News: Brandon Routh on 'Dylan Dog', 'Man of Steel' and 'Justice League'

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This discussion is for comments about the news article News: Brandon Routh on 'Dylan Dog', 'Man of Steel' and 'Justice League' (http://www.comics2film.com/index.php?a=story&b=32704).

[Newseditor]

"I'd like to see it come after we've made the characters a bigger presence in the world and been able to impart our visions of the two characters into the consciousness of the world, and see that other film come up then.'"

OK, what does that mean? A bigger presence in the world? He's talking about Superman and Batman for crying out loud! How much bigger do they need to be?

Impart their visions of the heroes into the world's consciousness? "Superman Returns" and "Batman Begins" are two very popular films already. I think the world knows about them.

This is what I hate about the Hollywood types who either don't know the superheroes or they want to get all arty with them.

Personally, I see no reason why they can't be filming JLA now (as long as the script is good and is true to the characters in all aspects.) There is no need to get ultra creative and start with someone's vision.

The fans and even the general movie-going public don't want someone's arty vision of our favorite heroes. (Can we all say "Batman and Robin"?)

Give the fans and the rest of the public what we want: A good, believable superhero movie that is true to the characters in all aspects. Is it really that hard to do?

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[imported_athenieus]

I agree with the "hollywood types". Finish their trilogies up (though Superman Returns actually finished up Superman 1 and 2) then go for the JLA film.

I have to agree with a lot of other blogs that marvel is taking the right approach and giving everyone their own movie THEN do the team up.

But its not my money, it's Warner's.

[KNOKOUT PIMP]

Warner Bros. should take the Marvel approach to makin movies & build up to a team up, & do cameos . A JLA movie would be cool it's just when people want to rush it thats annoying like Miller. The only thing that was Good about Justice League Mortal was Common & Megan Gale. But Routh was a terrible Superman & needs to be replaced.

[Captain Sigma]

KNOKOUT PIMP said:"But Routh was a terrible Superman & needs to be replaced."

Pimp, I agree with everything in your statement except this. I think if Routh had a better vehicle, he would have been a more believable Superman. And I hoping Singer does a better job of making sequel worthy of the name "Superman". The problem with "Returns" was that we all suffered from separation anxiety and mourning the loss of Christopher Reeve that we wanted Singer's film to be more than it was. Unfortunately, it was just okay (better than "Batman and Robin" though). At first, I thought Tom Welling would have made an excellent successor to Reeve, but even if he did "Returns" it would have still been just okay. This is the case with the proposed JLA movie, Wonder Woman and any other property Warner wants to throw in front of us. If the script doesn't pack a punch, the fanboys (and fangirls) may go to see it when it first opens, and that's it. If you're like me, your family knows your secret of being a comic book geek, and they will ask if you'll recommend a comic book genre movie. I would recommend "Batman Begins" to anyone looking for an epic, thought provoking film. "Superman Returns" is like a guilty pleasure, and "Batman and Robin" is medicine for insomnia.

[beowulf]

I fully support A Justice League movie that uses new actors. I see no problem with this what so ever. The great thing about the world of comic books is the multitude of parallel universes. This gives movie makers, comic book writers, companies, studios, and fanboys a great opportunity to see a different take on some of our favorite heroes while other movies about them are still being made. I still vehemently support Tom Welling as Superman in a JLA movie. He has not only earned it, but he has grown into the role. Hundreds of thousands of fans are crying out for Welling in the blue and red (and not a tee shirt, flannel combo)....so just give us what you want and we will give you 8-10 of our hard earned dollars.

As far as Mr. Routh and "his" Superman, I was never a fan of the movie, the actor, or the screenplay. It gave us exactly what we didn't need as a follow up to Superman 1 and 2...a romance movie that goes no where. The film accomplished nothing other than giving Superman a son, a fact that I hope will corrected in the future. It also gave us nothing new, nothing of substance and got us no where. It was basically just a show case of Seperman, Lex, and Lois and how they relate and interact...that could have been done in fifteen minutes. Rurthermore, Routh was too young, too pretty, and a little too effeminate for the part. I have said it a million times, so make this a million and one...we did not need an Abercrombie model as Superman! Routh gave us a take on Superboy, or Super-20somethingguy. They needed to find a more mature, more physically impressive actor to fill the tights.

