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Chris Beveridge
04-06-2010, 04:00 AM
Nozomi Entertainment recently made the acquisition news of the year for quite a few people by picking up the long sought after 80's TV classic, Dirty Pair. Often talked about in the same breath among fans of years gone by as Dragon Ball Z, Slam Dunk and Ranma, it's one of the more elusive titles where there has been interest from many over the years in acquiring it but it never came to fruition...

More... (http://www.mania.com/talking-dirty-pair-shawne-kleckner_article_121663.html)

LordGeo
04-06-2010, 07:31 AM
2. Nozomi has been all about the fan oriented titles from the start with titles like Aria, Victorian Romance Emma and Super Gals. Out of the titles licensed in the last few years, only The Third really has an action component to it. Dirty Pair stands out a bit because of what it’s about. How do you think it fits in with the library you have?

I think you kind of answered your own question there. When we look at licensing, our first questions are "What are the fans asking for?", followed by "What are they likely to buy?", "Can we get it for them?" and "Would we be proud to release it under the Nozomi label?" The Dirty Pair is one of those classic series that fans have been vocal about wanting for ages. We feel there's a reason for that, and we're excited to be bringing the series to them.

Not to sound nitpicky or complaining for the sake of complaining, but anyone notice how DLK just happened to skirt around the whole "action component" part of the question? He didn't answer it badly or anything like that, but it just ended up being the usual "We license what the fans want" reply they usually give, as vague as that answer can be at times, but with a little more explanation about what question they thenselves ask. The whole "Would we be proud about it?" question they ask themselves sounds a bit interesting, though.

Suwako Moriya
04-06-2010, 08:13 AM
We have a few other things for this fall, but we're not ready to announce them just yet.

Interesting, I wonder what this could be referring to. For now I'm going to assume re-releases to be on the safe side. Although there may still be a few announced titles left that still don't have a release date yet.

LOUiE
04-06-2010, 10:00 AM
We have a few other things for this fall, but we're not ready to announce them just yet.

Interesting, I wonder what this could be referring to. For now I'm going to assume re-releases to be on the safe side. Although there may still be a few announced titles left that still don't have a release date yet.
Actually, he mentioned everything he has that has never had a release. So unless it's re-releases it'll be a new license or rescue. My guess is we'll find out at AX at the latest since that is the one con Shawne always attends.

jejune
04-06-2010, 11:43 AM
1. Let’s get the important question out of the way; are you a Kei or Yuri fan?

Kei.

Heathen! ;)

Love my redheads. :)

Okay, you are right on that count (see my avatar). But Yuri is still the embodiment of all that is good in the world. :)

I already have this show preordered, am looking forward to its release.

something
04-06-2010, 01:24 PM
Not to sound nitpicky or complaining for the sake of complaining, but anyone notice how DLK just happened to skirt around the whole "action component" part of the question?
It seems pretty obvious that what he's saying is that they don't look specifically at "whether it's an action series or not". The critiera are higher level than that, and they would neither favor nor penalize a series for having action in it. They're looking at the bigger picture. Dirty Pair fit the criteria for them.

What answer did you think he should have given?

Betenoire
04-06-2010, 01:29 PM
Not to sound nitpicky or complaining for the sake of complaining, but anyone notice how DLK just happened to skirt around the whole "action component" part of the question?
It seems pretty obvious that what he's saying is that they don't look specifically at "whether it's an action series or not". The critiera are higher level than that, and they would neither favor nor penalize a series for having action in it. They're looking at the bigger picture. Dirty Pair fit the criteria for them.

Which is what I took away from that question and answer.

Nozomi by not making a big deal out of "action" pretty much is saying they don't have a "type" of show...which should actually make people happier than if Nozomi had said "It isn't something we would normally look at but..."

LordGeo
04-06-2010, 02:31 PM
What answer did you think he should have given?

How about saying straight-out "The genre is not something we look at when considering a title"?

If you notice, DLK never says it himself... All of the fans are saying it for him. DLK instead just stays vague about it, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to notice that action titles are kind of missing from Nozomi's line-up, give or take a title or two. Is there a reason why Nozomi hasn't really done any, with some slight exceptions? We don't really know, and it obviously seems that some people just don't care. I mean it's not like every action title is immediately picked up by the likes of FUNimation, Sentai, Media Blasters, etc. and that there's no other options left. It's very much like when Nozomi kept saying "We'll dub anime when we feel that it's worth the extra cost," and yet they obviously go for shows that can never make back dub costs (you could maybe argue Aria would be worth going back and dubbing, as that seems to have done very nicely for them, but its length is definitely an issue to consider). In the end it's all talk with nothing really definitive or even semi-solid behind it.

