Spiderman3 Plot

[The Symbiot]

Well, I guess Topher Grace is Venom. Check this out.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/2007/spiderman3.php[/url]

[shaneomac]

Uh....... not to burst your little "bubble", but that isn't anything official. It's just a hypothesized plot outline on an unofficial website.

[Zac]

While I agree with shaneo, I have to say that the plot sounds pretty interesting.

[shaneomac]

You're right. It is pretty cool.

[The Symbiot]

Uh....... not to burst your little "bubble", but that isn't anything official. It's just a hypothesized plot outline on an unofficial website.

Don't worry, you didn't; however, I should have been a little more clear with my statement. Basically, in my mind, I meant that it's looking more and more like Topher Grace will play Venom. Every few days, any little tidbit about Spidey3 seem to hint one way or another that Venom will be in this film regardless how slight of a role he may play, rather it's official, speculation, fanboy, or someone just putting 2 & 2 together. Alot of these website are fan-based scoops origin; but their writers do try to substantiate the material or scoops they recieve, and publish known facts in some cases, or a well concieved speculation based on some of those facts that is known. Personally, I'm still not, at this point, convince that Topher is Venom; but in each passing day, it's beginning to look like I could be wrong.

[evilsith]

While I also agree that the plot on the site is probably wrong, or at least not 100% right. I will say that this plot would definately warrant my purchase of the ticket, not that I wouldn't buy one no matter what the plot was.
I especially like how it mentions Harry will become the A goblin (whether it be green or Hobby), because I was not satisfied with the Green Goblin in the 1st one, and think it could use a little tweaking to make it something awesome.

[shaneomac]

Don't worry, you didn't; however, I should have been a little more clear with my statement. Basically, in my mind, I meant that it's looking more and more like Topher Grace will play Venom. Every few days, any little tidbit about Spidey3 seem to hint one way or another that Venom will be in this film regardless how slight of a role he may play, rather it's official, speculation, fanboy, or someone just putting 2 & 2 together.
Ok. I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying that Topher is Venom, based on this site. I too believe that it is looking more and more like this will be true, alothough I already think he will be Venom.

[The Symbiot]

Don't worry, you didn't; however, I should have been a little more clear with my statement. Basically, in my mind, I meant that it's looking more and more like Topher Grace will play Venom. Every few days, any little tidbit about Spidey3 seem to hint one way or another that Venom will be in this film regardless how slight of a role he may play, rather it's official, speculation, fanboy, or someone just putting 2 & 2 together.
Ok. I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying that Topher is Venom, based on this site. I too believe that it is looking more and more like this will be true, alothough I already think he will be Venom.

Again.... don't worry about it, that's why I said I should have been a little more clear with my statement in the first place. It's all good Shane.

[shaneomac]

Thanks for understanding, Symbiot. :lol:

[The Symbiot]

WOW! C2F is extremely slow. :(

[Pod]

WOW! C2F is extremely slow. :(

You just realized that now?! :lol: :wink:

[The Symbiot]

WOW! C2F is extremely slow. :(

You just realized that now?! :lol: :wink:

LMAO! :lol:

[shaneomac]

:lol: lol. It is slow.

[Zac]

Well, the news feed only goes as fast as those who submit news stories to it. Since you all obviously enjoy coming here, why not stop complaining and actually do something to speed it up?

[shaneomac]

First of all, I'm not really complaining, just saying it could be a tad bit faster. And I'm not really the kind of person that finds stories and feeds. I just post my opinions after someone else does that. I know that doesn't help speed it up, but that's really all that i can do.

[Zac]

Then don't comment about how slow it is. C2F doesn't cost you or anyone anything to look at it, and thus there is no money to pay reporters to find the news when it first breaks. Some people submit what they find when they find it. If "C2F is slow" it's because people find this info and don't help out the website any, which is ok, I don't contribute to the news feed either. But if you're one of these people who doesn't submit news feeds, then you have no right to say "it could be a tad bit faster".

[Sonic1002]

GETTING BACK ON TOPIC!

I could live with that storyline.

[Pod]

I could live with that storyline.

Not me...

[The Symbiot]

Then don't comment about how slow it is. C2F doesn't cost you or anyone anything to look at it, and thus there is no money to pay reporters to find the news when it first breaks. Some people submit what they find when they find it. If "C2F is slow" it's because people find this info and don't help out the website any, which is ok, I don't contribute to the news feed either. But if you're one of these people who doesn't submit news feeds, then you have no right to say "it could be a tad bit faster".

LOL man... 13 days... come on... that's ridiculous. C2F has got to do better than that. They didn't even see this synopsis on their own Message Board.

This is growing pains, I know. I would love to see C2F grow more and get more posters on this site, and then maybe C2F will get more posters relaying scoops to their news feed. Take it as a lesson C2F and the posters here.

[shaneomac]

*sigh* Bearpod, Bearpod, Bearpod. Why do you hate Venom so much? I mean, he's not my favorite villain, but what is so bad about him? Would you still hate him if they did him great on film and everyone loved it? I'm not here to attack you're opinion, but you haven't given any reasons why you don't like him.

Or are you one of those people who doesn't hate Venom, but doesn't think he can be done well on screen?

[The Symbiot]

a little off topic, but when can i get an avatar?

[Pod]

*sigh* Bearpod, Bearpod, Bearpod. Why do you hate Venom so much? I mean, he's not my favorite villain, but what is so bad about him? Would you still hate him if they did him great on film and everyone loved it? I'm not here to attack you're opinion, but you haven't given any reasons why you don't like him.

Or are you one of those people who doesn't hate Venom, but doesn't think he can be done well on screen?

Venom is actually my #1 favorite villian in all of the comic villians I've ever read. Now, you nailed it pretty much on that last sentence. I think Topher is just the worst chioce for eddie brock and with Sandman, Venom doesn't really fit in but I just want to see a true Venom and Topher Grace ain't ganna cut it. I've seen Eddie Brock from the first issues he was in Amazing Spidey and there is no connection to the actor.

[Zac]

LOL man... 13 days... come on... that's ridiculous. C2F has got to do better than that. They didn't even see this synopsis on their own Message Board.

This is growing pains, I know. I would love to see C2F grow more and get more posters on this site, and then maybe C2F will get more posters relaying scoops to their news feed. Take it as a lesson C2F and the posters here.

...what? I don't even get what you're saying. Do you get what I'm even saying? If C2F relayed news 13 days later than when it first broke, then it's your fault because you obviously saw the article somewhere else and didn't submit it. There is no news staff, the people who submit articles are people just like you. Quit being a douche and either do something to make the news flow faster or just don't say anything. It's ridiculous of you to whine about C2F being so slow but yet you come here to do the complaining. If you don't like it, then like I said, do something about it or just don't say anything.

[Pod]

a little off topic, but when can i get an avatar?

Click "Profile" on the top of the page and then go down and it shows you where to upload an avatar for yourself.

If you need any help on making an avatar, just PM me or something.

[The Symbiot]

a little off topic, but when can i get an avatar?

Click "Profile" on the top of the page and then go down and it shows you where to upload an avatar for yourself.

If you need any help on making an avatar, just PM me or something.

I did that and it gave me: Unable to upload file, Debug Mode, Line 249, File:usercp_avatar.php.

... and yes I reduce it down to the required 80-80/6kb.

[The Symbiot]

LOL man... 13 days... come on... that's ridiculous. C2F has got to do better than that. They didn't even see this synopsis on their own Message Board.

This is growing pains, I know. I would love to see C2F grow more and get more posters on this site, and then maybe C2F will get more posters relaying scoops to their news feed. Take it as a lesson C2F and the posters here.

...what? I don't even get what you're saying. Do you get what I'm even saying? If C2F relayed news 13 days later than when it first broke, then it's your fault because you obviously saw the article somewhere else and didn't submit it. There is no news staff, the people who submit articles are people just like you. Quit being a douche and either do something to make the news flow faster or just don't say anything. It's ridiculous of you to whine about C2F being so slow but yet you come here to do the complaining. If you don't like it, then like I said, do something about it or just don't say anything.



Than, no wonder you guys are slow... I thought it was growing pains. :lol:

Look, we are making an observation.... you are the one whining. :(

You don't get it... you are the moderator of this board, and you didn't see it... come on.... I know you all don't have a staff, and I thought I hinted that we the posters can help by sending scoops to the news feed... but good golly molly, 13 days and you didn't see it, and if you did ZAC, you didn't send it to the news feeeeeeeeed.... :shock: :wink:

It's no one fault, if there's any blame, it's YOU, do you not moderate this board. :roll: geeeezz


Sorry... you're not a Mod... an Administrator.... that's just as bad, because you do frequent this board.

[DarrenJSeeley]

As for the plot- aside from a few tweaks here and there, I highly suspect this is the bare bones of it. Will it be *exactly* like that? I don't think so.
But I do suspect it is real close.

As my *only* concern: Venom. Not that the character is in the pic (or at least Brock) but simply that with a tug of war of screen time between Marko, Venom and Goblin II (there is no reason why JJJ would not still call him the Green Goblin- after all, for the most part, Goblin I for the masses has simply 'vanished'. It could be assumed by the masses that Spidey defeated Gobby and only stopped him) so someone is going to get the short time of the stick.

There is something I thought about: in the comics, Sandman turns his back on his criminal past; Venom becomes a 'Lethal Protector' and what if Harry dressed up as a new Goblin to first 'help' Parker, and not go after him?

Could a villian be convinced to switch and team up with Spidey at the last minute?

I say yes. What if Venom did it? And then, due to Venom's lust for blood and destruction, added to Venom's mentality that "the city isn't big enough for both of us" he turns on Spidey, saving him for last?

Food for thought.

What if Mary Jane doesn't die but Gwen--at the hands of Harry?
But wha I really am looking foward to now is a "three for all".

In any case, from the sounds of the plot (should this be it) it appears something was tainted eco-wise to create Sandman and/or this new Venom like suit/creature. Does Capt. Stacey have something to do with it? It's all interesting.

[Pod]

LOL man... 13 days... come on... that's ridiculous. C2F has got to do better than that. They didn't even see this synopsis on their own Message Board.

This is growing pains, I know. I would love to see C2F grow more and get more posters on this site, and then maybe C2F will get more posters relaying scoops to their news feed. Take it as a lesson C2F and the posters here.

...what? I don't even get what you're saying. Do you get what I'm even saying? If C2F relayed news 13 days later than when it first broke, then it's your fault because you obviously saw the article somewhere else and didn't submit it. There is no news staff, the people who submit articles are people just like you. Quit being a douche and either do something to make the news flow faster or just don't say anything. It's ridiculous of you to whine about C2F being so slow but yet you come here to do the complaining. If you don't like it, then like I said, do something about it or just don't say anything.



Than, no wonder you guys are slow... I thought it was growing pains. :lol:

Look, we are making an observation.... you are the one whining. :(

You don't get it... you are the moderator of this board, and you didn't see it... come on.... I know you all don't have a staff, and I thought I hinted that we the posters can help by sending scoops to the news feed... but good golly molly, 13 days and you didn't see it, and if you did ZAC, you didn't send it to the news feeeeeeeeed.... :shock: :wink:

It's no one fault, if there's any blame, it's YOU, do you not moderate this board. :roll: geeeezz


Sorry... you're not a Mod... an Administrator.... that's just as bad, because you do frequent this board.

Somehow...This is like saying "Please ban me" in a way...

And as for the avatar thing, I really never knew that would happen. What was the type of file? JPEG? GIF?

[B]

Than, no wonder you guys are slow... I thought it was growing pains. :lol:

Look, we are making an observation.... you are the one whining. :(

You don't get it... you are the moderator of this board, and you didn't see it... come on.... I know you all don't have a staff, and I thought I hinted that we the posters can help by sending scoops to the news feed... but good golly molly, 13 days and you didn't see it, and if you did ZAC, you didn't send it to the news feeeeeeeeed.... :shock: :wink:

It's no one fault, if there's any blame, it's YOU, do you not moderate this board. :roll: geeeezz


Sorry... you're not a Mod... an Administrator.... that's just as bad, because you do frequent this board.

Somehow...This is like saying "Please ban me" in a way...

Oh, I wasn't the only one who noticed, then? Symbiot, please calm down. Zac's being overly defensive, but he's still right. As a news site, C2F is at the mercy of its readers, since the only way a piece of news will get posted is if someone submits it. Everything that does get submitted gets posted by the end of the day. And yeah, we don't have a news staff. Also, while I can't speak for any of the other site mods/admins, I know that I for one don't have anywhere near enough time to keep track of every single forum and of all the news/rumours in them. And hell, even with those forums I do keep track of regularly in my capacity as a moderator, I often tend to just scan over them to make sure everyone's staying polite rather than scrupulously copying every bit of news on the off-chance no one sent it to the fanfeed. Cause honestly, I really don't have the time.

So yeah, Zac's right, even if he (IMO understandably) overreacted a bit to the initial comment. And now you, for no discernable reason, are needling him, insulting him and accusing him of not doing his job properly. Not good.

[The Symbiot]

Jpeg bearpod



B... lol, I've been calm the whole time. 2nd, I didn't start pointing fingers, saying it's yall(the posters) fault..... what is that? He over-reacted a little... lol NO... he over-reacted alot, towards whom ever it was he chastise, than pointed fingers at everyone in this particular board. That is not very professional. He could have took his medicine and just said, we were slow in posting this news; however, please understand we don't have staff to find general information such as that. We depend on the fan base and you the members and posters of this site to inform us of new developments and scoops, by way of our news feed. Simply as that.... not all this don't comment on us being slow cause it's your fault. Come on man, get real.

Again, I've hinted in my statement that we need to help, but you seem to conveniently miss that. Again, take it as a lesson, and move on.... everyone.