To you Mr. Routh, all I can say is you are right about ONE thing, Christian Bale has done and will continue to do a great job representing Batman. As for you, hopefully you are just a passing fancy to be replaced (sooner rather than later) by someone actually worthy of being the last son of Krypton.

[QuantumFX]

Newseditor said:OK, what does that mean? A bigger presence in the world? He's talking about Superman and Batman for crying out loud! How much bigger do they need to be?

Impart their visions of the heroes into the world's consciousness? "Superman Returns" and "Batman Begins" are two very popular films already. I think the world knows about them.

I read his statement to mean that he wants the newer movies to be safely separated from the movies/TV shows that came before. You and I can separate the continuities established because comic books have taught us this skill.

There's people who are confused as to how Joe Chill could have killed Bruce Wayne's parents in "Batman Begins" when it was the Joker's doing in the 1989 "Batman".

There's a segment of people who can't separate Smallville's continuity from Superman Returns.

Both Batman Begins and Superman Returns are starting points. Batman is getting more done in the way of a makeover now that people are going to be forced to understand that the 1989-1998 Batman movies aren't part of the new continuity. The Superman franchise is going to need it too.

Captian Sigma: I totally agree with you about Routh. The weak part of Superman Returns was the script.

Also, Batman and Robin has exactly one saving grace! The Rifftrax voiceover is hands down the best movie Mike Nelson, Bill Corbett and Kevin Murphy's finest 2 hours! (www.rifftrax.com if you haven't seen it already!)

[SuperSkeptic]

Brandon Routh was an awesome Superman. You kids are taking Reeve as some kind of barometer and counting any difference between the two(even superficial & cosmetic crap) and counting that against Routh. It is impossible to compete against a dead guy, even if you are BETTER(Reeve was not perfect. No actor alive would be that I am aware of).

Superman Returns was not perfect(what film IS?!) but calling that script "weak" is a bit of a stretch. Especially when you compare it with the cheesy and for the most part crappy Salkind films. There were some good moments(and some groan inducing crap) in Superman II I will admit.

Justice League movie is just a bad idea period. It is hard enough to bring a single costumed superhero to the big screen and do it in a way that does not come off as stupid and cheesy. You cram a dozen characters with extravagant costumes, silly names absurd super powers and pit them against equally silly collections of supervillains and you are asking for "Challenge of the Superfriends" all over again.

I am with Routh on this one. If you must do it then at least let the REAL characters establish themselves in their own series as a separate/established continuity/trilogy before messing everything up with the JL movie.

[shrapnel09]

Hal Jordan or Kyle Rayner as Green Lantern or bust!

[KNOKOUT PIMP]

Superman Returns sucked it should be Tom Welling.

[Olia]

KNOKOUT PIMP said: Warner Bros. should take the Marvel approach to makin movies & build up to a team up, & do cameos . A JLA movie would be cool it's just when people want to rush it thats annoying like Miller. The only thing that was Good about Justice League Mortal was Common & Megan Gale. But Routh was a terrible Superman & needs to be replaced.
I fully agree with what you're saying. Routh was wooden all around, no matter what material he was given - granted SR wasn't the best to begin with - his skills wouldn't have improved that much.

beowulf said:I fully support A Justice League movie that uses new actors. I see no problem with this what so ever. The great thing about the world of comic books is the multitude of parallel universes. This gives movie makers, comic book writers, companies, studios, and fanboys a great opportunity to see a different take on some of our favorite heroes while other movies about them are still being made. I still vehemently support Tom Welling as Superman in a JLA movie. He has not only earned it, but he has grown into the role. Hundreds of thousands of fans are crying out for Welling in the blue and red (and not a tee shirt, flannel combo)....so just give us what you want and we will give you 8-10 of our hard earned dollars.

Agreed. If the movie is done right, with the right Director and the right cast, it will be major. But they need to start with a filmmaker who knows the property. Bring in Bruce Timm, his JL/JLU animated was amazing and then bring in a fan favorite like Welling. You don't need to have huge A-listers to man this project but you need the people who have worked tiredly making this character famous.

KNOKOUT PIMP said: Superman Returns sucked it should be Tom Welling.

