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FireStormTrooper
07-27-2006, 09:36 AM
Is it true?

It's being said that DC plans on re-introducing Ibn al Xuffasch (in Arabic, literally means "Son of the Bat"), the biological son of Bruce Wayne and Talia al-Ghul, into the current comics continuity.

As furious as I was with the half-assed notion of Superman having a biological son in SUPERMAN RETURNS, I can accept this new development in the Batman mythos for a couple reasons ...

1. Ibn's birth was already chronicled in the awesome BATMAN: SON OF THE DEMON graphic novel that came out almost 20 years ago. SPOILER: It turns out that Bruce married Talia with Ras al-Ghul himself presiding over the ceremony ... and it was a real but brief marriage. Bruce found out that Talia was pregnant, and was ready to quit being Batman. He wanted to name the child Thomas or Martha. But then there was a terrorist crisis, Talia was caught in a gunfight and then said she lost the baby. Bruce was crushed, and took his revenge on the culprit. It turns out Talia lied, because she thought the world needed a driven Batman more than a happy Bruce, so she secretly gave the child up for adoption. The child was unnamed and unseen until the last panel of the last page as a newborn. There was always some confusion (at least to me) as to whether that was in continuity or not. Anyway, great story, made sense for Batman, was in keeping with his character (unlike Supes' unlikely irresponsible actions in SII and SR)

2. Ibn al-Xuffasch was next seen as a young adult in the awesome KINGDOM COME miniseries 10 years ago and then again in the follow-up THE KINGDOM event. In the latter, he was really given a chance to shine. SPOILER: Ibn ultimately kills his grandfather Ra's al Ghul in the Batcave. But KINGDOM COME, like SON OF THE DEMON before it, were not exactly in continuity. But you at least could sorta get used to the idea that Bruce had a son somewhere before they made it official. And you got a chance to maybe like the guy a little.

3. Batman's almost always had a father-son relationship with someone, be it Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake (or even Carrie Kelly from DARK KNIGHT RETURNS). So him actually having a kid doesn't seem so out of place. He 's always been training someone younger to eventually replace him anyway. Why not his own son?

And finally, Bruce is a billionaire with the image of a playboy to match. So it's not that difficult to accept him as having had affairs, especially under those circumstances, where he knew what happened but was still ready to give it all up to have a family. Saw nothing of the kind in SUPERMAN RETURNS with Clark, who always had a much more stand-up nice-guy character.

I actually hope they go through with this idea, provided they continue to do it right. They laid the groundwork 20 years ago and then continued on it 10 years later. I'm for it.

What do the rest of you Bat-fans think of this development?

Jakerman
07-27-2006, 10:24 AM
I dunno, I don't really like the idea of Bats getting married or having a kid (though I've never read Son of the Demon) but I want to see what Grant Morrison does with it.

But like you said, Bats having a kid like this isn't quite as bad as Supes.

JaLoHo
07-28-2006, 12:37 AM
I've read Son Of The Demon and Kingdom Come so I know of the character but I'd rather he be kept in the background. You know raised in secret like some exiled prince whom Bruce/Batman keeps tabs on as far as his training and upbringing. Batman with a son as a major player in his universe just doesn't sit right with me because it brings up too many memories of the post WWII-Batman imaginary stories of him as Batman I with Batman II and Robin II running around. Batman's world is not a cheery place and the Bat, Nightwing, and Robin bringing up a baby just doesn't sound right even if Alfred would do all the rearing.

It's a concept though.

The Xenos
07-28-2006, 01:28 AM
Yes. As far as I know Morrison this week has continuted the long buried Son of the Demon storyline. I actually have an originial print of the until recently out of print graphic novel. I know aat least one of editors in the Bat office disliked it enough and decreed it as a non-continuity Elseworlds tale.

Now I'm not thrilled about Morrison brining this back, but I am inerested in where Morrison will take it. Plus jsut having Morrison on Batman sounds awesome.

Well, at least they didn't do something stupid like bring Jason Todd back from the dead.

Wait..

Oh shi....

FireStormTrooper
08-01-2006, 12:01 PM
What upcoming issue does Ibn al Xuffasch make his first appearance? Anyone know?

Jakerman
08-01-2006, 12:50 PM
Morrison's run is Batman #655-658. 655 is out already, but my copy hasn't come yet. I heard it was good though, for a set-up issue.

Nightravin
08-03-2006, 01:00 PM
I think this is great. Excellent potential dynamic between Tim Drake (Recently adopted by Bruce) and Ibn. Also I'm not entirely sure Batman doesn't know he has a son. During the KEY storyline of the JLA, Batman was put into his own dream world. Years passed, He had married Selina and Tim Drake and "Bruce Jr." Patrolled the streets of Gotham.

FireStormTrooper
08-05-2006, 09:14 AM
Just read BATMAN #655 ... Very interesting book. The artwork is great, the kind that used to belong exclusively to Marvel. Interestingly, Batman on the cover is the more recent gray on darker gray version, while the actual story has Bruce in his classic gray on blue costume. Why the difference? I prefer the darker gray, as he resembles the bat animal more.

Anyway, good story, starts with a bang, ends with a preview of what's the come. Considering the story is entitled "Batman & Son", it's no spoiler to reveal that that Talia al Ghul has what appears to be an 8-year-old son who identifies Bruce Wayne as his father. The son is not named in the issue, although, given the past history of DC, this would have to be Ibn al Xuffasch ("Son of the Bat").

There's still a chance they pull a Hush on us (which in hindsight, should have been the way the real Jason Todd came back, not the current ... whatever), and the kid is not Bruce's ... and the "& Son" part may actually refer to Robin, who apparently got a new, more adult costume at some point. I like that now the only exposed part of Robin's body is his head ... maybe someday the costume gets an appropriate cowl like Batman's, only more bird-like. Anyway, I'm buying the next issue.

Jakerman
08-05-2006, 03:58 PM
It was a good setup issue, Andy Kubert's art is great. And I like how after being away training for a year Alfred has to teach Bruce how to be a playboy again. :lol: Next issue seems to be all action, but there's nothing wrong with that. :wink: