Major Civil War Spoiler!

[Immortal1982]

For those that have read issue 2, The Bombshell has been dropped.
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Spiderman "outs" himself

Lets see the fallout from that.....

[Cncrman]

Which I found odd/interesting considering who they are playing him as a "both sides of the fence" guy in this.

[SinisterPryde]

Wow! My first thought was, "Where are they going to go from here?" I doubt Peter can take this back!

Damn, Marvel! I was just going to check out the core series plus the issues I usually buy (Wolverine, X-Factor, Ms. Marvel). Instead, I find myself anxiously looking for other tie-in issues however when I am at the comics shop! This series is turning out better than I thought it would.

[KingVoyeur]

I was wondering if it was actually going to happen after reading the first Amazing Spider-Man tie-in, where it ends with him about to walk onstage at the press conference, but didn't actually think he was gonna do it!

On a related note, in Civil War: Front Line #1 (which looks like it's going to be a fantastic series itself), Tony Stark

also reveals that he's Iron Man at a huge press conference.

It'll be interesting to see what all the consequences are gonna be, cause you know they can't take this stuff back!

[KingVoyeur]

Looks like fans aren't happy about the new development:

From IMDB.com


Marvel Comics at Center of Superhero Controversy

Marvel comics has come under fire from superhero fans for unmasking one of their stars at a fictional press conference. Enduring crusader Spider-Man unexpectedly takes off his mask in front of awaiting reporters and snappers at a Washington publicity call in Marvel's latest edition, revealing the identity he has battled to keep secret for 44 years. Peter Parker agrees to the unmasking after federal legislation requires super heroes register and reveal their identities in a crackdown inspired by the deaths of hundreds of children at an elementary school when a battle between heroes and villains spills onto their grounds. But Marvel's editor-in-chief Joe Quesada reassured disgruntled fans on Wednesday that the unprecedented move is a positive step for the comic adventures. He said, "It is arguably the most shocking event in comic book history. It can be very intimidating if you don't know where the story is going or how it ends; we do, so we're just excited about where it takes us and the story possibilities it offers."

[Cncrman]

It'll be interesting to see what all the consequences are gonna be, cause you know they can't take this stuff back!

Unless of course they have some lame "Mass memory wipe" crap at the end of the whole series. That's my biggest beef with comics, they can wave a magic wand and make everything staus quo again.

[KingVoyeur]

Unless of course they have some lame "Mass memory wipe" crap at the end of the whole series. That's my biggest beef with comics, they can wave a magic wand and make everything staus quo again.

Either that or doing some time traveling to prevent the Stamford incident in the first place. I mean, geez, we know that the FF4 have a time-travel device (see the one shot "A Death in the Family"). They coulda just used that right off the bat and avoided all of this trouble ( though that wouldn't be very insteresting). Of course, the government had already planned to enact a Superhero Registration Act, Stamford just sped up the process.

[southpaw]

So now the four people in the Marvel Universe that didn't already know Peter Parker is Spider-Man now knows......this doesn't bother me, JQ has done his damnest to ruin Spidey for the last two years. At least Ultimate Spider-Man is still good.


Wait til MJ is killed or cheats on Peter with Tony Starks and they get divorced....that will make things perfect!

[DaForce]

So now the four people in the Marvel Universe that didn't already know Peter Parker is Spider-Man now knows......this doesn't bother me, JQ has done his damnest to ruin Spidey for the last two years. At least Ultimate Spider-Man is still good.


Wait til MJ is killed or cheats on Peter with Tony Starks and they get divorced....that will make things perfect!




Honestly sockboy, I find a lot of the Spidey changes are pretty refreshing. I was reading Amazing long before JMS came on board and here's how the typical issue played out....Peter at work, needs to stop a bad guy ripping up the city, goes and stops the bad guy, comes back to work to find that he's late and reprimanded and/or fired. OR they would do one of those never ending battles kind of like DragonBall Z....."Maybe if I stare at him long enough he'll get scared, go away."

In other words, before the changes to Spidey, Spidey was a really boring book. It was played out. Tired. Done before.

After JMS came on board, he did three significant things with Spidey:
1. Aunt May finally f**king found out that Peter was Spidey.
2. Peter and MJ got back together (none of this left coast, east coast B.S.)
3. Explained why Peter was the only one bitten by the spider. <---VERY huge in my eyes.


The suit? Temporary. JMS even said so himself. It's part of the underlying father/son relationship that Tony and Pete are having (and if you're missing that point in all this, then you're not reading).

Gwen Stacey had kids with Osborn? Big, fat, hairy deal. It fit continuity, and it was done pretty well.

Spidey has new powers/abilities? See point three above.

Spidey 'outing' himself? It's about f**king time. Only three on the planet don't know who Spidey really is, and they're brain dead anyway.



Yeesh! Fanboys that just want to see pointless fight after endless pointless fight should just buy the Spidey videogame, lock themselves in their rooms, and play the game ceaselessly with one hand on their joystick, and the other hand on their game controller.

