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03-21-2008, 08:47 AM
This discussion is for comments about the news article News: Human Torch quits 'Fantastic Four' (http://www.comics2film.com/index.php?a=story&b=32044).
03-21-2008, 08:47 AM
Hopefully, FF will be back with a new, less kiddish approach and most of all a new director...Tim Story was not the best choice for an action movie...If Marvel can re-do the Hulk and Punisher...then they are not going to let one of their top franchises just fade away...it will be back...but who knows when.................
03-21-2008, 09:13 AM
I thought Tim was a good choice. He is a fan of FF. I think the only reason the Rise didn't do as well as the 1st was because fans and critics were burned from the first. Let's face it, when movie executives push their opinions on a movie, it can destroy a movie. Good example of this is Spiderman 3. They (movie exec) pushed Sam Rami to put Venom in the story. He just didn't fit into the story.
I hope they do keep the franchise alive. I really enjoy the FF story.
03-21-2008, 09:52 AM
Just sad to hear. RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER did have some flaws, it did take the easy way out from the Kirby-Lee story, and it did let almost everyone who has read the story down, it did let everyone who has seen the 1960s and 1990s FF cartoon about the same story down, but it did have one thing, A real live cast. That has to earn points somewhere. Does it not? Yes, everyone as "CHRISMAN26" has stated was burned on the first one ( I know I was really looking forward to a Doom who had a real super mind to twart and hinder the FF, but I got Electic bolt throwing Doom instead) it was and I have to say the word, CUTE to watch. I was hoping a third movie would correct the issues of the first. BUT maybe, just maybe, they will reboot the whole thing. Which could be a good or bad thing. Not every movie reboot can be a BATMAN BEGINS..Its all in the writing and producers.
03-21-2008, 10:08 AM
I'd way rather see a more Kirby-inspired restart down the road. I think the people who did the new FF's tried really, really hard, and did a pretty good job with what they had, BUT...
Put Fantastic Four next to the Incredibles, and the FF don't look so hot. And that's just not right. The FF need money, CG effects, and a whole lot of Kirby Dots!!
I still don't understand why the replaced H.E.R.B.I.E. with the Human Torch. H.E.R.B.I.E. was a classic character!
03-21-2008, 12:25 PM
I don't think we need a more serious or less kiddish approach. I want to see a MORE kiddish approach. I want to see a movie that is as unabashedly fun as the comics are. I want monsters erupting out of the street! I want a giant freakin' spaceman with a purple tuning-fork for a hat! I want a Skrull invasion! I want a battle with Annihlus in the heart of the negative zone!
SHL rightly points to The Incredibles as the good version of FF. They weren't afraid of all the cool stuff we find in comics.
Don't make FF serious! It's not Batman Begins! It's big and bombastic and fun!
SHL is right about Kirby Dots too.
SHL is all wrong about H.E.R.B.I.E. though. No way they should waste H.E.R.B.I.E. in an FF movie. He's a franchise top-liner all the way!
03-21-2008, 12:45 PM
To me its unfair to really compare the fantastic four to the incredibles, simple because one incredibles is a cgi cartoon so they can get away with doing alot of stuff they were doing its hard to do that stuff with a live action film. 1. because people will say it looks to fake and cartoony which was the case and 2. The budget for a live action film to do all that stuff would be through the roof.
03-21-2008, 01:21 PM
good riddances to bad rubbish. as a TRUE fan of comic books AND fair critic of comic book films, i am glad that this franchise is over. first of all, no one even asked for a FF movie, and secondly, if you are going to make one, do it right or dont waste my time.
03-21-2008, 01:29 PM
I don't understand why this says Punisher is a redo. It isn't... I mean if you consider a redo having different actors and director than yes it is, but other than that it isn't a redo. I mean I thought Thomas Jane did just fine as The Punisher and the only reason he isn't doing it for the second movie is because the direction of the movie was changed to not be as dark. The first scripts were going to have the Punisher be a guy that works with cops and more like a "glamorized superhero." Punisher is a dark vigilante and Thomas Jane didn't want to do a movie that didn't follow the actual character... So redo? More like flop if you ask me...
03-21-2008, 01:30 PM
Nobody asked for a FF movie? Are you actually serious?
03-21-2008, 01:39 PM
Posted By: msp507I don't understand why this says Punisher is a redo. It isn't... I mean if you consider a redo having different actors and director than yes it is, but other than that it isn't a redo.
Except for the filmmakers themselves saying it's not a sequel.
"This is in no way to be seen as 'Punisher 2,' or even 'Punisher 3,'" says Stevenson of the fact that the movie is the third take on Marvel's vigilante character, but is not a sequel to either of the previous films. "It's going full-on for the Garth Ennis and Tim Bradstreet take on Frank Castle. We're staying very, very true to the authenticity of the comic books. The whole look of the film, the mise en scène, has that light and dark, harsh sodium colors. Frank Castle is definitely the predator."