[The Symbiot]

There is something I thought about: in the comics, Sandman turns his back on his criminal past; Venom becomes a 'Lethal Protector' and what if Harry dressed up as a new Goblin to first 'help' Parker, and not go after him?

Could a villian be convinced to switch and team up with Spidey at the last minute?

I say yes. What if Venom did it? And then, due to Venom's lust for blood and destruction, added to Venom's mentality that "the city isn't big enough for both of us" he turns on Spidey, saving him for last?


NO.... Sam raimi said this film would depart from the comics, and it already has in some since in the first two. Harry could possibly team up with Spidey, but I doubt it.

MJ will not die, I'm pretty certain of that.

[Zac]

Oh, I wasn't the only one who noticed, then? Symbiot, please calm down. Zac's being overly defensive, but he's still right. As a news site, C2F is at the mercy of its readers, since the only way a piece of news will get posted is if someone submits it. Everything that does get submitted gets posted by the end of the day. And yeah, we don't have a news staff. Also, while I can't speak for any of the other site mods/admins, I know that I for one don't have anywhere near enough time to keep track of every single forum and of all the news/rumours in them. And hell, even with those forums I do keep track of regularly in my capacity as a moderator, I often tend to just scan over them to make sure everyone's staying polite rather than scrupulously copying every bit of news on the off-chance no one sent it to the fanfeed. Cause honestly, I really don't have the time.

So yeah, Zac's right, even if he (IMO understandably) overreacted a bit to the initial comment. And now you, for no discernable reason, are needling him, insulting him and accusing him of not doing his job properly. Not good.

If I'm being overly defensive or overreacting, it's because I've been with this website longer than most the people around now, and in that time I've also been a member of the 'staff' for a long time-- and I've seen C2F in it's lows and highs. C2F used to have articles written for the site, first by Robbo, then by him, myself, Thom and Essex, then by a group of people (all of us unpaid), then it was carried through ComicBookResources.com and eventually boiled down to the FanFeed it is now. For a short time, C2F looked like it was going to have to shut down because of money reasons and lack of time to maintain it on Robbo's behalf. However, the fans kept it alive and eventually everything turned out alright. I love this website, I've made lots of friends here, it's helped me grow as a person and as an artist and when people talk about it being SLOW it's like a smack in the face to everyone who has worked to keep this website flourishing. We all do the best we can. Robbo and running the site, myself looking over various things throughout the site, B maintaining the DCG, all the moderators keeping up the message boards... none of us make any money doing this... we do it because we care about the website. With the exception of Robbo, we all were just regular members at first. Members are what make this website flourish, so when a member or members talk about how the website is slow because the Fanfeed isn't fast enough, it's just like you're taking advantage of the website and don't appreciate it, which is certainly not doing it the justice it deserves.

[B]

Oh, I know, Zac. We've talked about this stuff before, after all. Like I said in the earlier post, I understand why you reacted as you did. I definitely can't blame you for being defensive about C2F, I am too sometimes. Still, I don't think the initial comment was meant as an attack on us; it was just a comment. That said, Symbiot, Zac's initial reply to you was IMO polite, if defensive, and it was certainly not an attack on you, the posters. Please look back at the tone of your replies to Zac's posts and maybe you'll understand why he (and I) got a tad pissed off... cause IMO you're coming off as smug, patronising and insulting. Maybe it's not intentional, but that's the vibe those two replies to Zac give off.

Anyway, can I suggest we end this pointless little debate and get back to the topic at hand? Thanks.

[The Symbiot]

Oh, I know, Zac. We've talked about this stuff before, after all. Like I said in the earlier post, I understand why you reacted as you did. I definitely can't blame you for being defensive about C2F, I am too sometimes. Still, I don't think the initial comment was meant as an attack on us; it was just a comment. That said, Symbiot, Zac's initial reply to you was IMO polite, if defensive, and it was certainly not an attack on you, the posters. Please look back at the tone of your replies to Zac's posts and maybe you'll understand why he (and I) got a tad pissed off... cause IMO you're coming off as smug, patronising and insulting. Maybe it's not intentional, but that's the vibe those two replies to Zac give off.

Anyway, can I suggest we end this pointless little debate and get back to the topic at hand? Thanks.


Look... I can appreciate the hard work you all put in, in keeping this site alive.... I understand that. However, that does not give him any right to chastise people and point fingers... you all have got to know that, but you seem to say he has the right to do that because he work hard to keep a site open for us fans of this site. NO. The fact of the matter... it was slow, after 2 whole weeks, excuses or no excuses.

Now, that's neither here nor there, so learn from it(professionally) and move on. Let's indeed get back to the topic at hand... because I had a thought about something, I need to look through the archives first.

[shaneomac]

Ok. Yea. It's really confusing with people posting a bunch of stuff about the forum being slow and whose fault it. Because then, in the middle of all that, we have people saying "oh, well that plot would be good". As Symbiot said, we just need to move on. Everyone needs to work harder if we want this site to become faster. And that's that. :lol:

[shaneomac]

And, as for what Bearpod posted about Venom, Topher Grace can be a good Eddie Brock. You should not assume that when we have seen nothing of him. Well, if you're talking about appearance, I don't know what to tell you. He already dyed his hair blonde.........

[shaneomac]

We should all really just wait until August........ :D

[Pod]

And, as for what Bearpod posted about Venom, Topher Grace can be a good Eddie Brock. You should not assume that when we have seen nothing of him. Well, if you're talking about appearance, I don't know what to tell you. He already dyed his hair blonde.........

.....Hair does not fill up the other things missing. He can go friggin blue-haired for all I care. He doesn't have the look for Venom. And I was wondering a few days ago on how Ultimate Eddie looks like so I bought the trade. I found that he looks like a blonde goth version of peter. Not good! And if the movie wants to do that then they're going to kill the franchise. The real Eddie looks like some wrestler with blonde hair. Not a skinny guy with piercings and blonde hair. So Topher Grace can't be the real Eddie Brock. Just the bad version.

[shaneomac]

Tobie Maguire looks nothing like the real Peter Parker............ James Franco looks nothing like Harry Osbourne........... Willem Dafoe looks nothing like Norman Osbourne............ Alfred Molina only resembles Doc Ock slightly............ So I don't see the problem. Topher will work out to become bigger, but he doesn't have to be this huge, buff guy on steroids to play Eddie Brock well. It's not all about the look. If we see Venom in Spiderman 3 and Topher Grace's acting sucks, than you can complain freely.

[Pod]

Tobie Maguire looks nothing like the real Peter Parker............ James Franco looks nothing like Harry Osbourne........... Willem Dafoe looks nothing like Norman Osbourne............ Alfred Molina only resembles Doc Ock slightly............ So I don't see the problem. Topher will work out to become bigger, but he doesn't have to be this huge, buff guy on steroids to play Eddie Brock well. It's not all about the look. If we see Venom in Spiderman 3 and Topher Grace's acting sucks, than you can complain freely.

They have the acting skills to pull off the character and the only one that's really off is Franco but I like the way he acts as Harry. But I just can't picture Topher ever buffing up to be as big as 616 Eddie was drawn. And yeah, he has to be a big buff guy to play Eddie. And I'm only complaining to the thought that you guys are actually considering Topher as Eddie.

[The Symbiot]

Well Bearpod... I wouldn't say the Ultimate Eddie film version would ruin the franchise.... this film is guarantee to make more than the cost to make... but I do agree with you on the look of Eddie. However, If Sony everrrrrr comfirm Topher as Eddie, I do think Topher could pull it off. He is a pretty damn good actor, maybe not Dafoe/Molina level, but good.



But Shane, you have got to understand what Bearpod and myself are saying here about villain compatability. Williem, James, and Tobey look nothing like their counterparts facially... but have similar build, age, height, weight, and most important mannerism. This IMO where Sam did a great job with all these features, with JJJ, Aunt May, Betty Brant, DocOck, and now Sandman. This is where he failed horribly, with MJ, and we fear the same with Topher as EB/V. He fits none of the qualities I expressed up there... NONE!

As for the size... the big, tall, masive , muscular EB. Let me explain something here, now follow me on this.

When Spiderman FIRST, got the symbiot, It was explained that the symbiot, take what ever special feature it's host have, and emphasize and magnifys those special features. In Spidey's case, it was all of his spidey powers(agility, strength, speed, sences, etc). When the symbiot got on EB, not only did it emphasize and magnify his anger, hate, and brute rage, towards both PP/Spidey, but it also empasize and magnified his size and mass. Remember, this is key. The symbiot DID NOT get big when PP/Spidey was it's host... it only got BIG when it got on Eddie, also he became a murduring brute, because of Eddie's hatred toward life(EB was about to commit sucide), so the symbiot became a killer, with no appreciation of life. Peter's only struggle was it trying to control him and his mind, but his heart was greater. Eddie hatred just fueled Venom.

Topher does not fit the qualities that we endure with EB/V, especially the mannerism or the look. That's why we have a serious problem with Topher being EB/V.... hey, just look at Kirsten.... Nuff Said. :wink:




Question: let's see who will be the first to get it right.... to all comers who read this post.

How many times did I show my name? :)

[norrinraad]

They have the acting skills to pull off the character and the only one that's really off is Franco but I like the way he acts as Harry. But I just can't picture Topher ever buffing up to be as big as 616 Eddie was drawn. And yeah, he has to be a big buff guy to play Eddie. And I'm only complaining to the thought that you guys are actually considering Topher as Eddie.

I agree totally bearpod. I actually like Grace as an actor; In Good Company proved that he is more than just "that other guy" from the TV show. However, he resembles neither 616 nor Ultimate Eddie Brock. 616 Brock is an Olympic-level body builder and total psychopath, and Ultimate Eddie is an angry slimeball punk who would make a profit off his mother if he could. Grace may suprise us all but I can't see him convincingly pulling off either part, especially the former. And, he just doesn't have the edgy persona necessary for the latter.

I also liked Venom as a character, at least until what was done to him recently. As the dark, twisted mirror to Peter Parker's soul, he was well on his way to becoming one of my favourites when first introduced. I still say if he absolutely must be in the franchise (I personally would prefer he wasn't), set him up with the black suit this time around. Then make a fourth movie with proper casting that will give us the classic Venom/Spidey confrontation the fans deserve.
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[shaneomac]

Ok, guys. You know what? I just tried to picture Topher Grace as Eddie Brock in my head, and I think The Symbiot may be right after all. Venom will still be in Spiderman 3, or at least this franchise, but he may not be played by Grace. They may cast an unknown actor after all. However, there is still a chance.

[Pod]

Ok, guys. You know what? I just tried to picture Topher Grace as Eddie Brock in my head, and I think The Symbiot may be right after all. Venom will still be in Spiderman 3, or at least this franchise, but he may not be played by Grace. They may cast an unknown actor after all. However, there is still a chance.

I see it like this. Spidey 3 won't have Eddie or Venom. And as for the second villian? It's probably Ben Reilly (Unfortunately...Come on face it. Topher just doesn't fit in on any villian) and this might just end up with spidey changing his costume to show that he isn't Ben because I think Ben will probably have the same costume as spidey. This is all an idea that I have that might work for Topher as a villian.

And as for Venom in the series? The boxoffice and amount of popularity shows that a second trilgoy is a must for more money. But even if Venom will be the villian of the next trilogy, the actors will all be new. (Wow...I say that a lot...)

[tecspyder]

I have to say I strongly disagree, Bearpod. Ben Reilly is NOT mentioned as one of the potential villains on the Spider-Man web site. ALSO the point of making a clone is that the CLONE is identical to the original specimen. Although Topher and Tobey look similar, they are not identical. Actually it’s extremely easy and extremely cheap to make a "twin" in movies with simple camera and editing tricks. That is MUCH easier and much cheaper, in fact, than paying an actor who KINDA looks like the movie's star.

I also disagree with 'Pods thought that Topher "doesn’t fit in on any villain." Topher could be easily be Hydro-Man, Electro, Chameleon, or even Mysterio; all of which have sported blonde hair at one time in the comics (except chameleon of course) and all of which were mentioned on the Spider-Man 3 web site. Heck now that I think about it, he could be almost ANY villain! Who says the villain HAS to have blonde hair? Constantine had blonde hair in the comics but brown hair in the movie.

All I’m saying is that we should try to base the identity of the second villain around who is on the official web site and we shouldn’t jump to the conclusion that Topher is Eddie just yet.

[Pod]

I have to say I strongly disagree, Bearpod. Ben Reilly is NOT mentioned as one of the potential villains on the Spider-Man web site. ALSO the point of making a clone is that the CLONE is identical to the original specimen. Although Topher and Tobey look similar, they are not identical. Actually it’s extremely easy and extremely cheap to make a "twin" in movies with simple camera and editing tricks. That is MUCH easier and much cheaper, in fact, than paying an actor who KINDA looks like the movie's star.

I also disagree with 'Pods thought that Topher "doesn’t fit in on any villain." Topher could be easily be Hydro-Man, Electro, Chameleon, or even Mysterio; all of which have sported blonde hair at one time in the comics (except chameleon of course) and all of which were mentioned on the Spider-Man 3 web site. Heck now that I think about it, he could be almost ANY villain! Who says the villain HAS to have blonde hair? Constantine had blonde hair in the comics but brown hair in the movie.

All I’m saying is that we should try to base the identity of the second villain around who is on the official web site and we shouldn’t jump to the conclusion that Topher is Eddie just yet.

For some reason I don't see why I should follow the list on the official site. It's not like a process of elimination ya kno. Of course some people will do that but now let's go into what you've said...

Clones don't have to be perfect. And story changes work. But I don't know if the idea will work because I just don't like the fact that Topher will play a villian.

Hydro-man...Chameleon...Meh, those villians can't truly happen. First off the black colored costume is in play to make it a confusing connection. Next those characters don't seem to truly be on Topher's "can do" list (really, his list is like a complete blank...he shouldn't really be any villian of spidey's but what's done is done).

