2:14 "One of Them"

[omicron]

Rousseau leads Sayid to a captive who may be one of the "Others," and Sawyer forces Hurley to help him track down an elusive island creature.

From TVGuide.com
Rousseau leads Sayid to a mysterious captive in the jungle. Is he one of the Others? Meanwhile, Sawyer discovers that Hurley has done something potentially devastating, and uses the information to blackmail Hurley into helping him track an elusive island creature.

[fastcar]

So, Sayid runs into Kate's fake dad in Iraq. This guy really was one of the Others and now my wife hates Sawyer for his froggy squishing.

Who caught the glyphs and know what they mean?

[kah]

That guy is one of the Others for the simple rule of lying. Remember when you were a teenager and you ditched work/school? You could tell a story an hour long about why you couldn't make it in, full of twists and turns like a spy novel. If the guy really did bury his wife, that would be the biggest impact on his memory. You would never forget one detail of something so traumatic. Never. He is such a lying bastard.

[Bokchoi Cowboy]

The glyphs had a little bit of an Egyptian Heiroglyphics look to them. And there was also that spooling-up whine in the background that went away when Locke entered the code. So there is some sort of machinery that was coming online. Perhaps what is behind the wall/hatch that the heavy magnetic field comes from?

[kah]

Oh, and I was surprised to learn that Sayid was a torturer for the US army. I was surprised that he wasn't one until the US soldiers forced him to become one. However, it does make sense. The Geneva Convention prohibits Americans from committing torture, but not Iraqis from torturing Iraqis.

[omicron]

5 symbols, first 3 are red on black, last 2 are black on red.

First one looked sort of like a bobbypin, couldn't make out the second, third looked like a sign for fire(square with an oval on top), fourth was a bird shape, very egyptian looking, and fifth was some sort of inverted, slightly angled 'Y'.

I am sure there will be a screencap online somewhere. :) And didn't it seem like the countdown was going alot faster than realtime? I was surprised they actually let the clock run down. Sure was alot of noise too, and it sounded like it was ramping up for something big.

My thoughts:
Did the Iraqi scenes look really fake? Maybe I am just used to seeing the lush colors of Hawaii, but the Iraq scenes looked too fake. Still it was cool to see.

I read somewhere the guy who was running things(who I assume was CIA) was Kate's dad or something? Boy he manipulated Sayid though. It was cool what he said at the end too. "Now, if you need information in the future, you'll know how to get it." Foreshadowing, anyone? :)

My thoughts on Henry Gale: A balloon trip? Right.....And boy did he remind me of an Other in the last shot of him.

Omi

[KingVoyeur]

Too bad that frog wasn't poisonous....

Didn't it seem that towards the end of the beating Sayid was giving the man that he wasn't beating him for lying, but cause he was upset about something else?

Great, now we've got Hieroglyphs to deal with to. How many friggin codes are they gonna throw at us? Figures we don't get a new ep. next week.

[Tricksterson]

The symbols were definitely Egyptian hieroglyphs. The first was a shepard's staff (aka crook), the second I didn't make out. The third looked like a flame, the fourth was a bird, probably a hawk and the fifth could have been a dart, spear or arrow.
Kate's dad wasn't the CIA guy, he was the older of the two soldier's who captured Sayid and Tariq.
I think Sayid was beating up the maybeOther because he lost it over Shannon. When he was yelling at him about his wife's grave he was really yelling at himself for failing to save Shannon.
Theory on the tree frog: It represented Sawyer's concience, the small nagging voice that won't let you sleep or leave you alone. I think his crushing it represents a definite turn to the Dark Side.

[fastcar]

What if Ethan and Henry and Goodwin are not Others?

Remember when they were talking to, "Zeke?" They said something about Ethan being one of their spies and Zeke said something like, "Interesting."


Maybe Ethan Rom, Henry Gale, and Goodwin are with the Hanso Foundation.

[CaptPike]

All I have to say is.....Dharma Initiative ranch dressing.....mmmmmm.. Great shelf life, too!

What the heck was "Babar" dipping into it? Looked like an orange. Man, I could drink ranch dressing...but I digress.

