Ophicus and other serpentine symbols [Archive] - Mania Forums - Science Fiction, Fantasy, and Horror Entertainment

ProfessorW

10-31-2008, 08:03 AM

... I'd never heard about Lucian of Taramasalata, but I think Glykon is what I believe you Americans would call a party-pooper, an iconoclast who dares to question the historical veracity of recent Burke and Hare activities in our favourite location. Many considered Schliemann a charlatan until he delivered the treasures of Troy. More power to Glykon's and Ophicus' elbow. The comforting aspect of truth is that it stands up to scrutiny. Those who question established "truths" should always be granted an audience. So much written about the great BS has proved to be BS...

StellaMaris

11-03-2008, 12:54 AM

There's an awful lot of BS around, but that doesn't make it any less fun to investigate it - in fact, that's half the fun. Maybe it's because I spent most of my life surrounded by it in the music business, that I take the BS for granted.

It's just a shame that this genre is tainted with so much viciousness now. It didn't used to be like that back in the old days. We might not have always agreed, but we were always civil to each other.

Anyway, this discussion appears to have bi-located... here's the url to the other discussion, the article incorporates the relevant urls that we are discussing:

http://www.mania.com/235-degrees-bloodline-bloodbath_article_110882.html

I really must learn how to do the html thing...

ProfessorW

11-04-2008, 04:32 AM

When Oliver Stone's "JFK" was released in 1991, many people questioned the use and ethics of a Hollywood director taking one of the most tragic stories ever told, and realistically filming events in such a way which made the viewer arrive at certain conclusions about what had actually happened. Maybe not quite on the same scale, a documentary film was released earlier this year which purported to unveil the fact that the greatest story ever told was a lie. It now transpires that certain of the scenes in the documentary had been "re-enacted" (but most definitely not faked). However, all other scenes in the movie happened ostensibly in real, unadjusted time. How much credence would one give to such a documentary?

At least Oliver Stone had the decency to admit that he had created a work of fiction, his interpretation of what had happened. If someone is prepared to re-enact a scene in a documentary for dramatic effect, it begs the question as to whether such a documentary was made to unveil a truth or had ulterior motives. Thanks to a mysterious serpent-holder we now have a new question: "What if a documentary purporting to unveil that the greatest story ever told was a lie was itself not what it seems?"

StellaMaris

11-04-2008, 11:46 PM

I hate to sound like a smart-ass, but I'm going to quote myself from my rather prophetic review again:

'Therefore it's ironic that the film begins with a quote from The Gospel of Thomas, "Do not tell lies, for there is nothing that will not be revealed."'

Most seasoned "Priory of Sion" investigators have seen this pattern emerge over and over so many times that we cease to take ANYTHING seriously anymore. For us, it's nothing more than performance art... street theatre.

This doesn't make the saga any less enjoyable... in fact, I'm finding the unfolding soap opera drama highly entertaining.

I can't wait to see what happens next!:popcorn:

Rosenbaum

11-05-2008, 05:40 AM

I apologize if I have arrived at the wrong site, but I am new to these things. My passion is bee-keeping (my parents even named me after a bee). I keep several small hives and am interested in anything to do with bees. Recently I came across a web-site, which has many interesting articles about the history of bees and bee/honey related matters. While looking at this new web-site, which is named after a Greek province, I saw many links to matters which appear to have no connection whatsoever with bee-keeping. I downloaded a film advertised on this other site called "Bloodline" and when I watched the movie I couldn't see any connection with bees. I noticed that people on your site seem to be very interested in the film. Does it have anything to do with bees? Was the mysterious French priest featured in the film a bee-keeper? From what I could tell it was just a home-movie about some clueless men and a woman pretending to find a secret tomb somewhere in France. If this film is a spoof (which I suspect), then I feel it is very sad that this other bee-keeping web-site doesn't explain that Bloodline not only has no connection with bee-keeping, but that the film it recommended is a huge joke. Had the film not been made in such a ham-fisted way, I might have found it quite scary. I certainly won't be recommending it to any of my other bee-keeping friends! I am always more than happy to have contact with other "puffers" who share my passion for the wonderful world of bees, but I certainly don't want to see any more school-boy prank films with no connection whatsoever with one of God's greatest gifts to the world. I feel a little bit stung by the whole experience!:ohwell:

Abeline

Berlioz

11-05-2008, 08:54 AM

I don't know anything about bees, but I saw this link and thought it might be interesting today for anyone interested in insane coincidences:

http://www.jcrows.com/historylesson.html

ProfessorW

11-07-2008, 08:41 AM

Mania was the last site on earth I expected to see reference to the Gospel of Saint Thomas! For anyone who wants a real mind-trip, it's worth taking a look at - especially when you realize that Bible historians are now saying that it was written before the Gospel of Saint John and that it was removed from the New Testament because it was too controversial...

