It is as I have long feared...

[Space Tycoon]

Things are surely going to get worse...

The arrest of 17 people in an anti-terror sweep in southern Ontario on Friday, June 2, 2006 was the second time people had been detained under Canada's Anti-terrorism Act.
(http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/cdnsecurity/antiterror-sweep.html)





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[fastcar]

Meanwhile, we concentrate what little military force we have left on the opposite border.


Terrorists don't come from Mexico. The unemployed do.

[Intelligent_Design]

Things are surely going to get worse...

The arrest of 17 people in an anti-terror sweep in southern Ontario on Friday, June 2, 2006 was the second time people had been detained under Canada's Anti-terrorism Act.
(http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/cdnsecurity/antiterror-sweep.html)





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Thanks to you guys’ conservative movement up there all would be terrorist are un the run now. Thats what some hot Canadian conservative pundit chick said on Fox News last night. Which reminds me what ever happened to the 7 or so “al queda cell” the busted in upstate NY. Gitmo would be my guess.

[sickness]

Thanks to you guys’ conservative movement up there all would be terrorist are un the run now. Thats what some hot Canadian conservative pundit chick said on Fox News last night. Which reminds me what ever happened to the 7 or so “al queda cell” the busted in upstate NY. Gitmo would be my guess.
The Sasquahanna 6 or something like that? They were all either proven guilty or plead guilty or some combination of the two, I forget exact details, and are now locked up in a federal maximum security prison.

[sickness]

Meanwhile, we concentrate what little military force we have left on the opposite border.


Terrorists don't come from Mexico. The unemployed do.
Given a clamp-down on the Canadian border (and maybe even without it considering extreme governmental corruption in Mexico and the resulting ease of entry into that country), it's only a matter of time before terrorists start trying to enter through Mexico. We need to cover both borders.

[Intelligent_Design]

Given a clamp-down on the Canadian border (and maybe even without it considering extreme governmental corruption in Mexico and the resulting ease of entry into that country), it's only a matter of time before terrorists start trying to enter through Mexico. We need to cover both borders.


Its gonna be harder to patrol the Canadain border there is A lot of forests up there that would hamper efforts.

[omicron]

That's why we train the Grizzly Bears to eat the illegals!! Also, we can recruit Bigfoot, give him a border patrol badge, and send him to work!

Omi

[fastcar]

How are the efforts to recruit Chupacabra for the Mexican border going?

[omicron]

I think the most innovative answer I saw was on a Fark thread. Combine the immigration problem with all the alligator attacks.

Dig a moat from Pacific ocean to gulf of Mexico. Catch and transfer all the alligators from Florida and put them there :)

Omi

[sickness]

There's already a moat along the entire state of Texas. It's called The Rio Grande. The rest is too mountainous to achieve a single moat.

[omicron]

Sick, my post was firmly tongue in cheek. :rolleyes:

Omi

[sickness]

I knew that.

[Space Tycoon]

Meanwhile, we concentrate what little military force we have left on the opposite border.

Terrorists don't come from Mexico. The unemployed do.

The Southwest border with Mexico needs to be sealed for reasons which have nothing to do with terrorism, but everything to do with economics, irridentism, and nationalism.

As for militarizing the Canadian border, that is a red herring as far as I'm concerned. Terrorism is a problem which believe it or not does have solutions; but those solutions involve intelligence, subtlety, and nuance.

One of the first steps is getting the vast majority of law-abiding Muslim Canadians onside. You don't achieve that by inflaming the passions of young Muslim men already pissed off about Iraq and Afghanistan. Unfortunately in Canada we have neocons like publisher Ezra Levant who would rather use his media to publish the defamatory cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, for no other reason than to stir the pot and sell papers.

And we have the current Conservative government cowtowing to Bush, Israel and the Jewish lobby at every turn, regardless of whether or not it is in Canada's real interest to do so.

Hard to tell where this will lead. If these charges turn out to be true, then I would have to say the RCMP and CSIS have really done their job. They are true example of how law enforcement can and should deal with potential threats.