[Queen Mae]

Migraine & computer troubles preventing me from making a decent comment. I'll comment after I teach my yoga class tonight.

My initial response is: "eh."

[alaristhered]

I'm having a similar reaction. I need to watch this one again. Luckily, it's on TiVo. I should have time Friday night and will post something intelligible after that.

[fastcar]

Just in case anybody wants something to research....

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[KingVoyeur]

Just in case anybody wants something to research....

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Here's what we got so far..

The first symbol stands for "S"

The next visible symbol stands for prosperity.

The Third symbol is "ah" pronounced like the a in father.

Can't find the fourth symbol.

Word Order In Egyptian
© Copyright 1997, Jim Loy

In Egyptian, the standard word order is:

verb subject object adverb

The adverb may be a prepositional phrase (a preposition with its object) as "to my house". A missing (implied) verb is usually "is". "Is" is normally written only when it is to be emphasized, or for clarification.
Independent pronouns (personal pronouns, like "you", which are emphasized), and non-enclitic particles (words like "lo" or "behold") appear before the verb.
Adjectives follow their nouns, except for "other, another" (or the feminine version ), which precedes its noun.
Verbs and prepositions are important clues to where a sentence begins and ends.

I found a hieroglyph online that looks almost identical to that sequence which means "to make healthy" especially if that second symbol is a small bird, different than the other one. Of course, that could probably be interpreted as "purify", and with what sounds like a machine revving up when those symbols appear, could be some kind of doomsday device...

[Cncrman]

I knew the name of the "maybeOther" sounded way too familiar....

Henry Gale, a man who claims to have come to the island in a hot air balloon, shares his name with Uncle Henry Gale from the Wizard of Oz series of books, in which Gale is Dorothy's uncle, who flies away from Kansas to Oz in a balloon.

(thank you Wikipedia)

[KingVoyeur]

I found a hieroglyph online that looks almost identical to that sequence which means "to make healthy" especially if that second symbol is a small bird, different than the other one. Of course, that could probably be interpreted as "purify", and with what sounds like a machine revving up when those symbols appear, could be some kind of doomsday device...

Ok I'm just gonna hypothesize a little here, probably way off track though.

If I'm right about the whole "purify, doomsday device" thing, then that could mean that the Others created it to wipe out humanity, except for the people on the island, then they would be the ones to repopulate the earth, and the survivors are there because they were chosen by the Others to be part of that repopulation. Am I getting too sci-fi-ish?

[Jakester]

The general concensus amongst the various Lostie boards is that it means "cause to die." They all may be nutjobs, though

[neglet]

I liked this episode. We got an interesting backstory on Sayid. (Also interesting: Sayid washing himself shirtless at beginning of episode! Yummmy!) We got a hint of what might happen if the button is not pushed. We got Jack and Locke in conflict, and Charlie perhaps allying himself with Sayid as well as Sawyer. Very cool developments.

We also got a squished tree frog. Very sad. If Hurley coats it with chocolate, it will no longer be "crunchy frog." :(

[Jakester]

It's just restin'.

[Queen Mae]

Like last week, this backstory didn't really reveal anything new about the focus character. I don't need every backstory to be "OMFGWTF!!!!1111!!!!" Plus, if they plan on doing this backstory thing for the next however-many-seasons they have to drag the drama out a bit.

Sawyer: Your nicknames are annoying. I realize the treefrog was annoying... but it's the tropics!!! There are hundreds of other treefrogs around you!!! You are annoying... so annoying to me that I don't even bat an eye when you are shirtless. Take Kate and go away! Please!

Hurley: I wanted to stand up and cheer when he put Sawyer in his place about the manipulation & name-calling.

Henry Gale: It's a good thing that it wasn't one of the American women who found him - they would have known he was lying from the beginning. Every girl knows Dorothy's last name. The hot air balloon was just sloopy lying too - Henry Gale & a hot air balloon??? That's just too easy. Plus, if he had been on the island for 4 months he would have heard the plane crash. It's incredibly illogical to think that he and his wife wouldn't have gone to investigate the crash and check for survivors.

