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Whiskeymovie 9/30/2010 3:34:45 PM

The problem with TDK and Inception, is that upon first viewing, they seem amazing. Then, on subsequent viewings, you start to pick it apart and realize that shit doesn't make sense. Like, right from the start in TDK, a school bus pulls "out" of a bank, gets in line with other school busses and none of the bus drivers find that odd or call it in? It's little things like that. Nolan goes big, and he delivers, but only if you watch the movie once......all that being said, I still love TDK and loved Inception. Inception was an eye orgy in IMAX. Can't wait to see the next Bat's installment.....I'd like to see Ben Foster as a bad guy in a Nolan Batman movie. not sure which character, but he seems like he would be a good fit.

ElBaz13 9/30/2010 8:32:43 PM

Exactly my point thatguy1.

The Ledger Joker was a great acting job (his jail cell scene when he's clapping his hands is downright scary) but he was playing a serial killer.

As I said, I would have preferred a DC Universe Batman and a little less "realistic" and more the gothic look. Tim Burton had the gothic look and yeah, I will have to say Jack was a better Joker. Yup. Because Jack is Jack.

But the best Batman out there is the animated series. It's dark, but still stays a little lighter (non Schumacher neon-glow rubber nipple crap) and is within the DC universe. Joker and Harley are great. The Batman/Superman "movie" from the mid 90s (with Tim Daley and Kevin Conroy) was awesome. That's the Bats/Joker I want to see.

 

millean 9/30/2010 9:34:34 PM

Actually, the more I've seen of TDK, the more things I have been able to connect to one another.  But I still see Whiskey's complaints, as I wondered about the bus scene the very first time I saw the movie.  However, it that's the worst thing about TDK, then that ain't too bad.

I've only seen Inception once, but I didn't really care for it as much as I thought I would.  Oh well, what ya gonna do?

So the Human Target push back must have just been decided the last day or so.  I could have sworn that I saw a promo for the season premiere this week during last week's episode.  (Which, by the way, I hadn't seen before -- was that episode actually part of season one? -- the episode with Bpatiste, the assassian at the UN?)

OK, time to hit the sack...

monstermaniac 9/30/2010 9:53:52 PM

Whiskey: WOW I have to agree 100% with what you're saying. He makes these amazing films but after watching them numerous times you start realising how many flaws were in the scripts. I noticed that bus thing as well XD. TDK is a great movie but one I simply cannot watch a ton of times , for reasons such as that and lack of a REAL fight between the Joker and Batman. Anyways Bring on Levitt for Riddler :)

jorson28 9/30/2010 11:04:10 PM

TDK may not have deserved ALL the love it got (and is still getting from most), but it did what pretty much no other so-called "superhero" movie has, not counting its predecessor: IT MADE SENSE OF THE CHARACTER AND HIS WORLD.  It was as realistic as it could possibly be, and if you don't like the movie, that's probably why - because you're drawn to the more idealistic and colorful elements of these characters and you want the spectacle with the story.  Nolan's Batman is heavy on story but, even though I personally think TDK, in particular, has a very good visual style, it's low on traditional Hollywood spectacle. In any case, both Batman Begins AND The Dark Knight are, intentionally or otherwise, direct responses to the complaint that with Schumacher and, arguably, with Burton, the characters were not being taken seriously enough and the stories surrounding them were too predictable and flimsy.  Audiences wanted a different interpretation and they got it - and they'll get one more part of it, which I look forward to, though I personally am worried about Nolan's comments that seem to indicate that we'll see Batman either give up his crusade or get killed in the next (and final) movie. 

In conclusion, Batman, as a character, has gone through untold numbers of sometimes very different interpretations in almost all mediums, so to be overly harsh on any of it is kind of missing the overall points that go into making the character and his world so appealing and durable.  As for being part of an overall DC Universe onscreen... Superman was mentioned in the first 5 minutes of BATMAN AND ROBIN, yet EVERYONE hated that.  The characters really are so different that I'm not entirely sure a film would work with them ALWAYS together onscreen.  The suspension of disbelief required would probably be a little much.  Some things do work in comics that don't on film, or don't as well.  I think the reason the whole DC Universe concept seems to be working on Smallville is, first and foremmost, because it's not the focus of the show in every episode (actually, only 2 or 3 all season long), and because pretty much every superhero that shows up falls within the same general age and visual range as the show's mainstays.  One could argue that Dr. Fate and, to a lesser extent, Hawkman, have been exceptions to that - with Hawkman being older and Dr. Fate's costume looking like it came straight out of a 1980's Halloween costume shop - but they're considered "extreme" characters within the show's narrative confines to begin with, even as so-called superheroes go, and also do not seem to be used in quite the same ways or with the same regularity as the others (like Justin Hartley's too-often annoying Green Arrow).  

johnwhitetoledo 10/1/2010 12:01:27 AM

Whats funny that people are voicing complaints/observations about the gritty serial killer aspect of TDK and the joker is this; all the best Batman comics have dealt with the twisted pyschotics that Batman has dealt with. Dark Knight - HD screwed up mind. (We wont discuss DK2 it never happned..no nope.) But the Long Halloween was awesome as we that the Halloween killer was nothing more than a boy with daddy issues. Is that not what Batman is? Also Year one: here we have a man with a siggle path and he cannot figure out what to do. So he settles on a symbol that really comes in as he's about to die. Was it 'meant to be?' no it was something that he latched onto, a last straw, a desperate lunge at anything to saty alive and do the mission. Batman is really nothing than a moral psychotic, a killer who wont kill. In D&D he'd be Lawful Neutral. Is he good? No because he will do whatever it takes to get the job done...within his law.

