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stonedtodeath 10/10/2012 6:45:26 AM

I was actually dissapointed with AVX and agree with you about the continuity issues.  I may be alone on this, but one of the main reasons I am a fan of Rick Remender is he keeps most of his characters in flux with what is going on outside their world.  Uncanny X-Force pretty much all but ignored AVX, but they didn't ignore Deadpool losing his healing factor or Evan getting kidnapped from Wolverine's school.  My favorite comic over the past two years or so has been X-Force and Uncanny X-force, sure there was a bad plot line or two (the whole omniverse plot was confusing) but they did tie that story in with the death of Fantomex and the skinned man.  Just one humble comic reader's perspective.

aegrant 10/10/2012 8:40:06 AM

I guess I will wait for the AvX graphic novel to hit my local library cause the price of comics are just to damn high to buy all these cross over issues.

FerretJohn 10/10/2012 9:47:06 AM

I was disappointed with the thing myself.  Marvel said after Seige they were laying off the grand cross-over events.  Too many were going on, in both Marvel and DC, each one turning their respective universes on their ears.  But what did Marvel do next?  They hit us with Shattered Heroes followed immediately by Fear Itself and then by AvX.  It's way too much.  AvX was massively long and convoluted, going everywhere from San Fran to the Kree homeworld, and spanning every book that had any connection to the two franchises plus several produced specifically for the event, for the budget required to buy all the books could've bought a decent car instead.  And now the universe is tossed again.  Cyclops and Emma are (presumably) broken up with both now in prison.  Storm, who just joined the Avengers (a move I thought was a good one) immediately left and is now divorced.  Xavier is dead (for now).  Wakanda's been destroyed and Utopia's gone.  All the mutants who were depowered are now getting their powers back.  The only mutant they didn't bring back, and should have, was Jean Grey.  If anyone should've been involved in this it was her.  

And here comes Marvel NOW!.  Not a reboot I'm told, not like the total mess that DC's New 52 is, more like a bit of house-cleaning from what I've heard.  The one thing I'm a little hesitant on with this new chapter is the massive flood of Avengers books.  Mighty Avengers, New Avengers, Secret Avengers Uncanny Avengers, A X, and I think a couple more, wringing that franchise for all it's worth.  We'll see how it all goes, though I'm sure a new mega-event is in the works to turn everything around again.

 

jedibanner 10/10/2012 11:48:28 AM

Ferretjhn, maybe a ''spoiler alert'' might help for those who didn't read the whole thing.

I think Fear itself and anything after was a sign Marvel was trying to do good cross-over events but were not able to keep the continuity in check because there was too many players involved.

Fear itself was beyond boring and had no impact but AvX had a cool idea and promised some good fights...but then it just went on for too long and the story didn't seem to follow a stream of logic as different writers would come in and write # 1, 3 and 9. I'm sure down the road they talked about who would do what and how but for me that is the problem.

Say what you will about Bendis but Secret Wars, Avengers Dissassembled, House of M, secret Invasion and Siege all had a logic to it and the players involved all had one leader, Bendis. He was able to put things together, bring in different characters but was all planned since the beginning and it showed.

Fear Itself was just horrible, horrible IMO but AvX was just not well written. I was disapointed in the way certain characters were brough in and just be seen 4 panels in the background (if Cap makes an effort to approach Hulk, couldn't Hulk actually get a few good panels of an impact he could make???)

Like you said Joel, the series itself felt it had only some major players, it should've been written more from their point of view and not advertise that both roosters of both team would make an impact.

In any case, it was a fun read but nowhere near as the events of the past by Bendis.

FerretJohn 10/10/2012 4:47:47 PM

Jedi, you're right, a SPOILER ALERT might have been appropriate.  I also agree with you about the Hulk.  Cap makes a big point of asking him to join in the fight and Hulk going "Hulk Fights with you"  But then what did the Hulk do?  Just hang out in the background and do one failed Fastball Special with Wolverine (I was about to do a Spoiler Alert there but Richenbach already mentioned it in the article).  Hulk's one of the most powerful of the Marvel heroes (possibly THE most powerful), he shoulda been more active in the final fight.

jedibanner 10/10/2012 5:33:15 PM

Well said ferretjohn, the Hulk should've made a larger impact especially now that apparently he will be an agent of S.H.I.E.L.D., it would've been the best way to bring that in the story.

But, Joel and all, read the Uncanny Avengers # 1, many things I think that should've been in the last AvX #12 are in there and it's a great read, the art is great but the writting is very good, let's just say Rogue is quite vocal on how she feels about Scarlet Witch.

FerretJohn 10/10/2012 6:23:44 PM

The Hulk, and agent of SHIELD???  No.... just....  No!  I know SHIELD, like all the other intelligence agencies worldwide, have a vested interest in knowing where the Hulk is at all times but even at his most stable, when Banner was controlling the body, I would never think of him as a SHIELD agent.

ddiaz28 10/11/2012 6:23:23 AM

Overall I enjoyed AvX.  It's probably because this event coinciding with me buying an iPad 3 is what got me started reading Marvel books.  Before this, all I had ever read was Walking Dead.  But when I heard about AvX I went and bought all the event issues the programme guiude suggested reading leading up to this one so I would be all caught up.  It was great reading them all back to back and I think it helped me enjoy it better.  

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I think my biggest gripe is one mentioned in the article, how powerful is each character?  Seems like it kept changing.  I mean, if Cyclops could take out Prof. X with a thought, why didn't he do that to everyone?  And why do his blasts simply knock people back instead of obliterating them?  You would think a Phoenix powered Emma Frost could control everyone's minds at once or something?  It just felt like even though these mutants were powered by the Phoenix, they didn't seem all powerful.  

I did love how Hope and Wanda ended it all though.  Definitely came full circle from House of M.  I thought that was brilliant.  

Throughout the event I bought every digital issue tied into it.  I'll only be picking a few to continue with though since it was definitely costly to read everything.  Probably Wolverine and the X-Men, Uncanny Avengers, and whatever book Hope's story continues in.   I'm just mad X-Men Legacy is ending.  That was probably my fav book of all of them.    I'll have to find a new way to get my Rogue fix.  She's always been my favorit mutant.

joelr 10/14/2012 7:43:11 AM

Really great comments everyone, I appreciate it. Jedi is also right- many of my complains are addressed in Uncanny Avengers #1. Review is up now!

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