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[Intelligent_Design]

As for militarizing the Canadian border, that is a red herring as far as I'm concerned. Terrorism is a problem which believe it or not does have solutions; but those solutions involve intelligence, subtlety, and nuance.





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True, but what you guys did is the only way to stop terrorism. Stop the terrorists before they commit terrorism.

[sickness]

As for militarizing the Canadian border, that is a red herring as far as I'm concerned. Terrorism is a problem which believe it or not does have solutions; but those solutions involve intelligence, subtlety, and nuance.

Intelligence, subtlety and nuance. Three antonyms for George W. Bush.

[Space Tycoon]

ID: True, but what you guys did is the only way to stop terrorism. Stop the terrorists before they commit terrorism.

Well, yeah. That's why I said:

If these charges turn out to be true, then I would have to say the RCMP and CSIS have really done their job. They are true example of how law enforcement can and should deal with potential threats.
:wink:

It isn't just the Canadian agencies which worked together to achieve this. I believe the FBI were engaged at some point.

Problem is, when you start treating the Canadian border as you would that of an adversarial country--like say, for example, Mexico--I would think the level of bad feelings this generates would tend to hinder that sort of co-operation.

Besides, the current generation of terrorists in countries like Britain, France, USA and Canada are not sneaking in on ships or jumping any fences. They are increasingly "homegrown," often second generation immigrants who are increasingly drawn to radicalism by the actions of their respective governments.

Change the policies, engage the community, reduce the radicalism. It's that simple. Well, all except for the details. The trick is accomplishing this without making it look like a retreat.

In other words, saving face.





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[Space Tycoon]

Intelligence, subtlety and nuance. Three antonyms for George W. Bush.

It would be entertaining enough just to hear him try to pronounce them. :smirks:




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[DaForce]

OH MY GOD!!!!

WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






























Well, someday.





















Just saying.






:dunno:

[Space Tycoon]

Thanks for the heads-up bro.




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[DaForce]

Thanks for the heads-up bro.




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http://www.theempire.com.au/images/2005-11-11/GI%20Joe%20Knowing%20Is%20T-Shirt.jpg

[Intelligent_Design]

The Southwest border with Mexico needs to be sealed for reasons which have nothing to do with terrorism, but everything to do with economics, irridentism, and nationalism.

As for militarizing the Canadian border, that is a red herring as far as I'm concerned.



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Well, I would say that we should launch a full scale military invasion and regime change in Canada. Your health care system is proof enough for me that you guys have communist tendencies. Even you have claimed thats the biggest threat facing the US today. I know your guys' endgame, let The US divert all of its military to the Mexican border and with the Help of France, Russia, China, Cuba, Venezuela, and North Korea( your secret socialist allies) you invade and force us to bend towards your way of life? Everybody else here maybe blind but I know what you guys are up to. And as the tanks come rolling down main street Spraying Maple Syrup on fleeing Americans I will be the only one here that saw it coming.

















:D

[Space Tycoon]

You discovered our plan... now we have to terminate you.





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[Lavoruis]

The only way we will have closed sealed, borders.
if some lunatic blows up a dirty nuke
within a bording, states countries, whatever?
then it might be too little to late:(
I hope it don't come that
but with lax security who knows

[Intelligent_Design]

You discovered our plan... now we have to terminate you.





:ohwell:
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Ahhhh!!! What a fitting way for me to go.:D

[Space Tycoon]

Why not de-escalate the conflict? Pull the trops out of Iraq and Afghan? Divide the enemy. Win the war.

You know... old-school "Art of War" stuff.




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[Intelligent_Design]

The only way we will have closed sealed, borders.
if some lunatic blows up a dirty nuke
within a bording, states countries, whatever?
then it might be too little to late:(
I hope it don't come that
but with lax security who knows

Makes me wonder how long its gonna be before an homegrown American lunatic travels over seas to blow somthing up.

[DaForce]

Why not de-escalate the conflict? Pull the trops out of Iraq and Afghan? Divide the enemy. Win the war.

