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Betenoire 7/4/2012 12:57:52 PM



hanso 7/5/2012 4:59:06 AM

 Guess why?

Shogunn2517 7/5/2012 8:06:34 AM


Thank you for saying what you said.  You are so right and I agree so much, I actually have close to $200 riding on this.  There is NO WAY that TDKR will match what The Avengers did.  No.  Way.  It won't match TDK.  I will likely not even reach Star Wars.  In fact, I'll be surprised if the movie makes it to $400mil domestically. 

A lot of the points you said are valid.  The Dark Knight took a lot of people by surprise.  Batman Begins was good for a reboot, but it didn't exactly rock the box office.  TDK had a lot more for several different types to like other than simply comic book fans.  It crossed many genres.  Not only that, but the performances were stellar and surprisingly good.

The Dark Knight Rises won't have anything close to the surprise value TDK had.  Whether it's good or bad, it won't take anyone by surprise.  The thing that made TDK as successful and what's making The Avengers as successful is it's longevity.  It's been 9 weeks and it's still in the top 10.  That means not only are people coming back to see it not two, not three, not four, not five, not six, not seven...(thanks LeBron) times, but they're spreading the word about it to others AND they are bringing in different audiences to see it.  Kids, wives, girlfriends, parents, etc.  All of that continued to contribute to it's success.

Beyond that, unless the movie has STAR WARS somewhere in the title, it's REALLY hard to capture lightning in the bottle twice.  Even then, it took 22 years for a lackluster title to even come close to what the original Star Wars did.  $400 million movies don't come around more than once a year, if that.  $500 million movies really didn't happen at all until recently.  Avatar was big, much bigger than many expected, then came the Dark Knight, which was much bigger than anyone expected, then the Avengers came along and it was much bigger than anyone expected.  Those movies surpassed any realistic expectation anyone had.  And like I said, because of the success of The Dark Knight, that set a mighty high bar for TDKR and I doubt even Nolan is expecting it to be that big.  Maybe it will... but two movies in one SUMMER both grossing over $600 million?

Besides, I really think the direction they're taking the story, which is a bit of a departure from what many can readily identify with Batman will slow the demand for people to want to come out multiple times to see it.  Maybe that's just me personally, I know it has elements from The Dark Knight Returns, but even that wasn't something readily recongizible by casual observers.  I think it will dampen the blow for movie even further.

That said, I'm extremely confident I'll be collecting some money in a few weeks.

SinisterPryde 7/5/2012 5:15:37 PM

Did anyone else see the run time on TDKR? 165 minutes.  I am not drinking anything in the theater.  I might not drink anything for two hours before hand...

DarthoftheDead 7/6/2012 5:34:21 AM

@EIBaz13 - Watched both Avengers and TDK yesterday and I agree with you a Billion %!

One of the reasons I think Avengers is so awesome is Because TDK.

Nolan set the bar way up high when TDK 1st came out, so then Whendon took the next step and shot that bar into space, cause watching TDK again yesterday, especially following an Avengers viewing, I cringed, its all over the road, and I have to say it again.......TDKR is gonna be a fxcking train wreck.......TDK is a great movie but I really think it was a fluke that it did SOOO well........No way TDKR is gonna come close...........

TDKR wil be lucky if its not a total bomb.......and if I'm wrong.........I'll admit it........unlike  Cretins Especially Obtuse.....who just cant face reality

DarthoftheDead 7/6/2012 5:39:22 AM

I also agree 100% with you Shogunn2517.....the only StarWars I can think of is.....

Spoiler Alert..............................Possible Spoiler Alert.............................Spoiler Alert


The rebuilt Wayne Manor...........or maybe the Bat Tank from The Dark Knight Returns

Cant think of anything else that mite make the Uber Fanboys cream their pants.....

DarthoftheDead 7/6/2012 5:41:10 AM

Another reason I think TDKR is gonna fail is that this plot has already been done...sorta/kinda.....

Batman&Robin did Bane with Poisen Ivy......So now its supposed to work cause its catwoman????

