.
- Mi-nou reaches new levels of creepy.
- Ascoeur really looks like she's drawn a bit differently in this episode, and I have to say I like it.
- And now we break into G-Society headquarters with just an ES member and a kid. Granted, a kid who can manifest the strongest powers of anyone...
- Woah, sudden flashback to Ascoeur as a young noble.
- And there's Q-feuille.

Mostly setup in this episode, but it's all moving in some really interesting directions.

Shiroi Hane

03-11-2010, 02:47 PM

So, yeah (http://anime.thenexxus.org/blog/archives/2010/03/kiddy-girl-and-27.html)... plot plot plot plot action action Eclair (http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/lh/photo/QLk953_XklbdRdd5XW1BCw?feat=directlink)! Lumiere (http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/lh/photo/HUerw5e4zkAgnLVTOa4new?feat=directlink)!

Ingraman

03-18-2010, 04:19 PM

Guys, you can take the Yuri googles off now - you won't need them.
All you incest lovers get a look in too.

The little one got her chances to glow some more. We get to see that very bad things can happen when Ascœur kisses someone on the lips: Gack't's mental instability was pushed further and he gained his powers when his little sister lip-locked him. Most everything that happens in this series is all her fault? Hmm... Or maybe the galactic disaster was solely to reinforce the 'incest is bad' belief. Neither part of the eyecatch was cute/funny this time. Not much happened this episode, but what little happened was of some importance. It just felt that there was a lot of padding in the scenes to stretch things out. I like yuri in my anime (with and without needing the goggles), but I just don't have any interest in Q-feuille and Ascœur as a couple. Hurry up and get back to the important ones: Éclair/Lumière.

I think that I'll go watch the latest Cross Game episode again, and then some more Aria (the Natural) since my Origination box just showed up.

Fencedude

03-18-2010, 11:32 PM

Now that was a kiss. Holy crap was it ever epic.

something

03-19-2010, 10:48 PM

Episode 21:

- So the whole colony warps. Also, shoot that hairpin off damnit!
- No, no Geach, you do not kiss your sister. In this case, incest is not best. ...I still don't really buy that they're blood related though.
- Yay for Di-air! I love glowy Di-air.
- Silly Q-feuille. Your tears aren't stopping because you're seeing your wife in pain.
- So like, the Rosenburg nobles committed mass protest suicide?
- And okay he really is her brother after all. I was kinda thinking he just considered her as such because of all the time they spent in this facility together.
- Or... maybe that time was a grand total of 10 minutes! Hah. I, uh, don't quite know why Liese-Lotte's way of cheering her brother up was to kiss him full on the mouth. But it clearly awoke both their powers.
- Haha, Geach is such an asshole that even his subordinates are taken aback. Except for Saphir. She's stone cold bitch through and through.
- Shade too, of course.
- Nice save, Ascoeur!
- ...HOLYFUCKINGSHITYES NICE KISS, ASCOEUR!!!!!
- Oh god, on the ground, arms around each other, legs intertwined, making out. YURI IS THE POWER TO MAKE ALL THINGS POSSIBLE!
- They're still kissing!!

YOU ARE THE BEST EPISODE!!!!

something

03-19-2010, 10:50 PM

Now that was a kiss. Holy crap was it ever epic.
Hands down one of the greatest kisses ever. EVER.

Fencedude

03-20-2010, 07:06 PM

Whoo hoo! They're back!

And Saphir has lost it.

something

03-20-2010, 07:39 PM

Episode 22:

- It may be episode 22 but I haven't stopped being disappointed that they never bothered to give us a real OP.
- Oh hey, space battle.
- The kiss was so good it knocked Ascoeur out!
- But stupid Geach took her away ;_;
- You know you're a real bastard when your ruthlessly dedicated henchmen think you're going overboard. Though Saphir and Shade are the really fanatical ones.
- Di-air power up!! And Q-feuille gets her normal uniform back!
- Poor Letty, you've been so duped.
- And now Ascoeur can... escape and kill everyone on Erde Meteor or stay there and kill everyone else in the galaxy. Sure neither choice is good but, really now...
- Something about this whole section feels off. Hard to put a finger on it. Needs more Ascoeur/Q-feuille kissing I guess.
- Haha, Pauki is hot for Tweedledee.
- Well so much for the Shadow Workers.
- Oh and, like, 'sup Eclair and Lumiere. How ya been?

