So I'm thinking about joining MUFON...

[Space Tycoon]

Just curious, what's the consensus around here about the Mutual UFO Network? Or is there one...

Are they viewed with respect, disdain, indifference?

They have an Ontario chapter, do they have a UK chapter?

I'm joining because I figure it's about time I got to know other people who are also interested in this subject. If nothing else, it'll be an opportunity to network with like-minded people, maybe do some travelling, a little writing etc.


www.mufon.com

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[DVB]

I don't know whether Nick R has migrated over to this site from Another Place; he might be able to give you a helpful answer about MUFON.

All I'd say is that the type of UFO organisation you join would presumably be dependant on your own beliefs. In the States there still appear to be a huge number of people who believe in ETH, the Extra-Terrestrial Hypothesis, i.e. nuts & bolts physical craft containing flesh & blood physical aliens dropping in to see us every other week. In Britain the vast majority of serious Ufologists have moved on from that to socio-psychological-cultural explanations. Personally I give a lot more credence to writers like Peter Brookesmith, John & Ann Spencer, Andy Roberts et al than I do to ETH-believers.

And ETH is as much a belief as the Virgin Birth, with as little evidence.

I would guess that on UFOs, as in many things, Canada is closer to Britain than to its southern neighbour. Yes?

[AdrianGilbert]

And ETH is as much a belief as the Virgin Birth, with as little evidence.



This from a man whose avatar is a dragon! :lol:

I know several people here in Britain who have personally seen UFOs. I guess that would be the equivalent of a St Thomas experience where you stick your fingers in the wounds of Christ. I guess if you have had the experience it is not a matter of faith at all.

Myself I tend to belive that extra-terrestrial travel between star-systems is possible but not in the sort of space-craft we have so far built. Incidentally the Mayans believed their maize-god was taken back to the stars of Orion in a canoe. We seem to be a few stages on from that but still a long way from the sort of light-vessels described by J. J. Hurtak in his 'Keys of Enoch'. He calls these 'Merkabas'.

When I was at Virginia Beach recently (at the A.R.E. Autumn Conference) one of the other guest speakers was astronomer James Mulaney. He showed us a photograph of an extraordinary, square looking light-form that is currently baffling scientists. Apparently it is travelling at four times the speed of light in quiet defiance of Einstein's laws. I told him it looked remarkably like the drawing of a Merkaba vessel in Hurtak's book.

I forward to seeing such a Merkaba one of these days. Maybe one is coming for us to take us faithful back to a better planet and away from idiots like Bush and Blair.:D

Adrian.

[DVB]

This from a man whose avatar is a dragon! :lol:
Did I say anything about being consistent....? :headscratch:
I know several people here in Britain who have personally seen UFOs.
But what did they see, objectively? I know many people who have had religious experiences; I don't doubt their experiences at all, but I do doubt the explanations or interpretations of them, whether by by themselves or (worse) imposed by others.
Incidentally the Mayans believed their maize-god was taken back to the stars of Orion in a canoe.
Seems reasonable to me... :wink:
We seem to be a few stages on from that but still a long way from the sort of light-vessels described by J. J. Hurtak in his 'Keys of Enoch'. He calls these 'Merkabas'. <snip>
I forward to seeing such a Merkaba one of these days. Maybe one is coming for us to take us faithful back to a better planet and away from idiots like Bush and Blair.:D
The merkabah is the Hebrew word for the Glory of the Lord on the magnificent throne-chariot in Ezekiel's vision (Ezek 1:4-28). Various religious movements have picked up on it, including the Nation of Islam (which has very little to do with "real" Islam), who have recreated it as the Mother Plane, a whacking great UFO which will be responsible for the destruction of all Whites, Christians and Jews. The merkabah-as-spaceship is also part of the teaching of the Holy Tabernacle Ministries or Nubian Hebrews led by Malachi Z York.

David

[Space Tycoon]

I would guess that on UFOs, as in many things, Canada is closer to Britain than to its southern neighbour. Yes?