Chris pointed it out that The Third is the only "new" title Nozomi has released that had an element of action to it, and DLK just went around talking about it. And then you guys "say it for him", pretty much requiring him not to say anything definitive and allowing him to continue being vague. It's a really effective method, honestly, and it seems to work.

As I said, I'm not complaining or anything like that, and I have nothing but respect for the man himself, but it's easy to see that DLK is avoiding certain topics when he can... And as long as other people are "talking for him" then he never has to give an answer.

Betenoire
04-06-2010, 03:07 PM
Oh for...Maybe he should just say Fuck action, this was a mistake and that would make you happy. :rolleyes: If you break it down by show titles they (Nozomi) have done : Aria, Emma, Gakuen Alice, Junjo Romantica, Maria, Rental Magica, Antique Bakery, The Third and Toward the Terra. You can go older to TRSI titles if you want. (and Lost Universe may be under the Nozomi brand as well, my copy isn't handy at the moment).

So I guess Rental Magica doesn't have enough "action"...nor Gakuen Alice either. :rolleyes:

I guess that means to you Aria is the same as Toward the Terra movie and Antique Bakery as "not action." :rolleyes:

That isn't a hell of a lot of titles but somehow you seem to want to ask Shawne if the skies parted, the Metatron came down and as the voice of God command them to do an action title.

The answer you will get is the same one he gives-They think this title will make them money as it is one fans have been wanting for years. Is that such a difficult concept to grasp?

Take a look (http://www.rightstuf.com/1-800-338-6827/catalogmgr/GQ3D2hwiL=aCf2pnjL/browse/search/5/4/0/0/results/desc/asc/50/1)-that is a fairly diverse catalog for a company that puts out as little as they do.

something
04-06-2010, 03:15 PM
How about saying straight-out "The genre is not something we look at when considering a title"?
Would that really change anything? You don't even need to read between the lines. Just take exactly what he said. Then apply the criteria.

The titles they don't license are:
1) Not something they perceive fans asking for
AND/OR
2) Not something fans are likely to buy
AND/OR
3) Not something they can get the license for
AND/OR
4) Not something they would be proud to release under the Nozomi label

Plus if course things like how much they can handle producing at once (we know Nozomi isn't exactly speedy as it is).

Chris pointed it out that The Third is the only "new" title Nozomi has released that had an element of action to it, and DLK just went around talking about it.
Because there's nothing to talk about.

I also am not sure why you're not counting Rental Magica as an action title. Is there a specific reason it doesn't count or is it an oversight? I would also assume the Terra e movie has a strong action element, but correct me if I'm wrong.

I can't remember when TRSI launched their Nozomi segment so let's just take their licenses (or co-productions for The Third) from 2007 to present:

2007-02-21 The Third
2007-06-30 Victorian Romance Emma
2008-03-06 Maria Watches Over Us
2008-05-01 Aria
2008-07-04 Toward the Terra
2008-07-04 Gakuen Alice
2009-04-23 Rental Magica
2009-07-02 Antique Bakery
2009-07-02 Junjou Romantica
2010-03-17 Dirty Pair TV

Taken from the AS license database because Mania's was giving me issues and I don't know if it's still maintained anyway.

There. Your sample size is a whopping 10 series, not counting sequels. Action by the strictest (I'd actually call it "incomplete") definition is 20% of TRSI licenses in the last few years, more realistically it's 40%. If you restrict to TV series and drop Terra e, it's still 33%.

I just (rather briefly, could use more detail) did the same for neo-ADV with a list that didn't include license rescues. Action was, even counted rather generously, about a third of what they've licensed under Section23 or Sentai. Right on par with Nozomi, but where is neo-ADV's reputation for being action-shy?

So like... will the "Nozomi doesn't do action" stuff be put to rest now? He doesn't have to speak out about it because the issue does not exist.

Edit: bete beat me to a lot of this, oh well.

LordGeo
04-06-2010, 03:52 PM
How about saying straight-out "The genre is not something we look at when considering a title"?
Would that really change anything? You don't even need to read between the lines. Just take exactly what he said. Then apply the criteria.

Call me simple, stupid, moronic, or whatever you want. I guess I prefer to be told things straight-out, rather than have answers be vague. If there's a problem then say so, if there isn't then say so. It's really the simplest way to go.