And the actor friggin bleached his hair for the friggin movie so the villian is obviously goin to have blonde hair. And I just hate arguing with so little facts on the table and sooo many rumors on the table too.

[The Symbiot]

[quote="shaneomac"] And as for Venom in the series? The boxoffice and amount of popularity shows that a second trilgoy is a must for more money. But even if Venom will be the villian of the next trilogy, the actors will all be new. (Wow...I say that a lot...)


Well well well, at least someone has a clue to what I've being saying... whether he knows it or not. You hit the hammer on the nail Bearpod.

Originally, sony set out to do three films. They agreed to sign the principle players to a three movie deal. After the huge amount of money both domestic and international, the first film make. Amy Pascal started considering backing off her statements about three and done. Than after the huge success of SM2 both again domestic and international, she basically abandon the idea of three and said you know what, we are doing 6 films. It was Sam Raimi that first mention trilogies in 2004, when he was ask about SM2 ending with Harry and the hint of him becoming a Goblin. He said, I'm paraphrazing, because it was long ago, "I don't know what direction we are going to go at this point, but we will bring an end to the tension between Peter and Harry... and if Amy want to do 6 film, and they will have me back, if I want to come back, than we may start another trilogy".

With that said, if we are talking about truely 6 films; I find it difficult to believe that Sam, Avi, and Sony would start another trilogy when there is a huge possibility that the major players may not be back for SM4, yet alone SM5&6. The intelligent thing to do is to close the Goblin trilogy, which is what I think this movie will do, and start another trilogy with a new cast(unless Tobey decide to finish the complete 6 film set)... and the only villains capable of carrying a trilogy, is Venom or the Sinister Six. Quite frankly, I see both being set up in this film, for them to go either direction, if not both.

[The Symbiot]

I have to say I strongly disagree, Bearpod. Ben Reilly is NOT mentioned as one of the potential villains on the Spider-Man web site. ALSO the point of making a clone is that the CLONE is identical to the original specimen. Although Topher and Tobey look similar, they are not identical. Actually it’s extremely easy and extremely cheap to make a "twin" in movies with simple camera and editing tricks. That is MUCH easier and much cheaper, in fact, than paying an actor who KINDA looks like the movie's star.

I also disagree with 'Pods thought that Topher "doesn’t fit in on any villain." Topher could be easily be Hydro-Man, Electro, Chameleon, or even Mysterio; all of which have sported blonde hair at one time in the comics (except chameleon of course) and all of which were mentioned on the Spider-Man 3 web site. Heck now that I think about it, he could be almost ANY villain! Who says the villain HAS to have blonde hair? Constantine had blonde hair in the comics but brown hair in the movie.

All I’m saying is that we should try to base the identity of the second villain around who is on the official web site and we shouldn’t jump to the conclusion that Topher is Eddie just yet.


QUESTION: NOT WHO YOU WANT, but what villain do you all honestly think Topher is playing... whether it's on Sony's list or not?

[Pod]

I don't think Tobey is going to agree with another 3 movies. He and other main actors in the film have said that they want to end it at 3. And Sam might return but it's hard to tell. But what can happen is that after #3 the producers will do all they can to find the next best stars for the roles and have either Sam or another director on the new trilogy. Oddly enough I don't think many fans will care because they just want to see Venom on screen (Well...me too).

[The Symbiot]

I don't think Tobey is going to agree with another 3 movies. He and other main actors in the film have said that they want to end it at 3. And Sam might return but it's hard to tell. But what can happen is that after #3 the producers will do all they can to find the next best stars for the roles and have either Sam or another director on the new trilogy. Oddly enough I don't think many fans will care because they just want to see Venom on screen (Well...me too).

Oh I agree, totally. I don't think Tobey will come back for three more films either... I didn't mean to imply that he would. That's why this may be the last go round for the major players, I just don't see bringing in Venom in the mist of cast changes. They would want to lock actors in place before doing that... but there in nothing wrong with introducing Eddie, and start preparing for the next trilogy.

Like I was trying to express to Shane, I just don't think Topher is Eddie. Eddie will get very little screen time, much like Dylan Baker character Dr. Connors/Lizard got...cameos. I don't think Sam & Co. would do all of this hyping Topher up, just for a few cameos.

[tecspyder]

Bearpod, I think you misinterpreted what I meant when I wrote about Topher's hair, and now that I've re-read the last part of my post I understand why. I meant that just because Topher dyed his hair blonde doesn’t mean that his comic book counterpart had to have had the same color hair, which means Topher is not just limited to characters that had blonde hair in the comics.

'Pod, why do you say that we shouldn’t pay attention to what the official site says? Doing that kind of makes all this speculation, this board, and this web site pointless right??

And to answer The Symbiot's question on who I think is going to be in the third movie: I have no idea. I've always said that any villain OTHER than Venom and maybe the Jackal would be great. And I guess I can also add that my dream villains have already been confirmed or were in a previous movie: Sandman and Doc Ock.

By the way, that black suit could mean anything. Spidey has altered his suit many times in the past to defeat his foes. Raimi did say that this movie was going to deviate from the comics remember?

I just don't think we should set ourselves up for disappointment if all these Venom rumors fall through the floor. I think most people who have been Anti-Venom have almost accepted that Venom is going to be in the movie like it was a known fact or something. If the villain turns out to be Electro or someone like that, I think a lot of us will suddenly feel cheated or disappointed because we were SO SURE that Venom was going to be in the movie. I think we should keep our minds open to all the characters instead of painting our selves into a box.

I apologize for the long post.

[Pod]

Bearpod, I think you misinterpreted what I meant when I wrote about Topher's hair, and now that I've re-read the last part of my post I understand why. I meant that just because Topher dyed his hair blonde doesn’t mean that his comic book counterpart had to have had the same color hair, which means Topher is not just limited to characters that had blonde hair in the comics.

Then...the question is why did he bleach his hair. Which no one here can answer, but can guess...

'Pod, why do you say that we shouldn’t pay attention to what the official site says? Doing that kind of makes all this speculation, this board, and this web site pointless right??

Now you're thinking. :lol: 8) Look at it this way. We debate and argue to use our time to express our thoughts but at the end of it there is an answer. It might be what you thought and it might not. For now, we just look around for some clues and get ideas popping.

And to answer The Symbiot's question on who I think is going to be in the third movie: I have no idea. I've always said that any villain OTHER than Venom and maybe the Jackal would be great. And I guess I can also add that my dream villains have already been confirmed or were in a previous movie: Sandman and Doc Ock.

Well you do have some idea on the second villian. It's the part of being optimistic about it. You might think it's one villian but then you have a thought of why it isn't that villian.

By the way, that black suit could mean anything. Spidey has altered his suit many times in the past to defeat his foes. Raimi did say that this movie was going to deviate from the comics remember?

Yup, that's true. And I still have never thought of seeing a symbiot suit with spider-lines and having the exact same look of the original costume. And I just keep thinking of how Sam is going to explain it but that's going to have to wait until he spills the beans or when we watch the movie.

[DarrenJSeeley]

Topher bleached his hair because his character has to go to the beach...
:evil:

I'm falling into a different camp now, people.
Give us Sandman.
Give us Green Goblin II

and give us Venom.
Get them all done and out of the way.

[Pod]

Topher bleached his hair because his character has to go to the beach...
:evil:

I'm falling into a different camp now, people.
Give us Sandman.
Give us Green Goblin II

and give us Venom.
Get them all done and out of the way.

Then spiderman 3 is doomed. :shock:

[tecspyder]

'Pod, (I'm not picking on you I swear!) when you said "For now, we just look around for some clues and get ideas popping.", that contradicted with what you said before when you claimed that using the official site was pointless. The OFFICIAL site is technically all we have you know? That's where all the REAL clues are. We already know we can't trust what Dunst and Co. say on talk shows because she has already been wrong when it came to predicting the Lizard, Doc Ock, and Black Cat. So how can possibly we "look for clues" without utilizing the official site?

I just thought I would add that if the villain is not Venom, I think Hydro-Man is a strong contender. As I have said before, he’s a classic villain (the way Raimi likes ‘em), his powers would be a great balance with Sandman, and he’s sported blonde hair in the comics.

Although I DO like Hydro-Man, I would much rather see the Rhino in Spider-Man 3 (wait, wait! Don’t laugh, hear me out!). I think something like Ultimate Rhino would be an EXCELLENT addition to the Spidey franchise because he is so unlike the Ock and the Goblin (not to mention he looked really cool). He’s not a scientist and he defiantly doesn’t want to “better mankind.” Also, it would be great to see a Hulk-like creature finally done right!

By the way, if you are interested in seeing a “Hulk-like creature done right,” I strongly recommend watching King Kong (great movie).

[Pod]

Hmmm...Hydro-man....Can't really see him as a big time villian for a movie...And even if I agree with you or anyone that doesn't magically turn in the truth. If everyone said that they all think it's this villian it still wouldn't make it true. Many people said Venom just like the studio predicted and it's just making sense to you guys because you're hooked on this black costume that has no sign of being the symbiot. But to back track on hydro-man. I say that this guy looks like he would be a good teammate to sandman but there's really no connection made with this new suit.

And hey, just keep your ideas because even when we do find out it's someone else that doesn't change anything now does it?

[DarrenJSeeley]

Then spiderman 3 is doomed. :shock:

What I mean is, I'm not too crazy of having Venom in Spidey 4 if he shows up in 3. There are plenty of villians to go around. Kraven? Smythe and his Spider-Slayers? Black Cat...?Mysterio...? The one and only Lizard!

I'm all for the possibilities of Spidey 3; but not having Venom being left over for 4, unless Raimi is shooting back to back, and that isn't the case.

[Pod]

I just got a way to think of this as a metaphor. Ok, so remember those Batman movies before Batman Begins that really sucked? Well...not really but overall sucked? Yeah well think of it but in the opposite order. Spidey 1-3 good and Spidey 4-6 crap. 8) :lol:

[DarrenJSeeley]

Spidey 4-6 can't be crap, they just aren't made yet. Who knows? They might actually turn out to be good...when and if they happen.

One thing is clear: if Sam leaves, who will fill his shoes? I truly think the second film is tough to top; but I also think that 3 will still be entertaining. I also want to downplay my excitement because, let's face it, I want to be surprised and the third film to exceed all and any expectations.

However, with the appearance of Venom in 3, I don't want him carried over in 4. I'd much rather see The Lizard or Kraven. I'd accept Venom in 4...if he doesn't show up in 3.

However...there is something about the plotline that troubles me:

Why would Jameson send a rival photographer to spy on Peter Parker? He's got a tabloid paper to run. Why not just hire a shady private detective to do that?

Compare the propsed plot involving Brock to a character named Max Gargan/The Scorpion as given on the Sony Spider-Man rouges gallery page.

[Pod]

Spidey 4-6 can't be crap, they just aren't made yet. Who knows? They might actually turn out to be good...when and if they happen.

When the main actors and director are gone then the sequels will only be needed to introduce more villians and give us a big action show. Tobey and those other guys arn't going to be around in spidey 4-6 so I really don't see why there should even be a 4-6. Yeah, go say "Well MAYBE they will be there!" Dude, that's just being optimistic. Venom will probably be unleashed in spidey 4-6 and I'll tell ya, it's going to be killer. But the actors? Nope...

[The Symbiot]

When the main actors and director are gone then the sequels will only be needed to introduce more villians and give us a big action show. Tobey and those other guys arn't going to be around in spidey 4-6 so I really don't see why there should even be a 4-6. Yeah, go say "Well MAYBE they will be there!" Dude, that's just being optimistic. Venom will probably be unleashed in spidey 4-6 and I'll tell ya, it's going to be killer. But the actors? Nope...


I'm afraid :) ...... againnn...... I have to agree with Bearpod with one slight difference...... I see no need to shoot Spidey 5-6.

Indeed, once the main actors/director is gone.... well let's just say continuity will suffer. However, I do think Sam & Co. may have reach some kind of agreement and has altered the actors contracts, and are shooting Spidey 3-4 back-to-back. No-one has denied this, not even Avi.... he didn't say it was hogwash, the writer who interviewed him said and assumed it was given Avi's comments about the only reasons he can see that, is it being done to save money on production or to keep actors around and get two-for-one.

Otherwise, this could very well be the last who-wah for the main actors.
A recast will hurt the franchise some what.... come on, let's not be naive. More importantly, it, IMO, all depends on the writing and director's direction, in the success, mediocre, or failure of the franchise.

[Marvel Master 1]

Listen you guys money talks in this business, you pay Tobey enough money then you got yourself a Spider man 4, 5, 6 for example who would have thought that Indiana Jones would be coming back almost twenty years later, or that Rocky or Rambo would be coming back trust me Tobey will be back and raimi will probaby step off as director but he will produce it, Avi Arad is not going to watch a billion dollar investment diappear off the map, in my opinion every is repacleable except for Tobey

[Essex]

Listen you guys money talks in this business, you pay Tobey enough money then you got yourself a Spider man 4, 5, 6


I'm guessing Tobey isn't hurting for cash. If he feels he may get typecast if he stays on for more films, no amount of money would make him stay. Spider-Man 4...maybe. 5 and 6? Not gonna happen. He's an actor that is probably hoping for a long career in the business. Playing one character for 15 years isn't the key to longevity.

[DarrenJSeeley]

for example who would have thought that Indiana Jones would be coming back almost twenty years later, or that Rocky or Rambo would be coming back

You are not going to like what I have to say.

While still a good actor, Harrison Ford has been in a solid string of turkeys of late, and Stallone is falling back to Rocky and Rambo because he, too, has had his box office crown fall off. Stallone in DTV movies?! The reality show Contender? The main reason why these actors are turning back to characters who they haven't played since the late 80's is simply because there are few other safe bets.

