Edited Manga List

[jlazar]

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Magus427 said:

Yes, he did cover it up with star shaped pasties. Regardless of the manga being edited, it doesn't really matter since it was the creator making the edits of his own volition. Should that even be considered an edit if the creator wants to change their own work?


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Yes, sicne he didn't change it when he initially creasted the orignal work in Japan. An edit made for the US release is still an edit reguardles sof who did it/okayed it.

He's free to do it (although I don't particularlly respect him for doing so), but I'm free to call it an edit and not support it with my purchases.

[jlazar]

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Magus427 said:

Considering Hojo had a vested stake in the company himself and it was his own work he chose to edit (no one forced or asked him to), I can't see a reason to complain about it being "edited". I mean, he's the creator and its his work, he can do whatever he wants with it. I'd object if it was the company that published it requested he do it or something, but nothing like that happened.

-Magus

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How do you know this wasn't 'suggested' by the US marketers at Gutsoon? He must have gotten the idea from somewhere that he could sell more or cause less problems getting it into stores if he self-censored his work.

I doubt he just woke up one day and said, "You know, I should have put a pastie on that dancer."

In any case, it's an edit to the US release and it's a moot issue since Gutsoon is out of business.

[Rhodes]

Well he can change it if he likes... not like artwork doesnt change from the weeklies to the collections. however this change was only for the US market. So that is censorship even if he did it himself. I guess it was done so it could be marketed to a wider audience.

unless the change was also made to the JP version/collection. I would chalk it up as an edit/censorship item.

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Jim Lazar said:
Well, no matter who did it or 'okayed' it, it's still an edit made for the US release and it'll be on the list.

The old 'the original artist okayed it/did it him/herself' is just a convienent excuse for companies to dodge complaints.

In the end, the US release is edited and that is unacceptible to me.

[/ QUOTE ]No I understand that but actually some of the changes were not made just for the US release. Some were done for reprints in Japan. Though I don't know if all were in the Tokuma Shoten Perfect Collections that were released two years ago.

That's what makes this one tricky. I know of one where he was asked for a change and he did it (don't remember if that even got to see a GN or not if it was only in the Magazine) and the other was done long before Gutsoon. And of course there were a handful more that we never got to see. Hojo himself said he re-thought the purpose of those scenes and changed some of these through the years.

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Rhodes said:
unless the change was also made to the JP version/collection. I would chalk it up as an edit/censorship item.

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See the truth is that there were some changes in this category. I just don't remember which right now. Which is why I need to confirm tonight.

[Magus427]

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Jim Lazar said:
Yes, sicne he didn't change it when he initially creasted the orignal work in Japan. An edit made for the US release is still an edit reguardles sof who did it/okayed it.

He's free to do it (although I don't particularlly respect him for doing so), but I'm free to call it an edit and not support it with my purchases.

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There were many edits and changes made to the City Hunter collections released in Japan over the years. I don't even think his "original version" is even in print anymore over there. And like EChavez was saying, he's not sure the edit was made specifically for the U.S. version or not (and frankly, neither am I, I just know it's an edit made at some point). I had heard he'd be making some edits for the U.S. version to clarify things or change some scenes he didn't like, but I don't know if any of those edits really even saw print before Gutsoon/Raijin U.S. went out of the manga business to pursue film.

Bottom line for me is City Hunter was published over 20 years ago. I can see any creator wishing to go back and change things because they didn't like the way they portrayed something and wished they could change it. This is basically what Hojo did in his Japanese re-releases of City Hunter (whether all the changes were only made by him or by others, I couldn't say, bottom line is Hojo made them and he was ok with making them). If he wanted to make any changes to City Hunter when releasing it in the U.S. for the first time, that's his perrogative and as the creator, if he feels it presents his story better, I'm not about to complain.

The only reason I bought the novels is because I heard he was making the changes of his own volition, otherwise I would've boycotted them as well (like I am with Ten-ten).

-Magus

[Magus427]

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Jim Lazar said:
How do you know this wasn't 'suggested' by the US marketers at Gutsoon? He must have gotten the idea from somewhere that he could sell more or cause less problems getting it into stores if he self-censored his work.

I doubt he just woke up one day and said, "You know, I should have put a pastie on that dancer."

In any case, it's an edit to the US release and it's a moot issue since Gutsoon is out of business.

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Gutsoon wasn't really a U.S. company to begin with. Hell, both Gutsoon Entertainment and the U.S. Raijin Comics label were subsideries of the Japanese publisher Coamix who used the two "companies" to enter the U.S. manga market (even now Gutsoon's website has a mailing address listed in Japan to contact them). I remember reading at most Gutsoon had like 15 people on staff total in the U.S. and I have no idea what they did (I sincerely doubt one of those 15 people was going to tell the legendary Hojo to edit his work). Four titles were initially chosen to be brought over from the Coamix stable and one of them was City Hunter. Gutsoon/Raijin also had links to the websites of the Japanese creators so you could check out their current works, etc. (Note: I don't see any other U.S. manga publishers having any links on their websites to the websites of the Japanese creators).

If anything, Gutsoon/Raijin had trouble penetrating the American market despite having quality titles and having their books sell well to hard-core manga fans. I don't think marketing their books was so much a problem as just finding a company to distribute them to the B&M stores to begin with. For this reason alone I doubt editing was done to make it more "market friendly" since the titles had a hard time being distributed to the "market" to begin with. I ordered all my City Hunter manga from Diamond Distributers (the company that deals exclusively with comic book shops, etc.)

And I'll be honest, I doubt we'll be seeing City Hunter published again in the U.S. (which is a damn shame) anytime soon unless Raijin makes a comeback. I don't see Hojo Tsukasa letting just any company publish his work, especially one he's not directly involved in or not having close to total creative control when it comes to a company publishing his work like he did with Gutsoon/Raijin Comics in the U.S.

-Magus

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Magus427 said:

There were many edits and changes made to the City Hunter collections released in Japan over the years. I don't even think his "original version" is even in print anymore over there. And like EChavez was saying, he's not sure the edit was made specifically for the U.S. version or not (and frankly, neither am I, I just know it's an edit made at some point). I had heard he'd be making some edits for the U.S. version to clarify things or change some scenes he didn't like, but I don't know if any of those edits really even saw print before Gutsoon/Raijin U.S. went out of the manga business to pursue film.

-Magus

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Well looking at my Gustoon copies, the pasties didn't even make it to the GNs as that scene was not print into GN form.

So I can only take it that they were only in the magazine. I know that was a stink of its own on the Gutsoon forums as no one knew if they would be in the final book or not but they never made it that far.

[Yukino Miyazawa]

Detective Conan was changed to Case Closed (Viz Media), and there were name changes made to the main characters to match the Funimation dub of the anime.

[jlazar]

Added FMA vol 8 edit info