3:5 - The Cost of Living - Eko Flashbacks

[Queen Mae]

So, someone is supposed to die tonight.

I know who, but some people don't like to be that spoiled... so if you don't already know - wait an hour and find out!

[southpaw]

Damn it. :romy: :romy:

[DarkJedi]

#$@#@%@#$@#@#@# + ###$@#@#@%%!@# !!!!!

[Son of Gilbert]

Ahhh geez ODJ been hanging with Karl, to long he starting to talk in cryptic code.

[fastcar]

That's what you get for not carrying your Jesus stick anymore.



I'm pissed. That was a bad move. I totally thought they were going to go all red shirt and kill the girl.

[Strider]

Apparently this has been planned to kill off Eko early this season ever since he was introduced. I'm not sure if I believe that or not.

Regardless, I really liked Eko and thought the character was an interesting one, but somehow I don't think I will miss him that much. At least he got to have a cool death. How many people get to be smacked around by a smoke monster? :wink:

On another note, what the frak is going on with Jack's storyline. I think that everyone is still screwing around with him, but each for their own ends. Does Ben really have a tumor? Perhaps we'll find out next week before Lost takes its long break.

[Jakester]

Meh.
Meh. Meh. Meh. That's what I've got to say about that episode.
I mean, the Eko stuff was cool, but ...meh.

[Queen Mae]

I agree Jake, I really felt like the episode was blah. I haven't been moved by Eko's character in quite a while and I am not at all sorry to see him go. He was getting tedious. (Although I am sad that his pretty face is no longer going to be on my screen Wednesday nights.)

I am however interested in what's happening with Jack & Juliet and I can't wait for next week.

[kah]

I am pissed that they killed off one of the more interesting characters. I liked that he didn't ask for forgiveness. I'm not really sure who is f'king with Jack here, Juliette or Benry. When Benry said he had this beautiful plan to break Jack to make him want to do the surgery, I actually scoffed at the tv. Really?? Maybe, you stupid ass-hole, you could've asked Jack first, then broken him if he refused? Hmmm? How about that, you retarded island troll? This story has seriously pissed me off. Now we are getting contrived plots for no reason other than to make the Others look sinister. :romy: Next week had better be good, or I won't be watching the next installment of season 3.

[Cncrman]

Alright, that's it.

This is me, packing up my box of "I care about this premise" and leaving.

Oh I'll probably still watch because there isn't anything else on worthwhile on Wednesdays since I don't have cable. But I am starting a "Dear John" letter to Lost and I am taping it to the show's refrigerator door.

And did we really need another female Castaway that wears tight tops and just happens to be a freaking genius. 3 men in a room with superior know-how and the beach skank figures it all out.

And what about this dude they have now, Pablo. Geez, this is a drama, not a comedy. Toliet humor? COME ON!

And who the frak is on the video screen? Cap'n Crunch?

With Eko dead, who is going to finish the church? Or is this going to symbolize all the other half started plot lines that get forgotten in hopes that the viewers will forget about them too.

I just....I....Ah screw it.

[Al-Dog]

I’m disappointed that they got killed off Eko as well; I thought that he was not only the most unique character on the show, but one of the most unique on TV. A true survivor, who never whined about how unfair life was, just did whatever it took to come out on top.

I hope these new characters have more to offer than being eye candy. How many model looking people were on that flight?

[fastcar]

Apparently this has been planned to kill off Eko early this season ever since he was introduced. I'm not sure if I believe that or not.


That or Uli demanded another sacrifice for traffic violations.

[neglet]

Some thoughts on this episode:

Ben, you're retarded. Why didn't you just ask Jack for his help, he's got a huge God Complex?! Instead, you've alienated him and he'll probably back Juliette in her power play. And I still don't know what the f*ck you idiots are doing on the island. Can't we have some clue, before I don't care at all anymore?

So Eko's dead. That's sad, he was interesting--a really unique character. Plus, with Walt and Michael's escape, and Rose's apparent disappearance from the beach, that means no more black characters on the show. I suppose you can still call yourself diverse, because of Sayid and Sun and Jin, but...

Hey, wait a minute. Sayid came back? No one asked him about his trip? Where are Sun and Jin, then? Why bother to show Sun in the previews, and not show her for the rest of the show? I'm getting a little fed up with this bait-and-switch stuff.

New couple in the hatch? Why should I care about you "not being included"? You're probably going to end up as pointless or as dead as half the other "new characters" this show introduces.