I have no idea why Danielle is sexy, but she is.

Then again, I have no idea why Locke is sexy, but he is.

I loved the end with Charlie & Sayid. Not only do the Losties forget that Charlie is a recovering addict, and thus needs help & sympathy, but they also forget that he DIED. He was kidnapped, beaten, and DEAD. It took Jack several minutes to bring him back to life. What's more, a lot of the viewers forget this too. I'm glad someone remembers that Charlie has solid reasons for what he does - his actions still may be wrong, but they make sense. He has a reason to be wounded, unlike Jack who's just on his obnoxious high-horse.

[Intelligent_Design]

Plus, if he had been on the island for 4 months he would have heard the plane crash. It's incredibly illogical to think that he and his wife wouldn't have gone to investigate the crash and check for survivors.



I don't know about hearing the plane crash Gale said he was walking for 2 days through jungle so he would have to be at least 10 miles away and he lived in a cave. That long with the Jungle muffling the expolsion it could be plausible he couldn't have heard plane crash.

[alaristhered]

I agree. That part of it didn't bother me. I think it is possible that the plane crash would not be heard in every area of the island.

[Intelligent_Design]

I agree. That part of it didn't bother me. I think it is possible that the plane crash would not be heard in every area of the island.


Desmond never heard the plane crash either and he was closer. My question is how were the others able to get to the scene so fast and infiltrate after the plane crashed. Also I think Eko would have been a better Inquisitor of this guy. He would have broke down his lies real quick without beating his ass.

[Jakester]

Remember that the producers said that the plane crashed for a specific reason that was not an accident. I think the Others caused it and were therefore ready for it when it came down.

[Adam54]

Remember that the producers said that the plane crashed for a specific reason that was not an accident. I think the Others caused it and were therefore ready for it when it came down.

That's something we're supposed to learn yet this season, correct? (why the plane went down?)

[Queen Mae]

If the writers want us to believe that the plane crashed and no one heard it then I fault them for the inaccuracy. A few weeks ago a house exploded one town away from where I was - it was about 8 miles away. I was teaching yoga at the time and we not only heard it, but we felt the explosion. The entire building shook from something that happened miles and miles away.

[alaristhered]

But on Lost, the explosion happened in the air. I agree, if the plane exploded on the island, everyone would have felt it and/or heard it. But this was debris crashing down.

[alaristhered]

Cinescape's review of this episode:

If only Sayid had the same cultural heritage as his American companions, he might have noticed that Henry Gale travelling from a distant land via hot air balloon had a little more in common with L. Frank Baum than English millionaire Richard Branson. After what I've often criticized as a shaky second season, LOST has started a series of home runs here in the heart of the sophomore run. "The Long Con" and "One of Them" show what the creators are capable of accomplishing when they're not worried about stringing the viewers along with endless unsolved riddles. Sure, we don't know the nature of Henry's mission to this side of the island, but the story was structured in such a way as to make his presence a fulcrum upon which to lever Sayid's tale. It's a subtle distinction, but it is everything when it comes to producing great episodes of such a delicately balanced series.
When Sayid first turned his eyes toward Shannon, it seemed to undermine his devotion to Nadia. Here was a revolutionary woman who had won his heart and turned him against his people in the hopes of winning her love. Then, as if a network executive desired more sex in the series, the noble Sayid suddenly fell for the vacuous Shannon. Though I still consider the plot twist a serious misstep that robs Sayid of the richness the writers initially crafted for him, his interrogation of Henry finally turned his love of Shannon into something useful. If the entire arc was simply to set-up his impassioned inquisition, then it was worthwhile.

