The Spidey 3 Villains - revisted

[Kaeos]

<I posted this on the old board just before I found out that pretty much no one could post.:eyes: >


Alright so anyway we now know for sure that Haden Church is Sandman (whoopty doo)
http://spiderman.sonypictures.com/bugle/press_releases/images/img_tchurch.jpg

And we know that Topher Grace is to be Venom...or do we?

I found it interesting earching around today that EVERYONE except Sony is touting Grace to be Venom. And I am not just talking about CHUD or your garden variety paranoid bloggers. I was surprised to find that even imdb.com is listing him in the role.

imdb.com/spiderman3 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0413300/)
and
imdb.com/tophergrace (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0333410/)

What gives? And for that matter, can anyone (samuraijack) find some behind the scenes info on how they are going to pull the character off? CGI? really BIG costume? Are there any leaks on the pre-production?

[DeathScythe]

The problem with IMDB is they'll post anything anyone says when it comes to unreleased casting. example, look up Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children and they have Boy George listed as playing Reno. I'd try to take IMDB with a grain of salt until you hear actual confirmation from Sony.

and if it does happen to be Venom, I would go as far as say the suit should be CG. CG Characters have come a long long way (Gollum, Kong, and god forbid, Jar Jar) and it's really the only way you could have Venom's face look realistic and still keep the aspects of it that are famous (Large teeth, tongue). Personally, that's my choice.

[Rael]

I am a little confused about Sandman. I know there is a DC character named Sandman, but who is the Marvel one?

[DeathScythe]

Thanks to Wikipedia.org (http://www.wikipedia.org) for this!

The Sandman (William Baker, alias Flint Marko) is a comic book supervillian in the Marvel Comics universe, and an enemy of Spider-Man. He was created by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko, and first appeared in Amazing Spider-Man #4 (1963).

The Sandman has the ability to transform into a malleable sand-like substance which can be hardened, dispersed, or shaped according to his will. He possesses vast superhuman strength several times in excess of Spider-Man's, making him an equal to The Thing (85-Ton Level). This ability came from an incident of accidental radiation bombardment on an atomic bomb testing beach, the result of which was that Marko's molecules merged with that of the sand under him.

In addition to his many crime sprees, Sandman has served as a founding member of the Frightful Four which often tangled with the Fantastic Four, and of the Sinister Six which frequently battled Spider-Man and the Hulk.

At one point, after a humiliating experience of temporarily becoming a monster after he merged with Hydro-Man, he reformed, thanks in part to the support of the Thing, and became a member of the Avengers, and later a mercenary in the employ of Silver Sable. He later reverted to his villainous ways, claiming to have been faking his heroic career, although it was revealed that the Wizard had used his mind-controlling "Id Machine" to force him to act as a villain.

Later, Sandman joined an incarnation of the Sinister Six, working with Venom. It was in this incarnation that Venom bit the Sandman, poisoning him, making his body crumble. He blamed Spider-Man in the beginning but he then asked him to deliver a message to his mother. The Sandman crumbled to pieces and seemingly died, dispersing down a sewer drain.

However, Marko was in actuality not dead. His sandy remains eventually became spread out over Jones Beach, New York, with his mind and personality scattered. The beach Sandman had now merged with and taken control over began to mindlessly swallow up people into the sand, in an unconscious attempt to slowly piece himself back together. Spider-Man tried to free the captured people from the Sandman's consciousness, only succeeding when Marko exploded from containing too many clashing mindsets. Relatively soon afterward, the sand that Sandman's body was composed of spread to different areas around New York, and all of the different aspects and personalities of Sandman's shattered mind formed into their own individual beings - Marko's good side, evil side, feminine side and childlike, infant side were all separated to different parts of the city. After they were all finally merged back together into one again, the standard evil side of his personality once again became the dominant one, and the criminal named the Sandman is once again at large.

[Rael]

Thanks to Wikipedia.org (http://www.wikipedia.org) for this!

The Sandman (William Baker, alias Flint Marko) is a comic book supervillian in the Marvel Comics universe, and an enemy of Spider-Man. He was created by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko, and first appeared in Amazing Spider-Man #4 (1963).

