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5 women in 11 days. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16171063/) This bastard is bloodthirsty. Look at how long the police usually take to catch up with serial killers, and that's when they spread out their victims. How many more will die before he/she is caught?
sickness
12-13-2006, 07:42 AM
The search usually takes so long because each kill adds to the puzzle. I figure this guy will be caught in 6 months. He's too anxious to kill. He will slip up and soon.
Most serial killers take their time and review what they've done so they can get better. Their initial kills are generally sloppier and lack certain details which leads to them not being connected from time to time. Look at the DC sniper case, for instance. Months, even a year or two after the fact, they were connected to kills in Georgia, Alabama, Louisiana, California, Oregon and Washington. I think there are even some in the Southwest that I'm forgetting.
Trazalca
12-13-2006, 07:52 AM
Honestly, I wasn't aware of this until you posted it Kah.
I'm with Sickness on this one in that it will take time.
According to the response for leads to the police, they will need
time to sort out all the false from legit ones that come in,
hopefully in time to piece together the big picture of what's happening
and where.
The problem I have is that, with all the fascinating cop shows out there
like CSI, police investigations are getting harder and harder to work
because the criminals are now getting smarter: they now know better how
to cover their tracks. My guess is, if there is a slip up on the part of the
killer, it will probably be due to him being sloppy, which I doubt,
or due to being so desperate to commit the crime again, a detail is overlooked
on the criminal's part, pointing the crimes to him.
Ultimately, someone will have to have seen something. He will get caught.
DarkJedi
12-13-2006, 08:32 AM
Yep on the above thoughts..In most cases, the serial killer himself breaks down mentally and wishes to get famous/known/caught for his deeds. The skilled ones usually go on for years because of their knowledge into investigation techniques or their own intricate methods of killing someone.
This person is going against that mold by killing so many in such a short time. He's enraged about something that has occured more than looking for some long campaign of the next decades. By acting on such a short fuse with his sins, he will most likely slip up due to that same rage/needs.
It could be this guy has been killing women for years now but hasn't getting the attention he feels he deserves so now he's flying off the handle for the sake of his own twisted desires.
Metuzalem
12-13-2006, 08:51 AM
They were saying on the news today that this case may tie in with the murder of another prostitute six years ago. Like it was some sort of practice run or something. Also, does anyone know we this guy is being called a "ripper"? As far as I know he's strangling his victims :headscratch:
Trazalca
12-13-2006, 08:55 AM
I think the "Ripper" association is by notoriety, not by design or how they are done in.
Al-Dog
12-13-2006, 08:55 AM
I had just heard about this on the news this morning. So many victims in such a short period of time seem very unusual for this type of crime.
My thoughts where that it’s some sort of rage driving the killer and he’ll ether stop or get caught soon, or that he has been doing this for a while (perhaps in another location) and is escalating
tstone
12-13-2006, 08:57 AM
We've been covering it here at network as information comes in...
I've also heard him/her (although I doubt it's a her) being referred to as the Suffolk Strangler. As soon as I saw the news I thought of the Green River Killer.
Jakester
12-13-2006, 09:52 AM
I expect, and hope, that the public is not being told the whole story.
He's killing women so quickly that he's bound to make a mistake, but how many more will he kill before he does so?
neglet
12-13-2006, 10:02 AM
I think the "Ripper" association is by notoriety, not by design or how they are done in.
More likely because all his (known) victims have been prostitutes, as were Jack the Ripper's.
sickness
12-13-2006, 10:23 AM
Strangely enough, the Ripper comparison that I've heard has been to another (much)-lesser known prostitute killer in England in the 1970's. No one seems to want to bring up Jack.
Metuzalem
12-13-2006, 12:11 PM
You're thinking of the Yorkshire Ripper. I believe he holds the "record" with seventeen victims.
Trazalca
12-14-2006, 09:44 AM
Another article, with a bit more info.
Suffolk Strangler (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061214/wl_nm/britain_murders_dc)
rappites
12-14-2006, 02:09 PM
Dang, calm down there. I think we are all smart enough to know that real cop work is not like the t.v. shows. Television shows have way cooler equipment that helps them solve the crimes. (and that was sarcasam).
Space Tycoon
12-14-2006, 04:23 PM
Actually, Robert Pickton in Vancouver is currently on trial for the murder of 26 transsexual prostitutes over 20 years, and may indeed be responsible for the deaths of twice as many.