You know... old-school "Art of War" stuff.




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G.W. never saw that movie.

He just doesn't like Wesley Snipes.







And not because Wesley's black.

[Space Tycoon]

My dad was just saying today, when some crazy baptist decides to blow up a mosque or something, then it is going to be ON.

Big Time.

He didn't actually use those words, but... you get the general impression.






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[Intelligent_Design]

Why not de-escalate the conflict? Pull the trops out of Iraq and Afghan? Divide the enemy. Win the war.

You know... old-school "Art of War" stuff.




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I used to think that would work but now I'm not so sure. I think if we pulled out, Iran would consolidate power through force or influence in that region and we would be no better off.

[Intelligent_Design]

G.W. never saw that movie.

He just doesn't like Wesley Snipes.







And not because Wesley's black.


Bush doesn't care about Wesleys. And he never bets on Black.:)

[Intelligent_Design]

My dad was just saying today, when some crazy baptist decides to blow up a mosque or something, then it is going to be ON.

Big Time.

He didn't actually use those words, but... you get the general impression.






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True Dat. It could happen to. Those bastards are close to radical Muslims in their level of fanaticism. Just look at all of the Abortion Clinics that have been terrorized.

[Space Tycoon]

I used to think that would work but now I'm not so sure. I think if we pulled out, Iran would consolidate power through force or influence in that region and we would be no better off.

I truly believe that at some point, you have to say, they are going to take over anyway. Either economically, politically or militarily, Iran is the logical dominant power in the region.

What is to be gained by continuing down this road of belligerence and aggressiveness? By pressing the military option, this administration is merely providing Ahmedinajad with the rhetorical fuel he needs to consolidate his populist agenda.

This is how I see it.




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[Space Tycoon]

True Dat. It could happen to. Those bastards are close to radical Muslims in their level of fanaticism. Just look at all of the Abortion Clinics that have been terrorized.

This might be a bit of a diversion, but...

Had an interesting thought some time ago.

When Timothy McVeigh committed his act of terror, over eleven years ago, Rush Limbaugh (along with G. Gordon Liddy and others), was mentioned by President Clinton as being instrumental in creating an atmosphere of hate. Which supposedly encouraged the Oklahoma City bombing.

Limbaugh was furious. As well he should have been, I might add. "Have you ever thought about blaming the people responsible?!" Rush thundered. I remember it quite vividly.

And to this day, I believe he was right.

You have to blame invididuals for their own actions, not commentators or bloviators who get paid to express their silly opinions. Once you lose free speech, you lose freedom itself.

I don't know why I felt the need to say this. Seems like in times like these we need a good dose of religious tolerance to counter some of the barbaric violence out there.






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[Asonokirk V 2.0]

Makes me wonder how long its gonna be before an homegrown American lunatic travels over seas to blow somthing up.

Isn't that already happening? Like in Iraq and Afghanistan?

[DaForce]

Seems like in times like these we need a good dose of religious tolerance to counter some of the barbaric violence out there.



Okay, that just made me laugh out loud.


You do realize that most of the violence in the world is done as a result in a difference of religion?


I was watching this thing on the History Channel about the anti-Christ predictions (which are largely based on a mid 19th century minister's writings), and one of the things that another religious figure said on the pulpit rang true... (paraphrasing) Basically that if we learned to recognize the evil we are capable of within ourselves, which is the true anti-Christ, and actually followed the teaching of Christ-love (which is what was in the Bible before it was re-written for fire and brimstone scares), then we'd be taking responsibility for our own actions instead of projecting them on a mythical or mystical figure.

In other words, guns don't kill people, religious fanatics do.

[sickness]

That's right. Guns don't kill people, Chuck Norris kills people.

[Space Tycoon]

You do realize that most of the violence in the world is done as a result in a difference of religion?

How do you quantify that?

Intolerance in general is the leading cause of violence in the world--religious, ethnic, racial, national. Some use religion to justify atrocities; others use ethnic grievances, still others use economic deprivation.

