3:08 - Flashes Before Your Eyes - Desmond

[Queen Mae]

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From ABC:

A suspicious and determined Hurley enlists Charlie to help him wrangle the truth out of Desmond, who has been acting strangely ever since the implosion of the hatch. Guest starring are Sonya Walger as Penny Widmore, Alan Dale as Charles Widmore, Shishir Kurup as Donovan, Fionnula Flanagan as Ms. Hawking, Katie Doyle as receptionist, Jeremy Colvin as delivery man, Michael Titterton as bartender and David Cordell as Jimmy Lennon

[Adam54]

I think that might be my favorite episode ever.

They turned a corner back towards "amazing" last week, and to me this episode was really firing on all cylinders.

I...Christ that was good.

Gonna watch it again ASAP to fully absorb it all. Will check back in later.

[DarkJedi]

Agreed with Adam.

That was freaking awesome! The last words of the show......wow.

40 minutes in, I was like "They just said Claires gonna die!!"

Then, WHAM.

Desmond continues to be a great....wonderful character.

I mean, wow.

Oh shit on those previews for next week too. I can't talk about it here...but damn, those previews had me laughing.....This is already looking like a freaking sweet turnaround!

[chemikillgod]

Okay, I'm back in.

Season 2 was a whole bunch of bullshit to me and aside from the first scene of the first episode of season 3, it hasn't captivated me until this episode.

If they keep it up, I'm back on the fucking wagon.

[DarkJedi]

Feeling buzzed right now.

I went straight from watching this show and of course that crazy preview for next week.......right to "The Departed" for the first time.

It's been a great night of entertainment, I have to say that.

The show was awesome tonight. No doubt about it. :D

[Jakester]

Yeah, that episode was GREAT!
And, I think they planted the seeds for why everyone was on the plane -- because they were supposed to be. I can almost buy that, but what now still gets me is how The Others seems to be able to operate outside of the rules of the universe. Or maybe they understand what the Universe is trying to do and are helping it...I don't know, but this was definitely a great episode.

[fastcar]

Is it me or did Desmond in full on beard look like a younger slowhand?

I kept waiting for him to start singing.

"Would you know my name, if I say you in another life, brother?"

[Strider]

I agree with everyone. This was a quality episode. I'm glad we finally got to see a bit more of Desmond. He is a rather interesting fellow. :D

[Queen Mae]

Okay, I'm back in.

Season 2 was a whole bunch of bullshit to me and aside from the first scene of the first episode of season 3, it hasn't captivated me until this episode.

If they keep it up, I'm back on the fucking wagon.


Oh my god, where the f*ck have YOU been????

Eh, probably getting baked, I don't know why I asked.

(and oh yes, because I just realized that I've changed my name - it's carni)

[mckracken]

I thought the guitar scene between Charlie and Desmond was a riot!
"you're Charlie Pace!! I know you [Brother]!"
"yeah man... my name is on the box"
"no... I mean from the island with the button.. and its about to rain!"


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[Queen Mae]

I liked this episode better than last week's. It was nice to catch up with the rest of the cast - unfortunately we go back to the holy trinity next week.

I do not think that Desmond traveled back in time. I think he was unconscious and he dreamt everything that we saw in the flashback. There were far too many intrusions from the island for it to have been time travel - the painting of the bear and the hatch? It was a total dream.

The woman selling him the ring (the awesome Fionnula Flannigan) was either his unconscious or the island manifesting its "security system." The dream was Desmond's way of dealing with his guilt for leaving Penny. In the dream it was Fionnula (destiny) that controlled what happened. She told him he couldn't marry Penny because it would ultimately result in the end of the world. This allows Desmond to shirk any personal responsibility for the way his life has ended up. He can blame fate, instead of his own insecurity.

I wouldn't be surprised if he can see the future after what happened with the hatch. Desmond should be dead, so should Locke actually. Anyone that was even near that hatch should have died. I imagine that their body chemistry has changed now because of what they experienced.

He has seen that Charlie will die, but perhaps the island is playing a trick on him. If Fionnula was a manifestation of the island it could have been trying to convince him that he can't do anything to change the future or the present and that way the island, not the people on it, has control. Or maybe Charlie will die (but I really doubt they'd kill off the real-life boyfriend of Wonder-Woman Evangeline Lily), but we don't know how or when. Time moves so slowly on this show it could take two seasons before his prediction comes to pass.

[chemikillgod]

Oh my god, where the f*ck have YOU been????

Eh, probably getting baked, I don't know why I asked.

(and oh yes, because I just realized that I've changed my name - it's carni)

OT:

:) Didn't you see the random thread that Jakester started a while back when he recognized that I'd signed back up? Like I told him, I've always been around, just been too lazy to sign up. That, and I didn't realize you had to sign up twice, once for the site and then for the forums.

It has been a pretty long time, hasn't it? Mmmm.. smoking up regularly tends to take a backseat once you're starting to close in on the big 3-0. It's all coke and methed out hookers with missing teeth that are taking up my time. :p

[Jakester]

The lack of teeth can be a good thing.

[DarkJedi]

The holy trinity is back next week? Wonderful.............

Gawds, I hope Kate does NOT cry again.

