Upcoming Record of Agarest War PSN title estimated to destroy your hard drive space

[broodwars]

http://www.siliconera.com/2009/12/03/how-big-is-downloadable-record-of-agarest-war/

8-10 GB for a PSN game? There was really no way they could just put this thing out over here on a physical medium?

[Advent_Nebula]

Now I am really glad I imported the U.K. verson for PS3.

[Kaikou]

Going to be looking into the UK version myself, as I'd prefer to have a physical copy and it would require a day or two to download the whole game. Not to mention during that time my connection would be unusable due to bandwidth availability. (300 kB/s down max, so the PS3 would eat all of it up)

Anyone have a link to any detailed reviews on this title? I'm on the fence, but the price is certainly budget friendly on amazon.co.uk.

Is there way to get access to the extra content via a download with the UK version?

[Citizen Klaus]

http://www.siliconera.com/2009/12/03/how-big-is-downloadable-record-of-agarest-war/

8-10 GB for a PSN game? There was really no way they could just put this thing out over her on a physical medium?

8-10 GB isn't all that bad. Dragon Age on Steam was about 12 GB. Took me a couple of days to download, but that's no worse than waiting for physical media to ship.

[Legion]

That's pretty well all the space I have left on my PS3 now.

[Fencedude]

8-10 GB isn't all that bad. Dragon Age on Steam was about 12 GB. Took me a couple of days to download, but that's no worse than waiting for physical media to ship.

Yeah, but PC hard drive space is much more...easily expanded than PS3 HD Space.

[broodwars]

http://www.siliconera.com/2009/12/03/how-big-is-downloadable-record-of-agarest-war/

8-10 GB for a PSN game? There was really no way they could just put this thing out over her on a physical medium?

8-10 GB isn't all that bad. Dragon Age on Steam was about 12 GB. Took me a couple of days to download, but that's no worse than waiting for physical media to ship.

It's pretty bad considering that it's a lot easier to clear space on my PC than it is on my 80 GB PS3. Besides, I don't want to clear out my whole HDD just to play one game. Plus, as smashing mentioned that's guaranteed to just devour your bandwidth for a day or two, and my bandwidth wouldn't be likely to hold out that long without something going wrong.

[Citizen Klaus]

Plus, as smashing mentioned that's guaranteed to just devour your bandwidth for a day or two, and my bandwidth wouldn't be likely to hold out that long without something going wrong.

IIRC, PSN lets you resume paused (or disconnected) downloads. I know Steam does. So disconnects shouldn't be an issue.

[Citizen Klaus]

8-10 GB isn't all that bad. Dragon Age on Steam was about 12 GB. Took me a couple of days to download, but that's no worse than waiting for physical media to ship.

Yeah, but PC hard drive space is much more...easily expanded than PS3 HD Space.

Fair enough. I've got the good fortune to be able to back up my Steam games to a 1 TB disk so that I don't have to download them again when I delete them and later want to reinstall. With the PS3, I'd have to accept that Agarest is probably going to stay on the HDD forever.

[Skywise]

From what I saw of it, it's an SRPG, so I think I'll pass. Question though - did they retain the Japanese voice in any of the international editions?

[Advent_Nebula]

From what I saw of it, it's an SRPG, so I think I'll pass. Question though - did they retain the Japanese voice in any of the international editions?

North American verson is Japanese voice only with text translated in English. No clue on the U.K. verson yet, I don't get it for another 5 days.

[Fencedude]

From what I saw of it, it's an SRPG, so I think I'll pass. Question though - did they retain the Japanese voice in any of the international editions?

As far as I can tell no one bothered to dub it.

[broodwars]

From what I saw of it, it's an SRPG, so I think I'll pass. Question though - did they retain the Japanese voice in any of the international editions?

As far as I can tell no one bothered to dub it.

Which makes me wonder how much they intend to charge for this rather massive PSN title. $20-$25 is about the maximum range I'd try this game for, yet I have a feeling we're looking at probably $40-$50 (if we're lucky, it'll be around $30).

[rainking187]

From what I saw of it, it's an SRPG, so I think I'll pass. Question though - did they retain the Japanese voice in any of the international editions?

As far as I can tell no one bothered to dub it.

