Ronald Reagan Limited Issue Dime Offer

[Asonokirk V 2.0]

I saw a commercial on TV yesterday for a new dime coin, featuring Ronald Reagan's likeness on one side. The ad/offer said only so many (I forgot the number) would be made, and then the mold would be destroyed.
For the special TV rate of 10 dollars (if you act now!), you can have one. The normal price is 20 dollars, said the commercial.

Now, let me see if I got this right. You give them 10 dollars, they give you 10 cents.

What frustrates me is that people will be buying these things, and they will think they are making either an "investment," or that they loved Reagan so much, they're willing to lose money for a keepsake.

I can only shake my head and wonder if the majority of people will someday wake up, and stop behaving like sheep. I can only hope that will happen, but the odds don't appear to be in favor of it.

[southpaw]

I'm gonna get the Stephen Colbert Quarter.

[Metuzalem]

When they roll out the Chuck Norris Nickel someone let me know.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v731/Metuzalem/Chuck.jpg

[DaForce]

I saw a commercial on TV yesterday for a new dime coin, featuring Ronald Reagan's likeness on one side. The ad/offer said only so many (I forgot the number) would be made, and then the mold would be destroyed.
For the special TV rate of 10 dollars (if you act now!), you can have one. The normal price is 20 dollars, said the commercial.

Now, let me see if I got this right. You give them 10 dollars, they give you 10 cents.

What frustrates me is that people will be buying these things, and they will think they are making either an "investment," or that they loved Reagan so much, they're willing to lose money for a keepsake.

I can only shake my head and wonder if the majority of people will someday wake up, and stop behaving like sheep. I can only hope that will happen, but the odds don't appear to be in favor of it.


I just wonder if the engraving has Ronnie rear-ending the average American citizen. That would be worth the money then!!

:D

[Sgt. Awesome]

We do that all the time in Canada... infact we had commemorative coins for... Remembrance Day, Breast Cancer, Febuary, and many many others.

[Nostromo]

Dime, shmime. Put RWR on a bank note. His accomplishments in office
tower over those of some of the other guys inked on the front of greenbacks.
N:)

[Asonokirk V 2.0]

We do that all the time in Canada... infact we had commemorative coins for... Remembrance Day, Breast Cancer, Febuary, and many many others.

There are a lot of commemorative coins, and some are valuable and some people get some enjoyment from them. But this commercial just stepped over that invisible line between offering something, and outright conning people into giving away money. I mean, I give you a dime, you give me ten bucks. How are you not behaving irrationally? Paying 100 times the value of something in order to have it is just a bit too far past the line between sense and stupidity. I know 10 bucks is not much money, but this is one of those "principle" issues with me.

I envy the people who are marketing this coin, as they are going to have some happy accountants and board members back at the old corporate HQ after the checks and credit card payments start rolling in. Nothing breeds job security like a happy Finance department.

[sickness]

Dime, shmime. Put RWR on a bank note. His accomplishments in office
tower over those of some of the other guys inked on the front of greenbacks.
N:)
So, would you care to explain how his accomplishments tower over those of the general who lead us to victory in the revolution and made the blueprint for the presidency, the father of the Declaration of Independence, the president who lead us through civil war, probably the most forward thinking cabinet member ever, the president who created the strong executive and took a stand against patronage in our government, a tremendous CW general who was also the first president when all men in the US were truly free (CW conditions on slaves having expired), and one of the fathers of the Constitution?

[sickness]

There are a lot of commemorative coins, and some are valuable and some people get some enjoyment from them. But this commercial just stepped over that invisible line between offering something, and outright conning people into giving away money. I mean, I give you a dime, you give me ten bucks. How are you not behaving irrationally? Paying 100 times the value of something in order to have it is just a bit too far past the line between sense and stupidity. I know 10 bucks is not much money, but this is one of those "principle" issues with me.

I envy the people who are marketing this coin, as they are going to have some happy accountants and board members back at the old corporate HQ after the checks and credit card payments start rolling in. Nothing breeds job security like a happy Finance department.
I hear what you're saying but this ain't even where the money is.

Today I noticed that we have a worktable classified as a capital asset. I'm not talking the CEO's desk, I'm talking about a particle board table covered in formica that has two 2-D legs each on 2 rollers. And it's labeled a capital asset. That means it cost the company more than $1000. If that table sells for more than $1000, I need to go into the corporate worktable business.

