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Old 11-20-2012, 06:02 PM
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I also very very highly recommend rikaichan if you don't have it. You can mouse over any Japanese and it will give possible readings and definitions per character or word in a popup. It's good for zeroing in a bit more specifically, and is also useful for guessing at names. It helps to know a little bit about the basic structure of the language to get the most out of it but I use it almost exclusively, and rarely go to a translation site.
Oh, that sure will be useful. I was looking for something like that. Thanks.
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:28 PM
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Oh, thanks. I had put the hana in kanji...
You can, but I guess the song lyrics (or whoever entered it into the HxH site) just didn't in this case. Some words (not sure how common it is with that specific one) are often spelled out in kana even though they have kanji equivalents.
It is OK to write yamato kotoba in hiragana.
There are people who tend to write yamato kotoba (Japanese words having their origins in the time before the introduction of Chinese characters) in hiragana or katakana. In fact, to write yamato kotoba excessively in kanji is often regarded as a thing that is done by undereducated people who try to feign to be well-educated (and by gaijin who have a smattering of Japanese and erroneously think sprinkling their Japanese writing with many kanji is a sign of being knowledgeable about Japanese). When Dr Keene Donald re-read Japanese writing which he had written in his younger days, he said those pieces of writings' having too many kanji suggested that he had been a 'newbie' who had tried to be cool.
So it is possible that when you read an article/book written by a Japanese man of letters, you see that yamato kotoba tend to be written in hiragana, rather than in kanji.
Yanagita Kunio criticised people who excessively applied kanji to yamato kotoba.
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Yanagita humorously called it the '(lower-middlebrows consult) cheap dictionaries (and excessively apply kanji to yamato kotoba and use too many kanji words)' evil.
 
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It is OK to write yamato kotoba in hiragana.
There are people who tend to write yamato kotoba (Japanese words having their origins in the time before the introduction of Chinese characters) in hiragana or katakana. In fact, to write yamato kotoba excessively in kanji is often regarded as a thing that is done by undereducated people who try to feign to be well-educated (and by gaijin who have a smattering of Japanese and erroneously think sprinkling their Japanese writing with many kanji is a sign of being knowledgeable about Japanese).
Do Japanese people tend to know which words predate the introduction of kanji? That's a lot more etymological knowledge than most English speakers have...
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That's a lot more etymological knowledge than most English speakers have...
Er―you mean something like 'When a native user of English sees an English word, can he say whether it is derived from Anglo-Saxon or Norman French/Latin'?

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Do Japanese people tend to know which words predate the introduction of kanji?
When a native user of Japanese reads a Japanese word and it is not a yamato kotoba, pronunciation-wise the word usually has an 'I'm a descendant of an ancient Chinese dialect' feel.
So usually educated Japanese people can relatively easily detect whether a Japanese word is a yamato kotoba or not.
 
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That's a lot more etymological knowledge than most English speakers have...
Er―you mean something like 'When a native user of English sees an English word, can he say whether it is derived from Anglo-Saxon or Norman French/Latin'?
Yeah, that, and also how old it is. I was thinking more recent Japanese words that aren't derived from Chinese wouldn't count as Yamato Kotoba. But of course they would still have their origins in that time...

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Do Japanese people tend to know which words predate the introduction of kanji?
When a native user of Japanese reads a Japanese word and it is not a yamato kotoba, pronunciation-wise the word usually has an 'I'm a descendant of an ancient Chinese dialect' feel.
So usually educated Japanese people can relatively easily detect whether a Japanese word is a yamato kotoba or not.
Ok. So are all Kunyomi readings Yamato Kotoba? Because it seems to me that kanji is generally used even for words that aren't derived from Chinese...
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Ok. So are all Kunyomi readings Yamato Kotoba? Because it seems to me that kanji is generally used even for words that aren't derived from Chinese...
Yes, kun-yomi are yamato kotoba.

There was Yamato Kotoba X in Japan in the first place.

Kanji Y was imported into Japan,
and Kanji Y represented a similar concept to Yamato Kotoba X.

Ancient Japanese people gave Yamato Kotoba X to Kanji Y,
and they started to use Yamato Kotoba X as a kun-yomi of Kanji Y.
 
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