Which makes me wonder how much they intend to charge for this rather massive PSN title. $20-$25 is about the maximum range I'd try this game for, yet I have a feeling we're looking at probably $40-$50 (if we're lucky, it'll be around $30).



It's getting a physical Xbox 360 release as well, so it'll be interesting to see if it's priced competitively.

[TnAdct1]

I'm still up in the air when it comes to downloading this game now that I've heard how big the download is going to be. On one side, the size will not be a problem since I installed a 320 GB hard drive onto my PS3 earlier in the year. However, I'm going to have to wait until I find out how much the game is going to cost before I decide whether to download it now or wait until later.

[Draneor]

From what I saw of it, it's an SRPG, so I think I'll pass. Question though - did they retain the Japanese voice in any of the international editions?

Yes. The UK version is Japanese audio only.

[Senku]

Anyone have a link to any detailed reviews on this title? I'm on the fence, but the price is certainly budget friendly on amazon.co.uk.

I couldn't find one, but my two cents is the game is alright so far. The battle system doesn't really break new ground, but it's still fun. I've played SRPGs worse then Agarest. My problem thru the first generation was that I took too many turns, so I didn't unlock any of the nice CGs. (A problem I won't make during 2nd-Gen)


It's getting a physical Xbox 360 release as well, so it'll be interesting to see if it's priced competitively.

Maybe, but with a file that size... Looks like I may not double dip after all.

[Suwako Moriya]

You know when I read this topic title, I thought it was a warning against downloading the game because there was some bug in it.

I still have to decide if the game is even worth getting, but the idea of keeping a game that large on a system doesn't sit well with me for some reason.

[broodwars]

You know when I read this topic title, I thought it was a warning against downloading the game because there was some bug in it.

Dude, I specifically worded that so that if you actually read the title, you wouldn't think that.

[Mateo_home]

Sony should have a rule to not have games released on the PSN network that take up most of the hard drive. Guess they couldn't afford to release limited printings.

[Fencedude]

I find it mindboggling that they expect to sell enough 360 copies to justify a physical release, but not enough PS3 copies.

Sure, the 360 has a larger install base, but...most of that base could not POSSIBLY care less about this game, and would even probably be actively hostile to it.

[Draneor]

I find it mindboggling that they expect to sell enough 360 copies to justify a physical release, but not enough PS3 copies.

Does the PS3 require a higher print run for the US market perhaps? Otherwise, I agree it doesn't make senses.

[HitokiriShadow]

Because I totally needed more reasons not to buy the U.S. PS3 version of this. I'm not about to use that much hard drive space for this game, no matter how little they charge for it or what kind of extra content it has compared to the UK version. I also fully expect them to charge $50-$60 for this release, making the whole situation even more absurd. Then they'll feel completely justified in their decision to release it download only when it sells like crap.

[HitokiriShadow]

I find it mindboggling that they expect to sell enough 360 copies to justify a physical release, but not enough PS3 copies.

Does the PS3 require a higher print run for the US market perhaps? Otherwise, I agree it doesn't make senses.

Maybe they figure they can get a lot more sales on the 360 because of the much larger install base. Which would be an incredibly stupid decision for a number of reasons.

[ADC]

I find it mindboggling that they expect to sell enough 360 copies to justify a physical release, but not enough PS3 copies.
Does the PS3 require a higher print run for the US market perhaps? Otherwise, I agree it doesn't make senses.
Don't know, but that's definitely a possibility. It could account for why the PS3 port of Tales of Vesperia is still not listed for US release, for example. (Not that that's a great loss. The next time I play a Tales game that isn't a colossal disappointment will be the first such time.) Either way, I don't think the size of the download is nearly as much of a barrier to me picking up this game as the subgenre. I keep trying other companies' TRPGs, but for some reason only the FFTs click for me. (Those and FE:TSS, but that's another story for another thread.) That said, if the price is right, who cares if the HDD gets a little tight?

[HitokiriShadow]

It could account for why the PS3 port of Tales of Vesperia is still not listed for US release, for example.

No, we won't be getting the PS3 Vesperia release just because Namco Bandai refuses to release the ports/2nd versions of the Tales games and they aren't likely to start changing that practice now. If they didn't see a reason to release the PS2 version of Symphonia, its highly unlikely they'll see a reason to release the PS3 version of Vesperia. I doubt it has anything to do with higher sales requirements for PS3, though if there was such a thing it would certainly sink even the tiniest possibility of Vesperia PS3 getting released here.