ElBaz13 7/6/2012 8:40:04 AM

And Darth, Marvel and DC have been one upping each other since the 80s. As much as Superman 1 and 2 were fun comicbook movies, they were still overshadowed by bigger blockbusters during the late 70s/80s. No one was talking about Supes then, it was Star Wars, E.T, Indiana Jones.

The DC movies reigned starting with Batman 1989. This movie set the bar and showed us that comicbook movies don't have to be cheesy or campy (a little camp in Batman but not too much). Then Marvel tried to compete and released crap (Cap, Punisher, TV Hulk movies). DC had no competition so what happens? They got lazy. The Bat sequels kept getting worse but who cares right? WB still made money since they were the only kid on the block make comic movies. But once Batman and Robin came out, the fans were disgusted and the box office showed (I don't think it cracked the top 5).

Marvel then had a warm up act with Blade. Sure, Blade is based on a Marvel character but it didn't feel like a superhero movie. But..it was still better than the last Batman flicks. Now Marvel was in business. X-men in 2000 is the movie that really said "hey, we could do any movie based on a comicbook and be successful". Enter Sony and Spiderman and that was it. Marvel set the bar and was clearly ahead of the game. Mega box office success and very good reviews. Then following that were 2 sequels even better than the predecessors (X2 and Spidey 2) and Marvel movies prooved that sequels could be better,

Back to DC. They rebooted Batman and followed Marvel's formula. Cast a solid group of actors but not too big and go with an origin film (like Spidey). WB released a good Batman flick but sadly was overshadowed by a few other movies that summer (Episode 3) and made a dissapointing 200 million domestic (still good, but not Spidey 400 million). So now it was Marvel's turn to get lazy fearing no competition. So they released Spidey 3, X3, FF, Hulk. Sure they made cash but were panned by critics and fans (strong openings, no repeat viewings).

Marvel realized the studios now were just not caring of the product as long as the cash came in so they branched away to form their own studio and Iron Man was produced. It might have been the boost Marvel needed but DC one upped it with TDK. I know I'm not a super fan of this movie (it's ok in my book) but it was critically praised, Oscar performance, epic, etc... Could Marvel match that?

Enter Avengers. Nuff said!

 As a diehard Marvel fan, I hate to say this but I think they just peaked with Avengers and the next line of sequels will make decent coin but I think they will be so-so (based on the history of the business).   I could be wrong (I thought Cameron had peaked with Titanic) so time will tell.

DC/WB, the ball is in your court to one up Marvel now.

DarthoftheDead 7/6/2012 9:43:23 AM

EIBaz13 - I agree with you entirely, Sir!  Except for when DC's reign started, lol. I think that Super Man did that, but I see what your saying....

Please dont get me started about the Marvel sequels, lol.....

If I was running Marvel, after I.M.3/Thor2,3 Cap 2,3(Hopefully none of em will bomb), I would start with brand spanking new solo movies Namor/Strange/Surfer, then tie it together in Avengers 2 with a Defenders & Avengers 

I'm such a tard for the Avengers Movie rite now that I dont want a single blemish on any of them(I.M.,Thor or Cap, Hulk)

Hell, lets give Black widow a Movie instead of an I.M. 4

We dont want a "Kingdom of the Cyrstal Skull" on our hands, rite?

ElBaz13 7/6/2012 10:59:54 AM

The reason why I'm leery of the next wave of Marvel movies is the people directing them. The first movies seemed to fit the directors. Favreau because he probably has a way with actors like RDJ and Paltrow's improv. Branagh because of his Shakespearean background for Thor. Johnston because of this work on period piece films. They just seemed to fit. I just don't have the same confidence with the Russo bros (Cap 2), Alan Taylor (Thor 2) and Shane Black (IM3) and rumours Whedon won't be doing Avengers 2. I could be wrong and maybe this next line of directors could become A-listers quickly or follow the path of Pitof, Gavin Hood, Tim Story, etc...

I love the Defenders. Everyone talks of Avengers being disfunctional. Defenders were just a bunch of odd ultra powerful beings. Not sure if it would happen though as Hulk seems attached to the Avengers and Surfer's rights are with Fox. :(

it would still be cool to see though.


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