Fantastic Four: Rise of The Silver Surfer

[Kaeos]

Haven't seen anything about this film on our illustrius board yet so what they heck.

Flickr.com has some pics of A "Green Surfer" doing some motion capture work here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53992173@N00/267214393/)

SHH has some shots of The Thing (http://superherohype.com/news/fantasticfournews.php?id=4824)on set in full costume with his blind girlfriend apparently at a wedding. A little plot detail is given there as well.

[awakenangel]

Haven't seen anything about this film on our illustrius board yet so what they heck.

Flickr.com has some pics of A "Green Surfer" doing some motion capture work here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53992173@N00/267214393/)

SHH has some shots of The Thing (http://superherohype.com/news/fantasticfournews.php?id=4824)on set in full costume with his blind girlfriend apparently at a wedding. A little plot detail is given there as well.


"blind girlfriend" that's a good one, can't get past that they casted a black girl as Alicia?

There! I said :ohwell: There's affrimitive action for you.
"It's what's this world coming to time!" :headscratch:

[Kaeos]

"blind girlfriend" that's a good one, can't get past that they casted a black girl as Alicia?

:headscratch:

I don't know the history of FF well enough to get what you mean, I never read the comic. What I know comes from the recent movie and the 80's cartoon I watched growing up. Is there some racial reference I'm missing?

[Immortal1982]

The only thing is Alicia Masters, an important supporting character, and on and off girlfriend for the Thing in the comics, is white.

I still don't see the big deal, It's not like they'll ever cast Denzel Washington as Captain America.

[DeathScythe]

It's not like they'll ever cast Denzel Washington as Captain America.

hmm... that has potential :wink:

[sickness]

The Green Lantern is black in some current multi-superhero cartoon (is it JLU?)

[DaForce]

The Green Lantern is black in some current multi-superhero cartoon (is it JLU?)

*sigh*

The GL's (in order) are:

Hal Jordan
Guy Gardner
John Stewart (the black guy you speak of)
Kyle Rayner
Hal Jordan (resurrected)

John Stewart was introduced as a GL in 1971.

Not really anything new.

[sickness]

Not talking about the comics but a cartoon. Not sure which one it is, just know he's black in one of them. If it's not currently at least in reruns, then it was in production and subsequently rerunning at some point in the last 3-7 years.

I'm not saying it's the first or only time they've made him black, just that a change of race has been considered/done in the past for superheros and Denzel as Captain America (or some younger black actor more suitable to the physicality of the role) is not out of the question.

[omicron]

Isn't Nick Fury black in the Ultimate Avengers series?

It's hard sometimes to accept a different race for a character after YEARS of seeing them as one race, but I don't think it makes a difference unless their race is important to their character. Somehow, I don't see the Black Panther as being white. :lol:

Omi

[DaForce]

Yeah, Fury is black in the Ultimates, but he's actually based on Samuel L. Jackson. So it's kind of a characterature of a character.

[Kaeos]

More.....

Apparently soon to be Mrs' Faaaantastic (at least in that dress) "stopping" a helicopter

http://static.flickr.com/121/276471049_0bd56df6ce.jpg?v=0

[awakenangel]

The first Capt. America was black he was the tuskegee man of comics. so a Capt. A. that is black is not so far fetched. and Denzel can play the older version retelling his story. And the always winning skater from roll bounce can be young cap or Micheal J. White.

As as far as Black panther being white that is not so far fetched either.
You must be kidding right!? I mean hollywood casted white actors as chinese, indian, black and if you do not know what i mean. here's a few: cleopathra, indians in f-troop, mickey rooney as a japanese man.

It would be different if none of these so called races were not around and cannot act but this was pure spite by those with power who are racist.

[Immortal1982]

To clarify an original comment i made earlier, and a point to another.

With Fantastic four, the complaint is about a black actress playing a character, that in all previous versions is white.

With Justice League/JLU on the other hand, They use the Green Lantern John Stewart, who is, and always has been a black man. He is also one of the many human Green Lanterns, including Hal Jordan(Gary Sinise for Hal!!!) and Kyle Rayner.
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[DaForce]

Not a big fan of the first throw-away movie, but here's a pic of the flying bath tub (aka: the Fantasicar).

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/stevestao/fantastic-four-large.jpg

[sickness]

And Jessica Alba still doesn't look right as a white chick. Hell, the Wayans Bros were more convincing as white chicks.

[awakenangel]

What is She Spanish?:headscratch:

[sickness]

According to IMDb, her dad is Mexican while her mother is of French and Danish decent (each of unspecified weight). So, she's half Mexican, then part wussy frog, part pastry maker.

[awakenangel]

So that make her a bad white chick, where were you when liz taylor try to pass off as cleopathra, or peter lore as mr. moto, or other actors try to pass off as another race?:Laugh:

Linda Carter and Catherine Bach did a great yob posing as the all powerful american girl and the hillbilly tease?:Laugh:

[tstone]

Me, I thought the first film was a shiite fest. Gonna need some REAL convincing to go see this thing.