[Fencedude]

Discussion of PS3 HDs makes me remember something I was wondering about, is it possible to use an SSD in an PS3?

[Draneor]

No, we won't be getting the PS3 Vesperia release just because Namco Bandai refuses to release the ports/2nd versions of the Tales games and they aren't likely to start changing that practice now.

Lack of loli pirate is unacceptable! But yeah. Sadly, I'm not counting on it.

[Sensuifu]

Discussion of PS3 HDs makes me remember something I was wondering about, is it possible to use an SSD in an PS3?

yes, it's possible. Practical? No.

[broodwars]

It could account for why the PS3 port of Tales of Vesperia is still not listed for US release, for example.

No, we won't be getting the PS3 Vesperia release just because Namco Bandai refuses to release the ports/2nd versions of the Tales games and they aren't likely to start changing that practice now. If they didn't see a reason to release the PS2 version of Symphonia, its highly unlikely they'll see a reason to release the PS3 version of Vesperia. I doubt it has anything to do with higher sales requirements for PS3, though if there was such a thing it would certainly sink even the tiniest possibility of Vesperia PS3 getting released here.

The non-US release of the PS2 port of Symphonia had more to do with Nintendo buying the translation for the GC release, so Namco-Bandai would have to retranslate everything. But yeah, I'm sad that we probably won't see the PS3 port of Vesperia, since it looked like the first Tales games since Symphonia to not suck.

[Mateo_home]

No, we won't be getting the PS3 Vesperia release just because Namco Bandai refuses to release the ports/2nd versions of the Tales games and they aren't likely to start changing that practice now.

Lack of loli pirate is unacceptable! But yeah. Sadly, I'm not counting on it.

From what I understand Namdai doesn't like to hold a conference to announce one Tales game. Tales of Graces just came out for the Wii in Japan so maybe they're waiting for that. Or they like to repeat history like with Symphonia. But I think that was largely because NOA licensed the game.

EDIT: Beaten.

[Suwako Moriya]

You know when I read this topic title, I thought it was a warning against downloading the game because there was some bug in it.

Dude, I specifically worded that so that if you actually read the title, you wouldn't think that.

That much I realize now, but sometimes I miss a few words in a sentence. Something that I sadly can't blame on anyone else.:sweat:

[Ty]

So, just to clarify, the only disadvantage of importing the UK version is missing out on the extra clothing the female characters are shown in right? Unless the PSN version is priced very reasonably it sounds like importing makes more sense.

[Rhodes]

US release has all the updated content that was on the JP 360 release.

UK release is the original JP PS3 version.

It is rumored that the reason you wont see a US Disc release is cause Sony America insists on discs having English dubs. This is a must or no approval. Work around is that if it is DL only then you dont need a dub. Could be why Yakuza 3 wont be on disc if it gets released, why Bandai is hinting at DL only if it comes out.

As for ToV, Bandai has done ports before... Eternal Sonata for instance is an updated port of the 360 version. I am guessing Bandai wont announce anything till the "exclusive" term is over for the NA/International markets that MS has. The port from 360 to PS3 is done... the new character will need to have the lines dubbed into English and if Bandai doesnt want to do that... it could be the same as above... no English dub no release in NA.

I would write to Sony America and ask em to change their policy on this. If this is indeed the case.... again its only a rumor and not fact.

[HitokiriShadow]

As for ToV, Bandai has done ports before... Eternal Sonata for instance is an updated port of the 360 version. I am guessing Bandai wont announce anything till the "exclusive" term is over for the NA/International markets that MS has. The port from 360 to PS3 is done... the new character will need to have the lines dubbed into English and if Bandai doesnt want to do that... it could be the same as above... no English dub no release in NA.

They've done ports, but I was talking specifically about ports of Tales games, not ports of games in general. The only Tales port they've ever released was the GBA version of Phantasia, and that was the only version of the game they released in the U.S. But the various PSP remakes and other ports to (at the time) current gen systems, along with a bunch of original games, haven't been released here.