I also am not sure why you're not counting Rental Magica as an action title. Is there a specific reason it doesn't count or is it an oversight? I would also assume the Terra e movie has a strong action element, but correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't know much about Magica, as it never really interested me, so you can call it an oversight. Yeah, so part of it applies to stuff that interests me or at least grabs my interest. So sue me... It's not like no one else ever thinks that way at one point or another.

I just (rather briefly, could use more detail) did the same for neo-ADV with a list that didn't include license rescues. Action was, even counted rather generously, about a third of what they've licensed under Section23 or Sentai. Right on par with Nozomi, but where is neo-ADV's reputation for being action-shy?

Probably partly because Sentai is just a continuation of ADV. ADV was known for its action titles to an extent, so Sentai picking them up is treated as par for the course. Nozomi, on the other hand, doesn't seem like a full-on extension of TRSI's old licensing entity, as there are types of shows that TRSI used to handle but Nozomi hasn't seemed to indicate it has an interest in. Maybe it's just me, but Nozomi just seems like a different entity from TRSI's old licensing entity, while Sentai seems to come off as just a continuation. For example, would Nozomi seem like a company who would give something like Dangaizer 3 or Godmars a second chance, even though they handled these titles back in the past as just simple TRSI? None of Sentai's licenses seem to give off a feeling that it's different from ADV, but Nozomi, again at least to me, gives off a different feeling than "TRSI" with its licenses.

Hell, you even give off that feeling. You refer to Sentai as "neo-ADV", yet I don't think you would ever refer to Nozomi as "neo-TRSI" (the TRSI, in this case, refers to their old licensing entity and not the storefront".

So like... will the "Nozomi doesn't do action" stuff be put to rest now? He doesn't have to speak out about it because the issue does not exist.

Probably not. Even if or when I stop talking about it, someone else will probably bring it up sooner or later.

EDIT: Also, I'll add in that I might also be feeling a bit angry in that the one Spring 2010 show that I want to see more than anything else is still unavailable for me to see, even raw, because for the first time it seems that everyone is avoiding the show like the plague... It's been 4 days since it started being available in Japan and it's still not available while even the shows that almost no one would likely watch are being made available as soon as possible. Do I sound a little bitter? Maybe...

Betenoire
04-06-2010, 04:01 PM
Probably not. Even if or when I stop talking about it, someone else will probably bring it up sooner or later.

Really? I think most of Nozomi's fans are happy what they have been getting overall (since they keep buying) and action fans mostly troll FUNi...:rolleyes:

Go get them to look at your wish list.

Fencedude
04-06-2010, 04:12 PM
EDIT: Also, I'll add in that I might also be feeling a bit angry in that the one Spring 2010 show that I want to see more than anything else is still unavailable for me to see, even raw, because for the first time it seems that everyone is avoiding the show like the plague... It's been 4 days since it started being available in Japan and it's still not available while even the shows that almost no one would likely watch are being made available as soon as possible. Do I sound a little bitter? Maybe...

Not to be picky, but the fact that the show you are interested in is not available, but others you aren't are, may indicate that the interest in seeing those shows is in fact higher than for the show you are interested in.

LordGeo
04-06-2010, 04:16 PM
Probably not. Even if or when I stop talking about it, someone else will probably bring it up sooner or later.

Really? I think most of Nozomi's fans are happy what they have been getting overall (since they keep buying) and action fans mostly troll FUNi...:rolleyes:

Go get them to look at your wish list.

Well, I'm not counting just this forum, as ANN has its Nozomi detractors and even GameFAQs has some. Regardless of how you might feel about the people who only post there and not here, they are still anime fans in the end.

As for my Wish List... I prefer to not bring that up as a whole too often, as I'm usually told by others that they're not "the kind of titles that [insert company here] would be interested in"; if they don't want to hear it, then I won't. That's why lately I've put more focus on Ring ni Kakero 1 than anything else (the new season airing right now also gives me reason to give it more focus... Why am I stil not able to watch it? That general discussion topic is going nowhere!)...

Though I still feel that Akagi would be an excellent addition to Nozomi's line-up and I could see Nozomi giving it an excellent release, complete with a cool booklet that can explain all of the mahjong terms that are used in the show. Considering the giant booklets that Magica has and the gazettes that Emma has I think a "translation" booklet would be nothing hard for Nozomi to do.

And before anyone brings it up, I think Saki would be something that Sentai, FUNimation, or Media Blasters would be more likely to pick up than Nozomi... But that's just me, and I'm sure other would argue it.

