[JP] Fate/Zero [EngSub]

[WTK]

via muhootsaver | Box 1 listings - Amazon Japan / CD Japan

First Fate/Zero BD-Box will be released on 3/7. 39900yen. Includes English subtitles.

Video：16:9 / HD Widescreen / 1920×1080p / MPEG-4 AVC
Audio：LPCM(stereo)　48KHz / 24bit
Subtitles: Japanese, English

- 7 discs (5 BDs + 2 CDs)
- Artbox (illustration by Takeuchi Takashi)
- Digipak
- Fate/Zero Animation Material
- Bonus clips

◆ Main Blu-ray discs
- episode 1 ~ 13. uncut original edition

◆ Special features
- New bonus clip (script: Nasu Kinoko)
- Trailers, TV spots
- Non-credit OP/ED

◆ Audio CD
＜Disc 1 「Fate/Zero Original Soundtracks Vol.1」＞- music by Kajiura Yuuki
＜Disc 2 「Original drama CD」＞- supervised by Urobuchi

◆ Fate/Zero Animation Material
- exclusive interview, production notes and arts

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[MelancholicMariya]

I hope to God it's cheap, or at least a reasonable price. I have a suspicion that they're going to be including subtitles and trying to release it in the US, similar to Ufotable's Kara no Kyoukai BD-Box.

But hey, that's one more slot for another show to buy this season. Guilty Crown looks rad, maybe that can take Fate/Zero's place.

[something]

Originally Posted by WTK

via muhootsaver

So it is indeed going straight to boxsets. Incredibly curious. This was guaranteed to be at least a 10k, if not 20-30k seller as singles if it was even half good (if that first F/SN anime sold 26k a presumably more competent anime has a good chance at doing the same or more), so moving to boxsets - without pricing it the same as 6 ~¥7140 discs - seems risky.

Will be very interesting to see if it pays off.

[hissatsu]

Originally Posted by something

so moving to boxsets - without pricing it the same as 6 ~¥7140 discs - seems risky.

I'd go farther than saying it seems risky. It seem to me to be a guarantee of them making less money. Every bit of evidence I've seen seems to indicate that boxsets sell less than singles, even if the boxset is cheaper than the total cost of the singles. It's great for me, if it's a lower price than singles, because all I care about is the total cost. I'd much rather spend $300 once than $400 spread out over 6 months. It seems like they're shooting themselves in the foot a bit. I'm sure it'll still sell very well, but I'm rather certain it'll be less than it could be.

[something]

Originally Posted by hissatsu

I'd go farther than saying it seems risky. It seem to me to be a guarantee of them making less money. Every bit of evidence I've seen seems to indicate that boxsets sell less than singles, even if the boxset is cheaper than the total cost of the singles.

Granted, we have very few examples of first-run boxsets coinciding with first-run singles. There were a few (uh... Casshern Sins, Real Drive... ??) but they generally were just horrid sellers in general and didn't rank on Oricon at all, singles or boxes, so sales comparisons don't mean much.

There are some that went DVD singles with BD boxes (Mazinger Z-hen, Suite Precure will be doing it too) at roughly the same time but that's not a straight comparison either.

Now yes, re-release boxsets almost always sell less than singles but any release done a year or more after the initial run ends can be expected to sell less.

So we're in pretty uncharted territory here. I cannot think of another example where a guaranteed hit was released straight to boxset. In the past that's always been something you did for shows you knew nobody would buy (e.g. the Marvel anime, or Togainu no Chi, or Kaiji Hakairoku-hen). I'd be frickin' fascinated to find out their thought process here. It can't be purely the international aspect, because I can't think of any way in which the numbers work in their favor...

I should also revise my cost comments a bit, in that although it's split cour they could be pricing it like a 2-cour anime i.e. 8-9 discs instead of 6*2. So if each box costs less than, ohhh let's say, ¥32,130 (¥7140 * 9 / 2), I don't see any way for them to come out ahead even if exactly the same number of people would buy a box as would buy the singles (on average).

[russ869]

Originally Posted by hissatsu

I'd much rather spend $300 once than $400 spread out over 6 months.

Good point. That especially true for me because I'm always late to the bandwagon and never manage to space it out over 6 months. For me it'd be like paying $400 at once.

What about Garden of Sinners? Are you convinced they would have made even more money on those BD if they were sold separately? This is clearly simplifying things, but do people really realize how much money was made on that show? I think ANN said they sold 25000 copies in the first week. 25k boxes times $400 = $10,000,000 sales!

[something]

Originally Posted by russ869

What about Garden of Sinners? Are you convinced they would have made even more money on those BD if they were sold separately? This is clearly simplifying things, but do people really realize how much money was made on that show? I think ANN said they sold 25000 copies in the first week. 25k boxes times $400 = $10,000,000 sales!

It's a re-release, so I don't know how fair a comparison it is. As for how much it made, ￥52,500 (MSRP includes tax) * 26,907 = ¥1,412,617,500 = $18.4m USD, depending on exchange rate. And subtract taxes and retailer cut and all that, but that's gross sales anyway.

Though that was part of what I was saying, we really don't have anything remotely comparable to this. No guaranteed hit on this level or even close has ever been released straight to boxset before to my knowledge. Straight to boxset has been exclusively the release model you take for shows you know nobody will buy.

[alamarco]

Originally Posted by MelancholicMariya

I hope to God it's cheap, or at least a reasonable price. I have a suspicion that they're going to be including subtitles and trying to release it in the US, similar to Ufotable's Kara no Kyoukai BD-Box.

But hey, that's one more slot for another show to buy this season. Guilty Crown looks rad, maybe that can take Fate/Zero's place.

I hope your suspicion is right. I would love for Fate/zero to be made into a box set like Kara no Kyoukai and be made with English subtitles. Considering we still don't have Unlimited Blade Works (AFAIK), getting a hold of Fate/zero would be a good deal.

[hissatsu]

Originally Posted by russ869

What about Garden of Sinners? Are you convinced they would have made even more money on those BD if they were sold separately? This is clearly simplifying things, but do people really realize how much money was made on that show? I think ANN said they sold 25000 copies in the first week. 25k boxes times $400 = $10,000,000 sales!

Yeah, and they sold like 70k copies per individual movie. Regardless of how well the box set sold, they made a lot more off the individual release.

Originally Posted by alamarco

Considering we still don't have Unlimited Blade Works (AFAIK)

That's not exactly much of a loss.

[alamarco]

Originally Posted by hissatsu

That's not exactly much of a loss.

Personally, thought the movie was superb and did a good job of fitting in the UBW route of the visual novel. I would of preferred an actual series, but I'll take what I can get.

If Fate/zero does indeed get English subtitles and it sells well it might convince FUNimation to put out UBW.