hookdaveuser

11-11-2008, 08:48 AM

I think you should try this one it gonna very to you. Just check this at least one time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2JuZiZGlAU

"Mitzi Gaynor – Razzle Dazzle! The Special Years" – Releasing on November 18th features the ultimate collection of song and dance performances from Gaynor's classic network television specials and numbers choreographed by some of film and theatrical dance world's most influential choreographers, including Peter Gennaro, Danny Daniels, Robert Sidney and Tony Charmoli and new interviews with Gaynor herself, world renowned Emmy® winning costume designer Bob Mackie, Tony-winner Kristin Chenoweth, director/choreographer Tony Charmoli, dancers Alton Ruff and Randy Doney (who performed with Mitzi on the road and in her TV specials), Carl Reiner, Rex Reed and Kelli O'Hara. . http://www.amazon.com/Mitzi-Gaynor-Razzle-Dazzle-Special/dp/B001CDL6R0

StellaMaris

11-16-2008, 02:34 AM

It's perverse that the spammers are able to register and post with ease, while the rest of us struggle!

ProfessorW

02-07-2009, 10:03 AM

It's a while since I asked the question about the mysterious Ophicus group. Their web-site is still "under construction", but still no news from them. Odd.

ProfessorW

02-09-2009, 03:12 PM

... and now the site has completely disappeared. Curious. Maybe it was only a mirage...

ProfessorW

02-25-2009, 10:23 AM

... it's back, but still "under construction"!

RogerXXII

03-03-2009, 04:30 PM

... it's back, but still "under construction"!

Having just visited, it's now showing some photos purporting to prove that "Ben Hammott's tomb" is somewhere or other... Very strange people.

StellaMaris

03-05-2009, 12:00 PM

So, where are these photos, then... I can't find anything on the site. Have you managed to access their Index?? Naughty boy...

RogerXXII

03-05-2009, 03:49 PM

I don't think so.... merely followed the link.
Perhaps it changes daily? At the whim of Mr. Glykon?

StellaMaris

03-06-2009, 12:36 AM

I must be obtuse, I don't see any links.

Every once in a while we ping them to see if they're paying attention, but we don't seem to be on their radar. Which suits me fine, as we prefer to remain invisible.

But I'll tell you something that amused me about Mr Glykon's story (which will give you an idea of how easily amused I am)... in his account, there was a meeting at The Lamb pub in Lamb's Conduit Street here in London.

As this is an EXTREMELY significant pub, it really got me wondering if this location was chosen at random or by someone who knew the significance.

Am I sad or what?

wertham

03-09-2009, 11:33 AM

It's perverse that the spammers are able to register and post with ease, while the rest of us struggle!

Call the Moderator? :headscratch:

Um, 13th sign of the zodiac...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3311/3341323841_614647d890_o.jpg

Where do you talk about the Hendaye Cross?

RogerXXII

04-06-2009, 04:29 PM

It's back:

http://www.ophicus.co.uk/article1.html

ProfessorW

04-07-2009, 04:57 AM

This is a very distressing article. Is nothing sacred? They'll be saying that "ET" was not based on historical events next! People should be less distrusting and rely more on instinct rather than being over-analytical.

RogerXXII

04-07-2009, 01:05 PM

I see it as less distressing than pointless, like much of the entire exercise.

StellaMaris

04-09-2009, 12:36 AM

Hi Roger... you must have read my mind, I was just thinking about that website over the weekend. It looks like they moved servers?

I think I might ask one of my friends to go up there and see what's what...

BTW, did you notice that the gylph they use in their little crests is the same glyph that's on the cover page of the SERPENT Rouge?

:wink:

RogerXXII

04-15-2009, 05:30 PM

Yes, it's the same glyph, of course, it's been discussed at length on the Arcadia forum and no doubt Glykon still monitors it dutifully.

I say it's the Crista, and Tim swears it's the sigil of the Servites. I keep telling him he sees letters where there is only a squashed down and stylized object... But try to tell him anything!

StellaMaris

04-17-2009, 01:21 AM

I don't follow the Arcadia forum very closely... I see the letters S and M as well, underscored by a tibia bone (or is it a femur?).

But what I find most interesting about the way the pranksters have adapted this glyph for the Serpent Rouge cover page is how they relate it to the Rosa Crux equal-armed cross surrounded by 36 circles (36=3x12) with the P correctly positioned at the top (north) and the S at the bottom (south), delineating the Meridian.