I don't know why I'm so cranky. I didn't think this episode was that bad, and I especially liked the flashbacks. I guess we'll never know why Eko was in Australia. Another to add to the growing list of "questions never answered on Lost."

[southpaw]

I'm not on speaking terms with LOST right now. :romy:

[Mobile Vulgus]

Echo was pointless.

No, not his death the entire character.

He never made much impact on ANY other character.

His past never interacted with ANY other character's.

His prattle about religion never impacted on ANY other character.

His being missing... nothing.

I am convinced that the ONLY reason he was there was so the show's creator could show how bad it is to grow up in Africa. It was a politically correct move. A pointless exercise in being "multicultural".

At this point, I am glad he is gone. His character was UTTERLY pointless to the show.


Worse, I agree with some of you that are saying that there is no point to ANY part of the show. It looks like they are just making it up as they go with NO real overarching story and NO plan.

I am getting sick off it all.

[kah]

Uh, except for the part where he interacted with Miss Klugh. Or was I the only one that saw that?

Edit- Ok, I just rewatched the eppy at abc.com, and I am pretty sure that was her as the nun in the beginning, but I'll have to see if I can find an old eppy with Miss Klugh to double check.

Here's an interesting post I stole from abc.com.

An interesting biblical tie in. When Eko got back to his brother's church he found the picture of himself and Yami. The picture was in Yami's bible at the Book of Isaiah ch5. The first 4 books set up what God wanted Israel to become (Eko's original plans of becoming a priest) and what Israel became (Eko as a warlord). Chapter 5 is the Song of the Vineyard that illustrates the consequences of the rift. This was a prophecy as Israel was later invaded and destroyed by the Assyrians (or a prophecy that Eko would be destroyed by his sins). Then comes the 6 Woes (or blights);
1 Greed
2 Pleasure Seeking
3 Deliberate Sinning (because they believed they would not be punished - Eko believing his killing was justified)
4 Perversity (calling good bad and bad good - killing bad people and believing it was necessary for the good of...)

Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,
who put darkness for light and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
Isaiah 5:20

5 Conceit (knowing better than God)
6 Corrupt Values

So because they had rejected his will and had not repented, God would judge and destroy them.
While this speaks about a whole nation, its lessons are particularly applicable to Eko. He was supposed to become a priest, but saved his brother instead. Every time he had a chance to confess and change, he did not and followed his own path. He abandoned building his church to push the button again following what he believed to be right. "Yami" told Eko it was time to confess and be judged, yet Eko again denied his sins and saw them as just and good and asked no forgiveness. Thus the smoke judged and destroyed him.

[Al-Dog]

I am convinced that the ONLY reason he was there was so the show's creator could show how bad it is to grow up in Africa. It was a politically correct move. A pointless exercise in being "multicultural".

Why would the Eko character be considered politically correct? Because he is African? That term seems to be thrown around every time a character Television isn’t a white American male. I suppose Sayid is politically correct also? Being a unique character is politically correct now?

Television is full of conflicted Doctors, “roguishly” handsome con men, women who look like models and kick the butt of full grown men (riiight that happens all the time in real life). Eko was the first three dimensional African warlord that I can recall. Who’s fault is it if the writers didn’t know what to do with him.

[Mobile Vulgus]

Why would the Eko character be considered politically correct? Because he is African?

No, the character itself was not politically correct. What I am saying is, that the ONLY reason he was in the show was because they wanted to show a "black" perspective. I agree that they did not write the character as some pean to PCism as it turned out.

But, really, what POINT was there to Echo? He didn't make much of an impact on the story. His actions rarely had much of consequence for the other characters, the priest thing amounted to zip, his history amounted to zip, his visions were not integrated with the rest of the occurrences, he did not spur other characters to do much.

He really was a big, fat nothing in the show as far as I can tell. Is that why they killed him? Because they realized he was just a loose end that tied to nothing?

[Queen Mae]

With Eko dead, who is going to finish the church?


Charlie - or at least I hope so. I hope that one day this crack-pot writers will remember that Charlie has some really awesome internal conflict because he was a day away from becoming a friggin' PRIEST when his brother turned him into a rock-star-junkie.

[neglet]

Is that a skirt he is wearing? So is he a cross-dressing pirate? :eek:

Is there any other kind?

[neglet]

Boki's pic is different from the pic in the episode last night, which looked like it had an old-fashioned computer with tape reels.

[alaristhered]

It's Paolo.

Anyway, I am very upset that they got rid of Eko, because he was one of my favorite characters. I especially liked, and will miss, the interaction between him and Locke. Does anyone besides me think it's odd that the Tailies are getting killed a lot? mind you, the originals lost a bunch, but recently, it's been Tailies.