[southpaw]

After JMS came on board, he did three significant things with Spidey:
1. Aunt May finally f**king found out that Peter was Spidey.
2. Peter and MJ got back together (none of this left coast, east coast B.S.)
3. Explained why Peter was the only one bitten by the spider. <---VERY huge in my eyes.



1. I have no problem with Aunt May knowing Pete is Spidey.
2. How will you feel when JMS and JQ break them up? They both seem to think that the relationship between the two is the no. 1 reason for the stories not being what the readers want. Their words not mine, they have made mention of it in many interviews.
3. I didn't care for the mystical explanation JMS gave us for Spideys origin...yeah I know it's change! It's also not Spider-man, not to me, if I WANTED to read Dr. Strange....I would buy Dr. Strange.



The suit? Temporary. JMS even said so himself. It's part of the underlying father/son relationship that Tony and Pete are having (and if you're missing that point in all this, then you're not reading).



Everyone knows the suit won't last. I have no problem with it from a story point of view. The relationship between Pete and Tony seems to to be less father/son and more employer/employee. ( I didn't care for the direction Spidey was taking after THE OTHER, so yeah, I'm not reading.)


1. Gwen Stacey had kids with Osborn? Big, fat, hairy deal. It fit continuity, and it was done pretty well.

2. Spidey has new powers/abilities? See point three above.

3. Spidey 'outing' himself? It's about f**king time. Only three on the planet don't know who Spidey really is, and they're brain dead anyway



1. I think the storyline of Gwen was lame and was written for simple shock factor. Gwen is a huge part of Spideys history and having her not only nail his arch nemesis while they were together, but getting knocked up by him just seemed out of place. That's just me.

2. Did Spidey NEED new powers/abilities? Oh yeah, we have to "change the status quo" we can't write stories for a character....so lets change the character!

3.You think this "outing" will last any more than the Iron-Spidey suit will?....I got twenty bucks says Marvel will have Sentry make everyone forget Peter is Spidey or some other mindwipe crap like that. I mean Sentry has already done this a couple of times already.



Really Forcey, what's more pointless than the same ole pointless fight?
Pointless changes that won't stick...you would think they would have learned after The Clone Saga.

[KingVoyeur]

I've always been a Spider-Man fan, but only recently started reading comics again (starting with Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man and the Lucha storyline, and Civil War). I've always followed Spidey, he's one of my favorite characters, and I hafta agree with Southpaw on the point of the possibility of Peter's powers coming from fate and magic. One of the things I always liked about Peter/Spidey was that he was science-based. I don't have a problem with magic characters, and I don't mind change, but come on! Spider-Man's origin story is one of the most well-known and solid origins out there. It hasn't been messed with since it was penned (unless you count Ultimate Spidey, but even that's pretty close to the original), so why start now?

As for his new powers, why shouldn't he gain new powers as he grows older and his body chemistry evolves? I'm glad he's got some new tricks, and it's not like they're over the top or anything, and they haven't been around that long, so who knows what's going to happen with them.

I wasn't crazy about the new suit to begin with, but it totally grew on me. Once I really started reading, it quickly became obvious that it's not going to last. The tension between Peter and Tony Stark in Civil War is most likely leading to Peter dumping the "Iron Spider" suit and going back to the classic suit. As for Peter outing himself, I'm hoping it does stay around. I mean, we've got characters who are very public and characters who are very private, so it'll be interesting to see how a character who was one become the other and how it affects his life. Peter Parker has always been a more grounded and real-world character than most, so I think he's the perfect candidate to tell that kind of story.

I did notice something interesting about the Peter Parker/Spider-Man / Tony Stark/Iron Man relationship. In "Amazing Spider-Man" and "Civil War" their relationship is very much employer/employee, with it appearing that Peter is VERY subservient to Tony. I know Tony did a lot for him, but geez! However, in "Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man", they seem to be on a much more equal level. Now, this could be just because in FNSM I've only seen them together as Spider-Man and Iron Man (the conversation they had at the beginning of the second volume of the "Masks" storyline about the difference between science and magic was great) and in ASM and CW as Peter and Tony, so it could be that they just act differently towards each other depending on which persona they're in. I'll be interested to see how the Superhero Civil War will affect that relationship.

[MPG]

I am actually quite happy about these events. It's about time that we get to see the stupid look on J.J.J.'s face. :wink:

In the various main series alone, there have been about 1000 issues of Spider-Man. Anyone who wants to read stories where his identity is secret can read these comic books. After 1000 issues, it is very hard to cover any new ground and the writers have to do something "dramatic" to come up with something that hasn't been done about 50 times already. I agree that the recent storylines with the changes to Spider-Man's powers were probably not the right way to go, but revealing his secret identity is really an interesting change that is not too out-of-character or unrealistic and it opens up a lot of new possibilities.

[Immortal1982]

Going With this week's new titles, Interesting elements pop up, and spidey's involved in several.