Thats why the Ledger joker was amazing  and the jail cell scene ran so true, he is everything Batman is'nt and cant be. he's Chaotic nuetral. he would galdy do something good and virteous if it fouled up and confused batman. He is the perfect batman foil. My question is is this what Kane had in mind, or was it simply something the writers have created?

Batman is one of the greatest creations in modern American Mythology. Whereas Superman is nothing but purity driven back before the PC crap came in; he was the embodiment of the american dream and proudly said so. He is the public face of the Dream - the Face we want to see. Batman is the dirty hands behind the scenes: the Cia, the black ops, the Gitmo bases...doing the job any way he can, just walking up to the line and praying that today is'nt the day he tumbles over. the Joker satnding there mocking him.

 

I hope to see in three (which I belive will be Nolan and Bales finale) some villian that is worthy of the Pathos and chaos. As much as I woukd love to see a great catwoman in tight leather again ( Laura Baccarin?) I would love if the love affairs were left behind and the showed batman 100% focused on the villian. A really well written riddler would be a great villian.

johnwhitetoledo 10/1/2010 12:02:13 AM

Whats funny that people are voicing complaints/observations about the gritty serial killer aspect of TDK and the joker is this; all the best Batman comics have dealt with the twisted pyschotics that Batman has dealt with. Dark Knight - HD screwed up mind. (We wont discuss DK2 it never happned..no nope.) But the Long Halloween was awesome as we that the Halloween killer was nothing more than a boy with daddy issues. Is that not what Batman is? Also Year one: here we have a man with a siggle path and he cannot figure out what to do. So he settles on a symbol that really comes in as he's about to die. Was it 'meant to be?' no it was something that he latched onto, a last straw, a desperate lunge at anything to saty alive and do the mission. Batman is really nothing than a moral psychotic, a killer who wont kill. In D&D he'd be Lawful Neutral. Is he good? No because he will do whatever it takes to get the job done...within his law.

Thats why the Ledger joker was amazing  and the jail cell scene ran so true, he is everything Batman is'nt and cant be. he's Chaotic nuetral. he would galdy do something good and virteous if it fouled up and confused batman. He is the perfect batman foil. My question is is this what Kane had in mind, or was it simply something the writers have created?

Batman is one of the greatest creations in modern American Mythology. Whereas Superman is nothing but purity driven back before the PC crap came in; he was the embodiment of the american dream and proudly said so. He is the public face of the Dream - the Face we want to see. Batman is the dirty hands behind the scenes: the Cia, the black ops, the Gitmo bases...doing the job any way he can, just walking up to the line and praying that today is'nt the day he tumbles over. the Joker satnding there mocking him.

 

I hope to see in three (which I belive will be Nolan and Bales finale) some villian that is worthy of the Pathos and chaos. As much as I woukd love to see a great catwoman in tight leather again ( Laura Baccarin?) I would love if the love affairs were left behind and the showed batman 100% focused on the villian. A really well written riddler would be a great villian.

ponyboy76 10/1/2010 4:33:08 AM

JohnWhiteToledo took the words right out of my mouth. Every great Joker interpretation in the comics has been a psychotic killer. Even now, in Batman & Robin, he's a wack job. I don't what other Joker you guys wanted, but Ledger's Joker was the one I had been waiting to see for years on screen. He is the total opposite to Batman. You can keep that bad comic acting Joker from the tv show.

syxxblade 10/1/2010 6:43:52 AM

Called it two years ago, and still sticking by it:

The Riddler, just starting out in the crime biz after most of the Marcone mob is now being buried by infighting, but also because another highly skilled newcomer in town that seems to have a penchant for fighting has been secretly dismantling organized crime, DEATHSTROKE. In truth, the Riddle hired Deathstroke to help topple the remains of the Marcone and put him as the top dog of crime.  After all, the Riddler isn't much of a fighter. Good quote potential here "I'm an IDEA Man!!!!"  Batman, being  a fugitive now and unable to operate as freely as before, is doing his best, but numerous times he's been head off by police officers who have been publicly (and against their will) told to apprehend him by Gordon. Also, numerous other 2nd tier villians  such as Firebug, and MAYBE Killer Croc have been not only causing damage in Gotham and in turn, inadvertantly adding to the problems the Riddler faces in keeping control of his crime kingdom even with a hampered Batman.  The Riddler decides to shift the focus away from bedlam, and goes for "Organized chaos", putting a bounty on "Who is the Batman?" for anyone who wants it, causing all the baddies to focus on finding Bats, and to some extent, even some of the REAL Police would explore this idea. There could be a great speech in here from Gordon about how the corruption that almost destroyed Gotham before could seep back in at anytime if the REAL police succumb to the criminal way of thinking.  Of course, the money is good for Deathstroke, but he looks at the idea of actually toppling one of the greatest opponents that have surfaced in a long time. You could DEFINATELY end it with the Riddler finding out who Batman is, and the whole end scene to Hush, where the Riddler threatens to publicly out him. But the Batman counters with. "That won't work in the end Edward. 'Who is Batman?' is the riddle, and whats a good riddle with an answer In the end, Gotham sees that Batman is indeed their Dark Knight, as the alternatives are just clearly wrong.

Riddler: The one and only Crispin Glover. (George McFly/Creepy thin dude from Charlies Angels)

lracors 10/1/2010 7:46:04 AM

One thing's for sure Nolan isn't going to do any fantastical villains so you can rule out Firebug and Croc. As much as I would love to see say "Clayface" with Nolan... ain't gonna happen.

As for The Joker and Ledger... ZOMG that was the Joker I've always wanted to see on the big screen.  Yah when the first Batman came out i loved that film, but Ledger > Nicholson by a huge margin.

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