Tobey is not in that position; once he is done with his contract, if he wants to make other films, so be it. He (and Liz Banks for that matter) were terrific in 'Seabiscuit'.

I also think James Franco will bow out after this film; unless, of course, he's stuck in another Great Raid, Tristan or Annapolis sometime this year...

[Essex]

He (and Liz Banks for that matter) were terrific in 'Seabiscuit'.


Speaking of Elizabeth Banks, I really hope she gets a bit more screen time in Spider-Man 3. She is a fantastic actress and I think she'll be really big very soon. She's not really an actor people are buzzing about right now, but I think she's just one role away from total stardom.

[Zac]

He (and Liz Banks for that matter) were terrific in 'Seabiscuit'.


Speaking of Elizabeth Banks, I really hope she gets a bit more screen time in Spider-Man 3. She is a fantastic actress and I think she'll be really big very soon. She's not really an actor people are buzzing about right now, but I think she's just one role away from total stardom.

It seems like I read an interview with her recently where she said she was going to be Mary Jane's bridesmaid? But I could be mistaken. Was she maybe a bridesmaid in #2? That would've made more sense.

[shaneomac]

I can't see Elizabeth Banks getting too much more screnn time for Spidey 3, with Gwen in the mix now. I mean, people are saying Betty Brant will show her love for Peter or whatever, but what would that make- a love square?

[The Symbiot]

I can't see Elizabeth Banks getting too much more screnn time for Spidey 3, with Gwen in the mix now. I mean, people are saying Betty Brant will show her love for Peter or whatever, but what would that make- a love square?


NO.... a love wrecktangle. :wink:

[easy D]

Daaaaamn, Spidey's a pimp!! 8)

[norrinraad]

Daaaaamn, Spidey's a pimp!! 8)

LOL! I've actually thought about that before. For a dude who's supposed to be an uber-nerd, Pete always got more A$$ than a toilet seat.

GEEKS RULE 8)
_____________
"She's not dead
She's gone away, she's gone away he said"

[Spidermatrix53]

No, that can't be. Because this is the real plot:

Madame Web puts Peter and Mary Jane trough the ultimate test...

1.) Sinister Six
2.) Spider-Clones
3.) Spider-Slayers
4.) Venom and Carnage
5.) Gonnorea

Abso-Friggen'-Lutely BRILLIANT!! Thank you Quenten Tarrintino(Surprise! He's the real new director! Another one of Sam Raimi's hidden secrets.)!!

[The Symbiot]

Well.... it's almost official.....Topher Grace is Eddie Brock / VENOM.

Here's an interview with THC, and this time he calls VENOM by name.

http://www.movies.msn.com/movies/hitlist/4-11-06[/url]

[Pod]

NOOOO!!!!!!!

[shaneomac]

I would laugh if it was all a lie and that whole interview was scripted- by Sam Raimi himself. That would be hilarious.............. and evil, for that matter. But at least someone would be happy (Bearpod).

[shaneomac]

No, that can't be. Because this is the real plot:

Madame Web puts Peter and Mary Jane trough the ultimate test...

1.) Sinister Six
2.) Spider-Clones
3.) Spider-Slayers
4.) Venom and Carnage
5.) Gonnorea

Abso-Friggen'-Lutely BRILLIANT!! Thank you Quenten Tarrintino(Surprise! He's the real new director! Another one of Sam Raimi's hidden secrets.)!!
What is this guy thinking? He already posted that in another topic. I don't know where he's getting that from.

And what's that about Quenten Tarrintino?

[easy D]

Not even suprised.

Can't see if anyone else was. Far too much speculation about the whole thing. You guys killed the suprise!!

[shaneomac]

You're right, we did ruin it..... :lol:

I personally wasn't surprised at all, really.

[shaneomac]

Thomas Haden Church seemed to say "Venom" very lesurely. I guess he figured that we all guessed it already, so it didn't really matter if he officially said his name. I think we can take this as a legit confirmation.

[shaneomac]

I just noticed something. Didn't it seem like, from what THC said, Venom was going to be more involved then we think in SM3. I mean, he was like "this is what I'll be doing, and this is what Venom will be doing." It kinda hints that Venom will be in the mix throughout the whole movie, or the most of it. Just an observation, but it just may get some people (that think Venom will be introduced at the very end) to change their minds. Think about it, if Venom wasn't going to be involved for most of the movie, THC would have said "and this is what Eddie Brock is doing."

[The Symbiot]

I just noticed something. Didn't it seem like, from what THC said, Venom was going to be more involved then we think in SM3. I mean, he was like "this is what I'll be doing, and this is what Venom will be doing." It kinda hints that Venom will be in the mix throughout the whole movie, or the most of it. Just an observation, but it just may get some people (that think Venom will be introduced at the very end) to change their minds. Think about it, if Venom wasn't going to be involved for most of the movie, THC would have said "and this is what Eddie Brock is doing."


In his mind, he could very well be talking about the final fight scene.... the battle royal.

[shaneomac]

I just noticed something. Didn't it seem like, from what THC said, Venom was going to be more involved then we think in SM3. I mean, he was like "this is what I'll be doing, and this is what Venom will be doing." It kinda hints that Venom will be in the mix throughout the whole movie, or the most of it. Just an observation, but it just may get some people (that think Venom will be introduced at the very end) to change their minds. Think about it, if Venom wasn't going to be involved for most of the movie, THC would have said "and this is what Eddie Brock is doing."


In his mind, he could very well be talking about the final fight scene.... the battle royal.
True, that's a good point, but I have a feeling he was talking about the movie in general.

[The Symbiot]

Other than Venom... my biggest hang-up is Why Gwen and Why now???

It just boggles the fu<%!ng mind. Anyway, do anyone have clue or sound idea, how they may incorporate the Stacys in this film? :?

My guest is based off the Ulitimate Spiderman comic involving Just A Guy Name Joe... maybe substitute JAGNJ with I thought Chameleon... but obviously Topher is not Chameleon now. So now I'm at a complete loss.

[Pod]

Oh crap...They're going to have the most depressed spidey in this film...

Sandman kills Captain Stacy...

Venom kills Gwen...

Spideys turned emo. :shock:

[shaneomac]

Other than Venom... my biggest hang-up is Why Gwen and Why now???

It just boggles the fu<%!ng mind. Anyway, do anyone have clue or sound idea, how they may incorporate the Stacys in this film? :?
I agree Symbiot. Throwing Gwen Stacey in this movie has the potential to really overcrowd it. We do not need Gwen Stacey in SM3, let only this franchise. From the end of Spidey 2, it looked as if Peter and Mary Jane would get married (or at least take their relationship to the next level). But with with the addition of Gwen, that may not go so smoothly. No matter waht happens, it will just add to the heaping pile of everything that will happen in the movie, leaving less time for more important things.

However, Gwen may not be as involved as we think. She could be, as someone else suggested, an admirer from afar. She may associate with Peter directly, and just try to ruin Peter's relationship with MJ, so she will have a chance with him. Or, maybe she'll just be a victim of Venom or Sandman, like Bearpod said. But I really don't know at this point, like everyone else.

P.S.- I think it's about time we heard some more news (not regarding Venom). We should be hearing something new about Sandman or something about the Harry/Green Goblin situation.

[The Symbiot]

However, Gwen may not be as involved as we think.

Indeed.... I have an idea I've been thinking about over the last few days. I was struck by what Liz Banks said in a recent interview... paraphrasing... "She will explore more her relationship with Peter, but in the end, we all know he will end up with MJ".

I think the love triangle will be between Peter, MJ, and Betty(since she is already establish), and that Gwen will possibly be Harry Osborn love interest... not Eddie's. I know it's a stretch, but Harry needs someone to comfy to, someone in his life, he has no one other than Peter, and they will bring the Goblin Legacy to a climax.

Avi said that, "Liz will have a slightly bigger role to play". Sam said, "he will deviate from the comics' stories". Franco said, "the fan believe one thing, but I think they will get something else". Sam said, "there may be a few surprises". Other than that.... I got nothing.

I can't see them going into a long back story for Gwen and Capt. Stacy with all that will be involved. Pete's continuing story, now includes a relationship with MJ and the Symbiot, and his career, because he is probably fired for stealing MJ from John, MJ's career vs relationship, and she still have to deal with the John issue, Aunt May, Harry vs Peter and GG vs SM, Marko's story and family, Sandman, Eddie's story, The Symbiot origin, Connors and all the Lab Techs. possibly cliffhanger of Lizard, and now Venom.

There would be no real need to do a backstory on the Stacys in she is involved with Harry, well maybe a real short briefing, then there would be if she was with Peter in a love triangle..... IMO.....

[easy D]

Jeez why are you using bold letters?

We get it, you're spelling "symbiote" wrong.

[shaneomac]

Is it really spelled "symbiote"? I never realized that....

[The Symbiot]

Jeez why are you using bold letters?


... and that really bothers you... wtf... are you neurotic or something... jeez. :roll:



We get it, you're spelling "symbiote" wrong.


... the word come from symbiosis, in adj terms it's symbiotic, of course in the adv it's symbiotically. In the comics, they added an e to make it more distinquish, but that spelling is not a real true word... symbiot is the correct spelling.

the symbiot :)

[Pod]

Jeez why are you using bold letters?


... and that really bothers you... wtf... are you neurotic or something... jeez. :roll:



We get it, you're spelling "symbiote" wrong.


... the word come from symbiosis, in adj terms it's symbiotic, of course in the adv it's symbiotically. In the comics, they added an e to make it more distinquish, but that spelling is not a real true word... symbiot is the correct spelling.

the symbiot :)

:roll: Who. Cares.

[B]

If we're getting all scientific, the term can be either symbiote (http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=symbiote) or symbiont (http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=symbiont). Symbiot doesn't appear in any dictionary I'm aware of.

Seriously though, what bearpod said: who cares? Let's please talk about the movie rather than arguing about spelling.

(Even though I just did, I know)

[The Symbiot]

Here is some recent pictures of Topher Grace looking more like Ultimate Eddie than 616 Eddie, although there is a nice comparison to the Classic 616 Eddie at the bottom.








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[Pod]

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d176/Zeringetti/TGEB.jpg

I still say he'll never look like the real eddie brock. He can only pull off skinny Ultimate eddie.

I wonder if they're going to do the 616 origin of venom or the ultimate. I think it's going to be more of the ultimate version because all the villians have turned themselves into these monsters so it should follow here too. But that whole Pete's father worked with Eddie's father thing shouldn't be included. And the space symbiote is something too big for the film to really explain. So we're going to see a completely different Eddie Brock in this film...

[easy D]

You know, with that beard, I think he can pull it off. Just needs to get rid of that zit, first.

[shaneomac]

Topher does resemble Ultimate Eddie quite nicely in those first 3 pictures.

At least enough to pass as him in a movie........

[The Symbiot]

Here's some more interesting news.... a security gaurd made and interesting statement that may fuel speculation that Electro may possibly be in this film. Ckeck link here.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=4117

:)

[The Symbiot]

Some more interesting news. http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=4118

[The Symbiot]

:?: You know... do any1 find it funny that we all kinds of scoops, pictures, scene descriptions over a two day period in Cleveland, but not a damn thing over months of shooting in LA???

[easy D]

Apparently, it's because it's Cleveland... those dudes over there aren't used to filming, so they'd probably let anybody pass if they brought them a sandwich. Try it!!

[evilsith]

Spiderman: The War on Drugs
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/Steffi6963/spiderman3.jpg

[DarrenJSeeley]

Spiderman: The War on Drugs
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/Steffi6963/spiderman3.jpg

Hmmm...I had a funny feeling when the X-Men and the Brotherhood were up there in that first film they may have left something behind...jk :twisted:

[DarrenJSeeley]

.... a security gaurd made and interesting statement that may fuel speculation that Electro may possibly be in this film. :)

He said "Electro or Venom". But since all set reports from the Cleveland second unit indicate something Sandman related thus far, I'd say the guard was unsure what villian that would be seen.

[The Symbiot]

Yeah, I know.... I didn't mean to imply just ignore Venom..... I'm sure that he knows it's Venom and Sandman.... no doubt. My reason for posting this story was, how can a person who is working for Columbia Studio and on location didn't know it was Sandman and not Electro. Come on, that's the one thing I thought everyone, including new borns, knew about. I just thought it was strange that someone who should be well inform, with what's going on, and the hype surrounding this film, would know who the villains are. I'm sure they(security guards) were brief about some information on the cast....who they are, situation surrounding them, media trying to get info on them, etc. I just think this guard is playing games and threw that name out there to give himself a little buzz, knowing people would jump on the Electro comment. I'm pretty sure, he knows the hype and speculation going on, on the set of SM3. That's why I said "security guard fueling speculation again, on the posssible appearence of Electro in this film".

[Pod]

Spiderman: The War on Drugs
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/Steffi6963/spiderman3.jpg

Can sand look like drugs? Because if Sandman has to escape someway he can turn into alot of sand and get into the city...right?

[tecspyder]

Hmm maybe Bearpod, but why would he want to look like drugs so smuggle himself into the city? Wouldn’t that be...I dunno...suspicious? Why not just look like SAND? I think sand would set off fewer flags with the police than cocaine! Not to mention sand has got to be easier to smuggle!

[easy D]

maybe if you dyed it yellow, heroin could pass

[tecspyder]

Haha no I think you misinterpreted what I was saying EasyD. I think trying to disguise your self as drugs would be a lot more suspicious, a lot more complicated, and a lot more dangerous than just turning into a pile of sand and coming in on a dump truck or simply taking a taxi into New York City. But I do agree with ‘Pod, this headline probably has something to do with the story just like the Daily Bugle headlines in Spider-Man one and two.

[The Symbiot]

What are the chances that Man-Wolf is some how involved in the Spiderman3 plot? Look at this. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0413300/) Now before you say, you can't trust IMDB, there has to be a reason why they would change their cast listing from Daniel Gillies cast as John Jamerson Jr. to John Jamerson/Man-Wolf. Yet, they still won't say Topher Grace cast as Eddie Brock/Venom, but just Eddie Brock. Think about it.