[sickness]

So that make her a bad white chick, where were you when liz taylor try to pass off as cleopathra, or peter lore as mr. moto, or other actors try to pass off as another race?:Laugh:

Linda Carter and Catherine Bach did a great yob posing as the all powerful american girl and the hillbilly tease?:Laugh:
Sorry. I've never thought casting outside one's race is convincing. I look back at all the classic westerns and see the whitest guys ever put on a little red face paint and pretend to be Indians. Older people, to this day, claim those to be some of the greatest movies ever made. I laugh at the thought.

About the only time someone of one race has ever convincingly played someone of another was Ben Kingsley as Ghandi. Then again, I think he may have some Central Asian heritage. The guy is clearly not classic, Caucasian white.

Casting Jessica Alba as a white chick with platinum blond hair is ludicrous. Unless you'd accept Chris Rock as Shakespeare.

[mckracken]

About the only time someone of one race has ever convincingly played someone of another was Ben Kingsley as Ghandi. Then again, I think he may have some Central Asian heritage. The guy is clearly not classic, Caucasian white.

I thought I had pinpointed a good race related character played by...
Christopher Lee as Fu Manchu in Blood of Fu Manchu 1968.

"This film was viewed at 1.30 in the morning, and after viewing it was easy to see why it had been screened at that time. The star, Christopher Lee, was cast as an oriental super-villain with a crooked moustache. Lee made no effort to fake an oriental accent, probably due to the fact that he did not want a part in the sequel. The action scenes were the worst I have ever seen in a movie, although budding doctors may wish to watch this as a guide of how not to do a blood transfusion! The films saving grace was its use of un-nececery nudity, which earns it 3/10."
also Face of Fu Manchu 1965
Brides of Fu Manchu 1966
Vengence of Fu Manchu 1967
also Castle of Dr Fu Manchu 1969 where he reprised his role again.

[awakenangel]

Sorry. I've never thought casting outside one's race is convincing. I look back at all the classic westerns and see the whitest guys ever put on a little red face paint and pretend to be Indians. Older people, to this day, claim those to be some of the greatest movies ever made. I laugh at the thought.

About the only time someone of one race has ever convincingly played someone of another was Ben Kingsley as Ghandi. Then again, I think he may have some Central Asian heritage. The guy is clearly not classic, Caucasian white.

Casting Jessica Alba as a white chick with platinum blond hair is ludicrous. Unless you'd accept Chris Rock as Shakespeare.

Fictional people is not so bad depending on the character but non fictional characters give me a break unless the person has a strain of that race in them but dont we all, LOL! We all came from one man and female. And was:eek: not shakespare was rumored to be black?

[sickness]

If you believe in the whole "apple, snake, woman bad" version of it, yeah, we came from one man and one woman. Me? I'll rest my conscience on something logical and at least somewhat verifyable evolution and population shift.

And I find it hard to believe Shakespeare was black. At the very least, slave trade did not start in earnest for another 50 years. Secondly, Shakespeare was a highly educated person born of wealth. Neither before or after the start of slave trade would you find a black man in England who was either.

[neglet]

Shakespeare was a highly educated person born of wealth.

So you're one of those who subscribe to the theory that the Earl of Oxford is actually responsible for the works of Shakespeare? Cause the Bill Shakespeare of official record was a barely middle-class dude with little formal education.

Oh, and Jessica Alba doesn't make a great blonde, but I like her as the character anyway.

[sickness]

Sorry. It was an assumption (and a bad one at that by the looks of it) based on the fact that one generally was not even functionally literate (about 7th or 8th grade by the modern American education system) unless one was of some sort of wealth. Your average Joe England in the 16th and early 17th century still didn't have the resources to achieve a simple education despite the invention of the moveable-type printing press. Quite frankly, the cost was still out of the common man's reach and it was still largely an agrarian economy meaning the kids should be out in the field, not studying.

Still, a black man in England was highly unlikely to achieve even "barely middle-class" status. Of course, I would also argue that there was barely a middle class to be a part of.

I suppose he is the Einstein of literature in more ways than one.

[DaForce]

Word on the street is that the first trailer or sneak for this thing will be out on the 22nd. It's attached to A Night At the Museum.

[Jakester]

I saw the first movie on HBO On Demand a month or so ago, and, while I didn't hate it, I didn't particularly care for it either. I think Daffy's "throw-away movie" comment is pretty fitting.
Consequently, I have the same ambivalent feelings about the sequel. I never cared about The Silver Surfer, either, so that doesn't help.

[neglet]

The first movie wasn't all that fantastic (ha ha) ... but Ioan Gruffudd shore is purty. I will pay money to see him wear more spandex. Oh, and Michael Chiklis was spot-on as the Thing, so hopefully we get more of that in the sequel.