03-21-2008, 01:40 PM
Posted By: msp507Nobody asked for a FF movie? Are you actually serious?
I asked for one! I'm asking for another one!
03-21-2008, 01:50 PM
Exactly. See the thing is that it may not be a sequel, nor is that what I said... but it isn't a redo either. It is Frank Castle coming back after a long hiatus... It is from Welcome Back Frank! This isn't a redo because it isn't an origin story like the new Hulk is. It has things different but is infact not a redo because in order for it to be a redo it has to be an introduction to the character, like the first movie... This does not do that.
03-21-2008, 06:57 PM
I wasn't a big FF fan, but seeing both films the only two characters that seemed to fit the part were, Johnny and the thing.
Mr. F and the invisible woman didn't seem to be a good fit to me.(actor wise).
The first one was just aweful and the second one made up for it. It wasn't good, but it was better than the 1st and was entertaining at the least.
Just my opinion but I always thought the FF were kinda lame anyway.
03-21-2008, 07:38 PM
Gotta agree with the folks who are saying this movie needs to stay true to it's roots, and be FOR CHILDREN. Anyone who's ever read an old Kirby/Lee FF comic knows how crazy ridiculous they are. SO over the top, with monsters, space monkeys and comedy.
As Robbo said, the FF is not Batman Begins. We're in our 20s and 30s now - but chances are most of us on this site started reading comics as kids. Don't forget they joy and wonder and excitement! Who wants a serious FF? Not me.
03-21-2008, 10:43 PM
Posted By: msp507This isn't a redo because it isn't an origin story like the new Hulk is. It has things different but is infact not a redo because in order for it to be a redo it has to be an introduction to the character, like the first movie... This does not do that.
The new Hulk film isn't a sequel, but it's not an origin story either.
03-22-2008, 02:04 PM
Actually the new Hulk is an origin in a sense because it does have how Bruce Banner becomes the Hulk. If you look at released pictures for the new movie and also information about it, you see that Edward Norton gets blasted by the Gamma Rays.... That IS the origin of the Hulk.
03-22-2008, 02:12 PM
In order for the new Punisher to be a redo it needs to have some elements of what transpired in the first film, like his family dying, but it doesn't. Instead, the plot happens years after this tragedy. Because of this, the origin story is implied and not shown. In the Hulk, Banner gets "zapped" so this is a redo because it re does what failed in the Eric Bana version. In the Punisher, no such redo...
I like the Fantastic Four movies. I don't love them, but I do like them. I do love the cast though. The problem with this franchise is that both movies has lacked something, and 20th Century Fox has been the culprit on both counts. Lack of funds in the first one. Lack of Galactus in the second one. Was Fox ashamed to adhere to the original storylines that gave the FF fame? Did they embrace the more modern but hardly memorable Galactus storyline in Ultimate Fantastic Four to cover their behind and say they were still being true to the comics?
I don't think anyone loves "electric bolt throwing Dr. Doom", I mean this character is Darth Vader's forefather, for God's sake! He was supposed to be at the top of the supervillain food chain, and not the dimished character Julian Mc Mahon had to deal with. Also Sam Raimi's Spidey movies may be character driven, but they never lack "clobbering time". Unfortunately director Tim Story did not understand this, or didn't have the budget for it. Fox's stinginess also plagued the 3rd X-Men movie which looked like a rush job. If there's another FF movie, I'll pay again to see it. Maybe they'll finally get it right the third time around. If not, thanks Ioan, Jess, Chris, Mike, Julian & Tim! It was a fun ride.
03-30-2008, 01:02 AM
I say let it go... for now. It will give our kids (well, my kids are ages 11, 7, and 5) something to put together and film later on. Think about it, if we put out all these comic book movies now... What will our kids and grandkids come out with on the big screen? "The Fantastic Four Meet Howard the Duck!" Yeah right. I say just let this franchise go for now and move on to all those Avenger characters that need movies... Namor called and he wants to know what the hell happened to his movie. Oh and don't forget Thor's movie...and Cap's...and Dr. Strange...and Ant Man...and...
03-30-2008, 01:15 AM
I agree with msp on the supposed Punisher redo. Who said this new Punisher is a redo anyway? I haven't seen anything on this website (and all the others out there) that the Punisher War-Zone movie is a redo. The Hulk is a redo, yes we all know that, but thanks for the info anyway, Antonello Blueberry (is that a real name?) Anyway, just because the new Punisher doesn't have a II or a 2 after it, doesn't mean it's not a sequel. After all, you are reporting on the Fantastic Four whose previous film was a sequel, but left off the "sequel insignia".
As for the film having a different guy playing the Punisher... Well, we've all seen the Batman franchise try and put every "hunk" (and I use that term loosely) in the cape and cowl of the Dark Knight of Gotham. Yet, I do believe all those were sequels... and the newest being a prequel. Will you be calling next month's(!) Batman movie a redo as well? Hmmmm... I don't think Jack (Nicholson) will like that too much if you decide to refer to it as a "redo", Mr. Blueberry.
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