[Nostromo]

So, would you care to explain how his accomplishments tower over those of the general who lead us to victory in the revolution and made the blueprint for the presidency, the father of the Declaration of Independence, the president who lead us through civil war, probably the most forward thinking cabinet member ever, the president who created the strong executive and took a stand against patronage in our government, a tremendous CW general who was also the first president when all men in the US were truly free (CW conditions on slaves having expired), and one of the fathers of the Constitution?


Sickness: When I said "some" I was wrong. I should have said "one". It was a broad brush stroke on my part and a poor one which I regret. So you know, I'm among the minority who believe Lincoln was a bad president. An accidental president - who blundered into leadership - and a war that didn’t end slavery, but instead, drove it underground. It think if the thousands who died miserable deaths in the Civil War could have had a word about Selma and Birmingham in the 1950’s and 60’s, they would speak of sadness in their agreement.

Historic accounts that I'm familiar with, tell of Lincoln acknowledging that it was un-constitutional for the Federal government to take action against a state where slavery already existed. He was prepared however, to keep slavery from spreading further. To me, on that issue alone, Lincoln did compromise on slavery and in doing so, his position flew in the face of the the American Revolution which was fought to defend the idea that "all" men were created equal, not just the ones living outside the 13 colonies. If I’m wrong about this then I take full responsibility for my ignorance.

Regarding the Reagan era, his presidency is a good contrast to Lincoln’s time in office. Reagan was not his party’s second choice - and he was carried by states where voters embraced his policies not by an US vs. THEM ballot. Once in office, he remained straight as steel in his belief that compromise with the USSR, a sprawling "slave" state, threatened the freedom of the world.
Unlike Lincoln, and for that matter modern day presidents like Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon and Carter, Reagan did not seek to contain slavery, aka detente, he sought to crush it from within. The power of his conviction, backed by a strong military, weakend the resolve of the old guard Soviet leadership and empowered progressives and eventually the Soviet people themselves to turn the page. No civil war. No mutually assured destruction.

Anyway, all of that said, I believe Reagan is on record stating he liked Lincoln. At this point, I'm probably running on, a symptom of age and being set in ones ways. I admire you for speaking up and out, and for not just taking whatever comes across the plate.

Best
N

[sickness]

Lincoln certainly wasn't without fault but the fact that he guided us from near destruction to reconciliation in less than 4 years counts for something I believe. He was also an architect of many of the ideas that allowed that reconciliation to cement into ties that bind. Sure such moves set back true equality for all men by a significant amount of time but without them, I believe a second and final Civil War was in the offing. I'm curious to know what the world would be like had we not reformed or had it only been temporary.

[tstone]

As a foreign policy prez, Reagan was pretty good. As commander in chief, he was great in taking care of the military. He SUCKED in domestic policy. Absolutely blew.

[Son of Gilbert]

Reagan also is to blame for the god awful drug policies that is still backwards today.

[Bill_the_Pony]

Their entire primitive concept of what this country should be cripples us to this day.

[Nostromo]

:wink: Reagan also is to blame for the god awful drug policies that is still backwards today.


Out of curiosity, are you saying the anti-drug policy is bad in general or, the
"just say NO" aspect of the drug education program is? N

[Nostromo]

Their entire primitive concept of what this country should be cripples us to this day.


What is that concept? I'm asking as an interested foreigner. And what do you propose in its place.
N

[Son of Gilbert]

:wink:


Out of curiosity, are you saying the anti-drug policy is bad in general or, the
"just say NO" aspect of the drug education program is? N


I was referring to the poor drug laws that Reagan put into effect. And since you brought up "Just Say No" programs, My generation was brought up during this time and I would say that it hasn't been to effective. Pot is is the mainstream pop culture every day, Meth use is one of the soaring problems in the South and Mid West States. If any thing the anti drug programs just exposed kids to drugs at an earlier age. Sure MOST drugs are bad, but he laws Reagan put into effect were back wards. When someone selling 20 dollars worth of crack would go to jail for 4 years, and a person caught selling $100,000 worth of coke would be sentenced to less than a year in jail or maybe just a fine.

Check out a Documentery call the "Drug Years"

[southpaw]

I was referring to the poor drug laws that Reagan put into effect. And since you brought up "Just Say No" programs, My generation was brought up during this time and I would say that it hasn't been to effective. Pot is is the mainstream pop culture every day, Meth use is one of the soaring problems in the South and Mid West States. If any thing the anti drug programs just exposed kids to drugs at an earlier age. Sure MOST drugs are bad, but he laws Reagan put into effect were back wards. When someone selling 20 dollars worth of crack would go to jail for 4 years, and a person caught selling $100,000 worth of coke would be sentenced to less than a year in jail or maybe just a fine.

