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joelr 2/22/2013 10:04:51 AM

Well, considering Card has written essays for the organization that suggest someone who is homosexual is the product of rape, abuse or pedophila, I would classify that as disturbing in my view. Having an opinion is fine, and so is expressing it, but for my personal moral compass it strikes me as very hateful and, truthfully, foolish. It's taking a traditionalist view to an extreme, and one that degrades a group of people who have been without much of a lifeline for the majority of history.

Like I said, I'm not trying to tell anyone what to think. The article is an op ed piece, so I expressed my personal opinion during one portion of it. I'm sure you can find extreme and disturbing examples on every side of this arguement, but that's not what I was referring to in my article. Personally, when I laser focused on Card and everything that he has said and done, I made an assessment, and I'm sticking with it. And again, I have never, nor will ever, tell anyone not to read or support Orson scott Card. It's your choice.

DaForce1 2/22/2013 10:26:03 AM

 I'm not picking it up mainly because OSC's Ultimate Iron Man stories sucked ass. I have much better things to spend my money on, comic book-wise.

I am interested to see how Lionsgate is going to handle the panel for Ender's Game at Comic Con. Not only will that be an interesting panel, but I think it's going to be extremely controversial if OSC appears.

lazarus 2/22/2013 10:41:27 AM

Here we go again, last time we took this thread to 8000. Seriously? Get over it. IT DOESN'T MATTER.

Can he write a good story and does it contain his agenda


tjanson 2/22/2013 11:30:28 AM thoughts exactly...If a bunch of stores decided to not carry Batwoman because of the gay marriage storyline the left wackos would be up in arms.  People YOU DON'T FRIGGIN GET IT...The idiot liberal media jumps on the Batwoman story because they see DC Comics as being progressive.  It has nothing to do with being progressive.  DC, Marvel, Image, etc...they produce stories for one sell as many comics as possible.  They know stories like this or Robin being killed, superman getting married or being killed are going to be picked up by the mainstream media and generate sales.  No one gives a crap when Superman fights Lex Luthor for the millionth time but kill him off and all of a sudden everyone is a comic book fan.  It's all about and has always been about making money.  If Marvel thought they could make sales by turning Thor into a frog they would do it...umm wait a minute...

tjanson 2/22/2013 11:32:44 AM

oh and by the way...BOYCOTTS DO NOT WORK!

tjanson 2/22/2013 11:34:44 AM

Lazarus...a voice of reason finally.  I'm sick up people trying to shove their beliefs down my throat whether they think they are politically correct or not. 

jedibanner 2/22/2013 11:50:04 AM

tjanson, boycotts would work if there was more being done but most don't want to because they think it won't change nothing...

It has to start somewhere.

I think right now most people are just sharing their opinion...but having one lest anti-gay activist in this world would be a good thing IMO but, then I would become what he's I can choose to boycott him and that's where it ends.

To each it's own.

Kaziklu 2/22/2013 11:53:04 AM

 @Darthbob where are you getting your information? I have found no information about Mr Card donating 10s of Millions to charity, nor can I find any suggestion that he has a networth to allow for that. 

@ObiWannaJones - NOM is advocating preventing change and the prevention of civil rights to people in a civil setting based on religious view into law of the United States and fighting against laws that provide those rights in keeping with the secular not religious nature of Marriage today as a legal contract under the state. 

Comic books often protray the progressive and tolerant views of the period, anti-gay stories are not in keeping with the progressive or in many cases the legal views of the nations and states that these stories are being read, and those places where Homosexuality, as well as Gay Marriage at the Civil level is illegal today are occasionally viewed as intolerant, backward, often prejuidice places. (Like Saudi Arabia, Iran or Syria for example where even women lack certian basic rights) 

NOM can not seperate Marriage from it's legal and religious elements and because of that it's views are in fact outdated and intolerant, and often disturbing. 

GLAAD is not much better, they see them selves as fighting for their rights against a Gov't body that is often closed minded and heavily funded by groups with similar views as NOM. Right or Wrong they often push too hard and can turn people off, but their over all fight is a just one. GLAAD is no worse the NAACP at it's hay day, the Anti-Defimation League which will attack anyone that so much as critizes Israeli political decisions as being an attack the entire Jewish people, or any number of other Interest Groups that feel they are a minority under attack. Much like the Tea Party, and NOM. 

It is the far side of every arguement that people see first hand, it is our job as citizens of our respective nations to try not to fall to the edge, the fringe, of an issue but to stay near the middle and view both sides with diligence and understanding of what they represent. View the information and make our own decisions, and those decisions eventually become strong enough for Gov't's to take action one way or another. 

My faith had a early leader that would give his students a copy of a book, and tell them to do their own research on everything, as he was not perfect and if he made a mistake then their research could correct it and make the faith and practices better. In the book there were intentional mistakes in some copies, that were never corrected because his students didn't do their research, they then later taught people, who then taught people... by the 70s it had gone about 5 times removed, and the mistakes were still in many copies of the books. Of course when the book was published in the 70s (even though it shouldn't have been) the mistake was seen and to some extent word got out, because eventually someone actually did the research. 

Not all copies had this mitake of course and only a small number of people truely got caught with the error, but it is a lesson that we have to make our own conclusions. It's also a lesson that most people will believe what they are told without question, and sometimes the only way to get people to change their belief even after being presented with evidence to the contray, is through at least a little redicule. 

There is no evidence that Homosexuality is not naturally occuring, Marriage is today in the civil legal sense in secular culture a contract between two parties granting certian rights under the law. This Contract can be terminated in the form of Divorce which is done through the state, seperate from and without the need for input from religious bodies even if those religious bodies don't reconize divorce a person is still no longer married in the eyes of the law. 

If the State were to try to force religious bodies to accept and practice marriage in their religious system of homosexuals if that religious body didn't approve, acknowledge or support such unions, I would fight the state as best I can as the State has no place interfering in Religion, no more then Religion as a place interfering in the State. 


CyanideRush 2/22/2013 12:17:28 PM

 @Kaziklu: That's one of the most reasonable things I've ever seen posted in the Mania comments section. Kudos.

Similarly, kudos to anyone keeping to reasoned discussion. It's always far easier to angrily react and post nonsense on the internet. Glad to see most folks here are retaining their rationality and a sense of civility.

shac2846 2/22/2013 12:22:10 PM

 Joel did you ever advocate a boycott of marvel when they started publishing enders game comics or Card's work on ultimate iron man. Nothing personal to you because I'm a fan of comicscape and the work you do on the website here but you seem a little jump on the bandwagon charlie with this article.

Also, no one can even say on this site or any other whether the superman story will contain any anti-gay politics. If Card isn't using it as a soap box I don't really see how this is fair. Yes he may use his profits to support anti-gay causes but it seems like a longshot. I know, I know your not saying we shouldn't read card's work but this whole article seems unfair. Not to mention the fact we've been talking about this on the other gay comic thread for a few weeks now. Sad that these PC topics always seems to be the biggest news in comics today. 

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