Hot enough for ya? Gonna get hotter...

[Space Tycoon]

Global Warming much faster than previously thought... (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2016720,00.html)



Erik The Red's revenge! Greenland may be really green someday...

Kari Herbert grew up among the Inuits of Greenland. Thirty years on, pollution and global warming have forced her 'family' away
(http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article342030.ece)

[Jakester]

Hmmm...read State of Fear?

[Space Tycoon]

I have not. Is that by Crichton?

If it's the one I'm thinking of, it got some pretty bad reviews...

[kah]

We're usually pretty cold around here come Jan and Feb, but this year, we've got over 40 days above normal temps. And the highs have been almost as much as 10-15 degrees over normal. Not that I am complaining..

I thought I heard that Russia was going through some abnormally cold weather? Like on a sunny day it warms up to -20?

[Queen Mae]

I thought I heard that Russia was going through some abnormally cold weather? Like on a sunny day it warms up to -20?

Yeah, because it's usually so warm there this time of year :p The average temperature in January is something like -15.

[Minion]

A related little graph....because I love graphs. It's out of one of my Urban Transportation textbooks. Kind of surprising.

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/8990/scan9uy.jpg

Minion: Has to sit through this tomorrow...

[Lavoruis]

Yay! lets have it like the time of the Dinosaurs:
Constant Spring & Summer with 110% humidity:D
and jungle in everybody's back yard:p

[Jakester]

Basically, global warming is a myth. Anytime you have "a concensus of scientists," you need to be sceptical. Science is not a "concensus" field. Something is either proven, or disproven. Anything else is "maybe" because we simply do not know.

[Space Tycoon]

Whether it's getting warmer or hotter, I cannot definitely say with any certainty, beyond a reasonable doubt. But this preceding summer was, without a doubt, the hottest I can ever recall. And this is the warmest winter.

Whether or not climate change will culminate in a hothouse effect, or a ice age, (or one which leads to another), I also won't be able to tell you until about 2050 or so. By which time I may actually be in a long-term relationship with someone.

One thing I am convinced of, is that human activities are altering the weather, of that I have no doubt. And powerful interests in the government and industry will wait until the last possible moment to do anything about it--if indeed anything can be done.

[Jakester]

You may have no doubt about that, but science does. Seriously, read State of Fear. Crichton even includes mountains of references from scientific journals.

Seriously, I was on leaning more towards the "global warming" thing myself, but I read the book, followed up on some of the references, and, well, damn. I was being stupid.

If you check out the e-book, you get lots of bonus material -- some good speeches.

[Space Tycoon]

I'll give it the consideration it is due, after I get around to reading the umpteen other books I have sitting on the shelf collecting dust. Jurassic Park seemed very plausible too, but I still don't buy the idea of dinosaurs cloned from frogs.

[too bad there's no smirk smilie...]

[Space Tycoon]

Well, Jake, here's something that'll get your goat, no doubt...

Governor Schwarzenegger to push global warming fight
(http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2006/02/17/GREENHOUSE.TMP)

Sacramento -- Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's administration is expected this month to release a far-reaching proposal to combat global warming that calls for increasing the price of gasoline to fund research into alternative fuels and requiring industries for the first time to report the amount of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions they produce.

Nine months ago Schwarzenegger garnered international headlines by calling for California to mount an aggressive effort to address global warming. Now he faces the difficult part: shepherding new policies into place that could affect every car owner, farmer and big industry in the state.
.....

[Jakester]

Hey man, getting rid of gasoline and helping combat pollution is great, but still -- no one really knows if the earth is warming. Remember back in the 70s, we were headed for a global ice age and now 30 years later, it's global warming?! The fact is that we only know what the status is of a small percentage of the Earth's glaciers, and while some of them are melting, others are getting thicker. Ice is thickening in Antarctica while some of the ice in the North is melting.

You would expect that the largest city in the world New York City would be experiencing significantly higher temperatures year round because of a) global warming, and b) the city effect where the pavement and concrete reflects the heat and the city is thereby even warmer -- but guess what? It's not significantly warmer in NYC that it has been. In fact, in some places in NY State, it's now COLDER than it has previously been. How can it get globally warmer, but colder in one part of a state than another?

There is no global warming. Meteorologists can only remotely predict local weather patterns up to 72 hours in advance and even then, they often can't get it right. Global weather patterns are infinitely more complex, and yet, global warming proponents want us to think that scientists can accurately model global weather patterns 5, 10, 50, or 100 years into the future?

If someone were to discuss space travel with you, and claimed something was accurate and yet you knew it wasn't, would you think they were still credible?
If you read a newspaper and find an article that you know to be inaccurate, why do you assume that all of the other articles in the paper are accurate? Maybe you don't, but most people do. Scary.