BTW, have you seen the new material here?:-

http://www.ophicus.co.uk/article1.html

We've got Herrings in place investigating now... will let you know what we find out, if anything.

RogerXXII

04-19-2009, 04:44 PM

I don't think this is new material, as I think it was posted on there some time ago, it merely "re-appeared"...

I don't see an M and S as clearly defined in the Servite sigil elsewhere, What I see is a device often used on Merovingian coins, and squashed down to "fit" as a logo in a circular seal-like device. The differences are there. But perhaps I'm too close to it and imagining it, or I'm right and others can't see it as readily because they haven't looked at the original enough?

StellaMaris

04-21-2009, 08:13 AM

So, what is the "original" that you're referring to??

RogerXXII

04-21-2009, 06:09 PM

So, what is the "original" that you're referring to??

The one on Merovingian coins, starting in Childeric II's reign, and afterwards.

StellaMaris

04-22-2009, 12:30 AM

Hmm, I think you might have to give me a url... I did a quick Google and all I could find were coins of Childeric with a bad haircut.

BTW, did you know that Merovingian coins were found at Sutton Hoo and other British sites? There is a very interesting Merovingian section in the British Museum, if you ever come to London...

RogerXXII

04-22-2009, 07:43 AM

Yes, in fact some of those coins bear that very symbol.
Childeric with a bad haircut? You blaspheme, woman!
That man never had a haircut in his entire life!

StellaMaris

04-23-2009, 12:52 AM

RogerXXII

04-23-2009, 11:28 AM

Sorry, I should have said "bad hairstyle"... of course the Merovingians were the original hippies!

Hmm, I haven't been to the British Museum for a while... maybe I should just go up there and look at the coins in person?

Could say hi to the Sekhmets and take a look into John Dee's magic mirror while I'm at it... I suppose I can always ask a curator what the secret Merovingian hippie sign is supposed to be, if you won't tell me.

I still think it's an M, but I'm willing to keep an open mind while I go through the process... afterall, the process is half the fun.

Hmm.. I would agree that the process is a lot of fun, but not in the case of errant Sekhmets, since it requires the prolonged proximity to silver-haired dwarfs from the middle earth.

Let me see if I can link you to a decent coin representation of the hippie PAX sign of aulde...

Here's one, albeit it's upside down:
http://66.92.117.75/coinimages/19001949/1949/1949.49.4.both.jpg

Hre's another, from Sutton Hoo, you can go look at de vivo, as it were, also upside down (the "crests" are supposed to be on top):
http://www.colchestertreasurehunting.co.uk/s/suttonhoo12.jpg

The particular hippies these came from, though, were not known for their laid-back easy-going nature.

StellaMaris

04-25-2009, 12:35 AM

Oi! Lay off my Sekhmets! I'm particularly attached to the British Museum ones, even though they're... er, stolen.

Thanks for the urls... I have to say, on first impression, that your hippie PAX glyph looks a bit like... serpents? There's definitely a solar cross thing going on with one of the coins.

Okay, I'm now sufficiently intrigued enough to see if I can look at one of these coins in person at the BM, maybe even track down a handy curator to see what the "official" explanation is.

In the meantime, here's a nice Sekhmet story for you to enjoy, complete with a photo of me with the aforementioned BM Sekhmet bathed in the celestial light of the goddess. You might even recognise some of the characters!:-

http://www.mania.com/235-degrees-sanguineous-sekhmet-saga_article_58366.html

MortemForay

04-25-2009, 01:01 AM

Could say hi to the Sekhmets and take a look into John Dee's magic mirror while I'm at it...

Ah..!

That reminds me, I must send the Mice in to view the Mirror.

I'm sure it reflects more than just the light...

RogerXXII

04-25-2009, 07:16 AM

I know that Sekhmet story... I'm rather intrigued by the nick-name "The Wolf", however... Wouldn't "the fat lil hedgehog" have been more appropriate?

StellaMaris

04-25-2009, 10:04 AM

I suppose I should take this opportunity to introduce you two to each other, which is going to be a bit surreal since I have no idea who either of you are.

But, hey, welcome back, Mort... long time, no read! Let me introduce you to Roger. Roger, this is Mort.

Mort's pseudonym anagrams to either "Art of Memory" or "Romeo Fart", depending on which subliminal message you're trying to transmit. He has a thing about Mice and Hermetic Archetypes.

Uh... the only interesting thing I can say about Roger's pseudonym is that it's almost a palindrome... sorry, Roger, you're not giving me much to work with here. But Roger likes cartoon characters and obscure glyphs.

So, we should all get along just fine!

MortemForay

04-25-2009, 04:24 PM

Roger of the Romans, I salute you! :)

Oi! Lay off my Sekhmets! I'm particularly attached to the British Museum ones, even though they're... er, stolen.

