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axia777 7/3/2013 12:53:59 PM

True that redvector! That si what DC/WB needs to do now. Tell the movie what, where, and how just like Marvel/Disney.

JTime 7/3/2013 1:14:16 PM


Didn't see your response to my statement before, I had already logged out. Just in case you're still reading, I wanted to clarify: I wasn't talking about Man of Steel's box office when I said it had a "cold mojo", I was talking about the film's feel. I think they went too far to avoid the feel of the Donner films and made it too cold, sterile and without any sense of wonder or  romance. I think if it had those things, it would be making even more money. As iconic as Superman is as compared to Ironman, there shouldn't even be a contest as to which would make more domestically and yet, the forecast is that it will make similar numbers here.

Tha said, I'd rather not see a JLA movie that has the same feel as Man of Steel's cold mojo. I think that hurt it here.

axia777 7/3/2013 1:47:34 PM

@JTime - Oh, I get your point. My misunderstanding.

But I can say I disagree with it 100%. I think those very points you make are the main reasons why Superman Returns did not do well at the box office. Worldwide Superman Returns made $391,081,192 when all was said and done. Man of Steel is all ready at $526,105,846 worldwide. The proof is in the cash flow.  I think Man of Steel 2 will make tons more cash and the re-boot of Batman will blow the roof off.  Give it time, it will all come together.

JTime 7/3/2013 4:14:09 PM

axia777 - I agree about Superman Returns

I think it stayed too close to the Donner films. I think that the perfect movie should meet somewhere in the middle—give us the spectacle of MOS but don't forget the magic/Romance of Superman the Movie.

No arguing that MOS has made and is going to make loads of money but the steep drop off after its initial weekend and a mediocre reception domestically (for a film that should kill here and far outstrip the first Ironman's dometic take) indicate that something is off.

Of course, no one cares what I think. As long as it makes a profit, it may just embolden them to do more of the same instead of seeing room for improvement. We'll see.


vitieddie 7/4/2013 4:41:39 AM

um ... i dont see why MOS has to far outstrip the first IM's domestic take ... one could argue that IM was fresh and out of the blue while audiences are still feeling let down from SR ...

i do agree that they need to get some of the lighter stuff back ... romance, wit, funny bits ... i wonder if goyer and co. are listening to the fans

ignitethepages 7/4/2013 5:47:00 AM

vitieddie,  I do think that they listen to the fans.  I'm not saying that they (Hollywood) are trolling the web 24/7, but they definitely put feelers out there to see how people react.  I think some of the rumors (especially casting rumors) we hear are started by Hollywood to guage reaction.  

JTime 7/4/2013 7:24:42 AM

My thinking is that the huge initial box office for MOS indicates that Warner did an outstanding job of advertising that this movie was not connected to Superman Returns, but that the steep drop off as of the second week, shows that people were not thrilled with what they saw.

Ironman was a character that many who don't read comics had barely heard of, as opposed to Superman, who is known the world over by generations going back to the 40's. That's why I think that MOS's domestic take should far outstrip IM's, vitieddie. Could be wrong but that's how I arrived at that conclusion.

ElBaz13 7/4/2013 9:30:30 AM

MOS will not beat Iron Man's domestic take.

Iron Man's domestic was 318 million. As of yesterday, MOS was 66 million behind and lagging at already 5th spot at the box office. Add Despicable Me 2 (predicted 1st, Lone Ranger, possibly 2nd) and MOS will be pushed back any further. And even if it does beat IM, it will be very close but keep in mind, prices have changed since 2008, including the 3D ticket mark-up. So in the end, more people will have seen IM in the theatres over MOS.

Iron > Steel

JTime 7/4/2013 8:11:00 PM

ElBaz13 — Even if it doesn't that makes the point I was trying to make with axia777 and vitieddie.

MOS SHOULD HAVE beaten IM handily domestically considering how well-known Supes is over IM. I was saying that MOS missed out on being a bigger success by being such a sterile, cold film. The fix would have been to include a little of the romantic and wonderous feel of the Donner original (not try to duplicate it like Superman Returns) and that I hope that they don't copy MOS's tone for future DC films like JL.

blankczech 7/4/2013 10:13:02 PM

 DarthoftheDead  there was a distinct difference between Nolan's DK trilogy and The Avengers.  Parents who researched the contents of the films before allowing their pre-teen kids to see them will know what I'm talking about.

I'm not saying a vigilante dressed up as a Bat is real or serious...actually if you think about it, it's quite weird...what I am saying is that I thought TDK trilogy was too dark and too violent for my grandkids, I also thought that Nolan was trying to make statements about society in the films that were over the kids heads. 

On the other hand...I didn't think The Avengers would in anyway scar the little kids psyches and was happy to take them to see it.  The plot may have been a little hard for them to follow (with that whole jealous step brother thing) but it basically broke down to good guys vs, bad guys...and the good guys won fairly easily.  It wasn't much different than the Super Hero Squad that they watch on TV with real actors instead of animation.

I don't know exactly what a popcorn movie is...I'm thinking it's a movie that may not get particularly good reviews from critics but is a helluva lot of fun for movie goers,

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