Betenoire
04-06-2010, 04:18 PM
EDIT: Also, I'll add in that I might also be feeling a bit angry in that the one Spring 2010 show that I want to see more than anything else is still unavailable for me to see, even raw, because for the first time it seems that everyone is avoiding the show like the plague... It's been 4 days since it started being available in Japan and it's still not available while even the shows that almost no one would likely watch are being made available as soon as possible. Do I sound a little bitter? Maybe...

Not to be picky, but the fact that the show you are interested in is not available, but others you aren't are, may indicate that the interest in seeing those shows is in fact higher than for the show you are interested in.

Yep, it indicates everyone else's taste is wrong.

Betenoire
04-06-2010, 04:22 PM
Well, I'm not counting just this forum, as ANN has its Nozomi detractors and even GameFAQs has some. Regardless of how you might feel about the people who only post there and not here, they are still anime fans in the end.

Sure they are fans...but are they fans who buy anything?

"Fan" in general who never opens their wallet are completely irrelevant in an industry where one make money or becomes CPM. If they don't like Nozomi they don't have to buy their products...yet Nozomi is still licensing, so they seem to be able to find a market somewhere.

LordGeo
04-06-2010, 04:22 PM
EDIT: Also, I'll add in that I might also be feeling a bit angry in that the one Spring 2010 show that I want to see more than anything else is still unavailable for me to see, even raw, because for the first time it seems that everyone is avoiding the show like the plague... It's been 4 days since it started being available in Japan and it's still not available while even the shows that almost no one would likely watch are being made available as soon as possible. Do I sound a little bitter? Maybe...

Not to be picky, but the fact that the show you are interested in is not available, but others you aren't are, may indicate that the interest in seeing those shows is in fact higher than for the show you are interested in.

Really, so how many people do you think really want to watch something like Jewelpet Twinkle? Or Transformers Animated in Japanese (aside from it apparently having a JAM Project song as its opening, it's probably going to be the same show we got here already)? I prefer to not go more into this, as it would be going off-topic, but I just wanted to vent in that one post and let it out. And what I'm talking about is about raws specifically, not subbed videos... I have never seen raws not come out for a new show that just started airing; I have seen raws get dropped for a show, yes, but not complete ignoring of a show from the get go.

Betenoire
04-06-2010, 04:24 PM
Really, so how many people do you think really want to watch something like Jewelpet Twinkle? Or Transformers Animated in Japanese (aside from it apparently having a JAM Project song as its opening, it's probably going to be the same show we got here already)? I prefer to not go more into this, as it would be going off-topic, but I just wanted to vent in that one post and let it out. And what I'm talking about is about raws specifically, not subbed videos...

At least 1-the one who is making the videos for one of those available and not something else.

LordGeo
04-06-2010, 04:26 PM
Well, I'm not counting just this forum, as ANN has its Nozomi detractors and even GameFAQs has some. Regardless of how you might feel about the people who only post there and not here, they are still anime fans in the end.

Sure they are fans...but are they fans who buy anything?

"Fan" in general who never opens their wallet are completely irrelevant in an industry where one make money or becomes CPM. If they don't like Nozomi they don't have to buy their products...yet Nozomi is still licensing, so they seem to be able to find a market somewhere.

Well, there are those who do buy in thse places. It would be silly to discount all of them just because non-buyers go there as well. If there's a criticism, at least a legitimate one, then it should be taken seriously.

Betenoire
04-06-2010, 04:33 PM
Well, there are those who do buy in thse places. It would be silly to discount all of them just because non-buyers go there as well. If there's a criticism, at least a legitimate one, then it should be taken seriously.

But there is no "magic" title everyone will buy- Every title has it's detractors. The trick is to find out the best cost/return ratio. Sure people there may want another title...I want Macross 7. Never going to fucking happen...does that mean I should whine that XXX company isn't licensing what I want?

Geneon licensed a lot more of what I wanted...who is still viable, Geneon or Nozomi?

LordGeo
04-06-2010, 04:41 PM
Geneon licensed a lot more of what I wanted...who is still viable, Geneon or Nozomi?

True, but we've all heard and read the many problems Geneon had when it came to licensing and releasing titles (not leaving the singles method, bidding wars, apparently having "no other choice" for certain shows [yeah, right], etc.). If anything, that's probably part of the reason why Nozomi takes so long with its licenses: Kleckner probably fights for the deal that tries to benefit both sides instead of just trying to "get the show" and release it, even if it benefits the Japanese more than the company. We've all heard of how tough it can be to negotiate with the Japanese at times, afterall.

something
04-06-2010, 04:52 PM
I guess I prefer to be told things straight-out, rather than have answers be vague. If there's a problem then say so, if there isn't then say so. It's really the simplest way to go.
I hereby demand that Nozomi issue a public statement concerning their discriminatory hiring practices. ...What, I know nothing about their hiring practices, employee make-up and have no evidence that leads me to believe that they follow discriminatory hiring practices? Well they should comment on it anyway! Tell me straight!