Check out a Documentery call the "Drug Years"






You are SO high right now.

[Intelligent_Design]

Sure MOST drugs are bad, but he laws Reagan put into effect were back wards. When someone selling 20 dollars worth of crack would go to jail for 4 years, and a person caught selling $100,000 worth of coke would be sentenced to less than a year in jail or maybe just a fine.

Check out a Documentery call the "Drug Years"


Drug Sales can't be taxed. Anything that can't be taxed is illegal. Think about it.

[sickness]

Drug sales can be taxed if you legitimize it and drive it out into the light.

[Nostromo]

I was referring to the poor drug laws that Reagan put into effect. And since you brought up "Just Say No" programs, My generation was brought up during this time and I would say that it hasn't been to effective. Pot is is the mainstream pop culture every day, Meth use is one of the soaring problems in the South and Mid West States. If any thing the anti drug programs just exposed kids to drugs at an earlier age. Sure MOST drugs are bad, but he laws Reagan put into effect were back wards. When someone selling 20 dollars worth of crack would go to jail for 4 years, and a person caught selling $100,000 worth of coke would be sentenced to less than a year in jail or maybe just a fine.

Check out a Documentery call the "Drug Years"

Check this out. N

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/pubs/drugs-drogues/fs-fi/international_e.html

[Intelligent_Design]

Drug sales can be taxed if you legitimize it and drive it out into the light.

That won't stop illegitimate drug sales.

[sickness]

It will certainly reduce them by a significant amount. You don't exactly see the mafia in the alcohol business anymore, do ya?

[Space Tycoon]

Of course, you don't want to tax it too much. Then you end up with a black market, and the same damn problem as before--like we have with smuggled, tax-free cigarettes up here.





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[Intelligent_Design]

It will certainly reduce them by a significant amount. You don't exactly see the mafia in the alcohol business anymore, do ya?


No, they moved on to illegal drugs.:wink:

Of course, you don't want to tax it too much. Then you end up with a black market, and the same damn problem as before--like we have with smuggled, tax-free cigarettes up here.

You will always have blackmarket for drugs. Nothing will stop that.

[sickness]

No, they moved on to illegal drugs.:wink:



You will always have blackmarket for drugs. Nothing will stop that.
Exactly. They moved on because they couldn't compete with honest competition. Why risk getting your legs broken when a bar or a store will gladly sell to you and just throw you out if you can't pay?

Legalize drugs and the same thing happens with them.

And what exactly do you base this "you will always have a blackmarket for drugs" idea on?

[Intelligent_Design]

Exactly. They moved on because they couldn't compete with honest competition. Why risk getting your legs broken when a bar or a store will gladly sell to you and just throw you out if you can't pay?

You say that, I say they found something that was way more addictive to pedal. Hence larger profits. Something to try once and you are a customer for life. Alcohol legal or otherwise stood and stands no chance against that. Thats why the mafia moved to illegal drugs.

Legalize drugs and the same thing happens with them.

Maybe? But I doubt it.

And what exactly do you base this "you will always have a blackmarket for drugs" idea on?
There is a blackmarket for legal drugs now. Thats my basis.

[Space Tycoon]

I can't help but think that before too long, mind altering chemicals themselves will be superseded by brain-computer interface technology which will be able to simulate anything. i.e., Larry Niven's "wireheads."




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[Intelligent_Design]

I can't help but think that before too long, mind altering chemicals themselves will be superseded by brain-computer interface technology which will be able to simulate anything. i.e., Larry Niven's "wireheads."




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That sounds like the "tasp" that Niven wrote about in Ringworld. I wonder what he was smoking.:)

[Son of Gilbert]

Drug Sales can't be taxed. Anything that can't be taxed is illegal. Think about it.


Where I live YOU do have to buy a sales tax sticker for your drugs. It's sort of like the little stickers on cigarettes. Dealers are the ones who have to buy them, so if your busted they can also charge you with the tax also, if you don't have it. It's realy a bunch of BS.:dunno:

[Space Tycoon]

That sounds like the "tasp" that Niven wrote about in Ringworld. I wonder what he was smoking.:)

It was the spirit of the times, man.

All I know is, when they come on to the market, I want one.





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