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The Comicscape/C2F Crossover Crisis

Going off on the movie rumors

By Chad Derdowski     February 24, 2010


Comicscape: The C2F Crossover Crisis
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Faithful Maniacs are familiar with Comics2Film, a regular feature here on Mania that keeps you up-to-date on all the latest goings-on in the world of superhero movies. Being fans of superheroes and film, it should come as no surprise that we are regular readers of C2F. Unfortunately, much of our time is dedicated to constant research into the world of superheroics and we usually don’t get a chance to chime in on the message boards. So why not take a week and dedicate Comicscape to some recent news and rumors? We’ll tell you what we think and you’ll respond with praise and admiration, telling us just how intelligent and knowledgeable we are in the realm of superheroes. Right? That’s what you’ll tell us, right?

Ladies and gentlemen, the biggest event of the year: the Comicscape/C2F Crossover!

 

Spider-Man 4 Casting Controversy

Oh boy. So far, we’ve heard rumors of Zac Efron, Logan Lerman, Robert Pattinson and about a billion others as possible front-runners for the role of the webhead. And even though he’s likely not on any lists to play Spidey, loyal fans on Twitter are campaigning for Joe Jonas to step into the webby boots in the next installment of the franchise.

A Spider-Man film rebooted back to high school aimed at a teenage crowd? How dare Sony even consider making a superhero movie that appeals to anyone under the age of 30 who doesn’t come equipped with an encyclopedia-like knowledge of the Marvel U? How dare they?!?!?!

That was a joke. We’re kidding… just kidding. Truth is, the omniscient voice of Comicscape doesn’t really care all that much. While we loved Spider-Man 2 to death, we didn’t think the first one was all that great and the 3rd installment made Ghost Rider look like Citizen Kane. So… it’s cool. We’re washing our hands of Spider-Man on film and just hoping for a quality flick that our children, nieces and nephews can enjoy. They don’t all have to be the Dark Knight.

And look at it this way, comic fans: remember how much you bitched about those insane lines at last summer’s Comic Con? The ones that were made up of Twilight fans whose rabid enthusiasm kept you from getting into Hall H? At least this time those lines will actually be for a comic book movie.

 

Captain… USO?

Director Joe Johnston’s remarks about Captain America being on the USO circuit in the film as a way to explain the star-spangled costume set the internet all abuzz a couple weeks back. A few loyal Captain America fans were outraged at the notion that we’d see Cap onstage in a chorus line, singing and dancing his little heart out alongside Bob Hope and Ethel Merman. Don’t worry, Maniacs – we made sure to get a copy of Spider-Man 3 into Johnston’s hands to ensure that he has an understanding that song n’ dance does not belong in a superhero movie.

We at Comicscape love the USO angle. In a comic book, it’s perfectly logical that once a man or woman gains powers, they put on a ridiculous outfit, but in a movie? Not so much. The USO story will add a bit of logic and hopefully a bit of humor to the film and should give it even bigger appeal to a mass audience. And we can’t wait to see an embarrassed Steve Rogers forced into action in the flag suit, only to find that he has become a walking, talking, real-life Uncle Sam that inspires the boys overseas and back at home to keep on fightin’ the good fight.

And the Invaders? We’re not holding our breath on actually seeing the entire team in action much, but hopefully this is our chance to at least get a montage of newsreels and newspaper clippings dedicated to the team. Our only request is that Union Jack’s costume is kept reasonably intact. Damn, do we love us some Union Jack.

 

Marvel Movie Continuity

Iron Man 2 director Jon Favreau told fans on Twitter that Iron Man 2 takes place before Incredible Hulk despite a scene at the end of Hulk featuring Stark and General Thunderbolt Ross. There’s a deleted scene in the Incredible Hulk that suggests ol’ Jade Jaws may be responsible for Captain America’s unthawing, even though we (not-so) clearly see Cap’s shield on Tony Stark’s workbench… what is this, Pre-Crisis DC? (or Post-Crisis DC, for that matter)

Considering how obsessed comic fans can be about their continuity, we’re a bit surprised this story didn’t tear the internet apart, though we’re quite proud of all of you who practiced such restraint. The official Comicscape opinion is: who f-ing cares? It’s a movie. About superheroes. Have fun.

 

Is Chris Nolan the Last Hope of the Last Son of Krypton?

So Warner Brothers has hired Chris Nolan to be the “godfather” of the next Superman film or something. We’re not really sure what that means but we think it translates to “do for Superman what you did for Batman”.

Now there might be some trepidation on the part of fans and a bit of fear that this announcement means that we’ll get a very dark version of Superman that isn’t in line with what we see in the comics. This is understandable due to the fact that Mr. Nolan tends to make very serious, realistic films that don’t exactly feel like big, flashy superhero blockbusters. Nolan works for Batman, but can he work for Superman?

Nolan’s Batman films may not be bright and colorful and certainly don’t feel like the type of world in which flying men and women could exist, they are incredibly respectful to the source material. Would it make sense for Christian Bale to be side-by-side with Green Lantern or Wonder Woman? No, it would probably feel very out of place. But has Nolan proven that he understands the Dark Knight’s psyche? Does he know what makes him tick? Oh hell yes.