And on that note, remember kids :wink: if you would like to see Welling for the part of Superman, please sign the petition to the WB. It is currently at 1070 signature and it is growing fast!!! Here is the link for those supporting the cause:

http://www.petitiononline.com/TW4SinJL/petition.html

[jrod1019]

SuperSkeptic4/24/08 @ 7:21 pmBrandon Routh was an awesome Superman. You kids are taking Reeve as some kind of barometer and counting any difference between the two(even superficial & cosmetic crap) and counting that against Routh.
[quote]SuperSkeptic said:
I'm sorry what! Routh was awesome Superman really dude looked like he had no emotion to that role. Just like Kate Bosworth playing Lois Lane looked more like "How long do I got to do this before I get my paycheck". The only one actor that I enjoyed watching throughout the whole movie was Kevin Spacey now he did pull off a better Lex than Gene Hackman. And you saying that Reeve was not perfect I agree but at least he put a better emotion into the role allot more than Routh ever did. And it doesn?t matter if Reeve was dead Routh didn't bring on his A-game it looked like he posed allot more as GQ Superman.
That one scene at the end of Superman (Reeve) when he sees Lois dead was enough to give a guy shivers; it showed he had raw emotion in that scene when flew off angry. His first movie as Superman did a whole lot better than Routh did.

And please Superman should have died at the end of Superman Returns flying off with an island of kryptonite. A small rock of that stuff renders him useless but an Island! It's as bad as Superman 4 The Quest for Peace carrying that girl into space and not dying.
Oh did we also forget about Super peeping Tom throughout the whole movie. A freaking kid hinting it was Superman's son hhmmmm maybe it was the girl he hooked up in Superman 3 with Richard Pryor.
There was no explanation to why the Fortress of Solitude looked like Blackened Chicken. Unless you watch Superman 2 The Directors Cut but not everyone saw that.
The lack of consistence lacked throughout the whole movie if there basing it out of Superman 1 & 2.

The only thing cool about that movie that I did enjoy were the special effects. Other than that it will sit right next to Batman and Robin and between Godzilla the American version from the $5 dollar bin collection.
But hey that's just my opinion. I can only hope that the next will be better than the first.

[jrod1019]

My bad SuperSkeptic made a an error newbie citation.
SuperSkeptic said:

[imported_CX3]

SuperSkeptic said:Superman Returns was not perfect(what film IS?!) but calling that script "weak" is a bit of a stretch.

Superman lifted an ISLAND of kryptonite... And island... He didn't lift it 50-100 ft (which he still shouldn't be able to do anyways) No he lifted it and flew it off of our planet. Once again, this is an island of kryptonite. When in other movies/shows/comics just a little piece of Kryptonite would put Supes down on the ground.

But no, for some reason the WB said "Ya know what, Lets makes Superman fly an ISLAND of his only weakness off the water and into space. Yeah, fans will love that."

Fans Response: "Cool... Ummmm... So what could POSSIBLY kill Superman now seeing that an ISLAND of kryonite couldn't get the job done..?"

Dumb dumb dumb movie.


SuperSkeptic... Are you serious??

[ModeMan]

Am I the only one who finds it amusing that everyone who decries Brandon Routhe as a bad actor thinks that he should be replaced by Tom Welling?

You guys... I know you're big fans of Welling and of Smallville. And I know he's pretty and I know the show is fun. But, c'mon. The guy is clearly a student of the Hayden Christensen school of acting. I mean Welling is great for a CW teeny fantasy "Buffy" style show, but the guy is a terrible actor. And, as much fun as it can be from time to time, Smallville is a pretty stupid show.

Smallville and Welling should never be, in any way, associated with Superman on the big screen. Complain about Routhe and call for him to be replaced if you want. You may have a case for that. But your credibility falls apart entirely when you praise a Tiger Beat, cardboard little tool like Welling. Go watch The Fog.

[The Xenos]

I kind of feel similar as to Christian. We've been doing a great job representing Superman and Batman.

Well, I'd say Routh himself has done as good as he possibly can. He himself was an excellent Superman. Yet the people writing and making the Superman movies, I think, have totally failed. They made a sequel to a 30 year old movie and even that doesn't make sense to the movie it follows, never mind compared to Batman Begins.

Then again, this is Warners. They had three or four totally separate DCU cartoon series that contradicted each other on at the same time. (JLU, The Batman, and Teen Titans) Is anyone at Warners and DC keeping track of these characters?