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shac2846 2/22/2013 2:18:45 PM

 I understand caveman and I agree with you. I guess my issue is this let's boycott superman thing started weeks ago and it just keeps getting bigger and it seems like it's over nothing. For instance this David Gerroll thing writing a letter to DC asking for them to hire him to balance CArd's views. If Card isn't writing a political agenda driven story what needs to be balanced exactly? I agree with you I despise Sean Penn but I wouldn't not go and see a movie of his because of it. A good movie is a good movie. But I have skipped a few of his films for his political aganda stuff but I didn't boycott the man outright. 

joelr 2/22/2013 2:22:33 PM

The Christian world is well represented, particualrly in this country, it's pretty much the default for any white male character, there is really no need to create a specific character, you've got more than you will ever need.

Religion is a belief, being homosexual is not. Christianily has been responsible for an inordinate amount of closemindedness and has pretty vocal zealots, it's not really a surprise they would get a decent share of villainy in popular culture. Just as the burgeoning civil rights of gays has led to more gay characters. Writers feel which way the wind is blowing, and use it. Maybe in 100 years all gays will develop vampirism, then all gay characters will be vampires, and there will be Christian characters who do battle with the vampire gays. Then the gay vamps will be up in arms that they are getting the short end of the stick in comics and pop culture. It's a never ending cycle.

Christianity was never painted as wrong in this discussion, Card is a Mormon. That being said, any organization, such as NOM, who actively discriminates against a group of people, based on religious beliefs, is not going to get much sympathy. Logic has to win at some point.

SarcasticCaveman 2/22/2013 2:23:32 PM

 I wasn't aware of the "balance" issue...hmmm, that is also pretty suspect.  Perhaps Gerroll assumes that Card's story will have an agenda?  I don't know, just playing devil's advocate here.  

SarcasticCaveman 2/22/2013 2:25:37 PM

 joelr - will the gay vampires sparkle?  I would definitely watch THAT movie, where sparkly vampires get killed.  LOL

joelr 2/22/2013 2:29:49 PM

@Shac THe Willingham thing is a bit different too, as far as I know he hasn't gone to any extreme even close to Card. Card has come pretty damn close to the "Wipe them out" mentality. Not killing all homosexuals, but pretty much erasing them from society. And that's the thing, which I wrote in the article, Card is not just a guy who made a few off-hand remarks. He actively funds an anti-gay organization, that has some pretty extreme views, ones that should leave any gay comic fan stunned and saddened. Hence the question- how does it affect you as a reader?

Alan Scott may have been a publicity stunt, sure, but in the end the fact that he is gay isn't hurting anyone, or discriminating against anyone. Do you think it's a good business move for DC to re-introduce Scott, and then hire Card? Sales may spike, but what about public perception?

@Sarcastic, very valid and well said points.

shac2846 2/22/2013 3:16:31 PM

Well then wouldn't that be DC's fault for hiring Card after making the huge PR stunt out of the Scott is now gay thing? You don't think they knew about Card's views on homosexual marriage before they hired him. And while were at it Marvel for that matter.

See I don't see it as being different for the simple fact that anyone with a conservative bent is lumped in the same category as hateful and biggoted my the media and that's why I thought it was wierd that Willingham's writing of JSA didn't raise as much of a stink. Although he has written a lot of riskey stuff so maybe the initial backlash from fans was unwarranted to begin with.

I have found that while writing these responses and looking Card's stance up as you said that he asked for a law to ban homosexual sex in the 90's but renigged on that. He still maintains his stance against homosexual marriage and has simply spoken out for people who believe in traditional marriage to stand up for it. I haven't found anywhere where he advocates violence against homosexuals. If you know of a site that has some info i"m not getting I'd be glad to check it out. 

Thanks for the civil debate though Joel. I appreciate that.



Kaziklu 2/22/2013 3:56:50 PM

 Thanks @CyanideRush of course this is the internet and the reasonable are speaking a language that the internet can't hear or understand.

Tevii 2/22/2013 4:19:22 PM

@jotrson28 - just to let you know where I stand right off, I think religion is the problem with this world, and i abhore religion,

BUT that being said, your comment "PS: If you think it's so great for a company like DC to give more kinds of people characters to identify with, then where is the proudly straight, patriotic, Christian hero -" is 100% accurate.

Though I hate religion and think its the cause of every negative thing in history, i also acknowledge that this is my opinion and know that this is the USA.  Where freedom of religion is supposed to mean something.

I feel this double standard is ALSO reflected in race when it comes to characters. Every white character is expendable in the name of diversity, but that in and of itself is just more racism.



Tevii 2/22/2013 4:32:33 PM

@jorson28 - though many seem to not like Rob Liefled for his art, he does happen to be a devout Christian and many of his characters reflect that. You may want to look into some of his creator-owned titles

Wiseguy 2/22/2013 4:47:06 PM

From this day forth I'm boycotting all of Joel's pieces til he puts Ender's Game in the shelf prominently where it belongs.

Liberals need to be more open to others' views.  



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