Yeah, the guy has made some dark films and yeah, Warner Brothers have stated that they’d like to see the material taken as dark as it can go. But “as dark as it can go” doesn’t mean the same thing for Superman as it does for Batman and we have faith that Chris Nolan will understand that. The man didn’t get where he is today by being an idiot: give him a chance and let’s see what he comes up with. We have a feeling it’ll be super.

COMMENTS AND RESPONSES

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MrJawbreakingEquilibrium 2/24/2010 1:28:59 AM

Um, I don't get what you're trying to say about Iron Man 2 not making sense coming before Incredible Hulk.  For all we know it could have happened at any time.

mikemc2 2/24/2010 4:00:48 AM

Chris Nolan doing a Superman movie?? Good point though, his Batman really would not make sense side-by-side with the likes of Green Lantern (long-john / colorful unitard crowd).

Thus far I have basically been disappointed by DC based Superhero movies (and I am sorry to say while Batman gave me some hope, there are even some things about that franchise I do not like). I hope Mr. Nolan does not get too ambitious / artsy with Superman. He needs to remember. Boyscout / Big / Red-Blue costume (no body armour on this guy - he doesn't need it). Not some pretty boy, the character will work in his late 30's - like the Alex Ross version [personally think this version is most realistic looking].

Keeping my fingers crossed.

hanso 2/24/2010 5:27:44 AM

In Chris Nolan We Trust! He won’t be directing a new Superman film but I bet his name alone will attract better talent to the film than Singer’s version.

Wiseguy 2/24/2010 5:56:35 AM

You didn't think that the first Spidey was all that great? It's the best of the three by a mile. All that bullshit about Peter doubting himself to be Spiderman and all the talking and emo-Peter in part 2 made me nauseas. The first one was what a superhero movie should be, or rather what a Spider Man movie should be. Of course Raimi got too artsy with the second and vomitted on the third

The shield in Starks' lab doesn't have to be the original shield. It could be Stark working on one or trying to duplicate the first or maybe he just bought a replica from Sideshow, so that to me is a non-issue. And the Hulk scene isn't too hard to decipher once you realize that Stark hasn't accepted Fury's invitation in IM2

And after thinking on it I agree that Cap's USO's origin makes sense. I was on the fence about this in particular but after some heavy thinking and reflection :) I've come to accept it and even like it.

Nolan on Superman? I still have my doubts. Guess he'll need to bring in Darkseid to explore the dark subject matter he's more at home with. I have a feeling it won't be super

DarthDuck 2/24/2010 6:58:39 AM

Cap at a USO show is a fantastic idea!! I said it then, I say it now and I will say it always! Especially if an overseas show was attacked and Cap saved the day. It'd be a great "Holy sh*t, look what he can do!" moment.

While the concerns of who Nolan's Batman fits in with the rest of the DCU heroes in potential future films is a valid one, I think they could use it. In the comics he tends to be the answer to the 'which one of these is not like the other' question. The DCU is so fantastical that Batman usually does stick out. They should take Nolan's version and use the difference to their full advantage. It will make for an interesting relationship that would be fantastic on the big screen. In fact, I'll go so far as to say that I don't want any members of the League thinking they can work together. Each is so powerful and unique on their own they shouldn't want to work together at the start of things.

cdale78 2/24/2010 7:14:54 AM

Please do not cast Twilight boy as Spider-Man, other than that I don't care.  I was pretty surprised how fast the original skipped past high school as it was.  I'm for any move that gets rid of Kirsten Dunst.  She's a mutant.

I didn't see the exact quote, but being on a USO tour doesn't automatically mean he's going to be singing and dancing. 

Anybody that cares about movie continuity has far too little to worry about in their lives.  Actually, I could say the same for comic continuity, and I've been reading comics for 26 years.

Superman can't get much more dark than Supes as deadbeat dad and x-ray stalking Lois for 2 1/2 hours.  As long as they don't put him in a black costume and have him fighting giant spiders like they wanted to in the 90s.  Well, a giant spider might be cool. 

fft5305 2/24/2010 7:44:05 AM

I have no problem with IM/Hulk timing, for exactly the reasons pointed out. Also, the deleted scene from The Incredible Hulk was exactly that... deleted. I don't necessarily consider that canon. A neat easter egg, but not "fact."

No problem with the USO deal, either, if they play it right. Cap has to be rolling his eyes at the idea and loathing the whole spectacle, but feeling that he has to follow orders and he wants to do something in service of his country. From what Johnston said, I think he understands what needs to be done and he'll do right by Cap.

therockdltj 2/24/2010 7:47:03 AM

they could make a doomsday live action movie which could be a very dark movie. If i'm not mistaken there is even a superman in a black superman suit.

Gideon 2/24/2010 8:49:51 AM

Nolan's smart enough to know that DC is just asking him to take Supes seriously - no camp or corniness. Dark simply means to push Superman both emotionally and physically in a way that is as plausible as you can get within a superhero film. ...and while I'm one of the few who liked the Singer attempt, Nolan better understands how to balance drama with action.

Here's hoping that its a winner!

 

lister 2/24/2010 9:12:35 AM

As someone who has been completely underwhelmed by Nolan's take on Batman, I am kind of worried about what he may do to Supes. But anything, ANYTHING, would be better than Superman Returns. Even a re-release of Superman III...

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