[Nork22]

The size doesn't bother me... fact I still have about 100GB left in my 250GB. Just waiting to see what the pricing is.

[superdry]

It is rumored that the reason you wont see a US Disc release is cause Sony America insists on discs having English dubs. This is a must or no approval.


I would not be surprised if there is some truth to this considering other rumors I have heard regarding Sony America's policy for bringing games here.


The port from 360 to PS3 is done... the new character will need to have the lines dubbed into English and if Bandai doesnt want to do that... it could be the same as above... no English dub no release in NA.


Who know's if Namco wants to spend the extra money to get the voice actors in to dub new lines or the voice actor's schedules are quite busy.

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Anywho....back on topic. I was quite surprised on the size of the Agarest download. But, if you have a solid, not necessarily, fast connection it should take a few hours (one of the Aksys employees mentioned that the download from his house took a few hours). And, the people who would buy such a game probably have a good internet connection and have or can upgrade the PS3 hard drive.

I'll probably pick up the 360 version since it'll come on disc. I could pick up the European release, but I hear the translation is not the best even though the limited edition does tempt me.

[Fencedude]

Anywho....back on topic. I was quite surprised on the size of the Agarest download. But, if you have a solid, not necessarily, fast connection it should take a few hours (one of the Aksys employees mentioned that the download from his house took a few hours). And, the people who would buy such a game probably have a good internet connection and have or can upgrade the PS3 hard drive.


The harddrive space is a much bigger issue than the download time, as long as it can recover a stopped download, its a non-issue.

[Skywise]

I find it mindboggling that they expect to sell enough 360 copies to justify a physical release, but not enough PS3 copies.

No, it's because MS has a limit of something like 1-2GB for downloads.

[Nork22]

The harddrive space is a much bigger issue than the download time, as long as it can recover a stopped download, its a non-issue.

You can stop a PS3 download and resume it later if that's what you are asking.

[Citizen Klaus]

Discussion of PS3 HDs makes me remember something I was wondering about, is it possible to use an SSD in an PS3?

yes, it's possible. Practical? No.

It's only impractical because they currently cost so much, and that will change with time.

An SSD should slot into the PS3 just the same as any standard hard disk. That said, if it's speed you're after, WD's VelociRaptor drives are solid choices in the 2.5" form factor. (They're marketed as 3.5", but that's just because they ship in an adaptor bracket -- the actual drive is 2.5".) They're more expensive than standard hard drives, but they're faster. Not by nearly as much as an SSD, but they don't cost as much as SSDs, either.

I run a VelociRaptor 150 GB for the programs/Windows disk on my PC, and it's pretty nice. Cool and quiet, too, especially considering it spins at 10,000 RPM.

[ShieldAnvil]

Discussion of PS3 HDs makes me remember something I was wondering about, is it possible to use an SSD in an PS3?

yes, it's possible. Practical? No.

If you want to know more they did some tests with SSDs in a PS3 Slim over at gamespot: http://www.gamespot.com/features/6192258/index.html

[Fencedude]

If you want to know more they did some tests with SSDs in a PS3 Slim over at gamespot: http://www.gamespot.com/features/6192258/index.html

I'd be very interested to see a comparison of SSD to Stock using Downloaded games as the measure.

Edit: and skimming the comments (I know, I know) shows truly depressing examples of people not getting the fucking point. Yes, SSDs are expensive, and yes they don't provide a huge speed boost to a PS3. THAT DOES NOT INVALIDATE THEIR EXISTENCE YOU MORONS

[tadakichi]

I find it mindboggling that they expect to sell enough 360 copies to justify a physical release, but not enough PS3 copies.

No, it's because MS has a limit of something like 1-2GB for downloads.

That's just for Xbox Live Arcade. The recently-launched Games on Demand service allows entire disc-based games to be downloaded. Of course, all of the Games on Demand games have been previously released on disc, and it's unlikely that MS would make an exception for Agarest War.

[pathos]

I find it mindboggling that they expect to sell enough 360 copies to justify a physical release, but not enough PS3 copies.

No, it's because MS has a limit of something like 1-2GB for downloads.

That's just for Xbox Live Arcade. The recently-launched Games on Demand service allows entire disc-based games to be downloaded. Of course, all of the Games on Demand games have been previously released on disc, and it's unlikely that MS would make an exception for Agarest War.