Robert Pickton Murders & Vancouvers Missing women (http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/robert_pickton/1.html)
They found human remains on his pig farm. :puke:
omicron
12-14-2006, 04:24 PM
I think I remember reading once that the best way to get rid of human remains was giving them to pigs. Guess the guy was smart.
sickness
12-14-2006, 04:40 PM
Actually, Robert Pickton in Vancouver is currently on trial for the murder of 26 transsexual prostitutes over 20 years, and may indeed be responsible for the deaths of twice as many.
Robert Pickton Murders & Vancouvers Missing women (http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/robert_pickton/1.html)
They found human remains on his pig farm. :puke:
That's pretty harsh using my old avatar in connection with that crap.
:romy: :Tongue: :D
Space Tycoon
12-14-2006, 05:32 PM
Well, I am not trying to make light of it, but... damn. Part of you has to think, what if?
Avoid eating pork products that come from BC for awhile.
You can settle down, Boki. Nobody is insinuating that the police don't do the best job they can. Unfortunately, it takes time to do detective work, which is not something England has right now at the rate this psycho is going. Look at the Green River Killer (http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/greenriver/index_1.html). They had evidence that led to Gary Ridgway back in 83 or 84, when he'd only killed 6 women, but because there was SO much to go through, he ended up slipping through the cracks until 2002 or 2003. I read a book written by a reporter about him in 91, and he was noted as one of the suspects. He went on to kill at least 48 women in total because the press was too involved, the prostitutes kept prostituting, and the detectives were overwhelmed with evidence, much of it worthless. In addition, back in the eighties, police departments didn't work together, so any information one had didn't get relayed to another, leading both groups to look for separate killers. Basically, the whole thing was a clusterfuck, and became a downright tragedy. Hopefully someone will see something and be able to give the police an idea of his identity.
sickness
12-15-2006, 10:05 AM
Didn't they also have a wealth of DNA evidence on GRK but it was the 80's when DNA testing was still developing and mostly inadmissible in court?
I don't remember. I know that they had so much information that they had volunteers working to sort out leads. Tell me when that ever took place before or after? It's no wonder it took so long to solve that case. Some homicide detectives are left digging for any sort of clue, but when you turn it around and overwhelm them with information, it becomes the same sort of situation. I know that they had flecks of paint on some of the bodies (later, I think), and witnesses that said they saw the missing women getting into his truck. This is all after the fact, though. Who knows how many mistaken witnesses and bad profiles and misleading clues the detectives and voluteers had to deal with in order to eventually get to the pertinent facts?
awakenangel
12-15-2006, 10:40 AM
the police are not going to spnd all that money and manpower to hunt for a pro killer. Society in closed doors are saying this is what they deserve for the kind of life they lead. So do not hold your breath on this one coming to ahead anytime soon. Unless he makes a mistake or falls over dead of natural causes.
sickness
12-15-2006, 10:45 AM
Society in closed doors are saying this is what they deserve for the kind of life they lead.
Speak for yourself.
Jakester
12-15-2006, 11:26 AM
So, do you think that prostitutes actually enjoy their profession? Do you think that all of them are drug addicted sluts who can't get enough sex or coke?
Sure, there are prostitutes who don't mind what they do -- and there are those who do enjoy it, but the bulk of them -- the kind that are being killed, are women who have been backed into a corner and have almost no hope. They see this as their only way of eeking out some sort of existence; and even this isn't much of a living -- living in squalid conditions, still worrying about if you're going to get paid, beat up, or killed. Lots of these women have children they are trying to support.
Yes, there are some who think as you have claimed, but this has also scared the general population. The police are paying the prostitutes to stay indoors. Do not doubt that they are dedicated and committed to catching this bastard.
Society in closed doors should have everything they care for stripped from them and be forced to live as these prostitutes do. I doubt most of them would last a fucking day.
:shakehead: I know it's true, but it doesn't make it any easier to read.
awakenangel
12-16-2006, 10:16 AM
Speak for yourself.
What I am writing is the truth and... you cannot handle the truth!
LOL:Laugh: I all ways wanted to write or say that.
Orcrist
12-17-2006, 04:32 AM
I think this man (the serial killer) is a fan of Jack the Ripper.
Perhaps he wants to make fun of people, mocking police and everybody, to cause panic, or even to get famous killing women.
You have one, here we have thousand of killers :Laugh:
Jack the Ripper didn't strangle his victims. He disemboweled them, so I doubt this guy's motive is to emulate him.
sickness
12-17-2006, 10:51 PM
What I am writing is the truth and... you cannot handle the truth!