Well, at least two eps left and they should be able to hand it well enough. I just felt like this episode was... just really off. I wasn't really buying into the characters' emotions, or why they acted the way they did. Maybe it was the seiyuu, the writing, the pacing, I'm not sure really. But I do hope the remaining eps tighten that all up a bit.

Advent_Nebula

03-20-2010, 09:56 PM

Anyone make an avatar yet for epic kiss of episode 21?

Fudce

03-20-2010, 10:07 PM

Anyone make an avatar yet for epic kiss of episode 21?
You should pay closer attention to the Blogosphere (http://www.mania.com/aodvb/blog.php?b=2877) on these forums... :)

Shiroi Hane

03-25-2010, 02:45 PM

And they all loved happily ever after (http://anime.thenexxus.org/blog/archives/2010/03/kiddy-girl-and-29.html).

Except the ones who are dead (http://www.thecakeisalie.com/).

ilmaestro

04-01-2010, 08:46 PM

I would say, a pleasing ending overall. It was kind of cool with everyone turning on Gackt in that "you want to do *what*?" kind of way, and they just threw so many things at it, lots of returning characters, lots of fights, lots of energy, that it was pretty fun, if perhaps slightly random. Maybe I didn't buy into Ascoo having any sympathy left for her brother, but apart from that no complaints. I totally bought into Gackt's imouto love, though. Di-air was almost illegally cute over the last few episodes. I could definitely see myself watching the show again once it gets a R1 release, or even maybe picking up the BDs depending on when they actually start releasing them.

Shiroi Hane

04-01-2010, 09:05 PM

First BD is now due out on the 16th. They've just published the cover art as it happens:
http://www.kiddygirl-and.com/dvdgoods/bd_case01.html

William K

04-01-2010, 09:50 PM

First BD is now due out on the 16th. They've just published the cover art as it happens:
http://www.kiddygirl-and.com/dvdgoods/bd_case01.html

By the way, do we ever get an explanation for the title of the show? :)

ilmaestro

04-01-2010, 11:29 PM

First BD is now due out on the 16th. They've just published the cover art as it happens:
http://www.kiddygirl-and.com/dvdgoods/bd_case01.html
Ah, probably too soon for me to fit it in, then. Cheers.

Exciting cover art, mind you. ^_^

Shiroi Hane

04-02-2010, 05:57 AM

By the way, do we ever get an explanation for the title of the show? :)
When it was first annouced, I assumed there was some sort of meaning what with the funky camelcase ala my-HiME but.. apparently not.

Fencedude

04-05-2010, 11:11 PM

So...no one ever made a thread for 23?

Anyway, the bit about Geacht'er's gender was just...random, why include that if its just going to be a passing mention?

Good episode overall though, the piece of music used at the end of the episode, and the final scene of Ascouer leaping off of Mistral was pretty cool.

Fencedude

04-06-2010, 12:05 AM

Ok, can we now have a show purely about Eclair/Lumiere/Ascouer/Q-Feuille/Di-air going out and saving the galaxy and having hot five-way lesbian sex?

Please?

Anyway, good ending, though bringing back Dextera/Sinistra and Viola/Cesario only to have them do...nothing was kinda random. Though I guess having Viola suction up the entire bomb with her power may have been slightly anti-climactic.

And I'm not getting the Mi-nou reference, are we supposed to know who he is?

Ingraman

04-06-2010, 01:45 AM

Episode 22:

I just felt like this episode was... just really off. I wasn't really buying into the characters' emotions, or why they acted the way they did. Maybe it was the seiyuu, the writing, the pacing, I'm not sure really. But I do hope the remaining eps tighten that all up a bit.

I kept thinking that the animation was looking worse than it usually did. The character designs seemed to be mostly correct, but motion just looked very stiff and extra-simple.

