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blankczech 7/11/2013 4:34:28 PM

 The most watched music awards shows are...The Billboard Music Awards and the Grammies.

Each show divides music into several categories and then presents awards to artist in each of them.

The winners of the Billboard Music Awards are based on sales, downloads and airplay.

The winners of the Grammies are based on the voting of people in the music industry (the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences).

If you check the winners in each Awards show you'll notice that in most cases the artists who win Billboard awards for selling the most product are not the same as the artists who win grammies for supposedly being the most talented. 

So what do you think Maniacs...how do we decide who is better Marvel or DC...do we check the financial statements or do we decide which is the higher quality product?

Is Marvel moving more product because they've dumbed things down for mass consumption and by getting in bed with Disney the geniuses of mass market family entertainment?

Is a Toyota better than a Honda because Toyota sells more cars?

...just  playing devil's advocate.

ElBaz13 7/11/2013 5:57:42 PM

You shouldn't use the Grammies as an example here.  You're giving the "best" award show too much credit.

Grammies lost me when Jethro Tull beat Metallica for best heavy metal act. Even Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull was embarassed. Good lord. In 1980,  Pink Floyd the Wall did not win best album of the year and lost to fucking Christopher Cross. WTF?

So seriously. Grammy winners don't mean s.hit.

Go back to Chef Boyardee.

 

phantomman 7/11/2013 7:44:16 PM

Lol.. dude, how old are you DarthBob? 12?

DarthBob is a troll who jizzes his pants every time he gets an opportunity to use the word "MoShite" on any thread he can.  Pay no mind.

I will say you are changing no one's mind and making a fool of yourself at the same time.  Kudos!

This clip does nothing for me.  A resounding "meh"  Justice League was fantastic.  Finished way too soon.  Only the good die young............

phantomman 7/11/2013 7:49:49 PM

As far as my opinion goes... money making ability should be a factor but it's not the end all be all.  IM3 was bullsh!t and made loads of money.  So did Transformers (which I loved) but a lot of people hated.

I think DC is purposely trying to take a more artistic/serious approach to their movies to differentiate them from Marvel.  The Marvel movies are going by the same formula Pirates of the Caribbean and Lone Ranger have gone.  Which works... but there is more than one way to do a superhero movie.

A GL show would have been awesome.  Explore territory beyond Batman and Superman please.  Flash would be cool too.

phantomman 7/11/2013 7:50:59 PM

well........ it worked for "Pirates" at least  lol

DarthoftheDead 7/11/2013 9:00:40 PM

EIbaz - Great example's, Sir!...........EIBaz13, FTW.........

lazarus 7/11/2013 10:20:11 PM

Let me see, without talking down to anyone here, you know what drives the entertainment industry right?

MERCHANDISING!!!! So if you can't sell an action figure of it, toy of it, or other tangible marketable, PROFITABLE item, then it is not worth doing. Anyone with a slight bit of college knows finance teaches you RIO. Return on Investment.

Well boys and girls, that is the name of the game. Especially with comic properties because the fact is that the target demographic is going to BUY toys and tickets for the movies. DVDs/Blue Ray sales, all that after movie profit which is the real make or break for most productions.

Marvel, while maybe sacrificing the quality, is outselling the living shite out of DC in all venues right now.

DC has had MULTIPLE opportunities to get it's shit together and has not. It has a template of what works, and they abandoned it.

Marvel even is making choices based on money. The Avengers: EMH series was by far one of the BEST Marvel animated series ever and was just beginning to tap the expanded Marvel universe when it was shut down. All in favor of a more "marketable" Avengers platform that tied into the movie verse more accurately. Time will tell if it is quality or not.

Personally I don't like the acts of desperation from DC and they way it seems every time they get some momentum going they self sabotage their efforts. See the falling out between Legendary Pictures and them. See the cancelation of YJ and GL TAS. I liked their video efforts up to Justice League Doom. TDKR was very good, voices were wrong in my opinion but the acting was incredible.

I guess what I am getting at is both sides have their strengths, DC seems like it can't get outta it's own way.

Perhaps, Maybe, SOMEHOW, we will see them get it together in our lifetime, the clock is ticking though and this opportunity has a shelf life. People are going to lose interest in the CBM fad and it will pass like any fad. If they wait too long there might not be a market anymore for Bats and Supes.

ElBaz13 7/12/2013 4:47:42 AM

You're right Laz. Merchandising is the big key.

Sure a lot of people loved the dark and gritty realistic TDK and TDKR but sadly, could not make money outside of the box office receipts. Joker or Bane action figures? No thanks.  The Dark Knight bedsheets? Not really? How about characters at them parks? Doubt a Joker a la Heath Ledger would be a big draw for character photos. Plus if I'm not mistaken, DC characters are no longer at Six Flag parks so that reduces their exposure.

Disney as "evil" as people say they are, are also smart business people. They didn't buy Marvel Comics because comics were profitable (they are not). They did it for the characters. In the long run, this acquisition will pay itself off as these characters are timeless. Merchandise will always exist. The next step will be them parks (if they can pry them from Universal), etc...

 

shac2846 7/12/2013 9:34:54 AM

 Laz, your right about the merchandising. But how could they sell Young Justice merchandise when cartoon network kept putting the show on extended hiatus breaks after only airing a few episodes. Even when the show first aired CN would air like 7-10 eps then break for 5 months or so then come back with a few more eps then go on extended break. They finally get a saturday morning time slot paired with green lantern and then CN pulls YJ (just starting it's second season) and GL after airing only a few episodes. Never played the show in reruns during the week. How were kids suppose to get interested in a show that's hardly ever on.

The creative team did their best with Green Lantern. It was really good I thought but because it was suppose to keep intrest in GL after the movie and the movie flopped only fans and a few kids tuned in to watch.  

hanso 7/12/2013 11:00:47 AM

Looks like poop.

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