Addressing problems that don't exist and never have is very silly and a total waste of Shawne's time. Time better spent finalizing more licenses ad getting things released more quickly.

I don't know much about Magica, as it never really interested me, so you can call it an oversight. Yeah, so part of it applies to stuff that interests me or at least grabs my interest. So sue me... It's not like no one else ever thinks that way at one point or another.
Sigh, I knew you'd take it in this direction. I don't care what you like, that's not even relevant here. The point is that you are claiming they have some serious aversion to action series when the facts directly dispute this. Leaving Rental Magica out is not important for what it says about your tastes (I don't really care about the show either), it's important because you're talking numbers. And with such an incredibly small sample size (something you should really keep in mind when talking about overarching company philosophies) even 1 show changes things dramatically.

I was, naively, hoping that presenting raw objective data would make it clear that the problem you have is entirely a misunderstanding, but silly me I guess. If this "Nozomi doesn't do action" myth still has legs, it's largely because you're persistently ensuring that that is the case.

Hell, you even give off that feeling. You refer to Sentai as "neo-ADV", yet I don't think you would ever refer to Nozomi as "neo-TRSI" (the TRSI, in this case, refers to their old licensing entity and not the storefront".
This is completely unrelated to the issue at hand. The [neo-]ADV thing is a reference to their ridiculous naming acrobatics in the wake of the Sojitz debacle and their highly amusing insistence ever since that the new ADV is totally and completely something different from the old ADV. It is, if you will, a joke. And I actually rather frequently refer to "TRSI/Nozomi" or just "TRSI" when talking about that company's licensing and production side. That has nothing to do with anything else we've been talking about though.

Come back after the next 10 licenses and if they've only licensed 1 or 2 more action series, you'll actually have a statistically valid argument to defend. Right now, you don't, and won't no matter how many times you bring it up.

I just wish you wouldn't conflate "Nozomi is anti-action/one-dimensional/too selective/whatever" with "Nozomi doesn't license things I want". The latter is clearly true, they do not license many shows you want. Nobody disputes that. But that is simply not evidence of the former.

LordGeo
04-06-2010, 04:57 PM
EDIT: Also, I'll add in that I might also be feeling a bit angry in that the one Spring 2010 show that I want to see more than anything else is still unavailable for me to see, even raw, because for the first time it seems that everyone is avoiding the show like the plague... It's been 4 days since it started being available in Japan and it's still not available while even the shows that almost no one would likely watch are being made available as soon as possible. Do I sound a little bitter? Maybe...

Not to be picky, but the fact that the show you are interested in is not available, but others you aren't are, may indicate that the interest in seeing those shows is in fact higher than for the show you are interested in.

Yes, because you obviously know everything there is about everything.

Honetly, do you personally know how raw providers work? If so, then please educate me (from what I've heard most of them just rip whatever there is, regardless of any actual personal preference). Is there a show that you really want to see this season that's already aired days ago but you can't yet due to it not being available for some reason? I doubt so.

But if the answer is "no" to either question, then please just stop, as you seem to love always butting into something I say when it's not really necessary and it gets really annoying sometimes. And it is you more often than not doing it. Nothing personal, Fence, but those kinds of posts are getting really annoying and is not helping or acheiving anything. Im not asking for pity or anything like that, but if it's not going to help then don't even bother.

Sorry for going off-topic... Now let's return to our regularly-scheduled programming.

Fencedude
04-06-2010, 05:11 PM
Honetly, do you personally know how raw providers work? If so, then please educate me (from what I've heard most of them just rip whatever there is, regardless of any actual personal preference). Is there a show that you really want to see this season that's already aired days ago but you can't yet due to it not being available for some reason? I doubt so.

Yes, actually. Not the gritty details, but the generalities.

Not going to go into more detail here, since its both off topic and very close to being a rule violation, but the interesting question is where the failure is, is it a failure of the Japanese RAW cappers or the "western" distribution. You may want to investigate this before you start feeling all put upon.

LordGeo
04-06-2010, 05:12 PM
I just wish you wouldn't conflate "Nozomi is anti-action/one-dimensional/too selective/whatever" with "Nozomi doesn't license things I want". The latter is clearly true, they do not license many shows you want. Nobody disputes that. But that is simply not evidence of the former.