X-Factor 8
Spidey Reveals to Siryn the truth about M-day

Civil War: Frontline 2/Amazing Spiderman
1. from both titles.... Jonah isn't pissed about the SPidey/Peter part per se, He's just pissed that the one person he felt was trustworthy betrayed him.

2. From Frontline... Spidey broke Osbourne's "rules". And to say Osbourne isn't happy.... Well was Norman ever a happy man?

New Avengers 21

Spidey is too deep on Stark's side for Captain America to even recruit, as he tells the falcon

[southpaw]

WIZARD 178 has a good article about the unmasking as well.

[KingVoyeur]

The big guy at Marvel, Joe Quesada, just confirmed in an interview at Comic Con that they won't be taking the events of Civil War back. Should make the Marvel universe very interesting after the conclusion of CW!

[Immortal1982]

Whoa, nobody mentioned Civil War 3 yet? I'm disapointed...

Especially when you consider The Hammerman Odin Raised is back. And he's pro registration.

Lets clear up a few things....

X-men: Bishop and the 198(ProSide) vs. Cyclops, Angel, Iceman, And beast(Trying to remain Neutral)

Runaways/Young Avengers: Runaways(Unknown) with the Young Avengers(Anti) trying to help them out.

Wolverine: Hunting Nitro, Namor shows up, Considering a member of Atlantis Royal Family(Namorita of The new Warriors) was killed, and he wants blood.

Thunderbolts: Playing both sides

Cable/Deadpool: Cable is anti, Deadpools in it for the $$$.

Spiderman: Pro, but his faith is swaying.

Iron Man: Pro

Black Panther/Storm: NEUTRAL

More sides to come

[DaForce]

Okay, I have a theory going on that Tony Stark and Reed are actually trying to pull a fast one on the government. That they aren't as Draconian as they appear to be.

My first clue to this was when Tony wanted to talk to Steve about the registration act. I think Tony was actually going to let Steve in on the whole scam, but Steve (being the totally naive person that he is) was just doing the whole reacting at gut level thing that he's good at doing.


Anyway, that's my take on it.



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[Kaeos]

Hey guys,

Just popping in to see if anyone caught Joe Quesada on The Colbert Report last night.

Not a long interview by and means, but he did offer a little perspective on the Civil War story line. Comedy Central has not yet posted the video, but they likely will at some point.

Tally ho.

[KingVoyeur]

Okay, I have a theory going on that Tony Stark and Reed are actually trying to pull a fast one on the government. That they aren't as Draconian as they appear to be.

My first clue to this was when Tony wanted to talk to Steve about the registration act. I think Tony was actually going to let Steve in on the whole scam, but Steve (being the totally naive person that he is) was just doing the whole reacting at gut level thing that he's good at doing.


Anyway, that's my take on it.



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I just went back and read the "Amazing Spider-man" road to civil war issues, and Stark was actually against a registration act in those. I was actually kinda thinkin the same thing. Hmmm

[Kaeos]

Hey boys I gots me a question here about this whole civil war story line.

What I've gleaned from this thread is that the marvel universe has America basically splitting down the middle over a superhero registration act. Okay, cool.

But isn't this basically taking the main plot/storyline from the entire X-Men series and spreading it out to the whole marvel world? Is it such to say that everything with the core story of the mutant registration act from X-Men lore didn't impact the rest of marvel's american based heroes?

Seems like more of the same to me. What am I missing?

[Immortal1982]

It's a little different in the fact that the law is going against vigilantism in general. All registered heroes would be essentially "agents".

The reason why the stand is coming as it is is because of Several recent events, like Avengers Dissassembled, Nick Fury's Secret War in New york city, Wolverine's rampage in Enemy of the State, The Hulks Vegas rampage(At the beginning of Straczynski's Fantastic Four run), And the Stamford incident depicted in Civil War 1.

A lot of it is playing from one of Marvel's simplest rules. People do not trust each other. You read any team-up story, theres always a disagreement or an uneasyness.

But the law is quite similar, to the original Mutant Regestration act introduced by Claremont, but remember, the law eventually outlawed everyone.

[Kaeos]

Interesting. Admittedly, my question is swathed liberally in ignorance. I haven't followed and single title in a decade, despite my fanaticism with heroes in general.

Thanks for the clarify Mr. Sky!

PS
It's a little different in the fact that the law is going against vigilantism in general. All registered heroes would be essentially "agents".

On a side note, I do find it kinda funny, what you described matches a basic storyline for the entire superhero universe my brother and I created and RPG'd in like 15 years ago. It's the basis for a lot of my writing

[DaForce]

Anyone reading the Wolverine arc to Civil War?

So Walter Declun supplied Nuke with MGH (mutant growth hormone) so that Nuke could explode bigger than he ever has before. Declun just happens to be the CEO of Damage Control (the guys that contract to clean up all the messes after superhero fights). Damage Control just happens to have government contracts from which they'll benefit from the hero registration act. Sounds a lot like Haliburton.

The only thing that's bothering me is that I've heard the name Declun before in the Marvel universe, but I can't place it. I want to say HYDRA, but I'm not all that entirely sure. Anyone else have any ideas?