The Sandman has the ability to transform into a malleable sand-like substance which can be hardened, dispersed, or shaped according to his will. He possesses vast superhuman strength several times in excess of Spider-Man's, making him an equal to The Thing (85-Ton Level). This ability came from an incident of accidental radiation bombardment on an atomic bomb testing beach, the result of which was that Marko's molecules merged with that of the sand under him.

In addition to his many crime sprees, Sandman has served as a founding member of the Frightful Four which often tangled with the Fantastic Four, and of the Sinister Six which frequently battled Spider-Man and the Hulk.

At one point, after a humiliating experience of temporarily becoming a monster after he merged with Hydro-Man, he reformed, thanks in part to the support of the Thing, and became a member of the Avengers, and later a mercenary in the employ of Silver Sable. He later reverted to his villainous ways, claiming to have been faking his heroic career, although it was revealed that the Wizard had used his mind-controlling "Id Machine" to force him to act as a villain.

Later, Sandman joined an incarnation of the Sinister Six, working with Venom. It was in this incarnation that Venom bit the Sandman, poisoning him, making his body crumble. He blamed Spider-Man in the beginning but he then asked him to deliver a message to his mother. The Sandman crumbled to pieces and seemingly died, dispersing down a sewer drain.

However, Marko was in actuality not dead. His sandy remains eventually became spread out over Jones Beach, New York, with his mind and personality scattered. The beach Sandman had now merged with and taken control over began to mindlessly swallow up people into the sand, in an unconscious attempt to slowly piece himself back together. Spider-Man tried to free the captured people from the Sandman's consciousness, only succeeding when Marko exploded from containing too many clashing mindsets. Relatively soon afterward, the sand that Sandman's body was composed of spread to different areas around New York, and all of the different aspects and personalities of Sandman's shattered mind formed into their own individual beings - Marko's good side, evil side, feminine side and childlike, infant side were all separated to different parts of the city. After they were all finally merged back together into one again, the standard evil side of his personality once again became the dominant one, and the criminal named the Sandman is once again at large.

Wow, thanks. When you ask who a character is, you don't get no half-assed descriptiom.

[DaForce]

Big, huge, possible spoiler for what Harry's role in Spidey 3 is going to be. If you're ready, take a look at the SPOILER below...



Amazing Spiderman 3 Spoilers! James Franco Friend or Foe?

Author: Robert Sanchez
Spiderman (http://iesb.net/sony2006/020106.php#) 3 plot points have been kept well under wraps. Kirsten Dunst (http://iesb.net/sony2006/020106.php#) spilling the beans about which villains would appear at the Elizabethtown junket is perhaps the most concrete information we have.

Recently, a post regarding a website run by Matthew Mungle was brought under scrutiny. It reads - Designed and created the make-up concept and appliances for James Franco (http://iesb.net/sony2006/020106.php#) in "Spiderman 3" to be applied by Luisa Abel.
This together with Harry finding his father's Green Goblin lair at the end of Spiderman 2 (http://iesb.net/sony2006/020106.php#) begs the question, will Harry be the third villain, perhaps the Hobgoblin in Spidey 3?
You can always count on the IESB to go digging for answers and something has come up. First let's take the history of Harry Osborn. Here is a brief rundown of his life after his father Norman died:
Not much was seen of the second Green Goblin but has been both a foe and ally of Spider-Man (http://iesb.net/sony2006/020106.php#) over the years as well as an ally of the Molten Man and others...Harry went on to have a son, Normy, named after his father with his wife Liz Allen Osborn. A memorable battle Occurred in Amazing Spider-Man #312 where he went head to head with the goblin-like Hobgoblin.
In Spectacular Spider-Man #200 Harry died from a new Goblin formula being too toxic and destroyed him from within, but right before he died, Harry went back into an exploding building & saved (http://iesb.net/sony2006/020106.php#) Peter...When asked why he did it, Harry's last words were "You're my best friend".
So again, where does this leave Harry in Spiderman 3 the Hollywood movie (http://iesb.net/sony2006/020106.php#) version?