Now you're putting words into my mouth, as I have not said that Nozomi only licenses certain types of shows for a long time now. I have not called them as only picking up a certain type of a show in a long time, and them licensing Junjo Romatica certainly keeps me from saying that anymore, as I think that proves that they're willing to license something that I don't think anyone was honestly expecting. I fully was accepting of them picking up titles like Aria, though I still think it was a waste of a hint to use one for Origination and Arietta, as well all had a feeling that they were going to brought over anyway.

And it's not like I don't support Nozomi, as I was one of the people who really supported the Emma license when it first happened, pre-ordered the Toward the Terra movie as soon as it came up, and have Dirty Pair pre-ordered to help "support the old-school" as well finally see what this series is like... Not to mentiont that I'll probably buy Aria and Tylor one day as well. It's just that as much as I do support them I think that they could do more, but it seems every time I ask for "more" there are plenty who feel that everything is just fine and nothing more should be done. It's just that I prefer to mention what I think the company lacks in my opinion... If it differs from others' opinions then that's fine, but no need to try to disprove what I think, especially when one person's definition of what exactly makes an "action" show will differ from another's.

In the end, I use the vague term "action" mainly because others will complain about how Nozomi doesn't need to bother going after shows when I use more descriptive terms. In the end, it just seems that what I say will never be understood when it comes to Nozomi... I guess I'm fine with that, then. It at least makes for colorful conversation.

Yes, actually. Not the gritty details, but the generalities.

Not going to go into more detail here, since its both off topic and very close to being a rule violation, but the interesting question is where the failure is, is it a failure of the Japanese RAW cappers or the "western" distribution. You may want to investigate this before you start feeling all put upon.

Oh, trust me, if I could find a way then I would have done so already. If you notice I never put any blame on any person or any group. In fact, I even specifically asked "Why?" at one point (open-ended, of course).

something
04-06-2010, 05:25 PM
but no need to try to disprove what I think, especially when one person's definition of what exactly makes an "action" show will differ from another's.
There is very much a need if misrepresentation of the company (no matter how much you may be okay with them deep down) spreads a false impression around and negatively impacts their reputation. You insist that you're not the only one who feels this way, and if that's true then it's very much a misunderstanding I have a concrete interest in seeing put to rest. I also dislike when people say there's no need to disprove their comments, because that just gives them carte blanche to say anything they want without rebuttal.

Remember, this was your comment: "it doesn't take a rocket scientist to notice that action titles are kind of missing from Nozomi's line-up, give or take a title or two. Is there a reason why Nozomi hasn't really done any, with some slight exceptions?" It is entirely reasonable to address (which by definition means "disprove" since it's incorrect) that, especially when it's prompting inquiry at the end, intentionally or not.

HitokiriShadow
04-06-2010, 07:20 PM
Well, I'm not counting just this forum, as ANN has its Nozomi detractors and even GameFAQs has some. Regardless of how you might feel about the people who only post there and not here, they are still anime fans in the end.

The only other Nozomi "detractors" I've seen have completely different issues from Nozomi than you do. They are people who still can't get over the fact that some shows simply can't justify a dub, and therefore Nozomi is cheap and doesn't really care about the fans.

Fencedude
04-06-2010, 07:33 PM
Well, I'm not counting just this forum, as ANN has its Nozomi detractors and even GameFAQs has some. Regardless of how you might feel about the people who only post there and not here, they are still anime fans in the end.

The only other Nozomi "detractors" I've seen have completely different issues from Nozomi than you do. They are people who still can't get over the fact that some shows simply can't justify a dub, and therefore Nozomi is cheap and doesn't really care about the fans.

And saying that something has "detractors" on ANN and GameFAQs is meaningless. You can find someone on those forums who hates anything.

Draneor
04-06-2010, 07:34 PM
Chris pointed it out that The Third is the only "new" title Nozomi has released that had an element of action to it, and DLK just went around talking about it.

TRSI hasn't exactly licensed a new anime based on a visual novel either, but you don't see me complaining that they've never commented on it. We could play this game with any genre or type of anime.

I'm sorry your favorite title isn't licensed yet, but that situation applies to most of us. In any case, if the price was right, the market was there, and it was available, I see no reason Nozomi would pass on any title; they'd pick it up just like anybody would else. A smart company doesn't base licensing decisions on the personal tastes of the CEO. In a perfect world, Ring ni Kakero would be licensed along with every other title any fan ever wanted. I hope it comes true some day for your sake, but this world ain't perfect.

populuxe
04-06-2010, 08:50 PM
Call me simple, stupid, moronic, or whatever you want.