Ingraman

04-06-2010, 01:52 AM

It's over! Yay!!

I could definitely see myself watching the show again once it gets a R1 release,

I don't want to see it again. There wasn't nearly enough Éclair and Lumière, and two squeaky girls drowned out what benefits Q-feuille provided the show.

or even maybe picking up the BDs depending on when they actually start releasing them.Clannad BD is a much better purchase, as over-priced as it is. ^_^;

Ingraman

04-06-2010, 01:56 AM

Ok, can we now have a show purely about Eclair/Lumiere/Ascouer/Q-Feuille/Di-air going out and saving the galaxy and having hot five-way lesbian sex?

Aren't the newbies a bit too underaged for Éclair/Lumière? They should just stick with the hot hacker from their own show.

And I'm not getting the Mi-nou reference, are we supposed to know who he is?I finished re-watching Kiddy Grade only a couple of weekends ago (although the viewing was spread out over 3-4 months), and I'm not recalling anyone that he's referencing. I wonder if there was any manga or light novel that he might be from.

Shiroi Hane

04-06-2010, 08:52 AM

I've said, elsewhere it would seem, that the only person I can think of for Minu is Dyne who was in the Reverse manga. Basically, the only solo male ES-member I can think of.

Isuzu Inugami

04-07-2010, 10:12 AM

Ok, can we now have a show purely about Eclair/Lumiere/Ascouer/Q-Feuille/Di-air going out and saving the galaxy and having hot five-way lesbian sex?

I could stand a little Rubis in that mix too....

And I'm not getting the Mi-nou reference, are we supposed to know who he is?

He's a vision of what Gachteowawawawhatever could have been had he not been twisted into what he ended up as. That's the only way it's relevant to mention his gender issues, I guess.

No, I have no idea.

I've said, elsewhere it would seem, that the only person I can think of for Minu is Dyne who was in the Reverse manga.

Well maybe he's a nod to the manga then. Although I wonder if Di-air is secretly his partner. Or maybe it's Tama.

Shiroi Hane

04-07-2010, 01:24 PM

Di-air has only been around 7 years so has never met Éclair before.
Not all ES work in pairs - Éclair and Lumière formed a trio with Eclipse for a long time, and neither Veronica nor Bonita appear to have partners.

something

04-07-2010, 05:33 PM

Last Fall series! I remember being somewhat underwhelmed by 22, so here's hoping the last two nail it.

Episode 23:

- "Let's bathe together again." Q-feuille has her priorities straight.
- Di-air likes explosions.
- Oh right, the GTO would have had a fleet in there... jeeze, everyone on those ships just jumped 25 years, essentially. But wait, shouldn't their military technology be hopelessly outdated now?
- Hahaha, Mistral basically tells he humans to gtfo so he can fight for real.
- ::takes a step, looks up and to the side:: That means flashback.
- HAHAHAHA WHAT. Geach is a... hermaphrodite? Either way... WHY? FOR WHAT PURPOSE?
- Hiver and Sommer (er, whichever was the real name) to the rescue. Well, I'd really like to think Geach is done with now, because he's firmly crossed into "very boring villain with very boring 'destroy everything' motives" but there's no way we could be that lucky.
- Lumiere!!! Eclair!!!
- A Lumiere jajaan and a Q-feuille pokkyuun >_>
- Q-feuille is tired. Her breasts heave suggestively.
- Well, everyone's do except for Lumiere. :sd:
- O NO GEACHTER WAS AN ILLUSION ALL ALONG! ...-_-
- Now Rubis is protecting Q-feuille and Tushie is helping the 'Dees out. Which is nice and all but I think that's what 22 lacked. A really good illustration of how these characters decided to defect against their beloved leader. It tried, definitely, but the execution was messy.
- So he has the technology to warp an entire planet...
- ::Q-feuille falls:: ::Geachter sees panties and nosebleeds:: - totally would have been perfect for one of the goofy eyecatches.
- I'd think just bringing the planet that close to Aineas would cause some pretty funky gravitational messes.