Here's what we have been sent, mind you, this a VERY reliable source, no grain of salt needed: (CAUTION Spoilers ahead)Rob, all the assumptions that Harry Osborn is the third villain the Hobgoblin are all wrong. Spiderman finds himself out numbered in this one. When everything seems to be at its worst for our hero, he finds himself an unlikely ally, Harry Osborn. Peter Parker's best friend will come to his aide.

Okay so let's look at this. Harry will come to Spidey's rescue? Did he finally realize his father was a kook? Apparently so. Here's more...We will see Harry battling his inner demons to make the choice between his father's legacy and his best friend. I will fill you in more later but gotta go, crew call in 10 minutes, Sam doesn't like it when anyones late! Holla, Peace

Hey, but wait, according to the Matthew Mungle website James Franco will have make-up and appliances put on. So will be see Harry as Green Goblin II, Spidey's ally? I guess that remains to be seen!!


See it here:

http://iesb.net/sony2006/020106.php

[Kaeos]

Big, huge, possible spoiler for what Harry's role...

Okay, sure Harry. Right

Any news on Venom? Doesn't someone have info on Topher?

[Romy]

It doesn't matter who is in this movie. It is Spider-Man.
Why can't you just wait to see it and be surprised?
:romy:

[The Sym]

It doesn't matter who is in this movie. It is Spider-Man.
Why can't you just wait to see it and be surprised?
:romy:

There is always a need to know:wink:

[Kaeos]

There is always a need to know:wink:

Pay no heed, faithful Spidey Fan, that post was just one of our resident psychiatric patients having fun with a sock puppet from 19th Centruy Cinescape lore.....

[The Sym]

Do IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0413300/) changing its casting of Daniel Gillies from JJJr. to JJJr./Man-Wolf mean anything... especially since they still have not changed Topher Grace casting from Eddie Brock to Eddie Brock/Venom.

[DeathScythe]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Never ever trust IMDB with casting until it's all official. (The apparent casting of Boy George as Reno in Final Fantasy 7: Advent Children comes to mind again)

My speculation on the matter? JJJ Jr. recently returned to his Man-Wolf form in a monthly Spider-Man title so they probably decided to add it to his name on the movie listing. Same thing happened with X-2. After Origin came out, Hugh Jackman's listing was changed to "James Howlett/Logan/Wolverine" even though, at no point in the movie they made mention of his real name being James Howlett. That's just the way IMDB is.


So don't hold your breath waiting to see Man Wolf on the big screen next year.

[The Sym]

Maybe..... I'm just glad we are part of the same brute squad :hugs: ..... and I'm not really brutal.... I'm just a 105lbs..... come on. :)

[The Sym]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Never ever trust IMDB with casting until it's all official. (The apparent casting of Boy George as Reno in Final Fantasy 7: Advent Children comes to mind again)

My speculation on the matter? JJJ Jr. recently returned to his Man-Wolf form in a monthly Spider-Man title so they probably decided to add it to his name on the movie listing. Same thing happened with X-2. After Origin came out, Hugh Jackman's listing was changed to "James Howlett/Logan/Wolverine" even though, at no point in the movie they made mention of his real name being James Howlett. That's just the way IMDB is.


So don't hold your breath waiting to see Man Wolf on the big screen next year.


You may be right Death, look at what they (IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0413300/)) have done now. They have completely removed Topher Grace and Dallas Howard from the cast and have added Lizard to Dylan Baker character Dr. Curt Connors/Lizard. I don't know what to make of this. :dunno:

[DaForce]

A-hem! I think I know who the 4th villian is, and seeing as how it's more of a cameo, it's not really an important part of the story. It's more of like what the Bond movies have done, have a scene right before the opening credits roll.

If anyone's interested, I'll post the link.

[The Sym]

Why not just post the link? :dunno:

[DaForce]

Because there are some major MAJOR spoilers. But here's the link for those that want it.


http://filmick.blogspot.com/

[DeathScythe]

Sounds like a nice little setup. Although I do hope they keep some of the original comic book experiment in the origin.