2:23/24 - Live together, die alone

[Queen Mae]

From ABC:

SEASON FINALE

"Live Together, Die Alone" - After discovering something odd just offshore, Jack and Sayid come up with a plan to confront "The Others" and hopefully get Walt back. Meanwhile, Eko and Locke come to blows as Locke makes a potentially cataclysmic decision regarding the "button" and the hatch, on the season finale of "Lost," WEDNESDAY, MAY 24 (9:00-11:00 p.m., ET), on the ABC Television Network.

"Lost" stars Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje as Mr. Eko, Naveen Andrews as Sayid, Emilie de Ravin as Claire, Matthew Fox as Jack, Jorge Garcia as Hurley, Josh Holloway as Sawyer, Daniel Dae Kim as Jin, Yunjin Kim as Sun, Evangeline Lilly as Kate, Dominic Monaghan as Charlie, Terry O'Quinn as Locke, Harold Perrineau as Michael, Michelle Rodriguez as Ana Lucia and Cynthia Watros as Libby.

[alaristhered]

...for the season finale, from Cinescape:

The TV show Lost is set to go out with a huge bang with this seasons finale. J.J. Abrams was caught saying that "The ending of this year in Lost blows the ending of last season out of the water."
He continued saying, "It's an incredible finale. You'll see what happens, but I can tell you that a lot of it has been there and been building from the beginning of this season. It's not out of the blue, but what happens at the very end of this year, for me, it's the greatest finale I have ever heard."

Now on to the mini spoiler:

Michelle Rodriguez, who played the deceased Ana Lucia, believes that Claire and Jack are ... related?

Rodriguez said, ""I believe Claire and Jack are siblings. But that's all left up in the air."

It would make sense as part of the cliffhanger for the following season, as well as explain the reasoning behind the woman and daughter that Jack's father was visiting in Australia.

[southpaw]

There are quite a few spoilers in the Entertainment Weekly that came out last week. If the things they say are true alot will happen in those two hours.

[Queen Mae]

If next week's episode is a Desmond flashback, then I'm guess he's one on the boat. Maybe he tried to escape the island via the boat but it "wouldn't let him," for lack of a better phrase.

[Tricksterson]

Season finale spoilers I've heard:

It's a Desmondcentric episode.
It's his boat and he got it from Libby whose last name is Widmore.

Was it me or did the previews show Locke bringing an axe down on the computer?

[fastcar]

Looks like it.

[Queen Mae]

If Libby is a Widmore than she's also involved in the island mystery; but was she aware of this? She may have been a pawn just like the rest of the Losties. Although, if she wasn't, if she was aware of everything going on, I wonder if the Others are going to try to avenge her death.

[alaristhered]

I doubt that the writers would have made Libby a Whidmore and then killed her off without any kind of big story line for her. However, if the Others find out that Michael shot and killed her, and are pissed off about it, that WOULD make things take an interesting turn.

[KingVoyeur]

WTF?!?!?!?!?!?

Just an instant gut reaction, more thoughtful comments later...

[Mobile Vulgus]

One thing is sure, they wasted another hour with a "catch up" episode before the finale!

I'm getting sick and TIED of those!

[Mobile Vulgus]

OK, I just finished watching it.

"Big ending".... "blows away last season"..."season finale"?????

Seemed like just another episode to me.

Nothing cleared up

nothing revealed

not a stich closer to the "real" story.


I'm begining to think I was right. There IS no story. They are making it up as they go along. I am losing patience.

How much you wanna bet that this is just like that show "John Doe" from a couple years ago. Gets cancelled and we NEVER get an ending or even a HINT of what was supposed to be going on.

[fastcar]

No chance.....John Doe didn't have the following that LOST has.


My stupid mind was thinking, "Too bad Charlie wasn't in the boat with Sayid and Jin passing by that foot. He would have said, 'That foot looks like something from Fellowship.'"

So, I was wrong, it was an experiment, just backwards. So is Desmond dead? There's been talk that he was going to join the cast next season.

Is Liddy really Libby or is Liddy short for Penelope? Seems odd, but Peggy is short for Margaret in some places.




If a freaking system failure can suck a damn plane out of the sky at 10,000 feet, why can't it suck guns out of the hands of the Others so that our heroes can escape?

[Strider]

I'm begining to think I was right. There IS no story. They are making it up as they go along. I am losing patience.

No story? I must be watching a different show than you are, because I've been witnessing something that definitely has a story to tell and has been doing a great job in telling it. I just think some people aren't used to mysteries on television and want things all summed up for them in a nice neat little package.

Trying to figure out what is going on is part of the fun. :D

I have thoroughly enjoyed this season, and the last several episodes (including this finale) have been some of the best Lost yet. I look forward to another great season next year.

[Jakester]

I think Libby's short for Elizabeth. Ya know, since the boat is named that, and David named it after Libby....but that's just a guess.