Thanks for the urls... I have to say, on first impression, that your hippie PAX glyph looks a bit like... serpents? There's definitely a solar cross thing going on with one of the coins.

Okay, I'm now sufficiently intrigued enough to see if I can look at one of these coins in person at the BM, maybe even track down a handy curator to see what the "official" explanation is.

A local genius may indeed shed some light on this matter...

...or maybe a winged genius can inspire too?

PS - Since returning from the Museum the Mice and the Snakes have now initiated an understanding.

StellaMaris

04-26-2009, 07:49 AM

Hey Roger... I realise now that you've found all my nooks and crannies!

As for The Wolf... wasn't there a French family called Lupé or something similar?

Anyway, I've now come across TWO people with the "magickal" moniker of The Wolf... it appears to designate someone who considers themselves as a "Guardian" of a location or information.

Conveniently, The Wolf also corresponds with the 27th Path, if that helps...

StellaMaris

04-26-2009, 07:57 AM

A local genius may indeed shed some light on this matter...

...or maybe a winged genius can inspire too?

PS - Since returning from the Museum the Mice and the Snakes have now initiated an understanding.

So, Mort... are you saying that you think that Roger's hippie PAX symbol could be related to Mercury? Did the Merovingians acknowledge Mercury? Or have I got this all wrong? (I can almost hear Roger groaning in despair.)

If I'd known the Mice were going to the BM yesterday, I would have popped over to say hi. Apparently if you align John Dee's obsidian mirror at a 23.5 degree angle to the obsidian mirror in the Aztec dept, this creates a portal bang in the middle of the round room where the British Library used to be...

It's useful that they've befriended the Snakes, though... you never know when a Snake will come in handy.

And I can't believe that we actually managed to return the to subject of this thread...!

RogerXXII

04-26-2009, 09:49 AM

Mort's psedonym can also be rendered as Roma Forte, which - to the more paranoid mice - could indicate an agent of te Curia....

All kidding aside, I don't think you want Mercury, I think you want Apollo.

StellaMaris

04-27-2009, 12:32 AM

I think I want Apollo, as well... I'm going through a Solar Deity phase at the moment (must be all the sunshine we've been getting in London lately!).

Besides, he's the precursor archetype to Michael, my absolute favourite Archangel...

But, how does the hippie PAX symbol relate to Apollo???

And please be careful not to upset The Mice...

RogerXXII

04-27-2009, 01:06 AM

Well if it comes down to picking Archangels, I think Michael is indeed a very wise choice. Certain dark lords seem to prefer Gabriel, but they're just blowing their own horns.

The hippie PAX symbol has a long crooked tale. It seems to have come from the Temple of Apollo (but I call him Solly) on the plaine du Lendit.

I'll tell you one thing about this glyph... If you're going to do battle at a crucial bridge to Rome, that's the ticket you want!

The Mice are already upset, they're telling me that they want better work conditions.

StellaMaris

04-27-2009, 02:56 PM

The Mice are already upset, they're telling me that they want better work conditions.

They get breadcrumbs and hyper-dimensional mouse holes, what more do they want?

Anyway, my meeting downtown finished early today so, true to my word, I went to the British Museum, where The Mice were extremely accommodating. For the fee of half a granola bar they escorted me all around the medieval coin section... where the crowning glory was getting to see a coin with Constantine himself on the front.

RogerXXII

04-29-2009, 12:10 PM

1/2 a granola bar... must be California mice....

Did they show you the "baguette magique" too, or just the murderous Emperor?

StellaMaris

05-03-2009, 05:26 AM

1/2 a granola bar... must be California mice....

They're hyper-dimensional, bi-lingual mice...

Did they show you the "baguette magique" too, or just the murderous Emperor?

Oh, nooooooooo... we're not back to the "baguette magique" again? Do we DARE go there?!

RogerXXII

05-03-2009, 09:38 AM

Oh, nooooooooo... we're not back to the "baguette magique" again? Do we DARE go there?!

Let's not, and just say we did...:popcorn:

But I can see how either ill-intentioned or ill-informed people could transform a "baguette magique" into a story about "portals"...:eyebrow:

StellaMaris

05-04-2009, 01:25 AM

But I can see how either ill-intentioned or ill-informed people could transform a "baguette magique" into a story about "portals"...:eyebrow:

And now you've gone and upset The Mice again! A hyper-dimensional mouse-hole IS a type of "portal", of course... :wink:

Okay, so maybe now you can see how my obscure sense of humour gets me into trouble? Someday I'll tell you my Flamel joke... it's hysterical.