Having read this entire thread, I'll take you up on your offer.

something
04-06-2010, 10:29 PM
TRSI hasn't exactly licensed a new anime based on a visual novel either, but you don't see me complaining that they've never commented on it. We could play this game with any genre or type of anime.
That's what I've been thinking. With 10 licenses in over three years, Nozomi hasn't licensed a "lot" of anything. No more than 1-3 shows in any given genre, really. Especially because, jeeze, they've been so incredibly diverse, ironically enough.

Fencedude
04-06-2010, 10:36 PM
TRSI hasn't exactly licensed a new anime based on a visual novel either, but you don't see me complaining that they've never commented on it. We could play this game with any genre or type of anime.
That's what I've been thinking. With 10 licenses in over three years, Nozomi hasn't licensed a "lot" of anything. No more than 1-3 shows in any given genre, really. Especially because, jeeze, they've been so incredibly diverse, ironically enough.

They need to license Xenoglossia so they can have a mecha series.

And Touka Gettan to cover the severely underrepresented genre of...what genre is Touka Gettan, anyway?

something
04-06-2010, 10:40 PM
...what genre is Touka Gettan, anyway?
Awesome.

jejune
04-06-2010, 10:52 PM
I wonder what the value-add will be for the Dirty Pair releases? Perhaps they could split one of the shorter light novels over a couple of booklets in the releases like they did with the Irresponsible Captain Tylor Ultimate boxes. Or maybe some papercraft like they did with Aria; I would love to build the Lovely Angel or even standups of the girls and Mugi.

Ooh, or maybe a replica of the Bloody Card. That would be awesome.

Edit: Oh dude, they need to do an artbox with a slipcover. The slipcover could have Kei and Yuri standing in front of a beautiful city, and then when you remove the slipcover the box would show them standing in front of the ruins of that city. That would be soo fitting.

God, I love this show. :)

Legion
04-07-2010, 08:16 AM
I guess I prefer to be told things straight-out, rather than have answers be vague. If there's a problem then say so, if there isn't then say so. It's really the simplest way to go.
I hereby demand that Nozomi issue a public statement concerning their discriminatory hiring practices. ...What, I know nothing about their hiring practices, employee make-up and have no evidence that leads me to believe that they follow discriminatory hiring practices? Well they should comment on it anyway! Tell me straight!

Addressing problems that don't exist and never have is very silly and a total waste of Shawne's time. Time better spent finalizing more licenses ad getting things released more quickly.

Indeed. If Shawne wanted to waste his time with that, he wouldn't have done an interview with AOD/Mania. He would have gone to Fox News. :P

Vicserr
04-07-2010, 08:59 AM
Well, I'll just say that I'm glad somebody is giving Dirty Pair TV the chance in R1, I don't care who releases it as long as they do a competent job, that Nozomi got it means that this title will be given a lot of TLC for its release.

As for the method for the Madness of the DLK, he knows the industry, and he'll pick up titles that will sell, no matter the theme, if it's something I care about I'll buy it, if it's not, I won't, for example TRSI/Nozomi have only picked up 3 titles with mecha (GodMars on the VHS days, Dangaizer 3 and the Third), I wish he would pick more, but I know he knows the market so I won't get my underwear in a bunch for it...:sweat:

Njr Scrawl
04-07-2010, 04:51 PM
Shame AoD has to use the crappy old LD/VHS DPTV op when the re-mastered version is on YT as well.

There are indeed some very good episodes for Kei & Yuri fans in DPTV. Good that the show is in sets, as they are not evenly spaced out. I hope thinpack cases are used.

If Tylor & Toward The Terra are not action shows, what are they?

Legion
04-07-2010, 04:57 PM
If Tylor & Toward The Terra are not action shows, what are they?

One is a comedy, the other is a space opera.

Njr Scrawl
04-07-2010, 05:02 PM
If Tylor & Toward The Terra are not action shows, what are they?

One is a comedy, the other is a space opera.

Dirty Pair has a foot in each category. Both the "Ts" are in action settings, whatever the style of story.

something
04-07-2010, 06:23 PM
One is a comedy, the other is a space opera.
Most shows have more than one genre, and a multitude of storytelling elements and themes. "Action" is a very broad term.

Kouji Tamino
04-07-2010, 08:29 PM
One is a comedy, the other is a space opera.
Most shows have more than one genre, and a multitude of storytelling elements and themes. "Action" is a very broad term.