[Space Tycoon]

I hope you're right. I really do.

I suspect you're not, though. We know from satellite imagery that the Arctic ice caps have diminished siginificantly over just the past two decades. We know that tropical diseases are flourishing. We know that cockroach and other insect populations are migrating northward. We can learn, from studies of the planet Venus, the role CO2 plays in planetary temperatures, and we can apply it to our own civilization's production of the same gases.

It all adds up.

As for New York State getting colder, well so what? Toronto is only now experiencing seasonal temperatures, having gone through most of December and January with the warmest winter yet. Much the same is true for the country at large.

[Jakester]

Aliens Cause Global Warming (http://www.sepp.org/NewSEPP/GW-Aliens-Crichton.html)

[Kaeos]

In fact, in some places in NY State, it's now COLDER than it has previously been. How can it get globally warmer, but colder in one part of a state than another?

Correction Jake-o, we've had the warmest winter in decades in NY this year. We had one significant storm in November and up until this past weekend, our average temperature in NY has been 40. What does seem to be happening is small pockets of super cold air hitting different areas of the state at different times.

Does that make it glabal warming? I used to think so. But in recent years I've begun to see that perhaps the earth is simply moving into a climatological change. An ice age? Not quite yet. But a shift none the less. Weather patterns all over the globe have been getting screwier and screwier in the last 5 years.

Is it all occuring naturally? Is our massive polution machine speeding things up? Yes and Yes. At least I think so.

One more point of reference - love her or hate her, psychic or fraud, Sylvia Brown has been talking about this for some time now, she calls it
Polar Tilt (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/aspie/trueorfalse/sylviabrowne.html)

[Jakester]

Scientists believe that the magnetic poles have switched before (if that is what she's talking about). They are due for another shift any time, I think.

Our winter has been pretty mild as well, but what does that say about global warming? Nothing. It says that our local winter was warmer. Is the planet warming? Probably not, but are parts of it which were previously cool warming and parts which were warm cooling? Probably. NO ONE KNOWS, and any claims about "global warming" are guesses, and last time I checked, science supported hypotheses (guesses) supported by facts and reproducible evidence, not incomplete data and speculation.

But really, none of this gets me any cherry pie.

[sickness]

One more point of reference - love her or hate her, psychic or fraud, Sylvia Brown has been talking about this for some time now, she calls it
Polar Tilt (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/aspie/trueorfalse/sylviabrowne.html)

She's been talking about a lot of crap and getting all of it quite wrong.

We didn't find out during 2005 that Osama is dead. Hussein made it to his trial alive. Scott Peterson didn't get whacked in prison. She's already been wrong 10 times about when the troops are coming back from Iraq. Far less than 417,000 died in the tsunami. The list of bad predictions is endless.

[Kaeos]

I never said she was right.

But it is an interesting theory to answer global warming

It requires dropping knee-jerk prejudices and having an open mind for a few moments. :smirk:

[sickness]

I never said she was right.

But it is an interesting theory to answer global warming

It requires dropping knee-jerk prejudices and having an open mind for a few moments. :smirk:

Are you talking about this line:

We will see all kinds of weather changes because of the polar tilt.

Hate to be the one to break it to you but this is already known. The tilt of the Earth's poles off the perpendicular to the ecliptic plane is precisely why we have seasons. So, basically, what she's telling us here is we're going to continue to have spring, summer, fall and winter. SHOCKING!!!

[Bokchoi Cowboy]

We will see all kinds of weather changes because of the polar tilt.

Dammit! At first glance I thought this said 'Polar Tit'.....I really need to either get glasses or stop hanging out here with Titty-Bar-Slammy and Your-Face-Your-Ass-Whats-the-difference?-Jakester.

[Kaeos]

Are you talking about this line:



Hate to be the one to break it to you but this is already known. The tilt of the Earth's poles off the perpendicular to the ecliptic plane is precisely why we have seasons. So, basically, what she's telling us here is we're going to continue to have spring, summer, fall and winter. SHOCKING!!!


Oookay.. So I'm getting you don't like psychics. Got it. No big whoop my man.:D No psychics. (What she's saying, if you read the some of the broader work is that it's gonna "tilt" the other way) but that's irrelevant to this conversation.

I guess what I'm getting at here is that it's becoming more and more clear to me that our "calendar" of when the seasons start at different points on the globe is beignning to shift. Gorwing up I knew it would start to be slushy cold and crappy on Halloween. By Thankgiving we're under 2-3 feet of snow and it stays that way until some time in late February.