[The Tyrant Virus]

From what I've read, Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje wanted to leave so he could direct his autobiography movie.

Here (http://www.sliceofscifi.com/2006/11/04/ekos-demise-no-big-secret/).

I for one still love Lost. :headscratch:

[Jakester]

I for one, love you.

[The Tyrant Virus]

How's it going, Jake? Been a while since I've posted here. :OhWell:

[Jakester]

Why it sure has, TV. Are you still itchy and tasty?

El...I have no idea what you're talking about. My mommy told me that I only rode the short bus because I was special!

[Jakester]

I vaguely recall there being a movie called Shortbus, but I've not seen it.

[alaristhered]

SO why is it that Eko saw the black particle monster (for the second time) and Locke saw the white, shiny happy monster? Because Eko refused to "confess?" It's not like Locke has led an exemplary life.

[Queen Mae]

Welcome to my forum T.V.

Good to see you.

[Bill_the_Pony]

Yeah, I was thinking....between bouts of drifting off.. that this only leaves Roses' husband left from the tailies, no? :confused:

And reel-to-reel tape computers. :eek:
Looks like a set from an old Irwin Allen tv show! :eek: :eek: :eek:

[The Tyrant Virus]

Are you welcoming me? If so, thank you! I am a Lost fan.

I think she was welcoming me.

Thanks for the welcome! After CA shutdown, I never really posted much on Cinescape's boards, though I did lurk occassionally. But when I saw people getting turned off by Lost, I just had to come post some love for it.

[DarkJedi]

I'd have to agree with you on that one, TV.

I mean, I understand people getting frustrated at times with a series but reading week after week of everyone united hating each show that comes along has me wondering if some weird mental mind meld is occuring. When will the revolt occur? Next? Will I have to destroy this forum before all it's occupants gather together to lead arms against the Lost writers?

I hope some people show some love for the show because it gets alittle old seeing almost every post give a splash of hateraid towards it.

As I stated elsewhere, I understand that the "X-Files Echo Effect" will draw some people off but for me, it's really not that bad right now. I remember what happened to that series that I loved and this show at it's current time is nowhere near that point. There are many questions or side stories that seem to have been sidetracked or done away with but that happens in a series. The writers stretch themselves too thin and sometimes need to clean a slate or two off. Not all answers will be given and part of me wonders if they give any answers that would truly satisfy me more then the answers provided by my imagination of guesswork. Part of being sucked into this show was the appeal that answers weren't wrapped up quickly and just shoved to us with a "Here, you see? This is what the storyline meant!" ending every other week. I'd rather the mystery was there but that's just me.

Seeing the constant negativity just takes away from even wanting to post opinions on the subject at times. What's the point of waving a white flag in the middle of a sea of red flags with smiling skulls on them, you revolters. :D

[Cncrman]

Seeing the constant negativity just takes away from even wanting to post opinions on the subject at times. What's the point of waving a white flag in the middle of a sea of red flags with smiling skulls on them, you revolters. :D

ODJ, it's not that I hate the show; I still watch it and enjoy it. It's just that I am disappointed. I know this show can do better. 2 seasons of "Wow" have now become rather predictable. The only thing I am enjoying this season is the psychological torture/games that Ben is using on the Castaways. I almost wonder if the tumor is some how a clever ruse. But that's just it. I have nothing to base "faith" (for lack of a better word) on. I can't trust anything about the show. I just don't want this show to become a constant state of "Here is the big important piece of info" and then 2 weeks later "Oh, but wait, we lied, it wasn't like that".

After awhile, that bait and switch crap gets old. I enjoy it, but not ad nausea. I'll try to cut back on the Lost bashing a bit, I'd hate to keep people from posting their opinion because they only see negativity.

[Tricksterson]

Alright, that's it.

And did we really need another female Castaway that wears tight tops and just happens to be a freaking genius.
.

YES!

Silly biot. Well remember that Locke has his sweat lodge now where the church was going to be so we might see one if not the other.

[DarkJedi]

ODJ, it's not that I hate the show; I still watch it and enjoy it. It's just that I am disappointed. I know this show can do better. 2 seasons of "Wow" have now become rather predictable. The only thing I am enjoying this season is the psychological torture/games that Ben is using on the Castaways. I almost wonder if the tumor is some how a clever ruse. But that's just it. I have nothing to base "faith" (for lack of a better word) on. I can't trust anything about the show. I just don't want this show to become a constant state of "Here is the big important piece of info" and then 2 weeks later "Oh, but wait, we lied, it wasn't like that".