While I can't say anything about Towards the Terra, The Irresponsible Captain Tylor isn't really "Action" in any sense of the word. The majority of the series is about the months leading up to a huge galactic war, but by the time the big day comes, the main character manages to avoid war entirely. Much of the series is just the characters quelling their boredom with the occasional skirmish. It's a fun show, but not one that would appeal to people looking for an action series.

something
04-07-2010, 08:32 PM
While I can't say anything about Towards the Terra, The Irresponsible Captain Tylor isn't really "Action" in any sense of the word. The majority of the series is about the months leading up to a huge galactic war, but by the time the big day comes, the main character manages to avoid war entirely. Much of the series is just the characters quelling their boredom with the occasional skirmish. It's a fun show, but not one that would appeal to people looking for an action series.
Valid, but I was just making a general point. I haven't seen Tylor, although it's in my backlog (with like 500 other discs).

Betenoire
04-07-2010, 08:36 PM
While I can't say anything about Towards the Terra, The Irresponsible Captain Tylor isn't really "Action" in any sense of the word. The majority of the series is about the months leading up to a huge galactic war, but by the time the big day comes, the main character manages to avoid war entirely. Much of the series is just the characters quelling their boredom with the occasional skirmish. It's a fun show, but not one that would appeal to people looking for an action series.

Not Nozomi obviously, but would one qualify Men In Black as just Sci-Fi, Action or Comedy? Or does it do a decent job mixing the three?

Kouji Tamino
04-07-2010, 08:49 PM
While I can't say anything about Towards the Terra, The Irresponsible Captain Tylor isn't really "Action" in any sense of the word. The majority of the series is about the months leading up to a huge galactic war, but by the time the big day comes, the main character manages to avoid war entirely. Much of the series is just the characters quelling their boredom with the occasional skirmish. It's a fun show, but not one that would appeal to people looking for an action series.

Not Nozomi obviously, but would one qualify Men In Black as just Sci-Fi, Action or Comedy? Or does it do a decent job mixing the three?

I'd say it does a good enough job balancing things out so that anyone who watches the film for any of those three genres/elements will be satisfied. There are very few action scenes in Tylor, as the majority of episodes are about the main character and his crew scouting the area and the misadventures they get in while on the ship. I suppose you could argue that it's an Action series if you really want to get technical, but if I was recommending a series to someone looking for an "Action series" I'd be more hard pressed to recommend Fruits Basket.


Valid, but I was just making a general point.

Fair enough.

Betenoire
04-07-2010, 08:53 PM
I'd say it does a good enough job balancing things out so that anyone who watches the film for any of those three genres/elements will be satisfied. There are very few action scenes in Tylor, as the majority of episodes are about the main character and his crew scouting the area and the misadventures they get in while on the ship. I suppose you could argue that it's an Action series if you really want to get technical, but if I was recommending a series to someone looking for an "Action series" I'd be more hard pressed to recommend Fruits Basket.

I wouldn't try arguing Tylor as action, but I also didn't count it when going over Nozomi's recent licenses either. I am just pointing out in general that there are things one can try to stick a single label on that may not be entirely representative of what is to be found inside.

Fencedude
04-07-2010, 08:53 PM
There are very few action scenes in Tylor, as the majority of episodes are about the main character and his crew scouting the area and the misadventures they get in while on the ship. I suppose you could argue that it's an Action series if you really want to get technical, but if I was recommending a series to someone looking for an "Action series" I'd be more hard pressed to recommend Fruits Basket.



Tylor is an action series the same way...oh, lets say Sora no Woto is. Its not wrong, but its not particularly right either.

One thing that has been missing from this discussion is the idea that one reason TRSI/Nozomi is light on "action" series is because traditionally, action series make up the majority of anime released in R1. You won't get much traction if you try to claim there is a dearth of action series available, while the number of Tour Guides on Mars and Walking Slowly anime tends to be much, much lower.

Njr Scrawl
04-09-2010, 03:28 PM
Nozomi should release their VHS licence of Leda, a shoujo action title http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=2133 on DVD.

Isuzu Inugami
04-09-2010, 03:35 PM
Nozomi should release their VHS licence of Leda, a shoujo action title http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=2133 on DVD.

I'm holding out for their insane action movie AI City. (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=2025)

Kyon
04-10-2010, 06:40 PM
Nozomi should release their VHS licence of Leda, a shoujo action title http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=2133 on DVD.
They would probably have to renegotiate the license for a DVD release, because other companies (like the late ADV) have had to do the same for many of their back catalog titles on newer formats.
Japan treats licenses for VHS and DVD differently and the licensor for the DVD rights may not even be the same company that had the VHS rights.