[tecspyder]

Hmm...Yea it's interesting but my mind set is still the same: I don't believe anything or anybody who isn't directly tied to the movie.



And by the way, you can’t always trust IMDB. :D

[The Symbiot]

Actually, I see how Man-Wolf could fit in this movie.... so I really think there maybe some validity to it.

[The Symbiot]

This picture just screams Maxwell Dillon to me, don't ask why.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d176/Zeringetti/Topher_MaxDillon.jpg



and check this out if you have not lately.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man3

[Pod]

and check this out if you have not lately.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man3

Uhh...So? :?

[easy D]

Whoa, this is a strange headline,

"Dunst Blows Spidey 3 Villains" (http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/653/653818p1.html)

if you don't get it, then your mind's not in the gutter...






virgin

[norrinraad]

"Dunst Blows Spidey 3 Villains" (http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/653/653818p1.html)

Well, that certainly explains why Green Goblin always had that crazy grin on his face :lol:

[Pod]

:lol: IGN visitors must have been clicking that link all the time hoping to see something.

[The Symbiot]

Without giving too much away about the plot, I'll tell you about my favorite scene I did in Spiderman 3. It took 9 days to shoot a chase scene between Spidey and Sandman. Sandman appears on top of a Brinks (bank) truck, and busts thru the top to take control of the truck. As Spidey tries to stop him, Sandman begins to "bleed" sand out into the cab of the truck, filling it and forcing down the gas pedal. The truck begins to accelerate and crashes into several other cars.

At the end of the Street there is a Garbage truck that Sandman crashes into, sending the brinks truck flying upside down across the street. All along the way, Spidey is shooting webs and saving people from the destruction. As Sandman crashes, Spidey leaps off the top of the truck and makes his exit, where he then runs into me, on a bus. The rest you will have to wait for!

It was a pleasure to work with Dan Bradley. I think a lot of people don't realize how much work an Assistant Director does. He did give me the low down on Dukes of Hazards 2, but I'm sure nobody wants to hear about that. Also, Spideys suit is padded in some areas, but not in the butt. That's real. I know for a fact. Colin Follenweider, an amazing athlete, played Spideys stunt double.



What is she saying.... that she's Black Cat :?:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d176/Zeringetti/Brenna-2006-02-10_011-359x482.jpg

[Pod]

In all of that I really didn't hear anything that even relates to Black Cat. She's a extra in the scene, and the scene doesn't even seem like something Black Cat would need to be in. You makin' a' no sense!

She's not Black Cat, she's just some little blip in the movie.

[The Symbiot]

:roll: I know pod, the point being that she says she know for a fact, that Spidey's ass is not padded, as if she felt-up the stunt double, maybe in that scene. That struck me as something Black Cat would do to Spidey, especially since she's hinting something Major, that we will have to wait and see. I was speculating on her role, geeeze, everything is taken with salt Pod, until it's confirm..... lighten up and have some fun..... Squarepants..... Sponge Bob that is....

[Pod]

Fun...fun...Can't...Comprehend....Must...Talk...sl owly...

There, that's my fun.

I'm still pissed about Venom, ok?

[norrinraad]

In all of that I really didn't hear anything that even relates to Black Cat. She's a extra in the scene, and the scene doesn't even seem like something Black Cat would need to be in. You makin' a' no sense!

She's not Black Cat, she's just some little blip in the movie.

Agreed. I read the whole quote too and nothing about it says "Black Cat" to me. If anything, I would assume that her comment was a coy little hint that she may be dating the stunt double guy in real life. Notice she goes on about what a great athlete he is. It would definitely explain why she seems to know so much about his butt 8)

[The Symbiot]

Agreed. I read the whole quote too and nothing about it says "Black Cat" to me. If anything, I would assume that her comment was a coy little hint that she may be dating the stunt double guy in real life. Notice she goes on about what a great athlete he is. It would definitely explain why she seems to know so much about his butt 8)


lol.... great point

[The Symbiot]

What are the chances that Man-Wolf is some how involved in the Spiderman3 plot? Look at this. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0413300/) Now before you say, you can't trust IMDB, there has to be a reason why they would change their cast listing from Daniel Gillies cast as John Jamerson Jr. to John Jamerson/Man-Wolf. Yet, they still won't say Topher Grace cast as Eddie Brock/Venom, but just Eddie Brock. Think about it.


Well I guess I know why IMDB didn't update their casting list for Topher Grace to Eddie Brock/Venom, like they did for Daniel Gillies' John Jameson/ManWolf..... because they have completely took Topher Grace name off the casting list... WTH is going on over there. Not only that, They have removed Dallas Howard(Gwen Stacy) name as well, and added to Dylan Baker Dr. Curt Connors/Lizard...... GO Fu<%!ng Figure. Is the Lizard in this movie now, as he should be? You can click at the top (Look at this) to view.

Either they know something that we don't and have not got word of yet; or, they are completely screwed up over there, allowing fans to post and change the database..... what ever it is, SONY needs to simply stop pussy-footing around, and confirm Topher and James already. :evil:

[Pod]

This is getting too confusing. They just keep posting up that everyone will be a villian now?! Arg, just ignore it. I'm waiting for the official trailer in the summer or fall. I kinda want to take a brake on this whole spidey 3 arguements.

[norrinraad]

Well I guess I know why IMDB didn't update their casting list for Topher Grace to Eddie Brock/Venom, like they did for Daniel Gillies' John Jameson/ManWolf..... because they have completely took Topher Grace name off the casting list... WTH is going on over there. Not only that, They have removed Dallas Howard(Gwen Stacy) name as well, and added to Dylan Baker Dr. Curt Connors/Lizard...... GO Fu<%!ng Figure. Is the Lizard in this movie now, as he should be? You can click at the top (Look at this) to view.

Either they know something that we don't and have not got word of yet; or, they are completely screwed up over there, allowing fans to post and change the database..... what ever it is, SONY needs to simply stop pussy-footing around, and confirm Topher and James already. :evil:

I'm telling ya, they're screwing with us! And you know what, I love it, every single agonizing minute of it! I love not knowing what's going on, and I love the speculation. My guess still remains, that Venom is going to be set up in this film, with a full-blown Venom/Spidey film being saved for 2010 or whenever we see the next Spidey film. There is simply too much going on here, what with unresolved issues with MJ, Harry's (suggested) descent into madness, the introduction of Gwen and Arthur Stacy, and Sandman, for Venom to be done any real justice. I believe they will go the Ultimate route and set Grace up as some version of Eddie Brock, before having him Venom out for the 4th film. They may even set it up as a cliffhanger, like they did with Harry at the end of the second movie or with Joker at the end of Batman Begins. Imagine a final scene in Spidey 3, with Venom slowly turning around to reveal fangs and tongue! That alone would be worth my ten bucks...
___________
"You can get busy living or you can get busy dying."

[The Symbiot]

This is getting too confusing. They just keep posting up that everyone will be a villian now?! Arg, just ignore it. I'm waiting for the official trailer in the summer or fall. I kinda want to take a brake on this whole spidey 3 arguements.


I'm trying, but the power of the Spider keeps pulling me back in.......... also, this C2F forums, what else are we going to talk about.....politics, religion, relationships.... :shock:

[The Symbiot]

I'm telling ya, they're screwing with us! And you know what, I love it, every single agonizing minute of it! I love not knowing what's going on, and I love the speculation. My guess still remains, that Venom is going to be set up in this film, with a full-blown Venom/Spidey film being saved for 2010 or whenever we see the next Spidey film. There is simply too much going on here, what with unresolved issues with MJ, Harry's (suggested) descent into madness, the introduction of Gwen and Arthur Stacy, and Sandman, for Venom to be done any real justice. I believe they will go the Ultimate route and set Grace up as some version of Eddie Brock, before having him Venom out for the 4th film. They may even set it up as a cliffhanger, like they did with Harry at the end of the second movie or with Joker at the end of Batman Begins. Imagine a final scene in Spidey 3, with Venom slowly turning around to reveal fangs and tongue! That alone would be worth my ten bucks....


I like certaincy, if that's a word. I like to know; however, it is fun to speculate.

I don't think there is too much going on in this film.... I can see how what many called alot, can easily fit in a two hour plus film.

Yes I agree, Venom is a set up for a future film, no doubt, but I still skepticle about Grace being Ultimate Eddie.

[Pod]

This is getting too confusing. They just keep posting up that everyone will be a villian now?! Arg, just ignore it. I'm waiting for the official trailer in the summer or fall. I kinda want to take a brake on this whole spidey 3 arguements.


I'm trying, but the power of the Spider keeps pulling me back in.......... also, this C2F forums, what else are we going to talk about.....politics, religion, relationships.... :shock:

Do you read ToM's posts?!? :?

Well I don't so maybe you can tell me if he talks about those topics. :wink:

And now back to the topic: Venom is stuck in this franchise. I hate it. Not Venom, but the actor. I've said it too many times so I'm just ganna drift away...

[The Symbiot]

I'm trying, but the power of the Spider keeps pulling me back in.......... also, this C2F forums, what else are we going to talk about.....politics, religion, relationships.... :shock:

Do you read ToM's posts?!? :?

Well I don't so maybe you can tell me if he talks about those topics. :wink:

And now back to the topic: Venom is stuck in this franchise. I hate it. Not Venom, but the actor. I've said it too many times so I'm just ganna drift away...


:lol: I read tOm'S posts in segments. A little here, a little there. By the time I reach the end, I've totally forgotten what he was saying. :?


Anyway, I'm not knocking IMDB as much as I'm knocking Sony for playing around with us, the fans.... but truely, I really can't knock them either.... it's marketing baby.... I'ld probably done the same.

[The Symbiot]

I don't know if anyone have read this or not, but I thought it was pretty interesting.


Sam Raimi, the cast and crew are presently in the midst of shooting Spiderman 3, is also surrounded by the ongoing buzz that encompass the film. Even in slow times, the fans of the highly anticipated film, savor in the discussion, theories, and speculation amongst themselves, on internet blogs. With the release of "X-men: The Last Stand" and the approaching release of "Superman Returns", Spiderman 3 has the unique ability to take the thunder away from those films; even though the film is still a year away from release.

In March 05, Spiderman 3 created a relative large blast with the announcement of Thomas Haden Church joining the cast as the "main nemesis". In May that same year, a huge explosion took place with the announcement of Topher Grace. Kirsten Dunst would later pour gas on the fire with her revelation that the villains were Sandman and Venom. Sandman would later be confirmed by Sony with the release of a Thomas Haden Church photo as "Flint Marko"; yet through all of that, Topher Grace remained unconfirmed. Generating more buzz and free hype than what Avi and Sony could have dreamed.

The day finally arrived. Avi Arad confirm not only what fans of the genre, have known for about a year, that Topher Grace is Eddie Brock aka Venom; but James Franco's role as well, as the returning Green Goblin. Now that the secret is out, fans of the famous superhero can now move on with their lives, with anticipation of seeing their favorite villains on screen. Yet Avi Arad has manage to create an even larger explosion on the scale of an atom bomb with the revelation of a "Fourth Villain". In the words of countless internet bloggers, "OMG!" The only way Avi can top that and go completely nuclear, would be to reveal Spiderman dies! Well before Avi goes nuclear, lets analyze who this fourth villain could be. You think you know? Well it ensures to create "mass hysteria" in one form or another by film end.

We know that Harry and Flint(Brains and Brawns respectively) team-up. Imagine Harry, in the dark study, the very room that Spidey laid his father's life-less body to rest, conversing with a shadowy figure of someone.... or is it the mirror? We know that Eddie Brock won't become Venom until the film's final moments, the climatic finish. We know the story will center around Peter, with the aid of the Symbiote, becoming everything his late Uncle Ben warned him of, and his ability to recognize
and deal with the Symbiote's effect on him; as well as, his relationship with Mary Jane Watson and her emerging career. Add all the relating, yet compelling stories involving Gwen and George Stacy, Aunt May, the Bugle staff, including Brock, and Dr. Connors research team. It would appear as if the fourth villain does not really exist... conventionally. However, this villain promise to shock and surprise the audience with intrigue and craftiness only villains like Kingpin, Norman Osborn, and The Devil himself could love. He will be seen throughout the film, putting and enacting his plan, in motion; striking confusion and kaos in the eyes of Peter Parker, Spiderman. Peter's already new dark personality, brought on by the Symbiote, will help add and fuel his mounting troubles.

The audience will become captivated with amazement and disbelief at what they are seeing. Leading the audience to question themselves as to "what is going on?" Who is this unseen spirit that is embodying the very essence of the cast, in doing his bidding, as the cast is uniquely, cast as the villain. The true brains behind the "Brains and Brawns", behind the scenes, will accomplish more, in the down trotten of Spiderman, than those he graciously aids. In "Spider-man" the mask of the Goblin spoke to Norman, "the conning warrior attacks neither mind or body, but the heart Osborn, the heart". Well, the mind will pay a heavy toll as well.

Everytime the fans view on screen, Mary Jane's hint of disgust with Peter's attitude towards her or MJ comfy to John, the growing fued between Peter and Harry, Aunt May's unexpected behavior, Betty Brant's
flirtatious prowess, even Peter shunning those close, and articles in the Daily Bugle claiming, "Spiderman a Theif: Shows His True Colors", the audience will assume with certainty, that the Symbiote alone is respondsible. By the film's end, fans will leave the theaters with exuberance and astonishment. Not just for the great story, drama, and suspense, the exhilarating action and SFX, or the cliffhanger fueling enormous anticipation for a possible Spiderman 4; but, for also doing what
Marvel could never do... peak interest and raising the statis of spiderman's first villain, the Chameleon, who uniquely, is not necessarily played by any one person; giving the cast more range with their individual
characters and/or roles. Yes, give Sam some credit, for taking heed to Nolan's use of characters, specifically Scarecrow.