Well, there are a lot of Canadians who believe in the ETH. Including myself. "Believe" being the operative word here. At the risk of insulting my American friends, I don't think we are as likely to take every claim as the gospel truth quite as readily as they sometimes do. There's a healthy skepticism. That's the reason I would like to join the organization, to actually see if I could separate whatever hard facts are to be found, from the lies and nonsense.

I am open to the idea that socio-psychological factors are at work also. That is, a sizeable fraction of the population are just mimicing, consciously or unconsciously, what they have heard and read from reports of encounters, science fiction, etc. The human mind is capable of immense self-deception. However, that still leaves open the possibility of real encounters.

I also have developed an interest in the notion of a subterranean aspect to the UFO phenomenon. Underground cities, bases etc. I'm not talking about "Hollow-Earth" type stuff here, just reports that suggest UFO's could be using underground locations for at least some of their operations.



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[Bark]

Cue the Lizard-Men, or was it the Nazis? :D

[Space Tycoon]

Shaddap. :p

[tstone]

That would be incorrect. The militaries, especially the air forces of the world haven't had dealings with the Virgin Birth. They haven't written field manuals dealing with the phenomenae associated with VBs.

They have with ETs, or at least UFOs.

QUOTE=DVB;44967]I don't know whether Nick R has migrated over to this site from Another Place; he might be able to give you a helpful answer about MUFON.

All I'd say is that the type of UFO organisation you join would presumably be dependant on your own beliefs. In the States there still appear to be a huge number of people who believe in ETH, the Extra-Terrestrial Hypothesis, i.e. nuts & bolts physical craft containing flesh & blood physical aliens dropping in to see us every other week. In Britain the vast majority of serious Ufologists have moved on from that to socio-psychological-cultural explanations. Personally I give a lot more credence to writers like Peter Brookesmith, John & Ann Spencer, Andy Roberts et al than I do to ETH-believers.

And ETH is as much a belief as the Virgin Birth, with as little evidence.

I would guess that on UFOs, as in many things, Canada is closer to Britain than to its southern neighbour. Yes?[/QUOTE]

[Bark]

I was wrong. Time travel to the past is possible. Tstone just went back in time to November, 2006. :Smirk:

[tstone]

:D

I just hate the stance of some that just because they personally haven't experienced anything weird, or don't have x that they can't analyze in a lab, it simply isn't true. Someone is imagining things.

M-kay...

[Space Tycoon]

I almost forgot about this thread.

I never did get around to joining. Partly because there's a membership fee, but also because I'm not sure about some of their membership. I went to a MUFON seminar once and it was a bit of an eye-opener.

The first speaker seemed very reasonable, intelligent, discussed different alien types and the experiences people have reported. The second fellow discussed sightings of UFO's around nuclear power plants. Both seemed sober, educated, serious.

The third was a complete trainwreck from the 60's. He told us of his communications with aliens via his tv set, and how this enabled he and his friend to build a working spaceship... it was embarrassing.

So I think MUFON may be a mixed bag. I am reminded of Groucho Marx's famous quote: "I wouldn't join any club that would have me as a member."


Still, my belief is as rock-solid as ever, what with all these constant reports of sightings all over the world (http://news.google.ca/news?hl=en&ned=ca&q=ufo+sighting&ie=UTF-8&scoring=n) that are becoming harder and harder to explain away.



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[tstone]

Any sufficiently large organization is a mixed bag, dude. You as a Libertarian should know that.

:D

I haven't participated in this forum enough, as I'm vastly interested in most of these topics. And my interesting discovery last night brought me down here to share.

[Space Tycoon]

Oh? And what discovery would that be?






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[tstone]

Read the below thread, "Show me Your Orbs". You'll see...

[Space Tycoon]

Any sufficiently large organization is a mixed bag, dude. You as a Libertarian should know that.

:D

True enough. We've had some real nutcases try to attach themselves to our cause for years. Everyone from pederasts, to neo-nazis, to LA entertainment producers. The scum of the Earth. :lol:







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