The Superman Question

[TrekSucksHard]

OK, let's say if you were an alien sent to earth with the powers of God- would you disguise yourself as an inferior?

This has always been the main question why I never liked Superman- as comic book history he is of course the grandfather of them all (if you disregard the fact that Shuster and Siegel ripped off Phillip Wylie's Gladiator- which is the book Supes was based on) but it doesn't conform to reality.

To put it quite simply, Supes could rule the world if he wanted to- if he really wanted to guide mankind to do good all he has to do is create an empire to do it- he has the power to anyway. Why respond to rescuing people from fires and stopping bankrobbers when he could make changes on a global scale? The entire concept of an anteater becoming an ant is part of the process here- an analogy is like if Supes was a man and we were all ants living in an anthill, why would he lower himself to be an insect?

[neglet]

Maybe because he grew up in an anthill and didn't know he was a man until he was older, by which time he had grown to love his fellow ants?

God, I hate this color scheme. It makes my eyeballs twitch.

[ladymurasaki]

How, in the movie, does Lois Lane know that her son is Superman's, if she supposedly has no memory of him also being Clark Kent? Are we to understand that at some point she also had sex with Superman, and that she remembers this?

[LeiterCIA]

How, in the movie, does Lois Lane know that her son is Superman's, if she supposedly has no memory of him also being Clark Kent? Are we to understand that at some point she also had sex with Superman, and that she remembers this?

I had considered this too. At the end of Superman 2, we see the lesser-known super-power, the 'Kiss of Forgetfulness'. Didn't she forget the whole episode?

As to, 'How, in the movie, does Lois Lane know that her son is Superman's'...

Watching him throw a piano across the room would have been a tip-off. ;)

[ladymurasaki]

I had considered this too. At the end of Superman 2, we see the lesser-known super-power, the 'Kiss of Forgetfulness'. Didn't she forget the whole episode?

As to, 'How, in the movie, does Lois Lane know that her son is Superman's'...

Watching him throw a piano across the room would have been a tip-off. ;)

Ah, yes. That would have been a tip-off! I sort of assumed she knew before that, but maybe not.

Well, if we get a sequel, maybe we will get answers.

[LeiterCIA]

Ah, yes. That would have been a tip-off! I sort of assumed she knew before that, but maybe not.

I was playing with you of course, but yeah, like you said -- something had to have happened previously that would let her know who the father must be. Beats a paternity test.

[Bill_the_Pony]

That brings up two things about movies I and II that annoyed me....in I, Supes turns back time, to bring Lois back to life, and effectively cleaning up all the earthquake damage. In II, it was "the Kiss of Forgetfulness".

They BOTH seemed like a cheap way to wrap it all up in a few seconds, but it also kind of cheapens everything that happens up to that point.

And, if those are the cases, all Supes ever really has to do to right a wrong is to turn back time or kiss someone.

Oh, the things one could get away with. :eyebrow:

[ladymurasaki]

I was playing with you of course, but yeah, like you said -- something had to have happened previously that would let her know who the father must be. Beats a paternity test.

Given the problems the hospital had inserting an IV, I have to wonder what havoc a DNA test for a half-Kryptonian would do to lab equipment! Then again, given the poor kid's asthma, perhaps nothing would look out of the ordinary. It's fun to speculate!

On a somewhat related note . . . why is young Clark wearing glasses?

[ladymurasaki]

That brings up two things about movies I and II that annoyed me....in I, Supes turns back time, to bring Lois back to life, and effectively cleaning up all the earthquake damage. In II, it was "the Kiss of Forgetfulness".

They BOTH seemed like a cheap way to wrap it all up in a few seconds, but it also kind of cheapens everything that happens up to that point.

And, if those are the cases, all Supes ever really has to do to right a wrong is to turn back time or kiss someone.

Oh, the things one could get away with. :eyebrow:

It's nice to see you Bill (and I hope you start painting again soon). ;-)

I think I read somewhere that the "turning back time" thing was supposed to go in Donner's version of Superman II, but since it was ultimately used in Superman II, the new director had to come up with some other sort of "forgetting" power. I'll be really curious to see what is included on the Donner cut of SII when it's released later this year.