For all it's flaws, religion is a source of great strength and comfort to millions of people living in conditions you couldn't begin to relate to.



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[fastcar]

You do realize that most of the violence in the world is done as a result in a difference in religion?

How do you quantify that?




uh.....The Crusades?

[DaForce]

How do you quantify that?




The Inquisition.

The Crusades.

The Spanish expansion into Central and South America.

Salem Witch Trials.

The Roman Coliseium games (lions vs. Christians).

The Israeli occupation of Palestine and the wars that has generated.

World War 2.

Bosnia-Herzegovina.







Shall I go on?








:smirk:

[Intelligent_Design]

That's right. Guns don't kill people, Chuck Norris kills people.


Chuck Norris doesn't kill people, David Boreanaz kills people!!!

[Trazalca]

David Boreanaz couldn't kill an ant farm. Now Jack Bauer. He kills people.

[fastcar]

Jack Bauer doesn't kill people. Vincent the dog kills people
http://www.tvnorge.no/bilder/01/17/25/95/vincent_L.jpgNone.preview.jpg

[Intelligent_Design]

Jack Bauer doesn't kill people. Vincent the dog kills people
http://www.tvnorge.no/bilder/01/17/25/95/vincent_L.jpgNone.preview.jpg



Vincent doesn't kill people Wes Bentley kills people !!!!

[sickness]

But only when he flashes back to his days as Sagat in the worts video game movie ever: Street Fighter.

[fastcar]

Wes Bently was Sagat? I thought he was the kid with the floating shopping bag in American Beauty.





Wes Studi, maybe?

[sickness]

Doh! I'm thinking of Wes Studi.

[Space Tycoon]

The Inquisition.

The Crusades.

The Spanish expansion into Central and South America.

Salem Witch Trials.

The Roman Coliseium games (lions vs. Christians).

The Israeli occupation of Palestine and the wars that has generated.

World War 2.

Bosnia-Herzegovina.



All of these conflicts are the product of complex causes--religion is just one of many.

Are you telling me that without religion the world would be without atrocity?

Huh?!

I realize you are the product of an inferior American education, but I thought you were above such simple mindedness.

:smirks:


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[DaForce]

All of these conflicts are the product of complex causes--religion is just one of many.

Are you telling me that without religion the world would be without atrocity?

Huh?!

I realize you are the product of an inferior American education, but I thought you were above such simple mindedness.

:smirks:


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Well, we can't all be from the collective. :wink:


And, no, without religion the world would still have atrocity...but people might actually start taking responsibility for it for a change instead of chanting, 'Deus lo volt!' ('God wills it' for those not versed in either Latin or the Crusades) as they raped, pillaged and murdered.

I just find that most religious fanatics will go into battle more willingly if they think their 'God' is better than the other faction's 'God'. The fanatic will commit much more attrocities in the name of religion than in the name of say, a president or chief.

It's a psychological fact of group or mob behavior.


But I guess the books we have in the 'inferior American education' system are just wrong about that, huh? :smirks:







:lol:

[Space Tycoon]

I just find that most religious fanatics will go into battle more willingly if they think their 'God' is better than the other faction's 'God'. The fanatic will commit much more attrocities in the name of religion than in the name of say, a president or chief.

Well, again, I would have to disagree. It would be more accurate to say that fanatics in general will commit more atrocities if they are absolutely convinced of the rightness of their cause. Whether that cause is religious or entirely secular in nature.

As I have pointed out on these forums before, people like Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Castro, and Hitler didn't kill tens of millions of people out of any religious impulse. Unless one considers Marxism and National Socialism to be types of religions, which is perhaps a topic for another time.

In these cases, the fanatics were motivated by a perversion of science, rather than religion.

And yes I know large parts of the Catholic Church supported Hitler, but I maintain Hitler himself and the Nazi movement to be atheists masquerading as religionists.

I consider religion to be a tool. And like any tool it can be either highly beneficial, or equally disastrous. It all depends on the character of the person wielding it.



And I was mostly kidding about the inferior education system.

Mostly.


:smirks: