UIR: Princess Projectra, Saturn Girl, and Superboy by Hasdru

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Comments for UIR: Princess Projectra, Saturn Girl, and Superboy by Hasdrubal (http://www.comics2film.com/DCG/DispArt.php3?f_id=20382)

[KLA 1]

Your Poser work is usually well done in the technical sense as to lay-out and such. This picture too looks good.

Still, every piece I have seen done with poser (yours and others') that did not have a photograhed face pasted on it has looked dead and lifeless, no matter how much action is taking place in the picture. I did a few manips with mannequins that had the same problem.

Obviously that is a personal opinion of mine. My suggestion would be that you send more time working on the faces and expressions to make them more life-like.

[zimage8]

Certainly going down memory lane with this manip. Those costumes are pure 70's creations, but considering the lack of war-drobe (literally, I guess, as they're always battling someone) on the ladies, these models are accurate precursers.
Noting Supe's the freakish resemblance to Reeve, especially body structure!

[Le Pijon]

Your Poser work is usually well done in the technical sense as to lay-out and such. This picture too looks good.

Still, every piece I have seen done with poser (yours and others') that did not have a photograhed face pasted on it has looked dead and lifeless, no matter how much action is taking place in the picture. I did a few manips with mannequins that had the same problem.

Obviously that is a personal opinion of mine. My suggestion would be that you send more time working on the faces and expressions to make them more life-like.

Well Kev, I gotta say, as a poser user myself, I'm not too thrilled about having my pieces called dead and lifeless. Opinion or not, I think that's a rather harsh generalization to throw on all Poser users. In a 3D discussion thread, I discussed how easy it is to overlook certain artistic elements as a result of the many technical elements being dealt with in 3D. I do think Poser (particularly 4 and lower) has a mannequin effect that is tricky to overcome although far from impossible. I think when we're working with Poser, we tend to be more forgiving of this particular element and with 3D, we are more prone toward certain shortcomings. Still, perception's a funny thing and each type of art seems to have it's own little reality tunnel for it's artists. Photomanippers are no different in this regard. While some of the best here have at times transcended the medium, most (like the hand drawn and 3D folks) here are just hobbyists. It is a difficult thing to paint over a photo and create enough realism to make it look consistent with the whole. I would say most here fall short in that regard but there's a certain suspension of disbelief which allows us all to find this acceptable...and that's cool. I just think the 3D folk deserve a similar latitude with their shortcomings. It seems like Has has become the whipping boy for the 3D community from time to time. You know, while I like Has's work, I don't always agree with or always like Has's artistic choices but he has often gone the extra mile and produced scenes, shown us action and had fun with a wealth of characters from comics' rich history...scenes which bore much closer relation to the comics which inspired them than painted over supermodels who now have a different costume but the feeling of the piece never trancended it's base image. I find it rather ironic to see folks going "oooh, look at those seams and wrinkles" and completely missing the bigger picture. Still, by their very nature, photomanips often produce good realistic faces on characters and if done right, bring characters to life. Although, it may sound like I'm drawing the battlelines here, I'm trying to show all sides have seperate strengths and weaknesses and we should be aware of them and carefully tolerant when critiquing other styles. OK, I'll get off my soapbox now. :)

[KLA 1]

Well Kev, I gotta say, as a poser user myself, I'm not too thrilled about having my pieces called dead and lifeless. Opinion or not, I think that's a rather harsh generalization to throw on all Poser users. In a 3D discussion thread, I discussed how easy it is to overlook certain artistic elements as a result of the many technical elements being dealt with in 3D. I do think Poser (particularly 4 and lower) has a mannequin effect that is tricky to overcome although far from impossible. I think when we're working with Poser, we tend to be more forgiving of this particular element and with 3D, we are more prone toward certain shortcomings. Still, perception's a funny thing and each type of art seems to have it's own little reality tunnel for it's artists. Photomanippers are no different in this regard. While some of the best here have at times transcended the medium, most (like the hand drawn and 3D folks) here are just hobbyists. It is a difficult thing to paint over a photo and create enough realism to make it look consistent with the whole. I would say most here fall short in that regard but there's a certain suspension of disbelief which allows us all to find this acceptable...and that's cool. I just think the 3D folk deserve a similar latitude with their shortcomings. It seems like Has has become the whipping boy for the 3D community from time to time. You know, while I like Has's work, I don't always agree with or always like Has's artistic choices but he has often gone the extra mile and produced scenes, shown us action and had fun with a wealth of characters from comics' rich history...scenes which bore much closer relation to the comics which inspired them than painted over supermodels who now have a different costume but the feeling of the piece never trancended it's base image. I find it rather ironic to see folks going "oooh, look at those seams and wrinkles" and completely missing the bigger picture. Still, by their very nature, photomanips often produce good realistic faces on characters and if done right, bring characters to life. Although, it may sound like I'm drawing the battlelines here, I'm trying to show all sides have seperate strengths and weaknesses and we should be aware of them and carefully tolerant when critiquing other styles. OK, I'll get off my soapbox now. :)

I really thought my compliments about the Poser use here would cover the ego thing. What I was trying to get across was that the faces, however attractively they may be made, seem to detract from the great work the artist has done. I know from what I have seen that we have a master or two among us here that could help the others overcome what I happen to see as a shortfall of the program. Still, I'm sorry if this offends anyone, it certainly is not my intent. [/quote]

[kev_incal]

70s 'bathing suit era' Legion! Love it! Any more Legionnaires? Maybe Cosmic Boy in space man-bra :p?

[Le Pijon]

:lol: Great idea, Kev! I think you should take up that torch and run with it!

[Hasdrubal]

I'm surprised this got so many comments. I did this one a long time ago. The stuff I'm making now doesn't look like this anymore. My latest Poser stuff on You Tube looks more like Monty Python paper cut-out animation now. It's getting so I'm not sure what 3D should or shouldn't look like. :D