The one good thing about the "turning back time" power is that it didn't come without a cost; weren't Zod etc. released because Superman turned back time? As in, wasn't that the repercussion?

[LeiterCIA]

Given the problems the hospital had inserting an IV, I have to wonder what havoc a DNA test for a half-Kryptonian would do to lab equipment! Then again, given the poor kid's asthma, perhaps nothing would look out of the ordinary. It's fun to speculate! The scene with the hypo breaking on Superman's skin, made you have to ask what the hospital was going to do for Superman anyway. Setting him outside to catch some rays would have been better, but I guess who knew.

On a somewhat related note . . . why is young Clark wearing glasses? Good question.

[Belledame]

Young Clark wears glasses because he needs them, doesn't he? His powers developed as he aged. He didn't land in the rocket with all that going on. We see him doing his mega-leaps and then he learns by accident that he can defy gravity. He must not have been able to levitate before. From there we can assume he began learning to master flight.

[LeiterCIA]

I think the whole idea of Superman gaining his poweres at puberty is something that happened around the 'Smallville' era. I dont think that concept happened before that.

[Cooper]

Superman also slowly gained his powers in the comic revisioning that John Byrne did back in the 80's. Also, that Clark was not an outcast... he was a big football hero at Smallville High.

However, in Donner's Superman, the baby Clark/ Kal-el has his powers as soon as he leaves the ship. We see him lift up the car right away. ...ofcourse, you could argue that the strength was there but the flying came later.

The glasses on young Clark in Superman Returns seemed wrong to me. I always viewed them strictly as a disguise. No need to disguise himself when he was a kid in Smallville.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, was my hundredth post. I hope you enjoyed it.

[Bark]

It's nice to see you Bill (and I hope you start painting again soon). ;-)

I think I read somewhere that the "turning back time" thing was supposed to go in Donner's version of Superman II, but since it was ultimately used in Superman II, the new director had to come up with some other sort of "forgetting" power. I'll be really curious to see what is included on the Donner cut of SII when it's released later this year.

The one good thing about the "turning back time" power is that it didn't come without a cost; weren't Zod etc. released because Superman turned back time? As in, wasn't that the repercussion?

http://jackwolak.com/12pd/1656.jpg

[Bill_the_Pony]

THAT's a new look for him. :(

[ladymurasaki]

Well, I'm definitely missing the reference, I'm afraid.

[omicron]

This (http://www.lyricsstyle.com/c/cher/ificouldturnbacktime.html) should answer your questions :)


Omi

[Bark]

Hey, it could have been worse. I could have put a picture of her tatooed ass on here instead. :lol:

[ladymurasaki]

Do I ever feel dense!

Thanks for a huge belated laugh. :-)

[jayce78]

OK, let's say if you were an alien sent to earth with the powers of God- would you disguise yourself as an inferior?

This has always been the main question why I never liked Superman- as comic book history he is of course the grandfather of them all (if you disregard the fact that Shuster and Siegel ripped off Phillip Wylie's Gladiator- which is the book Supes was based on) but it doesn't conform to reality.

To put it quite simply, Supes could rule the world if he wanted to- if he really wanted to guide mankind to do good all he has to do is create an empire to do it- he has the power to anyway. Why respond to rescuing people from fires and stopping bankrobbers when he could make changes on a global scale? The entire concept of an anteater becoming an ant is part of the process here- an analogy is like if Supes was a man and we were all ants living in an anthill, why would he lower himself to be an insect?

Jorel says:

''Two reason's You must keep yor secret idenity , First you cannot serve Humanity 28 hrs. a day , and lastly because your help would be called for endlessly. Even for those tasks with men could solve themselves.''


''It is forrbidden to interfer in human history!! It is FORBIDDEN ININININ!!!!!"

[sickness]

Prime Directive, baby!

[jayce78]

Yea, but he isn't affecting the world order or telling hummanity how to progress , just influencing them through his leadership and example.


He is not a dictator , just a guideing light for good.


Jorel says:

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''For this reason I have sent them you , my only son''. ''Can I get some more F-ing water over here!!''