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InnerSanctum 6/6/2012 2:59:16 AM

 So hard to folllow.  Like giving a review of one film and then listing hundreds of other films...leaving you on your own.  Could you just narrow it down a bit?  Most people don't even read half the books you list.  Stick to what's popular and give a quick synopsis.  I'd rather have  review over six quality books than a list of what is being released.  

DaForce1 6/6/2012 3:52:57 AM

 Actually, I love the full list. It lets me (and others) see what's coming out for the week, and if there's anything I missed (like Image's Creator Owned Heroes, which I never heard about). It's not hard to follow, the article talks about one book, and after that, the list for the week is printed.

CyanideRush 6/6/2012 4:25:57 AM

@Joel: If I weren't giving my thoughts on it for the jam session, I'd likely be avoiding it altogether.

 

Dodgyb2001 6/6/2012 4:39:31 AM

All the more galling for Alan I imagine, as DC made him a promise to revert the rights to him should watchmen ever go out of print, which of course it hasn't.

I have a small connection to Alan Moore is my mate's mother has had the pleasure of having him sit for her as she painted his portrait, as they live near him in Northhampton.

jedibanner 6/6/2012 5:59:45 AM

yeah, keep with the long list, no narrowing down please. Most people DO read the books listed and don't stick to what's popular....

As far as this ''Before Watchmen'', DC ain't gonna see a dime from me on this pile of crap. I choose to ignore this continuity crapfest and is 10000000000000000% against this. DC has made sure to destroy what was unique and original about Watchmen and anhihilate everything that was so pure about this comic event.

Stupid suits and their lust for money.

Someone should start a protest and ban these books.

Roqueja 6/6/2012 6:16:01 AM

I stated my opinion on the Watchmen pre-stories when they were announced, to the tune of "Gimme some more."

They are well crafted characters that deserve the spotlight once more.  I want to read of how these characters got to the experience that they shared in Watchmen.  I want to know more of their connections, what makes them tick and more of their performance in action, and their limits.  I want more stories with characters of this caliber.  Alan Moore used many other authors characters in his stories, so I see no reason for other authors to refrain from using some of his as they do their very best to tell an engaging story.

 

gauleyboy420 6/6/2012 6:43:43 AM

The thing about  Moore's (and fans) indignance about what is being done to his creations is that he has committed the same transgressions on MANY other intellectual properties that were not created by him. He maintains no one should touch his creations, while he has made much of his career by writing and changing as he sees fit other peoples creations. The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, while fantastic and one of my favorite reads, is just one transgression. NONE of these characters were created by him, and he did not seek approval of the creators. YES, they are public domain, but that still goes against the very notions Alan Moore is putting forth as his objection to Before Watchmen.

And lets not forget, his original intention with Watchmen was to use Charlton characters, again characters not of his creation, and DC said no. Watchmen became stronger and more Iconic because of this IMHO, but there is also the fact that Nite Owl is a pretty carbon Copy of Blue Beetle. How fair is that to so blatantly copy an existing character?

Another example of Alan Moore writing, and drastically changing someone else's creation is Miracle Man (or Marvel Man) another GREAT read (and GOD I wish there were more than 25 issues) But the fact still remains, he had no moral qualms about the fundamental changes he made, and what would Miracle/Marvel Mans creators think about how he wrote Kid Miracleman?

Miracle Man also brings up another great point for me, in that to say no one can follow Alan Moore elevates him to a status that is false. YES, he is a GREAT writer, but not so great that another Great writer couldn't follow him. Niel Gaiman picked up around issue 19 (or 20 I think) on Miracle Man and really added new depth and perspective to the story and characters that I don't think Moore would have. I truly think these creators are talented enough to do the same for Before Watchmen

One more quick, but important thing to me that get overlooked too often. Dave Gibbons is co-creator of Watchmen, his opinion matters on this subject and he should be given more credit in this article and many others that I have read. Too often only one creator gets credit for fan favorite projects and with comics, the artist is just as much a creator as the writer. The artist interprets the words, he is a visual storyteller. Dave Gibbons is not against these books coming out, and his opinion should count to fans too.

Anyway, looking forward to reading these, and their reviews.

Also I love the pull list, helps me decide what to buy.

gauleyboy420 6/6/2012 6:44:45 AM

I cannot get the first part of the above comment to post... very frustrating...

jedibanner 6/6/2012 6:49:59 AM

I will try to respond again in a calmly manner and hold control over my emotions...

ARE YOU PEOPLE KIDDING ME????

Crap....lost it already.

But seriously, Roqueja, it IS fair to ''want more'' from a specific character, especially from Watchmen since they were written so wonderfully and perfectly.

But my beef with this is that it takes away the unique aspect of the story that was once existing. Sure we can ignore these new books but it's like sequels and trilogies, some are great but most are crap and they always, always take away what was original in the first one.

When the story was written originally, it was done in a single comic universe and was presented as a one off thing. It was written in that frame of mind that it was a once in a life time, ''only this once'' kind of story. I am willing to bet that if the idea was to create a new universe within the watchmen for a long term development, the original story would've been written differently from Alan Moore...most likelly he wouldn't even have written the damm thing knowing it would become a non-limited story.

THAT is why I'm against this...and the way DC is just cashing in on the popularity of the original mini-series and the fact that Alan Moore is so against this and yet the new generation of comic reader don't care about respect and honoring what was once established in the industry.

I know some will want to read more about this...your choice, no harm done. But from my end, I know I will ''defend my honor'' and respect the original material that was written in a way to be a one-off story ant leave it at that.

gauleyboy420 6/6/2012 6:55:42 AM

LOL! I admire you attempt at staying calm Jedi ;)

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