[The Symbiot]

This could be a huge Spoiler... so ***** SPOILER WARNIMG: MAY GIVE AWAY THE WHOLE SM3 FILM...READ AT OWN RISK!!!!! *****

The date on this was about three weeks ago, but I just saw it and thought it was interesting. I check and no one posted it here, so here we go. Maybe old news since it is about three weeks old. If so, please just ignore it....... I'm so late. :(









Yes well I found this post by pureplayajim72 on imdb...I WARN YOU IF this is true it gives away the ENTIRE MOVIE! DO NOT read on if you are not ready to spoil this for yourself!!!!
"The earliest script reports are very accurate, however it was only a rough draft and there have been ALOT of significant changes made.

The first part of the script deals with Peter and MJ's on-going relationship. The first scene has Peter attend one of MJ's stage events. As the audience applauds in approval, we pan up to see Harry Osborn's reveal, leering at Peter.

Next, as Peter and MJ part (MJ getting into a cab driven by Chris Tucker) in a comical moment, Peter removes a ring from his pocket...an engagement ring. As Peter is walking to his apartment, he's attacked by The Goblin (Harry Osborn). After an intense aerial fight sequence that deals with Peter not only trying to save himself from injury but also save his engagement ring. Finally, the fight goes into an alley where Peter creates a web that Harry flies straight into and is knocked unconcious. Peter removes his facial mask to see that it is indeed Harry. Harry, not remembering anything (effects from the human performance enhancers) promises to go get help.

Next we're introduced to Eddie Brock, a rival photographer at the Daily Bugle that always competes with Peter. There is tension between the two from the get-go, mostly on Brock's behalf. JJ informs both men that there is a promotion available, and that the man who gets more incriminating shots of Web-Head will get the job. JJ assigns them both to take pictures at the Spider-Man Appreciation Day event the next day.

Next, we're introduced to Sandman, already equipped with his shape-shifting sand powers. He robs a bank and Spidey is on his tail. In the process, Gwen Stacey is nearly killed only to be saved by Spidey. There is a small moment between her and Spider-Man. Meanwhile, The Sandman has gotten away. We follow Sandman to his grungey home with his wife. We see that he is stealing the money to have a procedure done to cure him of his newfound abilities. He is in direct c
ontact with a man named Justin Hammer about the procedure. (a nod to the Ultimate comics)

We see the arrival of the symbiote to earth, straight out of a 60's sci-fi monster movie as a meteorite lands in central park. Meanwhile, we see Harry, now a full-blown alcoholic, in his father's den. He continues to hear the voice of his father inside his head. He tries to fight it off, but its just too strong. Harry goes into the Goblin lair, only to see his father's reflection in broken glass. Norman tells Harry to avenge him. A pumpkin bomb explodes right next to his face, awaking him, as it was all just a nightmare, and Harry is slumped over a table, an empty bottle of whiskey in hand.

We're re-introduced to Mr. Ditkovich and Ursula as Peter goes to his apartment. Peter and MJ go on a date that night as we soon learn that MJ is having problems with her father, her acting career (not being able to land a movie role) and is perhaps a bit jealous of the fame that her significant other is gaining as Spider-Man. Peter talks about how he revealed himself to her and everything that has happened, before proposing to her. MJ says yes.

Next, Peter is making his way home as the symbiote from the meteor sticks to the bottom of his shoe. He goes back to his apartment, and goes to sleep, as the symbiote manifests itself under his bed and lies in wait.

The next day in Dr. Conners class, Peter and Gwen meet. He begins to tutor her as Brock becomes insanely jealous. We learn that Brock and Gwen are ex's.

At the Spider-Man Appreciation Day event, Peter meets up with MJ. They talk abit as Peter makes sure that MJ assures him she's not upset about the event. Next, Peter quick-changes into Spidey, making his appearance. Gwen, for being saved by Spider-Man, presents him with the key to the city. She also steals one of his patented upside-down kisses. Brock is immediately infuriated. MJ is too discouraged.

The event is interrupted by Sandman, who has hijacked an armored car. Sandman goes at it with Spidey. Spider-Man, attempting to save everyone, is beaten for the time being as Sandman makes a get away. Brock is there to snap pictures of the down-and-out Spidey. We see more tension between Brock and Gwen, as Gwen tells Brock that she never wants to see him again. He immediately blames Spider-Man.

Peter, exhausted, slumps up the stairs in full Spider-Man outfit infront of Ditkovich, who just stares wide-eyed. Peter goes to sleep, as the symbiote attaches itself to him. The screen becomes entirely black. Next, Peter wakes up, hanging upside down above the city. He sees his reflection in the side of a building in the Spider-Man costume, however it has become entirely black (the symbiote suit) Peter learns to control his new suit.

The next morning at the Bugle, JJ is going crazy over the Sandman pictures and Spidey being beaten. In a comedy moment, Hoffman and JJ name the Sandman. JJ praises BRock for his photo's.

Peter wakes up as he realizes he's late for work. He sees that the Symbiote suit will not come off. Hurrying, he rushes out the door. Ditkovich confronts him about Spider-Man, as Peter tells him that Spider-Man comes over every Tuesday night to play poker. Slowly, we start to see the symbiote taking its toll on Peter. He explodes on Dr. Conners in class, and on Aunt May. Meanwhile, we see MJ's father hitting her up for money. Peter gets into a confrontation with him and ends up laying him out. MJ and Peter get into a fight over it. Peter also learns that the symbiote can transform into an article of clothing, in particular a leather jacket and the mask portion of the symbiote actually becomes Peter's hair, turning jet black. His eyes even change. He starts to gain a pale complexion. Peter goes out on a date with Gwen Stacy, and has seemingly become more aggressive even in the courting of women.

Next, we see Peter in the Symbiote suit beating common criminals senseless. It is truly controlling him and turning him evil. All the sudden, a man robs a small store and takes off running as Spidey is on his tail. He chases him into an alley. As Spidey grabs him, he begins having hallucinations of Uncle Ben being killed. Suddenly, the man is his arms becomes the man who shot Uncle Ben. Next, he sees visions of Sandman killing Uncle Ben. All effects of the symbiote. Peter loses control of the suit, growing in size and strength, as his teeth become sharp and long, and a giant tongue comes out of his mouth. He heaves the criminal through the air and starts screaming to get the suit off of him. Peter takes off, jumping from rooftop to rooftop. He lands on power cables and is nearly fried. Peter lands in a graveyard as he crawls through and comes to the grave of Uncle Ben. It is raining heavily as Peter clings to the headstone.

Next, we see Eddie Brock and Gwen. Eddie tries to apologize to Gwen. He tries to force himself on her as she runs out. Brock sees Symbiote Spidey on TV being covered by the news.

Meanwhile, Harry wants to meet MJ. They meet in central park as Harry stalks MJ first. They finally come face-to-face and talk about Peter. This time, its Harry who tries to force himself on MJ as she runs out.

Peter has a nightmare where the symbiote eats him alive. He awakes in a cold sweat, and swings to Dr. Conners lab. Conners takes a sample of the Symbiote and starts to study it. We also see clues of him working on the lizard DNA project to replace his arm. Next, we see Peter and MJ going over wedding details with Aunt May. They come to the conclusion that they simply don't have enough money to give MJ the wedding she wanted (at the top of a green hill like what was said in SM2).

Because of this, Symbiote Spidey robs a bank as Brock is there to get photo's of it. Brock is clearly pulling ahead in JJJ's eyes as Peter rages on JJ and Robbie Robertson. There is another Sandman bank robbery, as the Symbiote suit covers Peter. Spider-Man and Sandman battle, as Sandman makes a crack about he was the first one to get to the bank therefore the money is his! The fight goes down into the subway. The symbiote tells Peter that it was Sandman who murdered Uncle Ben. Sandman is doused with a giant wave of water as Spidey gets away. Sandman reforms at his grungey home.

Meanwhile, there is tension between Gwen Stacey and her father, who is heading a task force to take down Spider-Man. In one scene, Symbiote Spidey actually fights the police. Spidey is shot several times but learns that bullets do not affect the symbiote suit. In the midst of it, Captain Stacey is killed by falling debris. Taking somewhat responsibility for it, Aunt May allows Gwen to stay at her apartment. Gwen gets even closer to Peter, but now hates Spider-Man.

Meanwhile, MJ gives Peter his ring back and tells him she cannot marrie him. With that, MJ gets on a train and leaves New York. We see Peter drop the ring into an incinerator. Next, we see that Dr. Conners has enlisted the help of his good friend, and African-American doctor named Ben Riley, who has tested the symbiote sample and has concluded that its weaknesses are loud sound and heat. Peter, being tortured by the symbiote swings to a cathedral. Meanwhile, Brock follows him. As Peter swings into the belltower, he starts to ring the bell as the symbiote is weakened. He rips it off just as Eddie enters and sees that its Peter. Meanwhile, the symbiote lands on Brock and begins to bond with him. Peter swings off and inside the cathedral, Brock is taken over by the symbiote and he becomes a steaming husk, just as the task force to take down Spider-Man arrives. They enter the cathedral as the husk explodes and VENOM emerges. Venom single-handedly takes out the task force.

Harry still struggles with the voice of his father inside his head. Meanwhile, back at his apartment, and looking at a photo of himself and MJ, Peter realizes that he truly loves her. He meets Gwen at a coffee shop to tell her that he loves MJ when Venom hits the scene. VEnom takes Gwen to the top of a skys****er. Peter, unable to change into Spider-Man, faces Venom at the top of a skys****er as the rain pours down, only wearing a hood over his head to protect his identity from Gwen. As Peter and Venom battle, his hood is thrown off as Gwen sees that its Peter. In that split second, Gwen is dropped as Peter has no choice but to try and save her, however her neck is snapped and she dies. She dies in Peter's arms just as police arrive and Venom gets away.

Meanwhile, the symbiote takes complete control of Brock telling him that he needs to kill Spider-Man and Parker. Next, we see Peter at Uncle Ben's gravestone again. Finally, Spider-Man is back in full-swing. Sandman is pulling off his biggest heist yet as Spidey hits the scene. The two battle as it goes to a construction site. Venom hits the scene. Soon, Sandman begins to absorb sand around him as he starts to grow huge. He creates giant sand pits as Spidey jumps over them, with Venom leaping after him, and Sandman slamming down his giant malice and sledgehammer. Soon, Venom has beaten Spider-Man. Sandman attempts to finish him off but Venom takes a bite out of Sandman, killing him, saying that HE is the one who will take out Spider-Man. Just as Venom is about to kill Spider-Man, Harry/Goblin hits the scene. Harry and Spider-Man fight against Venom. Just as Venom is about to deliver the death blow once again to SPider-Man with one of his tentacles, Harry dives in the way and takes the hit. Ben Riley and his team arrive with a supersonic sound device and defeat Venom, as they contain the symbiote. Meanwhile, Harry dies in Peter's arms and tells him that he's his best friend.

The closing scenes show Peter at Harry's funeral. He walks off as roses are dropped on Harry's casket. Pan up to see Norman Osborn, smiling. Next, we see the symbiote being locked up in Ben Riley's lab and labeled as 'VENOM'. The last scene we find Peter and Aunt May ontop of the Empire State Building, she reveals that she's always known that he was Spider-Man. Sirens are heard in the distance as Spider-Man dives off the building and quick-changes into Spidey, swinging off as the credits roll.

(There will be a scene added somewhere into the script that will involve Quentin Beck aka Mystero, who will be played by Bruce Campbell) THis scene will also explain his previous appearances in the Spider-Man films."

[DarrenJSeeley]

I check(ed) and no one posted it here, so here we go

With good reason.

When it comes to comments section of the IMDB, there are some folks with no morals. Either they give off a pack of lies or they are big time leakers. No matter. They are idiots, and that should say it all.

The comments sections on IMDB movie pages is what cheapened the IMDB; folks handing in misleading information, hersay, or worse. The plot above seems to fit in with the trailer as well as the big news a few weeks before comic con regarding the scene of Uncle Ben's "revised" demise.

Now, it's not uncommon to debate rumors and rumors of rumors. It also seems the "fourth villian" was suggested to be the symbiont on Parker/Parker's inner demons...and the Mysterio cameo seems to have died down a little. I'd laugh, though, if after the big fight a part of that symbiont latches itself to one Cletus Kassidy...

[The Xenos]

Symbiot, I avoided reading any of that. I'm glad you put up a warning.

Now I'm not saying you have to do this, but I just want to let you know of this neat option that usually works when I post spoilers. For spoilers, you can change the color of the text like this by highlighting a selection and then selecting font color. What usually works is making the text white, so for those who want to read it, they can highlight it with the cursor.

[The Symbiot]

Thanx, because I do not know how to do Spoiler Tags.

[Zac]

Thanx, because I do not know how to do Spoiler Tags.

It's very very simple, all you do is this:

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Warning 'Titanic' spoiler: The boat sinks
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Then you highlight the spoiler part, and at the top of the area where you type the message, you click the arrow next to Font Color and select white. Thats it!

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Warning 'Titanic' spoiler: The boat sinks
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[The Symbiot]

We will probably see the extended trailer sometime this week. Maybe on the Internet Friday morning at 12:01am and later with 'Taladaga Nights'.

[shaneomac]

We will probably see the extended trailer sometime this week. Maybe on the Internet Friday morning at 12:01am and later with 'Taladaga Nights'.
Just curious: What makes you say that? I'm not saying you're wrong, but some of the stuff form that trailer was raw animation, and may take a little bit of time to make into trailer quality.