If she does....or if the writers dedicate 59 minutes of the episode strictly to just these 3 characters again, I will be wishing for one of their deaths by the end of this year.

Shows like this one with Desmond reaffirms my faith that they know what their doing with the other characters while bungling just Kate and her boy toys.

[mckracken]

I think its just one of the three holy Trinity thats back next week, only a Jack flashback.
I think this season has focused more on Jack, Kate and Sawyer and Juliette and Ben and needs to shift back to Hurley and Locke. Because Locke finds the coolest stuff in the jungle.

Charlie, ehh...who cares?
Claire... ehhh.... who cares?

Jin and Sun... ehhh... who cares.

[Strider]

Jin and Sun... ehhh... who cares.

Me. I like Jin and Sun.

[neglet]

Me too. Especially when Jin runs around without his shirt on. :D We need to get back to Sayid, too.

Still, I really liked this episode--Desmond is a great character, and his journey seems to be giving us the most direct answers. Plus the revelation that he's saved Charlie twice already ... that's creating some wonderful tension, knowing that Charlie could bite it any time now. It's too bad we couldn't get an update on Penelope at the same time we got Desmond's back story, because it seems like her monitoring of the island's magnetism will play a big part in future events. Is it even possible that their fate is actually to be together, not apart, and thus she will rescue him from the island despite his efforts?

Mmmm, good questions to consider. I hope we continue to get some more answers that raise good questions.

[Mobile Vulgus]

Did anyone notice the middle names that showed up in the last episode? Desmond DAVID HUME. As in the philosopher David Hume. I read him in college. And Charlie's middle name is Hieronymous.

Hey, you are right. Add the ex-husband of Juliet. His name was Edmund Burke, a Conservative English philosopher from the mid to late 1700s.

[Metuzalem]

Second best episode ever. The best one will be when Charlie actually buys the farm :lol:
Yeah, in all seriousness, even though there was too much flashbackage it was easily one of the best episodes, it was one of the ones that had me screaming at the TV "ME WANT NEXT ONE NOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!"
I do also like that it appears that the events on the main Island are happening at the same time as the Jack/Kate/Sawyer escapade and NOT happening in the order we are seeing it. Like 3 weeks have passed for us since Eko died but it's only "just" happened on the main island if you catch my drift.

I still say Desmond is a T-800 though.

[Jakester]

At this point, aside from being cool little tidbits, I don't think the philosopher names have any real significance. They might, but if they do, I don't think we'll find out until the endgame.

[Tricksterson]

They've been playing that game since Season 1. John Locke and Rousseau.

And Hieronymous Bosch wasn't a philospher but a painter.

[neglet]

I'm sorry, I hear all these philosophers' names listed and this is what comes to mind:

Immanuel Kant was a real pissant
Who was very rarely stable.

Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar
Who could think you under the table.

David Hume could out-consume
Schopenhauer and Hegel

And Wittgenstein was a beery swine
Who was just as schloshed as Schlegel.

There's nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach ya
'Bout the raising of the wrist.
Socrates, himself, was permanently pissed.

John Stuart Mill, of his own free will,
On half a pint of shandy was particularly ill.

Plato, they say, could stick it away--
Half a crate of whisky every day.

Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle.
Hobbes was fond of his dram,

And René Descartes was a drunken fart.
'I drink, therefore I am.'

Yes, Socrates, himself, is particularly missed,
A lovely little thinker,
But a bugger when he's pissed.

[Queen Mae]

Heidegger is my favorite philosopher - well, Heidegger & Ricouer. I *heart* them both, big-time.

/OT

Unfortunately, I agree that the use of philosphers' names aren't going to amount to anything in the long term. I keep looking for characteristics of the philosophers to show up on the island, but so far there's really not much to go on.

[alaristhered]

I read David Hume in college, but don't remember enough of his philosophy to notice any similarity to Desmond's character. And I've never read John Locke.

[Metuzalem]

I'm sorry, I hear all these philosophers' names listed and this is what comes to mind:

Immanuel Kant was a real pissant
Who was very rarely stable.

Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar
Who could think you under the table.

David Hume could out-consume
Schopenhauer and Hegel

And Wittgenstein was a beery swine
Who was just as schloshed as Schlegel.

There's nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach ya
'Bout the raising of the wrist.
Socrates, himself, was permanently pissed.

John Stuart Mill, of his own free will,
On half a pint of shandy was particularly ill.

Plato, they say, could stick it away--
Half a crate of whisky every day.

Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle.
Hobbes was fond of his dram,

And René Descartes was a drunken fart.
'I drink, therefore I am.'

Yes, Socrates, himself, is particularly missed,
A lovely little thinker,
But a bugger when he's pissed.

*Adopts Aussie accent*

Why is American beer like making love in a canoe?

















Because it's fucking close to water. :lol:

[sickness]

*Adopts Aussie accent*

Why is American beer like making love in a canoe?

















Because it's fucking close to water. :lol:
Bah! You can get beers that are 10-15% alcohol here in the States as long as you're not in Utah, Oklahoma or a handful of other states which is why we use that joke about those states here.

[Metuzalem]

Man you never seen Monty Python Live at the Hollywood Bowl? That joke is part of their Australian Philosphers sketch. It's a comedy classic I tells ya :D