LOL:Laugh: I all ways wanted to write or say that.
Goddamnit... if we were in a room together... grrrr.... I'm going to do us both a favor here and just say "welcome to ignore," fucktard.
Daltons Chin Dimple
12-18-2006, 01:17 AM
Man arrested in Suffolk :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/6189409.stm
Well, looks like we'll just have to wait and see. I'm interested what kind of car he drives, and what evidence they used to pick him up.
How the Dutch (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6178793.stm) protect their prostitutes.
Trazalca
12-18-2006, 09:52 AM
What a complete ass! :romy:
From IMDB.com-
Stone Stuns Comedy Audience with Serial Killer Joke
Hollywood director Oliver Stone shocked the audience at last night's British Comedy Awards in London by joking about the recent murders of five prostitutes. The Suffolk killings, thought to be the work of a serial killer, have dominated British headlines this week and Platoon movie-maker Stone's bad-taste gag was met with horror by the celebrity audience including Sacha Baron Cohen and Charlotte Church. On presenting the Best Comedy Film prize to Wallace And Gromit creator Nick Park, the American quipped, "It's great to be back in England. I feel like Jack The Ripper (prolific 19th century serial killer) days are back. Nothing ever changes here." Realizing the gag had bombed, Stone jeered, "You're a lovely crowd."
:romy:
So let me get this straight.
When you become a celeb, your level of conscience become so terribly
bankrupt, that you have to find humor and joy in being so obnoxiously
insensitive to the plight of others around you?
You know, it's bad enough that Americans get the bad rap about being
obnoxious, oafish and complete rubes about the world around them.
For Oliver to bring home that embarrassing point in such a public fashion
is enough to make me vomit. Some people just simply need to never
be given any allowance to leave this country.
Personally, I think he should be kept in a small forgettable town in
Nebraska where others can appreciate his brand of witless humor
to his black heart's content, tucked away and hidden forever from the
rest of the world. Utterly embarrassing. :Angry:
I find it funny that Sacha Baron Cohen was horrified.
What an asshat.
rappites
12-18-2006, 09:58 AM
Celebs think they are above the law in every area. Ethical law, the law it's self, . . .and that we should just excuse them for being out of touch with the real world.
DaForce
12-18-2006, 10:10 AM
I find it funny that Sacha Baron Cohen was horrified.
What an asshat.
Exactly what I was thinking.
Isn't this guy being sued by everyone in the U.S.?
sickness
12-18-2006, 10:17 AM
What Cohen did with Borat is not only not in the same ballpark as tantamount to Stone's remark, it's not even on the same planet as tantamount to Stone's remark.
EDIT: I apologize for the remark I just deleted. I regretted it within about 30 seconds of pressing the submit button.
Metuzalem
12-18-2006, 10:30 AM
Yeah exactly, what Borat did was expose OTHER peoples racial hatred and religious bigotry. You want to sue the guy because YOU said some racist things? Sure go ahead, that makes sense.
EDIT: With regard the guy they arrested today, I just hope he's not another guy looking for publicity a la the guy in the Jon Benet murder.
sickness
12-18-2006, 10:31 AM
Exactly. I don't see how that can possibly be compared to the bad taste of joking about murder victims.
It can't.
On topic...
Suffolk Police Arrest Second Man (http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/12/19/uk.suffolk/index.html)
Mouse
12-21-2006, 07:50 PM
I don't get it. What Oliver Stone said wasn't really a joke and not really offensive. I mean, who was he offending? The British? The serial killer? "Nothing ever changes here." What does that mean? America is no less violent. I don't see how anyone could be offended by this statement. "*gasp" He mentioned MURDER! At a COMEDY AWARDS show! Such bad taste!" Get over it. People go wonky and kill people. Happens everyday. The only thing that offends me is that the joke was completely devoid of a punchline.
Plus, what do you expect from a guy who shamelessly exploits a tragedy in which thousands of people died? That WTC was so over the top sensationalist it made me sick.
Natural Born Killers sucked too. Fuck that yeg.
Jakester
12-22-2006, 02:02 AM
Haven't seen WTC yet, but I had heard it was actually pretty good.
I really liked the satire of NBK.
Mouse
12-23-2006, 02:48 PM
Haven't seen WTC yet, but I had heard it was actually pretty good.
I really liked the satire of NBK.
Well, opinions are opinions. They can't be right or wrong. I kinda digressed about Oliver Stone. Point was, there isn't a lot that is offensive about what he said and people who were offended by it should get over themselves.
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