[The Symbiot]

Well Shane, you could be right, some of it was RAW. But originally, the 1st full trailer was said to be released with 'Taladaga Nights' and we know most studios would release it on the internet the day/night before a movie release. I just felt like the attendees of the Comic Con, would be the first to get first look at the full trailer, than the public would get to see it when it's released with 'Taladaga Nights'. That was just my guess, an ws not based on facts or anything.

[shaneomac]

Oh, ok. I thought you had heard some news or something.

[The Symbiot]

Before you all jump on me for going to IMDB, I was just looking. :P Anyway, when I visited the site, I notice two, maybe three minor cast members, looking similiar to possible future villains. I not saying they would become villains, just that they have a similiar look to the villains human persona. Now they are listed to be playing parts other than who one would expect a future villain to be, neither-the-less...

So my question is, what are the chances and number of these characters we will see that actually have a villainious background. In SM2, we saw three... Harry obviously, and new ones Connors and Jameson Jr. Will we see Mac Gargen, Roderick Kingsley, Kraven, etc.?

[The Symbiot]

Nice little interview with the cast... check it out.

http://video.scifi.com/player.html?dlid=25067

[The Symbiot]

Underline=Domestic total --- No-Line=International
Top 20 Comic Book Movies All Time Gross

1. Spider-man (2002) 403.7 418.0
2. Spider-man 2 (2004) 373.3 410.4
3. Batman (1989) 251.1 160.1
4. Men In Black (1997) 250.6 338.7
5. X-Men: The Last Stand (2006) 234.0 207.1
6. X2: X-Men United (2003) 214.9 191.5
7. Batman Begins (2005) 205.3 166.4
8. Superman Returns (2006) 193.1 146.5
9. Men In Black 2 (2002) 190.4 251.4
10. Batman Forever (1995) 184.0 152.5
11. Batman Returns (1992) 162.8 104.0
12. X-Men (2000) 157.1 138.7
13. Fantastic Four (2005) 154.5 165.1
14. Over the Hedge (2006) 154.1 132.5
15. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1990) 135.2 66.7
16. Superman (1978) 134.2 166.0
17. Hulk (2003) 132.1 113.1
18. The Mask (1994) 119.9 231.4
19. Superman 2 (1981) 108.1 --
20. Batman and Robin (1997) 107.2 130.9


I have a question for you all. We know that The Spiderman Franchise is rank #1 & #2 in comic book movies all-time gross. There is no doubt in my mind that Spiderman3 will top its previous records, and be #1. My question is, what are the chances of Spiderman3 becoming the #2 film of all-time behind only Titanic. Also where do you truely feel Spiderman3 will rank all-time. Personally, I think Spiderman3 will finish #2 all-time, just edging out StarWars Episode IV(which is currently #2). Keep in mind Spiderman is currently rank 6th all-time at 403.7 million and Spiderman2 ranked 10th at 373.6 million. I believe Spiderman3 will top both.

I understand the stiff compettion facing Spiderman3 so close to its release date; however, I really would like to know your feelings on this. I was pretty close in my prediction of 'Superman Returns' and 'X-Men3'.
For your own information POTCII is currently 7th at 396.0 million. Here the complete list of All-Time Grossing Movies. Also, I have always felt that 'StarWars Episode IV' and 'ET' are truely the #1 and #2 films, because they made their money when it cost $2.75 to see a movie... their final total is totally amazing and outstanding for its time.

All Time Box Office (U.S.)

1 Titanic $600,788,188 (12/97)
2 Star Wars $460,998,007 (05/77)
3 Shrek 2 $441,226,247 (05/04)
4 E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial $435,110,554 (06/82)
5 Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace $431,088,301 (05/99)
6 Spider-Man $403,706,375 (05/02)
7 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest $396,040,741 (07/06)
8 Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith $380,270,577 (05/05)
9 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King $377,027,325 (12/03)
10 Spider-Man 2 $373,585,825 (06/04)
11 The Passion of the Christ $370,782,930 (02/04)
12 Jurassic Park $357,067,947 (06/93)
13 The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers $341,786,758 (12/02)
14 Finding Nemo $339,714,978 (05/03)
15 Forrest Gump $329,694,499 (07/94)
16 The Lion King $328,541,776 (06/94)
17 Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone $317,575,550 (11/01)
18 The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring $314,776,170 (12/01)
19 Star Wars: Episode II Attack of the Clones $310,676,740 (05/02)
20 Return of the Jedi $309,306,177 (05/83)
21 Independence Day $306,169,268 (07/96)
22 Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl $305,413,918 (07/03)
23 The Sixth Sense $293,506,292 (08/99)
24 The Chronicles of Narnia: $291,710,957 (12/05)
25 The Empire Strikes Back 20th $290,475,067 (05/80)

[Essex]

Spider-Man 2 ended up grossing less than the first installment, so it doesn't seem like interest is expanding with each release, like the X-Men films. Spider-Man 3 will likely produce a little more buzz than the second installment based only on its number of villains and the posibility that it may be the last one, but I don't see how it's possible that it could gross $100 million dollars more than the previous movie. I'm doubtful it would even edge out Spider-Man 1.

[The Symbiot]

That's where we disagree... I think Spiderman3 will get a huge return viewership, much like POTC II, but even more....third and some fourth returning viewers.

Plus, we only have two films, you can't determine if viewership is going down, based off two films. Than there is Venom....whether you like him or not, the public has been anticipating him for more than a year and is crunk with craze madness to see him.

[norrinraad]

Keeping in mind that Spider-Man is my favourite comic book character of all time and I'll be rooting for him 150%, even I have to conceed that he has a few major factors working against him in the third installment. For starters, he no longer has the novelty factor working in his favour. The only reason he did close to $100 million more in box office in summer '02 than Star Wars was because of the fact that Spider-Man was something 'new' that audiences had never seen before on the big screen. Also, Phantom Menace was universally panned upon its release so the luster was off the Star Wars franchise by the time Attack of the Clones was released. Star Wars was already on its fifth film by then and could not count on the 'newness' factor of having the franchise rebooted that Menace benefitted from. Add to that the fact that everyone and their grandmother knows who Spider-Man is, as opposed to X-Men who still belonged to the cult of 'toon watchers and comic book readers in '00, and you have the recipe for a smash hit. Universal praise from critics didn't hurt either. Now, look at Spider-Man 2, which Sony fully expected to join Titanic and Return of the King at the $1 billion mark internationally. The film fell far short of that, mainly because it was not preceived as "new" any longer, and because it had way more competition in summer '04 due to a character called Shrek.

Let's look forward to summer '07, shall we? Many industry analysts are desperately pointing to Pirates of the Caribbean as proof that box office receipts are not in decline, but there is a very valid reason for Pirates' success this summer. It has to do with competition. Nothing has been released since Pirates that could potentially give it a run for its money. Nothing. Its situation is similar to Spider-Man's in '02, where he basically had the summer to himself. We've already gone over the reasons why he beat Star Wars. Now, consider that in the 2005 and 2006 calendar years, only two movies broke the $300 million barrier in North America. Those films would be Star Wars and Pirates. Star Wars cleaned up last summer because, once again, there were no Spider-Mans or Shreks to challenge it, just like Pirates is doing this year. For a film to do $300 million or greater, it needs an extended period of competition-free running time, which Pirates is enjoying now. However, numbers don't lie, and people are simply not going to the movies like they did just a few short years ago. Let's look at next summer:

May 4: Spider-Man 3

May 18: Shrek The Third

May 25: Pirates At World's End

June 8: Ocean's 13

June 15: Fantastic Four 2

June 22: Evan Almighty

June 29: Die Hard 4

July 4: Transformers

July 13: Harry Potter Phoenix

July 27: The Simpsons Movie

August 3: The Bourne Ultimatum

August 10: Rush Hour 3

Yikes! Now, with box office receipts dwindling the way they have been, how Spider-Man is going to fend off competition like that is way beyond me to predict. He will own the first half of May, no doubt, but as history has shown us, Shrek is a formidable enemy. Shrek 2 did almost $70 million more domestically than Spider-Man 2 in '04, and this time we have to add Harry Potter and Johnny Depp to the mix as well. So, in terms of a long competition-free run, we can forget about that. Spidey's saving grace may very well be Venom, who fans have definitely been clamouring for. Will that be enough? We'll see...

In light of all this, I will be surprised is Spider-Man 3 even tops Spider-Man 2 in terms of box office next summer, never mind Spider-Man 1. The chances of the third installment becoming the second highest grossing film of all time are next to none, I'm afraid.

[easy D]

Well, I'm looking at the line-up next summer here.

Die Hard 4? Is that for real? Here I thought it was still under development.

Ocean's 13, Rush Hour 3 and Evan Almighty are kinda shaky. I'll doubt if they will be much of a challenge.

The Bourne Ultimatum is too adult.

The Simpsons Movie is kind of a wild card. Sure, Simpsons fans will rush to see it, but how long would it hold, due to the fact that a lot of them really don't like this past season.

But, I think Spider-Man 3's biggest challenge would be Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer, and Transformers, but by then, who knows if it will still be in many theaters?

But, I think the 1-2-combo of Shrek the Third and Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End would really prevent Spidey 3 from reaching Spider-Man 2's numbers.

Next summer looks to be a really exciting one. There are actual choices here.

[Pod]

Wow I never expected to see those sequels to happen...And another wow to how there is no amount of originality in Hollywood anymore.

[The Symbiot]

Norrinaad, you are partially right about the 'Novelty Factor', I just think Spidey beat out 'Clones', 1st because at the time, most people I've talked to, friends, friends of friends, people on campus, etc, felt that 'Menace' was surrounded by political intrigue and lacked action, and that carried over to 'Clones' when it came out; although many loved seeing the eight-year old pre-VADER. Plus SW has a cult following, much like the Trekkies; it is not as universally loved and well-known as Spiderman is(which is approx 15 years older). Now I can't explain what happen with SM2; other-than, it was a chick-flick with its love-drama, that those that watc Lifetime & WE channel and read Romance Novels would love; however, I thought the story itself and the action was better than the first. It just was not fresh, for the lack of a better word. Yet, what male adult and his impressionable young son would not like a burping, poot-sniffing, odorous, Olger like Shrek..... come on. :wink:

Now I agree with you on the 'No Competition Clause'. I certainly agree with EasilyDissolvedInWater(EDIN) about the real competition being POTCIII and Shrek3... and maybe FF2, because Spidey will be on its last leg by that time. Keep in mind however, these film will be competing with Spidey as well; it is not just a one-way street here. Spidey want just fall off the face of the earth because of these films. It will still generate, and I'm just throwing a figure out here, $30-40 million + when Shrek3 & POTCIII comes out. It may fall to second and/or third when the films come out, but it will still do quite well. Also Shrek3 & POTCIII will be competing against themselves; they may not have legs by the time FF2 comes out, and if the film turns out to be NOT GOOD, well word will spread quickly and cut the legs from them. Those other movies you listed will have NO BARING WHAT-SO-EVER.... EDIN and I are on total agreement on that.

Finally, much like SW:Sith, with the rise of Darth Vader, who is the focus point of the SW franchise.... many are going to go and see SM3, two and three times(repeat viewers) because of the rise of VENOM. That in itself, is a NOVELTY. :wink: People universally have been clamouring over seeing Venom on the big screen; and after this 18 months of secretcy and anticipation and now, another 9 months of excitement and anticipation to come, many are not going to go and see Spidey just once. They are going to want to see it again and again and again. IMO, this is what will sustain Spidey's legs through the Shrek & Pirates days that follow. Sandman the main villain, trying to sustain his family and little girl life, the rise and fall of Brock and the birth of Venom, Harry internal conflict(Spidey is not the only one, fans are missing this :shock: ) Peter and the Symbiot, Peter and MJ and Gwen and Betty and Ursula and etc. and finally the Mystery 4th Villain. If this story turn out to be a working genius and tie-in together like 'Batman Begins', it will have legs long pass a poopping cartoon and a dead druken pirate.

[easy D]

Well, I think that SM3, POTC 3, and Shrek 3 would go and one-up each other, since they are so close to each other, they would probably cancel each other out. And I think that the first two (SM3 and POTC 3 would have huge openings. But, like I said earlier, it's the movies that come out later this summer that would prove SM3's staying power. If it can stay in the top 3 once FF2 comes out, then it should be fine (Ocean's 13 would prove it).

[norrinraad]

Some interesting analysis there, Easy and Symbiot, and I hope you guys are right. Spider-Man 3 is going to do huge box office, there's no doubt about that. That point isn't even debateable. However, all I'm saying is he will be facing competition far tougher than he ever has before. He beat out Star Wars the first time around, but Shrek was too much for him in his second outing. Third time may be the charm, but this time he has to face off against both Shrek and Priates, two movies whose sequels have bettered his best box office effort, which was of course the first movie in 2002. Pirates 2 will pass the $405 million he did in 2002 this weekend, and Shrek 2 easily passed it in 2004. Will he be able to outgross Shrek 3 and Pirates 3 next year, with all three films opening within weeks of each other? It's highly unlikely, but then no one thought Passion of the Christ would do close to $400 million domestically either, and people would have laughed in your face had you told them Titanic would be the most successful film in history back in 1997. Stranger things have happened...

For the record, I never meant to imply that the films opening later next summer would have provided any serious competition to Spider-Man 3 under ordinary circumstances. However, next summer's lineup is anything but ordinary. The only way it could have been tighter is if the Narnia sequel had also been scheduled for the summer. Keep in mind that most of those films are sequels to relatively big hits (Bourne Ultimatum, Rush Hour 3, Fantastic Four 2, Ocean's 13) and films with built-in audiences (Transformers, The Simpsons Movie). Could any of those films realistically beat Spider-Man's box office? Of course not, but considering how Shrek and Pirates are going to exhaust him, those movies will provided a much greater degree of competition than Pirates had to face this summer. Compare those films to the ones released this summer in Pirates' wake. Little Man, You Me & Dupree, Lady in the Water, Miami Vice, Monster House, My Super Ex-Girlfriend. Pathetic. No wonder Pirates is cleaning up this year. There has not been a single film that could even be considered in the same class as Pirates. Unfortunately, Spider-Man is not going to have that luxury next summer. Even the second stringers in 2007 have more box office clout than anything released this summer, at least since Pirates hit the streets.