Does USA Sony require english voice tracks for their physical releases? And if so, is this game getting one? I remember someone, somewhere speculating this might be the reason for the download only....but I have no idea if either answer to either question is actually yes or not.

[Sensuifu]

If you want to know more they did some tests with SSDs in a PS3 Slim over at gamespot: http://www.gamespot.com/features/6192258/index.html

I'd be very interested to see a comparison of SSD to Stock using Downloaded games as the measure.

Edit: and skimming the comments (I know, I know) shows truly depressing examples of people not getting the fucking point. Yes, SSDs are expensive, and yes they don't provide a huge speed boost to a PS3. THAT DOES NOT INVALIDATE THEIR EXISTENCE YOU MORONS

downloaded games benefit the most since they're basically being installed directly from the drive. here's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_ieXPLWJmE) a comparison between stock and SSD.
Future iterations of the PS3 might include improvements that enable the full potential of SSD, but right now capacity:cost isn't a viable option unless you don't care for capacity and have money to burn...and yes an SSD drive may cost more than the PS3 itself right now, but they'll eventually drop in price.

[Senku]

It is rumored that the reason you wont see a US Disc release is cause Sony America insists on discs having English dubs. This is a must or no approval. Work around is that if it is DL only then you dont need a dub.

Something else, Would there be some sort of licensing issue if the updated 360 version was never released on the PS3 in Japan? That's why they can't put out a physical copy in the US?

Don't think I've seen anywhere that the updated version was released again for the PS3 in Japan.

[red_hamsterx]

Sony should have a rule to not have games released on the PSN network that take up most of the hard drive. Guess they couldn't afford to release limited printings.

Apparently, Aksys is letting people offer feedback on a related subject: what they would like to see in a limited edition package.

They didn't explicitly state that such a bundle would include a physical copy of the game, hence my post in the thread, but it probably couldn't hurt to have another ten or so voices demand it as a condition for purchase.

http://www.aksysgames.com/2009/11/16/an-edition-for-collectors/

[tadakichi]

Sony should have a rule to not have games released on the PSN network that take up most of the hard drive. Guess they couldn't afford to release limited printings.

Apparently, Aksys is letting people offer feedback on a related subject: what they would like to see in a limited edition package.

They didn't explicitly state that such a bundle would include a physical copy of the game, hence my post in the thread, but it probably couldn't hurt to have another ten or so voices demand it as a condition for purchase.

http://www.aksysgames.com/2009/11/16/an-edition-for-collectors/

I'm assuming the collector's edition would be a 360 exclusive. When has there ever been a collector's edition (with physical extras) of anything that didn't include a physical copy of the game?

[HitokiriShadow]

They didn't explicitly state that such a bundle would include a physical copy of the game, hence my post in the thread, but it probably couldn't hurt to have another ten or so voices demand it as a condition for purchase.

http://www.aksysgames.com/2009/11/16/an-edition-for-collectors/

I'm assuming the collector's edition would be a 360 exclusive.

From the article:

And before you ask, yes, we are examining our options for both platforms.So a collector's edition for the PS3 is still a possibility.

[tadakichi]

They didn't explicitly state that such a bundle would include a physical copy of the game, hence my post in the thread, but it probably couldn't hurt to have another ten or so voices demand it as a condition for purchase.

http://www.aksysgames.com/2009/11/16/an-edition-for-collectors/

I'm assuming the collector's edition would be a 360 exclusive.

From the article:

And before you ask, yes, we are examining our options for both platforms.So a collector's edition for the PS3 is still a possibility.

Durrrr... thanks for pointing that out. Not sure how I missed it in such a short post. I suppose they'd just include a download code for the PS3 CE.

[red_hamsterx]

Durrrr... thanks for pointing that out. Not sure how I missed it in such a short post. I suppose they'd just include a download code for the PS3 CE.

Which is, of course, why you should state that a real copy of the game is important to you. If they already have to press discs for the Microsoft version, they might, maybe, in some capacity, be amenable to also pressing PS3 discs to get a few hundred gamers who wouldn't buy in otherwise and to get more money from those who'd pay more for an LE if it meant they didn't have to download something so massive.