So it doesn't matter so much to me that the "Silver Surfer" sounds more like a California swimwear boutique than a nasty villain.

[Jakester]

Oh, that's right, the Surfer started out as a baddie for Galactus, right? I'm so out of it with Marvel 'verse crap.

Chiklis was great as the Thing. Ioan didn't do it for me. Alba's alwas great eye candy (in addition to actually being talented), but her hotness factor still didn't elevate the movie for me. Hell, she's not reason enough for me to see Into the Blue.

[Kaeos]

Here's a pic from the movie (http://www.flickr.com/photos/f4movies/321268761/)- for what it's worth....if it's worth anything. I'm not sure about this movie at this point either. I was faily underwhelemed by the first one too.

oh well.

http://www.flickr.com/images/spaceball.gif

http://www.flickr.com/images/spaceball.gif

[DaForce]

So, the trailer is out on the 22nd in theaters, and then hits the web on Apple.com later that day at 5pm PST.

The Silver Surfer will only be seen in the trailer while flying, but production stills of the Surfer will probably be released in Jan.

[awakenangel]

Sorry. It was an assumption (and a bad one at that by the looks of it) based on the fact that one generally was not even functionally literate (about 7th or 8th grade by the modern American education system) unless one was of some sort of wealth. Your average Joe England in the 16th and early 17th century still didn't have the resources to achieve a simple education despite the invention of the moveable-type printing press. Quite frankly, the cost was still out of the common man's reach and it was still largely an agrarian economy meaning the kids should be out in the field, not studying.

Still, a black man in England was highly unlikely to achieve even "barely middle-class" status. Of course, I would also argue that there was barely a middle class to be a part of.

I suppose he is the Einstein of literature in more ways than one.

If you seem to think that blacks only mode of travel is because of the slave trade is very close minded indeed. And in at least two of shakespear's play no three: you had one king (othello) a lord in (much to do about nothing) and in macbeth you had a moor of some rank. so by you trying to say blacks did not prosper in the past is totally false. And evern today where racism is alive and well in this country no less black prospered. but when you had laws that if you teach blacks to read you can go to jail or worse. and yet blacks were able to overcome. but the history books do not want to write about those who did. And Alexander Dumas was black.

history books are written by the winners, so your truths are subject to falsehoods.
If you want to generalize all blacks throughout history, I suggest you read more history books especially the ones about the pharoahs, the moors and the saracans to name a few. And blacks did proper because they went from being slaves to running for president!
So did spit that lie and say blacks did not prosper in this world, who intelligence are you trying to insult.

[sickness]

Fuck you. Fuck you in your stupid ass.

If you had actually read what I said, you'd see that I was talking about blacks in a very specific time and place, namely 400 years ago in England when they weren't out doing a lot of exploring from Africa on their own around the world, particularly Northern Europe, and the moors had a reduced presence in Europe. They never really had one in Northern Europe to begin with. Did you also forget that Shakespeare was known for creating and juxtaposing places against times and people that they didn't go with? Romeo & Juliet takes place in Verona. Verona. When was the last time you saw a city in England with an Italian name?

And, so help me God, if you EVER insinuate that I think blacks in the US are still backward-ass jigaboo spearchuckers again, I will track you down and beat you like a dog. You have no idea who I am or what I believe. You obviously don't listen to what I've said here. You dumb fuck.

[DaForce]

Fuck you. Fuck you in your stupid ass.

If you had actually read what I said, you'd see that I was talking about blacks in a very specific time and place, namely 400 years ago in England when they weren't out doing a lot of exploring from Africa on their own around the world, particularly Northern Europe, and the moors had a reduced presence in Europe. They never really had one in Northern Europe to begin with. Did you also forget that Shakespeare was known for creating and juxtaposing places against times and people that they didn't go with? Romeo & Juliet takes place in Verona. Verona. When was the last time you saw a city in England with an Italian name?

And, so help me God, if you EVER insinuate that I think blacks in the US are still backward-ass jigaboo spearchuckers again, I will track you down and beat you like a dog. You have no idea who I am or what I believe. You obviously don't listen to what I've said here. You dumb fuck.


Just wondering...but what the hell does this have "conversation" (I use that term loosely) have to do with the FF2 movie?

Why don't you guys take it to PM.

[sickness]

What does the FF2 movie have to do with this thread other than complete apathy?

[DaForce]

What does the FF2 movie have to do with this thread other than complete apathy?


Take it elsewhere.

[Kaeos]

:popcorn:

I love Christmas with the family.

[Immortal1982]

I'm stepping in on both of you.

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Both of you Awaken Angel and sickness take it to PM. You both are out of line. And angel IIRC you have been warned for your knee jerk behavior before.

Expect warnings in your inboxes later guys.

This thread will be locked and you are welcome to begin a new discussion on FF: rise of the silver surfer in another thread. Thank you.

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