Anyway, I'll try and promote Spider-Man as much as I can next year, as I did this year with Superman, and I suggest everyone else does the same. Spider-Man is already one of the top grossing franchises in movie history, so it's not like he's gonna have the uphill battle on his hands than Superman had this summer.

Anyway, this is not a box office prediction thread we're in here. If someone wants to start one, be my guest. Otherwise, please stay on topic and discuss Spider-Man 3 plot points, which was the original purpose of this thread.

[The Symbiot]

:roll: WOW.... thank for KILLING a good discussion, because it deviated a little from topic, like most conversation. Give two good but long responds, than decide, hey, please stay on topic, when the discussion begin to take off. :? WOW.... being real picky for something that only a few people ever even read and reply to anyway. THANKS :?:

[B]

:roll:

Symbiot, Norrin is simply doing his job as a moderator and, y'know, moderating the discussion. And he's right, this HAS gone off topic. If you want to continue that line of discussion, then like he says, start a new topic. You clearly feel it's a topic deserving of further discussion, so why not give it a more appropriate arena? Just please don't take it personally that the man's doing his job, and for heaven's sake, please don't bitch at him for it.

[The Symbiot]

:roll:

Who in the hell taking this, of all things, a message board personal and bitching about :? .... what the hell? Seriously, I think you need to read my response again, it may be clearer, what I was trying to convey, the second time around. :wink:

[norrinraad]

:roll: WOW.... thank for KILLING a good discussion, because it deviated a little from topic, like most conversation. Give two good but long responds, than decide, hey, please stay on topic, when the discussion begin to take off. :? WOW.... being real picky for something that only a few people ever even read and reply to anyway. THANKS :?:

Hey Symbiot, the last thing on my mind here was to try and kill the discussion we had going on. You're right, I did contribute to it, because I didn't want to swoop in here with a "stay on topic or take it elsewhere" post because I don't believe that is condusive to a healthy discussion. Looking at Spider-Man 3 and the film's box office potential is a very interesting and relevant topic, and props to you for starting it. However, this topic is on its 11th page now, so why bury it here? Why not start a fresh topic which will encourage other members to join in?

I wasn't trying to be offensive Symbiot. By all means continue your conversation, but do it in a more appropriate topic. These boards have been a little slow of late, so the last thing I would want to do is try and stifle anyone's creativity. Go nuts, just do it in the appropriate thread. That is all.

B, thanks for clarifying this for Symbiot in my absence. Easy D, thanks for starting the new topic.

[The Symbiot]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5-WSrFEV9I

Is this part of the plot of Venom stalking Peter? 8)

[Pod]

A lot of this new mini clips on Youtube keep showing up...

I'm going to have to wait until we get a venom in a Spider-man 3 full length trailer.

[The Symbiot]

WOW! :shock: Do anyone really believe the IGN Synopsis, that maybe Harry's company Oscorps, may be indirectly responsible for creating Sandman and Venom? I thought Venom's origin was obvious with the Spidey Day Celebration thing.... now Sandman's origin, that fuels the question.

[The Symbiot]

This sound interesting....


In this month's Empire movie magazine, there was a well written article with a few interesting tidbits, including the following...


Nov '06 p. 78

"Just in case you're wondering, Venom is actually a symbiotic alien, brought back to Earth by astronaut John Jameson (son of Daily Bugle proprietor J. Jonah Jameson, last seen in Spider-Man 2), which latches onto Parker, bonding with him and becoming his new costume. After the living suit - which no-one knows is alive - tries to possess Parker, and is then rejected, it foists itself instead onto the emotionally fragile Brock, becoming a force to be reckoned with, a creature with all of Spider-Man's powers and none of his moral strictures."

Raimi quote: "I really like him now. They really filled out Eddie Brock into a very meaningful character. Yes, Venom is an alien life force, but the humanity really comes through in Topher's performance. Tobey has a great energy with him in their few scenes together."

And Venom was called by Raimi the "wild goof from outer space".

These were all directly quoted from the article and I would appreciate it if someone out there is able to check it out as well and lend some credibility.
I am just personally glad that they decided to go with the alien origin and not make up some crazy new idea that would disgrace the source material. When I heard that this movie would be more of a departure from the comic books than any of the previous chapters in the saga for added realism, I was dreading that a new origin would be in store for the character. Good to know...

The article also gave details about some of the special effects work and the amount of CGI that was going into the characters and some other details that were nice to learn. I would highly recommend the article to anyone who cares.

[The Symbiot]

Hey... give this a listen. A nice little clip by Efman for Eddie Brock's transformation into VENOM!

Go to center of page to the <flashing red arrow>

http://www.sendspace.com/file/5v118w

[The Symbiot]

Here is two competing MAJOR SPOILERS I found today. One come from a site called Filmick.com. The challenging plot was posted right afterwards. Not sure where it's from. Their both are interesting; however, I find the second one to be more plausible. I'm not sure how true either one is; but, it is interesting and thought I would post it anyway. Heads-up it is a Spoiler.... so be aware.


Can anybody who knows the Spider-Man comics well enough tell me if this ties in with the printed version of events: I've been told that, in the new movie, Gwen Stacey and Eddie Brock have dated. As far as I can tell, they don't date during the film, the idea is that they have already dated - but is that official continuity?

Indeed, I've been given lots of info about those two characters, how they are treated and what they do in Spider-Man 3. I had another pile of spoilers for you a few days ago, but Aint it Cool beat me to it with almost every detail, but anything I've got left over after their piece, I'll pop in this post.

We'll talk about Ms. Stacey, first of all. Gwen is called upon to introduce Spidey at a the big Spider-Man Day jamboree - we saw stills from this last year, with the kids in costume and all of the balloons and so on, and there's a pretty good look at it to be had in some of the trailers out there now. Gwen actually happens to be Peter's science study partner at this time, but she certainly doesn't know who Spider-Man really is behind the mask: she appears to get the gig of introducing him simply because her dad is Chief of Police. Some girls get all the luck.

One of the most important events in the whole movie happens in this scene: showing off a little, Spidey hangs upside down and actually reprises his famous topsy-turvy kissing technique from the first film, this time with Gwen. I guess this is a Superhero version of all of those popstars pretending to be single so that they don't alienate their fanbase, or those huge Hollywood superstars fibbing about their sexual orientation because while Peter would have to admit that Gwen is very attractive, he is (at this point at least) planning to ask Mary Jane to marry him.

It's when Peter is trying to propose to MJ that Gwen next resurfaces, interrupting his patented geekiness-come-romantic flow. She asks if he has a picture of her kiss with Spider-Man, and frankly, this goes down like a lead balloon with Ms. Watson.

Skip forward in the movie some way, past a lot of black suit shenanigans. Peter and Gwen decide to come by MJ's singing gig - but this is after the symbiote has taken a hold of our hero, so you better be prepared for things to not go well. Peter's all over Gwen, for one thing, and then he upstages Mary Jane - what a braggard! - and then Gwen rushes off in a terrible huff. Love triangles, eh? Who'd have one?

Having two women to save certainly doesn't make Spider-Man's life any easier. In the final battle, Venom and Sandman have both Gwen and Mary Jane, and they're both at extreme risk of a nasty fall. Now, I can't get any confirmation that MJ dies, but I do have a few voices telling me that she lives. What I can say, very confidently, is that Gwen Stacey walks away intact. (Going back to my original source, I was told again that Harry and Aunt May are the only lead character deaths in the film).

After Ms. Stacey is dropped from very, very high building it looks like we're on for the classic death of Gwen scene, and to a point it plays out in an incredibly similar fashion. Look at the panels of the comic book for a clue to some of the shots, in fact - but don't expect that controversial 'Snap' sound effect to make too loud an appearance because this time, her neck doesn't break. Hurrah?

After Gwen is saved here, she tries to kiss Spider-Man again, but Peter's having none of it this time, letting her down gently (pun intended) and swinging off to save the day. Here ends Gwen's arc, really.

So, how about Mr. Brock? What does he get up to?

Well, he's a pretty new recruit to the Daily Bugle's freelance line-up, in this version of events. A decent staff position is coming up and Peter and Eddie appear to be the competing leads for the role. Peter's advantages (he knows where Spider-Man will be, of course, and can even pose for his own pictures) and disadvantages (he won't slur Spider-Man just to climb the greasy pole and he sometimes has to go webslinging instead of shutterbugging) are pretty well established from the earlier films, while Eddie's established here as something of a cheat. He's seen trying to get the upperhand by doctoring pictures and he generally acts like an all-round naughty paparazzo badboy.

After the scene in the belltower (use the tags below to trawl film ick's historyof spoilers) and Brock has been splashed with symbiotic splooge, it's Venom we're really dealing with here. He only makes his grand appearance towards the end of the film, after Brock has tracked down Marko and they've formed a Terrible Two (where the other four are, I don't know) in order to make Spider-Man's life misery and, presumably, corner him and kill him. This is when Gwen gets kidnapped (a Brock spurned, and so on) and pretty soon we're into the big smack down.

After Peter has made a lot of clanging noises on the girders at the building site - see my previous post on the final battle royal for more on that - the symbiote suit slinks off of Eddie and makes an attempt to re-symbiotise (ahem) with Peter. Now, I've been told by one reliable source that Brock buys the farm at this point, and another reliable source that he's alive, just a bit bruised, and that he's headed to the clink instead of the grave. I guess I just don't know - and perhaps, just perhaps, nobody does yet with both endings scripted, storyboarded or maybe even shot to give Raimi and crew some options?

All the same, the originator of my new info consolidates my previous findings: Mary Jane Watson does not die, and neither does Gwen Stacey. They're really mixing things up on us here.

The second plot is here.

Sorry to be the one to inform you of the error in the author’s logic, but to put it politely, this is BS. The events does not remotely take place to anything similar to what that article is saying.


**Spoiler Warning **



First, there is no “Love Triangle” between Peter, MJ, and Gwen. It is more of a “Love Triangle” between Peter, MJ, and Harry. Gwen is only infatuated we Spiderman, and use her prowess flirtatious ability towards Peter in hopes to meet and get close to Spiderman. There is no upside/down kiss with Gwen. No one knows that happened except for the two involved. Peter is a lot more confident towards the ladies, but never once does he necessarily flirts with them… Gwen, Betty, Ursula, and the pretty & party girls. He is just a little more suave with the ladies because of the influences of the Alien Symbiote. Problems develop between Peter and Harry over MJ because of her insecurities with Peter, coupled with Harry’s own sense of loneliness and secretly longing for her.


Second, Harry does not die. He is seriously hurt and lie unconscious. The only deaths in this film is the death of Aunt May and Sandman’s daughter.

Let me explain. The story follows the iniquities(anger, hatred, and revenge) of three men, Peter, Harry, and Eddie. This is what everyone is missing in the tagline, “How long can a man face the darkness within”. That tagline really applies to all three men and not just Peter. All three men own iniquities are thrust to the forefront because of the loss or near loss of father figures that they conveniently blame someone else for. Which of course is the lesson that Peter learns, that his own selfishness and iniquity led to the events of Uncle Ben death. He will finally get over it.


Of course in Peter’s case, his anger and hatred is geared towards Flint Marko aka Sandman, for he thinks is the death of his father figure, Uncle Ben; in which he place blame and seek revenge against. Harry face a similar path; but of course, his anger & hatred is directed at Peter for the death of Norman Osborn; which really more involved jealousy, because he thinks his father’s love was stolen by Peter, as well as MJ‘s love.


Eddie and Gwen was once involved in a relationship dating back to the first film when Eddie was first hired by the Bugle(Eddie been on it for weeks). Eddie is rather close to Gwen parents and looks to George as a father figure. Gwen terminates her relationship with Eddie, because she feels his ambitions is getting in the way of their relationship; so he is trying to win her back throughout the film. Capt. Stacy is accidentally and seriously hurt by Sandman; but ironically, Eddie blames Spiderman for his injuries. Eddie is already blaming Peter for what he thinks is Gwen’s infatuation with him, for exposing Eddie doctoring photos of Spiderman, loss of his career, and being label a fraud by all the press in New York City. Characteristically, this the reason he end up in church asking God “to kill Peter Parker”. Once he is possessed by the Alien Symbiote and learns that Peter Parker is actually Spiderman, his anger and hatred begin to quickly manifests into the beast Venom.


Harry is indirectly responsible for the death of Aunt May, which is the reason why Peter goes over Harry’s house and kicks his arse and why later, Peter is still has a difficult time asking Harry for help, after the kidnapping of MJ, by Venom. Harry does feels bad about Aunt Mays death. However while pleading to Peter that it was accidental, in a sudden revelation, he realizes now that Peter was telling him the truth about Norman’s death and agrees to help save MJ. Harry’s recognition that it is not in Peter’s nature intentionally to harm anyone, begin his own healing from his father’s insatiable visions.


Here is a little nugget of a piece of the battle at the end. Harry throws a Sonic Pumpkin Bomb at Venom, in which Venom catches and throw back at Harry. Spiderman in an attempt to save Harry, webs the bomb and toss it away from innocent bystanders. Incidentally, it lands and explodes right where Flint’s daughter come running up calling for her father. Sandman goes after Spiderman with a huge sand mallet, bigger than before. Just as he is about to kill Spiderman, Harry pushes Spiderman away, and take the brute force of it and is knocked completely unconscious.


I’m not going to get into the remaining details of the final battle or surprising cliffhangers at the end. Take it for what it’s worth.

You can find both here. Post #1 & #60 http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=263650