But over the last decade or so that's clearly changed. Like I said earlier, my winters start later and later every year. There is virutally no Fall to speak of. I can tell you right now, I'll probably have a massive snow storm on Easter Sunday. Bet on it.

As for summer, much milder for the better part of June and July, temps barely make it above 80 on a regualr basis. We seem to be getting maybe one or two weeks (not back to back) where the temp will reach 94 or more and stay there for a week. Again, this is drastically different then we I grew up and we could count on 2 or 3 solid months of 85 once school let out in May.

Shift. That's what I am seeing. And given the constant flow of bigger and badder natural disasters and storms, I don't know how anyone can argue that the glbal climate is changing.

[sickness]

Again, this is nothing new. The Earth's axis precesses (that is, the geographic axis of the Earth spins on another axis) but on the order of once every 26,000 years which means in 13,000 years summer will be winter and winter will be summer. As for recent changes in weather, I've not noticed anything at different times of the year, as if the seasons are sliding along the calendar but I have noticed longer, hotter summers and longer, wetter winters with less spring- and fall-type weather as predicted by most global warming models.

[Kaeos]

Again, this is nothing new.

So your not concerned? You don't see any "Day After Tomorrow" scenarios like, um, Pakistan, India, Asian Tsunami, Calfornia Mudslides. Not sure where your living man, but I'm not looking forward to any further "common climate shifts"

[sickness]

I didn't say I like what's happening just that it happens and we know it's going to happen. That's nature. We're in for a bitch of a ride and there's nothing we can do about it.

Regarding the specific incidents you mentioned, they're almost all earthquake-related which we can do absolutely nothing about. They will happen. We must react. Nothing we have done has caused an increase in earthquake activity. Nothing we can do can actually reduce said activity.

[sickness]

So your not concerned? You don't see any "Day After Tomorrow" scenarios like, um, Pakistan, India, Asian Tsunami, Calfornia Mudslides. Not sure where your living man, but I'm not looking forward to any further "common climate shifts"

And where did I say "common climate shifts?"

[Kaeos]

And where did I say "common climate shifts?"

:ohwell:


You didn"t

I did :D

[Emperor Norton]

http://portland.indymedia.org/media/images/2005/07/320792.jpg

There's a clear inverse-proportionality between the number of pirates worldwide and the global average temperature, according to some guy.

[Bill_the_Pony]

It's gonna get even hotter. (http://thetravisty.com/Mad_TV/mov/Spishak_-_Ovens_For_Kids.htm) :)

Only if you have Quicktime, though. :(

[kah]

http://portland.indymedia.org/media/images/2005/07/320792.jpg

There's a clear inverse-proportionality between the number of pirates worldwide and the global average temperature, according to some guy.


So, what you and "some guy" are saying, is that we need more pirates to put the kybash on global warming? I'm with you. I vote more pirates. Really make those merchant marines work for their money. lmao

[Trazalca]

I'm gonna have to disagree with those numbers.
There's FAR more pirates than that! Arggh! http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/verkleidung/costumed-smiley-056.gif

[Quasar]

http://portland.indymedia.org/media/images/2005/07/320792.jpg

There's a clear inverse-proportionality between the number of pirates worldwide and the global average temperature, according to some guy.

I believe what this graph illustrates is that when there's a shitload of pirates, people are too busy running for their lives to do proper documentation of global temperatures. Therefor it's not that it was cooler, just less accurate data.

[Jakester]

Eff you, Quasar. If your brother showed back up, there'd be less global warming in my pants.

[sickness]

I'm gonna have to disagree with those numbers.
There's FAR more pirates than that! Arggh! http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/verkleidung/costumed-smiley-056.gif

Must... resist... making... butt pirate joke.... AGGGGHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Quasar]

Eff you, Quasar. If your brother showed back up, there'd be less global warming in my pants.

Jake, Jack wanted me to let you know he still has regular sex with you, only now it's just in his head. Anyway, he hoped that would make you miss him less. :)

[Bokchoi Cowboy]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/webdev/ODJpirateboy.jpg

[Jakester]

Quasar, that makes me miss him more. I want Jackie back!

Boki, that's not really an unusual look for ODJ, is it?

[Bokchoi Cowboy]

Boki, that's not really an unusual look for ODJ, is it?


No, not really. He does like those shirts a lot.


You know, even Bill would probably say that is a really gay look.....

[Bill_the_Pony]

Nothing looks more gay than a straight man in something foofy like that.

:rolleyes:

[Bokchoi Cowboy]

Nothing looks more gay than a straight man in something foofy like that.

:rolleyes:


Could it be that a shirt simply looks gay on a foofy man like ODJ?