While Naveen Andrews flexes his Thespic muscles, the episode offers up one of the best arrays of guest stars seen thus far on a series that attracts quality talent. The always dependable Mira Furlan is back for a too brief turn as Danielle Rousseau. Thankfully, her return engagement will continue into March when the next episode airs. The thoughtful mention that our cast are "Others" as far as she is concerned provides a dash of insight into the still elusive character. Clancy Brown, last featured as the corrupt preacher Justin Crowe in HBO's short-lived CARNIV€LE offers an atypical perspective on the US forces that invaded Iraq during the first Gulf War. Here we have a businessman turning an enemy soldier into a torturer and tossing him a grand in greenbacks for his trouble. Brown's performance is restrained, but effective. Lindsey Ginter's Sergeant Austen keeps alive the six degrees of separation that remains an ever more apparent ingredient in the show's make-up, but the episode's most interesting visitor has got to be Michael Emerson as Henry Gale. Emerson's made a career on TV of playing sociopaths. From serial decapitator William Hinks on THE PRACTICETHE INSIDE, Emerson has made his mark as a killer. Could the producers of LOST be using the actor's baggage to mislead a savvy audience? It's always possible, but time will have to tell.

With a brief hiatus before the next original episode, the intense finale of "One of Them" will doubtless linger in the minds of those who ponder the show's myriad mysteries. Me--I'm wondering about Hurley's stolen food--there was something very Village-like about the Dharma Initiative labelling…

[Intelligent_Design]

If the writers want us to believe that the plane crashed and no one heard it then I fault them for the inaccuracy. A few weeks ago a house exploded one town away from where I was - it was about 8 miles away. I was teaching yoga at the time and we not only heard it, but we felt the explosion. The entire building shook from something that happened miles and miles away.



Well the castaways not at the scene also didn't hear Artz explode either.......Wait a damned second... Yoga instructor? Wow so you are intelligent and bendy? I really don’t know what to say about that? :)

[Queen Mae]

Yeah, but Artz was a person - not tons of metal.

And yes - I am an intelligent and bendy mental ninja!

Edited because words like "an" are an important part of sentences.

[southpaw]

I had something to post, but for some reason I can't remember what it was.................

[Jakester]

It's fun to tie her into a pretzel and have her scream for hours as she tries to disentangle herself.

And despite what you may say, sis, I still don't think that Gumby is the man for you.

[Bokchoi Cowboy]

And despite what you may say, sis, I still don't think that Gumby is the man for you.




Thats only because you want to save Gumby for yourself, you bastard.




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I don't think your sis would want tainted meat anyway....

[Queen Mae]

hey hey, no Jakester porn in my forum!!!

Damn it, I'll have to add that to the Rules!

[Bokchoi Cowboy]

hey hey, no Jakester porn in my forum!!!

Damn it, I'll have to add that to the Rules!


That should be in the rules for ALL forums....especially The Lounge, let alone here.


I could be persuaded to not post something of that nature again.....shall we talk terms?


Remember, it could have been worse. A lot worse....


I seem to remember how you responded to something I posted with dear old Jakester in it:


"My Eyes! My Eyes! I'm BLIND!"

[DarkJedi]

LOL Good point, butthead.

I'll put it in the rules.

[alaristhered]

You know, I've been thinking. Dangerous. :-) It doesn't bother me that Gale didn't hear the plane crash. It DOES bother me, now that we're discussing the episode, that Sayid didn't ASK him if he heard the plane crash.

Has anyone tried to rearrange the letters in Henry Gale to come up with anything significant? I haven't been able to come up with anything. Certainly not as easy as Ethan Rom.

[Queen Mae]

Has anyone tried to rearrange the letters in Henry Gale to come up with anything significant? I haven't been able to come up with anything. Certainly not as easy as Ethan Rom.


Argyle Hen?


:D

[KingVoyeur]

Argyle Hen?


:D

Hang Leery?

[Jakester]

I've heard that name before. After being on that island and meeting Sayid, I bet he thinks there's no place like home.

[fastcar]

Watch tonight's reairing of the reairing of the two hour pilot and you'll see that there was an explosion of the metal kind on the island.

Red shirt 1 gets sucked into the improbable spinning engine turbine, causing it to explode and throwing Hurley forward, his long locks flying, like he was head banging at a Krokus concert.

[Queen Mae]

Right. Plus, that portion of the plane landed on the island - something landing with that kind of force would make a significant sound. Then again, something landing with that kind of force would have killed all of it's passengers.