Good call on the system failure. And I find it difficult to believe that these passengers' lives are so intertwined that the plane crash was completely coincidental. I mean, just the fact that they were all on the plane together...couple with the extremely bizarre "coincidence" that Libby was on a plane that crashed on the same "impossible to find" island that her boat did?! And that she's on a plane with one of her asylum mates who won the lottery with "the numbers"? Nope, it's a cop out to prep all that and then say it was a coincidence. There were *too many* coincidences for any one of them to be a coincidence.

[kah]

Was anyone else creeped out when Kelvin first talked to Desmond and asked him "Are you him? What did one snowman say to another?" Especially since Locke had just said that to Desmond on the beach. Another coincidence?

Ok- if Desmond is dead, that is the saddest thing yet, because it looked like Penny was using her money to find him again, and the magnetic signal was supposed to lead her to him. She was probably following his progress on his round the world race, and lost him in the general area with the island, but something keeps her from actually finding the island, and the only clue she's had was the magnetic force on September 22nd, so she put those guys out there to wait for the signal to come again.

Wow- I was expecting something like the pile of canisters, but I wasn't expecting the button to be real. Obviously we all saw the power of the magnet on that wall, but who really believed that the button did anything?

Now, if my timeline is right, then Desmond killed Kelvin the same day that the plane crashed. So he was only alone down there for a month? A month and a half?? Ok- yes, that is a long time to only be pushing a button every 108 minutes, but I had gotten the impression he was down there alone for a very long time. How did Kelvin get him to stay inside for 3 years? Never once going out? And it really took Kelvin 3 years to fix Desmond's sailboat?

So if the button is real... is the quarantine as well?

Henry Gale- that son of a bitch. So he's the leader. Imagine that.

I still don't understand what the Others want with Sawyer or Kate. Jack's the doctor, and he allowed the torture of Gale, sort of... but what did Kate or Sawyer do? It makes sense now that they wanted Hurley only to let him go, because they knew he wouldn't fight them, and that he was a gentle man who would follow their orders.

Michael... I don't think he's going to get what he thought he wanted. Walt was looking kind of creepy once his dad got on that boat. That might just be because I don't like him, though.

Libby, hmmm. Maybe Libby was a mental patient a while ago- Hurley has been out of the hospital for awhile, right? And when she got out, she decided to become a psychologist. Makes perfect sense. You have people who get out of jail and want to become lawyers or cops. Why not a mental patient becoming the doctor? Or maybe she was a doctor before that, and the death of her husband, combined with the lost at sea of Desmond with her husband's boat, put her in the psych ward.

I don't really have much else to say right now, except that I hope Locke and Ecko are not dead. And that Desmond somehow survived because he was underground, or something, and that Penny will find him.

[Intelligent_Design]

I bet Libby was being setup (before they killed her ) as one of those Insane women that married men for their money then killed them. Thats why her hair style and names change so much. She could have recognized Hugo as the lottery winner thats why she took her shirt off in front of him. This was an ok finale I think the Foot statue is where the biological experiment hatch maybe. Or was that Zoological I can’t remember.

[kah]

I bet Libby was being setup (before they killed her ) as one of those Insane women that married men for their money then killed them. Thats why her hair style and names change so much. She could have recognized Hugo as the lottery winner thats why she took her shirt off in front of him. This was an ok finale I think the Foot statue is where the biological experiment hatch maybe. Or was that Zoological I can’t remember.

Maybe that's where the Simpsons live. Bart is a god there. I forgot about that for a minute. WTF is up with the 4 toed foot? Just about anything else on the island could be explained somehow, but I just can't think of one good reason for one foot of a statue to be on the island and for it to have 4 toes. It was like a creepy cartoon soldier foot, like something we would've seen in a Lord of the Rings cartoon.

[kah]

I bet Libby was being setup (before they killed her ) as one of those Insane women that married men for their money then killed them. Thats why her hair style and names change so much. She could have recognized Hugo as the lottery winner thats why she took her shirt off in front of him. This was an ok finale I think the Foot statue is where the biological experiment hatch maybe. Or was that Zoological I can’t remember.

And besides, every woman changes her hair multiple times over a span of years. I usually grow mine out for about 2, till I can't take it anymore, then I cut off about a foot and a half, and give it to the cancer kids. Meanwhile, I've had about 14 different hair colors, and that's just over a couple of years. I don't think her hair has anything to do with anything.

She could have been lying about being a psychologist, though, to make everyone there think she was ok, when she really wasn't. I never really saw her do anything that could be called crazy, or unstable, though. And maybe she likes fat guys? Maybe her husband was a fat guy? Anyone who says that Libby was too good for Hurley is thinking way too superficially. Hurley is a kind, loving, giving man who's been damaged by suffering ever since he used those numbers. Libby probably just saw someone who was hurting and wanted to comfort him, and take comfort from him as well.

[kah]

Oh, and wasn't Kelvin the guy who turned Sayid into a torturer?