After awhile, that bait and switch crap gets old. I enjoy it, but not ad nausea. I'll try to cut back on the Lost bashing a bit, I'd hate to keep people from posting their opinion because they only see negativity.


Here's the frustrating thing, CSM. I totally understand where you are coming from. I'm not saying you all can't dissent from the show as it is. I mean, I kinda understand some of the criticism because I have my own. I will tell everyone right now...the character of Kate has been on my ever lasting nerve for a bit of time now. I don't like how one major subplot of each week has turned into something like "Days of our Lives" with the whole Kate-Jack-Sawyer storyline.

*I can see Monic smiling here if she reads this forum*

You want to know why? No? Well, I'm telling you revolters anyway! This same criticism from me came in the HEART of X-Files. Back in 97 at this very site, I was against nearly everyone in the whole Mulder-Scully shipperness quandrants and I was totally outnumbered at the time. Why was I against it? Because I came to love X-Files back in 93 or so by loving the "mystery" of the show's main series arc. I'm going to start using the words of "story arc" for Lost too, btw folks...Hate me if you will.

I did NOT want the main story arc of X-Files to go into some mamba-jamba love/hate relationship arc between the main characters. Enough of those shows exist on tv and I didn't want to see it happen with X-Files. No, I didn't mind the characters coming together at the height of Xphiles popularity UNTIL it happened at the end of the series...I didn't mind them coming together in the end, in other words. I didn't want to see Season 4-end turn into some Shipper happy bonanza.

That's basically my one complaint about the current Lost. I cringe everytime I see Kate fawning over Jack and Sawyer at different times within each show and I seriously hope the writers go away from this. She's getting passed around like something....well......you know something... The writers need to get away from that angle and get back into the story.

I have a feeling that my problem with the current shows and all of you revolters align into one gripe. Why? Because their taking time from each show with this love triangle nonsense instead of talking about other story arcs that are currently being complained about from the lot of you.

Believe me when I say, I understand where the complaints are coming from, CSM.

I just also admit that it takes away from wanting to post at all knowing that nearly everyone turns every thread into a "Man, I hate this show now" fest. Why even post at all when all that I see is constant negativity? That's all I meant, CSM.

We want to encourage everyone to post opinions here, after all, even the mod of this forum is contributing to the dissent because she feels the same frustration. Dissent is not discouraged. An opinion is an opinion is an opinion and so on, etc etc etc. I was just telling you how I feel on the subject.

It's nice to have a couple of posters who actually show some love for the show.

I know our lot can scare away people(take the Asylum for an example). It gets so incredibly dull when only one side is speaking at any forum, it's nice to see both sides of the coin.

[Jakester]

I guess for me, there is no sense of time on the show. Once or twice a season, you may get a comment from someone about how long they've been on the island, and that's the only sense of time we get, but we're not sure from episode to episode how much time has passed. I *know* it's only been two months, and in that regard, it's not unreasonable for there not to be a ton of answers coming at the Losties. However, from a viewer perspective, it's been nearly three years and the answers we have now are "ignore the answers we gave you before." It's frustrating.

Another gripe, and it's one I had with X-Files as well, is that when given the opportunity, none of the characters ask any of the really important or obvious questions, as if they are intentionally trying to keep themselves in the dark. That's also frustrating.

It's also frustrating that we have so many interesting (and hot) characters on the show, and they don't get much face time, but the showrunners feel the need to introduce more characters into the mix. I suppose it's nice to see some of the other survivors and know that they're not just sitting around eating bonbons all day, but damnit, make the characters interesting or give me Rose and Bernard again.

Oh, and Juliet is fucking evil. Seriously.

[kah]

X-Files was different, though. Because of the concept of the show, each episode could stand on its own without the connecting story arc. Lost can't survive without tying each show to the next. If you haven't seen all the episodes, then you are hopelessly lost, forgive the pun. The point is, those of us who watch it are sucked into watching every week because we don't want to miss any major plot points, but every time they give one to us, they take it away in a few weeks. I feel like I am getting jerked around, like someone is dangling a cookie in front of me- some weeks they just let me look at it. Some weeks they let me take a nibble. And some weeks the cookie just disappears, and I want to know where the hell my damned cookie is!

[Jakester]

Don't you mean fish biscuit?

[kah]

Whatever. Does it matter? They might change the fish biscuits to cookies in the second half of the season and never explain it.

[Jakester]

I want Wacky Wafers

[fastcar]

I'd go for Bottle Caps......or oooooh, Fun Dip.