Heh nice ending shot. Decent episode overall, all that's really holding it back is that Geachter = Yaaaaaawn. Also his little sexual revelation turned out to be of absolutely no importance, so far anyway >_>

So...no one ever made a thread for 23?
Heh, I was confused when I came in and saw 23 was the last one listed. Then noticed 24 above it. :sd:

something

04-07-2010, 06:12 PM

Episode 24:

- Oh good they're not wasting a minute and a half on that supremely underwhelming OP animation.
- Mi-nou jumps to a completely and uttery ridiculous conclusion! The fact that he's right doesn't change how unlike it is that he would suddenly know that.
- Torch and Shade die a lovers' death. Except writing them off as dead when illusion is their power seems hasty.
- Q-feuille's power is suddenly back?
- Oh hey it's... ...those ES members that didn't show up all series! Viola and... some dude I don't care about because he's not a cute girl.
- Geachter is being ridiculously cooperative while the heroes stand around congratulating themselves and planning. Shade took his eyesight, not his powers, guys.
- Eh I know you're obviously not going to die, Ascoeur, but don't do anything stupid for this retarded brother of yours.
- Pbft, this is where you stay behind only to put him out of his misery, Ascoeur.
- BLAAAAAAAAAAH. Really anime, what does it take? What does someone need to do before you'll stop trying to shove half-assed "redemption" that nobody gives a shit about down our throats? Trying to murder everyone in the galaxy isn't enough?
- Awww, Asceoru is crying, how sad... no, actually not. Not emotional at all, KG-a. Just stupid.
- Okay, fine, Ascoeur and Q-feuille making out again helps make up for some of the stupid.
- This is where their clothes should have dissolved from the force. C'mon guys, don't miss the obvious stuff!
- <_< Mi-nou. Er, was he someone from Kiddy Grade I should remember?
- TorchandShadearealiveI'msoshocked!
- Lumi and Eclaire <3
- "The boy just loved his sister." ...Errrrr, that's some pretty fucking extreme siscon.
- Now Lumi and Eclair can team up with Ascoeur, Q-feuille and Di-air, whee.

Pretty good ending overall, the utterly retarded part aside. Pretty much any issues this show had rest firmly on the G-Society's shoulders, Geachter above all. He's just not interesting, though perhaps he could have been. And by far the weakest writing in the show surrounded his Shadow Workers' personalities in the final arc, especially their supposed-to-be climactic decisions to stay loyal to him or to work against him, none of which felt terribly believable or well executed.

But the best thing from episode one onwards, and the best thing at the end, was Ascoeur x Q-feuille (+ Di-air!). Really, really love them. Worthy successors to Lumiere and Eclair, definitely.

...Even if we still have no idea what Di-air is. I guess we're just supposed to accept her as someone who just happens to have a super useful power for Q-f&A.

Fudce

04-08-2010, 12:47 PM

...Even if we still have no idea what Di-air is. I guess we're just supposed to accept her as someone who just happens to have a super useful power for Q-f&A.

I thought that it was made clear that Di-air was the person who inheritted Eclipse's quant powers after she died - only that she isn't quite in control of her powers yet.

something

04-08-2010, 01:34 PM

I thought that it was made clear that Di-air was the person who inheritted Eclipse's quant powers after she died - only that she isn't quite in control of her powers yet.
There's a logical reason to believing so, yes, but did they preset any direct evidence in the show? The rather... uneven... release schedule on which I was able to watch this didn't lend itself well to remembering details.

Fencedude

04-08-2010, 01:41 PM

pianocello

04-14-2010, 03:42 AM

While I'm sure that better anime will show up in these few months, Kiddy Girl~And is in my opinion, the best anime so far for 2010. Never mind that this show was heavily criticized by others and the various plot holes, I LOVE THIS. I found that this surpasses the original in many ways. I think Ascouer and Q-Feuille is arguably one of the best yuri couples of the year and their kisses are some of the longest and most beautiful in any anime. Even the secondary villains were quite interesting and the plot here made more sense than the original (in spite of some questionable directions).

Daniel_Perales

04-15-2010, 06:58 AM