[fastcar]

A: All of those with access to the episodes with the shots of the Others' feet, check the number of toes. Just curious.

B: The quarantine can't be real....or can't still be going on, because Kelvin used it to go sneaking off from Desmond. He obviously didn't care that there was tear in the suit, since as soon as he got outside, he took off the mask. His original intention was to dupe Desmond into pushing the button so he could leave. Puts on the show, makes him(Desmond) think he can't go outside.


C: What was the symbol on the boxes in Widmore's car when he showed Desmond the letters?

[fastcar]

Oh, and wasn't Kelvin the guy who turned Sayid into a torturer?


Same actor but his name was Joe Inman.......hmmm

[kah]

Same actor but his name was Joe Inman.......hmmm

He said he was a spook for 10(?) years. Spooks use aliases.

[Queen Mae]

Right, and his name on the island was Kelvin Inman, so the only name change is the first name.

As far as the snowman stuff goes, in the season premiere Desmond asks Locke if he is "him" and says "What does one snowman say to the other?" It's a code and whoever has the answer is the person that's supposed to relieve the button pusher from his duties.

There are some things in this finale that I didn't like, but it did confirm most of my suspicions. The island is a giant magnet and the magnet brought down the plane. Still, the suggestion that the plane crash was a coincidence doesn't ring true. I thought one of the points of this show was that this specific group of people survived this unsurvivable plane crash for a purpose. The writers are going to have to find a way to make Desmond randomly crashing the plane and the connected pasts of the Losties work together.

[neglet]

Am I correct in remembering that the "quarantine" lettering was on the outside of the hatch? If so, it could have been to warn away the people in the Pearl hatch, or to somehow keep up the illusion that they were the observers, not the observees. It does seem that "the Pearl" hatch is the one with the true experiment (as Desmond suggested), for why else would their pneumatic tube go nowhere?

So if the Swan hatch is the real thing, does that mean that the other hatches are really what they say they are--for zoological, biological, medical? If they are real, what's up with the Others being so hard-ass on keeping people away? We still don't know why they took the children, or how Walt's potential psychic abilities caused a problem.

I expected Walt and Michael's boat to explode shortly after they left. If the Others are the "good guys," and they're experimenting with people's psyches, wouldn't there be some punishment for Michael's evil actions?

I guess I'm still pretty "Lost" when it comes to figuring stuff out this show. :D But I hope that at least one of the group of Desmond, Locke, and Eko survives into next season.

[Strider]

Nope, the "quarantine" lettering is on the inside of the hatch. If it had been on the outside, Locke would have been able to see it as soon as he discovered the hatch.

[southpaw]

I was just glad to FINALLY be right about something on this show...."Henry" being one of, if not THE leader of the Others.

[Strider]

Yeah, I think they would have been missing something if they didn't take advantage of his creepiness. He's just fun to watch because you have no idea what he'll do to creep you out next. :D

[Cooper]

Like the release of the electro-magnetic energy, this episode was big, bright and noisy but in the end, really did nothing. The ending had no punch. There was nothing to match the eerie moment of "I'm afraid we're gonna have to take the boy." from Season 1's cliffhanger.

Once again, the show suffered from not having people communicate like normal people would. Why wouldn't Desmond say to Locke, RIGHT from the START, "You know, the one time I almost missed pushing the button some real bad stuff went down, brother." Why wouldn't Jack say to Sayid, "Wow, that's a really crappy plan. No wonder you guys lost the Gulf War." The only thing I can hope for is we have not yet seen the full scope of Jack and Sayid's plan. That would explain Jack and Kate's knowing looks to each other before the hoods were put on their heads.

The ending in the Artic with the rich woman looking for the love of her life made LOST seem like a typical tv show. If we start looking at life off of the island then I fear the show will lose it's uniqueness. It will seem like an season of Alias.

Eh, I was just a little let down by it all. And I have no problem with Desmond bringing down the plane. The whole show is about coincidences. Coincidences that have meaning. No one brought these people together or made sure they survived the crash. It's all fate. That's the mystery of the show..and one that doesn't necessarily have to be solved.

[Mobile Vulgus]

The whole show is about coincidences. Coincidences that have meaning

So far, after this many seasons, we have gotten NO "meaning" from ANYTHING.

We have no idea what the island is. We have no idea where the island is. We have no idea what/who the others are. We have no idea why all the lives of the cast intersected. We have no idea what the "creatures" is. We have no idea what is with Walt. We have no idea...

Well, we JUST HAVE NO IDEA!

Getting tiresome.

[Adam54]

And if you don't have the patience, quit watching.
Simple, no?

[Tricksterson]

I guess I am still a big Lost fan... This episode was not a big cliffhanger though. :)

Yes, you're right. Other than not knowing if Eko, Locke and Desmond survived, what the Others are going to do to Kate, Jack and Sawyer, if Walt and Michael will make it out, why Charlie was so mysterious about what happened at the hatch or what the deal is with that freakin' statue, not one bit of suspense.:lol: